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    Question Will one ever regret going his own way?


    I am a 22 year old dude who decided to go his own way since 2016. The philosophy clicked with me, so I decided to not get married, which means I won't have kids, too.

    I spend my time lurking imageboards like 4chan or websites like Reddit. On there, everybody is posting with the assumption that having a girlfriend is the sole decider of how good someone's life is.

    Their insecurities, shaming, lifestyle habits and every minute of their waking hours revolve around maximizing the chances they get a gf/maintaining a relationship with one.

    When I try to discuss MGTOW on these spaces, users would reply to me with stuff like the image above and tell me how I am going to be a depressed fat virgin loser if I don't immediately wife up any girl I immediately come across. Oh no, he dare me go my own way? I have to be confident bro and cold-approach every female on the planet!!11

    I don't understand how that is the case. In my opinion, the lack of wife/gf is inconsequential to overall life enjoyment. I don't need a woman in order to have a functional life. I live and pursue my goals independently of whether a woman is going to be there or not. My philosophy is that I was born without my consent, so I am forced to live. And in the period of time I live, I will seek to maximize my pleasure and minimize my suffering before I de-exist forever.

    In my opinion, this cashier's problem is not lack of sex or female company but rather sloth. He should have pursued a trade or a career that is fulfilling and makes good money and never relied on aid that could get unplugged randomly as it did for him. Taking care of my hygiene, appearance and entertainment needs along the way as well as fucking the occasional escort if you want. Why the fuck deprive yourself of life just because you couldn't (or didn't want to) get a wife/gf?

    If you came across this cashier in your life, what would you tell him?
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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    I'd point out to him that he seems aware of what inaction has caused, so now that he is aware of that, what action is he now taking? Never too late to improve your situation. Ray Kroc started his involvement with McDonalds when he was in his late 50s. A journey of a thousand miles starts with a first step, etc. What night classes could he take? Getting involved increases confidence and broadens perspectives. I'd tell him that he would like that. I'd make starting on something sound quite doable, which it is.
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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    I think the lack of achievement issue and the no wife / no gf issue are totally separate.

    If there's one bright spot in that cashier's situation, it's that he didn't get married, become a father, then get divorced. If he had, he might be in the same situation he is now.

    I wouldn't know what to say to someone like that. Probably nothing would help. He might not even reveal the entire story, like maybe something terrible happened to him as a kid and it crippled him psychologically for life. Anyway, at 54, things are cemented in pretty solid. Even if someone offered him training and a manager's job so he had a career path, who's to say he'd accept? I know a lot of people stuck in ruts, but they've been there so long that it's become their norm, and so climbing out of those ruts would put them in uncomfortably unfamiliar territory.

    Sounds like the guy's a poster boy for Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb." Lyrics here:

    https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pink...tablynumb.html

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTseTg48568

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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    I havenít regretted it yet. But I know a ton of divorced guys who regretted it.

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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    Short Answer:

    Periodic regret probably. Temptation to return to the plantation from time to time? Probably.

    But will always snap out of it quickly and return to the MGTOW lifestyle.

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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4lyfeman View Post
    If you came across this cashier in your life, what would you tell him?
    I would tell him to take Vitamin D and get a little exercise.

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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    Only MGTOW regret I have is the need for MGTOW. That need is very real today. Things have changed so much since I was as young as you. I played with a bunch of tits, ass, and pussy back then. Never a problem. Today there is no way I could advise a young man to get near these modern women. That's real sad to me.

    I would not say a thing to the cashier in the OP. Years back I tried to help guys out with advice. Fruitless endeavor. I finally realized there are just all kinds of people in the world. It's not for me to try to change them.
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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4lyfeman View Post
    If you came across this cashier in your life, what would you tell him?
    I would point out to him that he has, inadvertently, dodged a huge bullet that a shit ton of men have not dodged. I would tell him to use this knowledge to get his act together and start enjoying the peace and serenity in his life that he has taken for granted all those years.

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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    I've never regretted going MGTOW. What I have regretted is that society has made it necessary. It was once possible to get a decent deal in marriage, but feminism has ruined that. Feminism has taught women to hate men. Then they wonder why men don't want to marry women who hate us.

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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    Why are people so afraid of regret? What Ive noticed is a lot of other men are the one's trying to get you to change your mind. Yet I never spend any time trying to convince men in relationships to leave them behind. I think when you've gone your own way, are relaxed, at peace, happy and fit, this makes them question their own decisions. The reason stems from them thinking they had no real choice. The man in that screen shot, his problems stem from poor mindset, lack of discipline and probably a poor diet.
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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    When you're conscious of your decision and have considered all that it entails how could there be a regret? The man in OP was never a MGTOW. When you go your own way your inaction is outward, eschewing every obligation and expectation of society, however, your action toward self must become robust. That man lacks both which is a tragedy in itself.
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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    Well, the simple fact is, that ALL life paths come with regrets. They just do. Regardless of what women believe, you can't have it both (or three, or sixteen) ways. Due to a combination of child abuse, autism and childhood bipolar disorder, I came at a young age to firmly believe "Life is shit, so you might as well enjoy yourself." This mania (for truly it was) substituted as courage, for me. I had no backbone, I was a beaten-down broken man at age 14... But I was pretty. I won the genetic lottery when it comes to my body. So girls liked me. And I hated boys and men, because all my friends were girls. Truth is, they were trying to get in my pants, but I had no awareness of that at the time. And I was wholly suicidal, for roughly 25 years. I was smart enough to stay away from drugs and crime, but I always considered suicide my trump card. The ultimate exit-strategy. I was literally one of those children who wakes up every day and finds a reason NOT to kill themselves, for the vast majority of my life.

    Since taking the Redpill... I'm no longer like that. It saved my life, somehow...

    Compared to the man mentioned in the original post, I am a god. But we ended up in the same place, after all these years. I have no children... I work a manual labor job for low wages. I live in a camper. And alot of my current (and seemingly sad) situation is due to my involvement with women. There is no "silver bullet" for life's permutations. This guy in the OP is pathetic, to be sure, and I know a guy like him. A guy who threw away his life waiting for an imaginary terminal illness to kill him, and it never did. I see him in the store sometimes, and he looks quite angry.

    Thing is, though... That 54 is NOT too late to start living and have some fun. My father became Chad Thundercock in his 50s, after a failed marriage. He nailed more sluts than a jack-hammer, all in his 50's... because he stepped out there and chose too. Granted, that was 25 years ago, and the game has changed quite a bit, but... This guy still has some potential for fun, is what I'm saying. I would tell him that. Not that I expect it would help, because humanity is basically hopeless at this point. But I would tell him that.

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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4lyfeman View Post

    I am a 22 year old dude who decided to go his own way since 2016. The philosophy clicked with me, so I decided to not get married, which means I won't have kids, too.

    I spend my time lurking imageboards like 4chan or websites like Reddit. On there, everybody is posting with the assumption that having a girlfriend is the sole decider of how good someone's life is.

    Their insecurities, shaming, lifestyle habits and every minute of their waking hours revolve around maximizing the chances they get a gf/maintaining a relationship with one.

    When I try to discuss MGTOW on these spaces, users would reply to me with stuff like the image above and tell me how I am going to be a depressed fat virgin loser if I don't immediately wife up any girl I immediately come across. Oh no, he dare me go my own way? I have to be confident bro and cold-approach every female on the planet!!11

    I don't understand how that is the case. In my opinion, the lack of wife/gf is inconsequential to overall life enjoyment. I don't need a woman in order to have a functional life. I live and pursue my goals independently of whether a woman is going to be there or not. My philosophy is that I was born without my consent, so I am forced to live. And in the period of time I live, I will seek to maximize my pleasure and minimize my suffering before I de-exist forever.

    In my opinion, this cashier's problem is not lack of sex or female company but rather sloth. He should have pursued a trade or a career that is fulfilling and makes good money and never relied on aid that could get unplugged randomly as it did for him. Taking care of my hygiene, appearance and entertainment needs along the way as well as fucking the occasional escort if you want. Why the fuck deprive yourself of life just because you couldn't (or didn't want to) get a wife/gf?

    If you came across this cashier in your life, what would you tell him?
    Let's assume the exchange in that screen shot up there actually happened.

    I mean, already you're well nigh into Fantasy Land. But fuggit, let's just assume it's true and that's exactly how the conversation went down. In other words, let's totally ignore the likelihood that either a simp or a feminist concocted some bullshit story to scare a few men back onto the reservation.

    You need to know that there's a type of person who CAN'T be alone. Ever. I assume you're familiar with suicide rates among divorced men? Well, I sometimes wonder if even we are overlooking the possibility that those suicide rates might be partly due to loneliness. A man who can't stand being alone finds himself utterly isolated from the one person he thought he could trust for the rest of his life.

    When people talk about the "virtues" of marriage, one thing they constantly bring up is companionship. "You're never alone!"

    Assuming that cashier exists anywhere outside of Fantasy Land, that's my guess. He hates being alone. But being alone is the lesser evil compared to being surrounded by families.

    Me, I rather enjoy solitude. It gives me time to think or to relax or whatever. I understand what the word "lonely" means. But I have literally never experienced it.

    Something else to keep in mind is that RP and BP are choices. You choose one or you choose the other. The thirsty guys who can't simp hard enough for women are largely BP's. They made their choice. In 2022, it's basically impossible for a man to spend any kind of recreational time online without having tumbled onto at least a few RP talking points. IMPOSSIBLE.

    So, for these men to continue chasing pussy like it's the cure to cancer or something, remember that they're choosing to do that. They know (broadly) what we believe. But they're still prioritizing women over everything else anyway. Despite the fact that it has never worked for them. Despite the fact that it never brings them fulfillment. Despite the fact that they know an alternative exists.

    These people are BP'ed. And their condition is most likely permanent.

    In spite of what feminists want to believe, you CAN'T have it all. If you choose one kind of life then logically you can't choose something else at the same time. Every life choice you make includes advantages and disadvantages. Old age is all about making peace with the choices you made in life that led you to where you are. That's the entire point of it.

    And what I can say is that while I have made some idiotic choices (like getting married), in the end things went my way, I learned, I adapted and I overcame. Living my life this way means I couldn't live my life other ways. But I'm content with how things have worked out and where they seem to be going.

    Feminists and simps will never be able to say the same thing.

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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    Quote Originally Posted by OwenWentFullMGTOW View Post
    They know (broadly) what we believe. But they're still prioritizing women over everything else anyway.
    Yes. They know. That's why I say that having red pill knowledge does not give a man accuracy to say he is red pill, because it's what he does with that knowledge is what will define if he is MGTOW.
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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    No, I'm better off not putting up with the feminine bull$#it. As my Company Commander in Navy Boot Camp once said, "I don't need a 'long-haired mess cook'."

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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    This morning, yet once again, I awoke to epiphany. My life could have easily been destroyed by women and I could have easily come to represent the guy in this story. The fuck-crazy hormones of my youth blinded me to things like baby trapping and financial exploitation, yet such a tragedy never took place. My parents were incapable of managing their own lives, much less the lives of their children, so as a young man, I was alone, helpless and broken. I joined the service only because I literally had no place else to go, but even then, there was no war to claim my life. Up until age 26, I failed at everything miserably, yet managed to escape relatively unscathed.

    The thing that saved me was a) the opportunity to go to college, b) the life experience to recognize that I needed to chose my degree field very wisely, c) the recognition that I desperately needed to seize this precious opportunity and d) the motivation to excel. Upon graduation, I went from minimum wage to 110K in annual salary. It only got better from there. But then I made my greatest mistake of all. I gave a woman financial and legal power over my life through marriage. Surely, this time, I was doomed.

    All along the way, the temptations to fail were endless, yet somehow, I still managed to escape life destruction. The last great test was the scripted brutality of divorce. Divorce is meant to be extremely punishing on men that attempt escape, but once again, I managed to escape nearly every consequence still relatively in tact. Thanks to a clever hunch, I even won big in the divorce settlement.

    So now I'm truly awake. Now I can stand to see the world without the rose colored glasses. There are no illusions or enchantments to comfort me in my latter years - and thankfully I don't need them. I'm grateful for all I've learned and that the tests, though they came before the lessons, didnít ruin me. I've seen man after man destroyed through marriage and divorce. I know that a lot of married men hate me because I'm single and free and rather than explore that jealousy and their indentured servitude, ridicule me for being irresponsible and escaping the plantation to which they're eternally doomed to remain. For many such men, death is the only escape.

    I will always have a soft spot for men like the one described in this story. I came very, very close to becoming such a man. From a very young age, nearly everything we're taught is a lie. For this reason, only the lucky and determined survive. Women arenít sugar, spice or anything nice. Marriage, rather than being a blessing, was designed to be a carefully obfuscated curse, damning men naive enough to take part to a life a servitude to women and their state pimps/violence proxy. Shockingly, if one reads the historical jurisprudence on marriage and conscription, this rapidly becomes crystal clear. Men are exploited through relationships with women and their state husbandry as disposable ATMs, human sacrifices and human shields.

    Ever wonder why there are women's studies on college campuses, courses that teach women that men are responsible for all of women's problems, but if MRAs try to reach and teach college men, they're shouted down, fire-alarmed and cancelled? Women and their state pimps want to keep men blind, dumb and ripe for exploitation, hence the incredible value of MGTOW and hence the effort by women and their state violence proxy to ban and censor MGTOW. Women and their state violence proxy WANT men to walk blindly into their carefully obfuscated minefield.

    I once was blind, but now I see. Until it completely destroys your life, ignorance is sheer bliss.

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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    Just yesterday I was exposed to a woman's unhappiness aimed at her man for his inability to read her mind and tend to her self inflicted emotional wounds. (being a cunt)

    I've been feeding my friend red pills and congratulated him for leaving her to drown in her misery all by herself as we kept pressing forward on the work we were doing.

    The word is out, Mansplainer, we're the dispensers of truth and truth cuts both ways, in spite the consorted effort to dull the oncoming MGTOW blades!

    CHOP CHOP, BITCH!

    Segregation is a beautiful thing when it's chosen over psyche desegregation! I don't want to be a girl, nor do I want a women that believes she's equal and on the same footing as a man!

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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    If I were to try and be anything other than MGTOW I would be swimming against the current. Women as a population have become so obnoxious toward men that it takes more energy to try and get along with them than it takes to simply avoid them altogether. If any woman decides to start shit with you, you do not have the option to:
    -physically fight her
    -tell her off (ie.: "yell" at her even in a quiet voice)
    -ignore her
    -react in any way other than total submission

    Dealing with any woman today indicates you agree to the fact that she runs the conversation. Your only recourse is to walk away or not begin the interaction in the first place. The latter is the one I prefer these days. I didn't want it this way.

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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Just yesterday I was exposed to a woman's unhappiness aimed at her man for his inability to read her mind and tend to her self inflicted emotional wounds. (being a cunt)

    I've been feeding my friend red pills and congratulated him for leaving her to drown in her misery all by herself as we kept pressing forward on the work we were doing.

    The word is out, Mansplainer, we're the dispensers of truth and truth cuts both ways, in spite the consorted effort to dull the oncoming MGTOW blades!

    CHOP CHOP, BITCH!

    Segregation is a beautiful thing when it's chosen over psyche desegregation! I don't want to be a girl, nor do I want a women that believes she's equal and on the same footing as a man!

    Life's a cliff face we cling to, they don't listen to rational sound advice, they do the opposite and the negative, throw them off or be pulled off ourselves and suffer the fall!
    Back in 2010-2011, right when I needed it most, just as I began to navigate the minefield of divorce, MGTOW suddenly emerged and began to appear in people's online comments. Through seeking advice online regarding divorce, I saw references by MRAs to the strange MGTOW acronym and mindset. Some of the comments regarding MGTOW were positive, but many were negative and loaded with typical shaming/man up language. Shockingly, I even found women who supported the MGTOW mindset - the most memorable being GirlWritesWhat, aka Karen Straughan. So, I decided to take a peek and then BAM - my life was forever changed.

    I immediately recognized the knowledge and power to be had through the MGTOW mindset. Elam, Spetsnaz, Sandman and Straughan taught me more about real, actual, true life in a year than most men from the past could have possibly hoped to learn in 100 lifetimes. Then, I evolved and was finally able to 'grow up'. MGTOW knowledge allowed me to effortlessly, expertly and successfully navigate this mine ridden battlefield we call 'life'.

    I'm the luckiest man to have ever lived, mgtower. Of that there is no question.
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    Re: Will one ever regret going his own way?

    As Owen mentioned above, the cashier story may be fiction or at least matrix enhanced to promote the agenda of getting men into committed relationships early. But in any event, it does represent a certain type, and I have known men in their 50's still pining after women to be fulfilled. Often it seems an infantile fixation. They are really looking for a mother. If this cashier exists, he might've delayed adulthood for decades. He was dependent till a later age, then got booted out. Starting at the bottom rungs at a dollar store at age 50 isn't too appealing a situation. But getting a woman early wouldn't likely have changed this outcome. It could be a lot worse. He could've ended up in a bad job at 54 with an ex-wife to deal with and child support. I've known men stuck in this hell, and it's a lot deeper hole than being single working at a dollar store.

    For young men fearing future regret if they don't ask the cheerleader for a date, pair up, commit, get married, a great antidote is to look deeply at what really happens to men in later years who did what they are considering. And it's necessary to look deeply because many of them will lie about it. I believe marriage regret is nearly universal past about age 35. There may be men like the cashier regretting not asking the cheerleader for a date back in high school. But there are millions of others who look at the woman they are stuck with and look back thinking IF ONLY I hadn't asked for a date in the first place, I wouldn't be in this hell now. And many ruminate about how it would be with other women, regretting their choice. The cashier could improve his life starting today, while married men especially with children almost never get free without major damage.
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