Thread: Why Modern Movies Suck - They Hate Their Own Fans! Ghostbusters Feminist Remake etc

From Ghostbusters 2016 to Resident Evil to Rings of Power, it seems modern studios just can't stop antagonising their own fans. But is this down to simple incompetence, or is there something deeper going on? Join me as I break down the seedy world of Fan Baiting.
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It`s quite depressing that studios kept on choosing to go to war with their fanbases, doing fan-baiting, and telling them off on what they should like. At this point, I`m just glad that an increasing number of people noticed this issue more and more, and started raising awareness. Thankful to these channels that are both amusing and informative, I thought I had the wrong taste for entertainment until I found this community.

I make it a point to watch CD...and yes, I'll admit that it helps that I mostly agree with him on the sociopolitical aspect, but he really makes his points well. What have the studios done with our heroes and villains? What happened to the messages of perseverance and hard work? Why are the straight, white men in modern entertainment all either incompetent villains or buffoonish, comedy relief?

I have to wonder how a pitch meeting to investors for one if these offerings go, and if there's some representative who just wants to make something with a wide appeal who gets shut down because what he promotes isn't inclusive or empowering enough.

She-Hulk is apparently total garbage. I wouldn't know but it seems like the reception is negative. All female writing team, production, etc. or so they claim.
Victory for women? You had a shot at a big budget Marvel production and you fucked it up six ways from Sunday.

Writers must be getting hired for every qualification except whether they can actually write. Activist credentials or mindset preferred.
When the recession sinks it's teeth into the world, movies are going to be a luxury and streaming services are going to start bleeding customers because all the content they make is sub-par. I'm hoping this woke bullshit gets blown out when the money dries up.

In an effort to entertain, I'm going to show what I think a pitch meeting would look like between a writer and a potential investors' rep for one of these woke shows. I'm going to pick on "She-Hulk".


"Okay, please be seated and tell me about your idea," the investors' representative tells the writer, ushering her into his office. "Let's hear about the pilot episode."


"It's called 'She-Hulk, Attorney at Law'," she answers, as he walks around his desk to take his own seat.


"Hmmm, gender-swapped reboots haven't done all that well at the box office," he notes. "Why do you think one will do better on a streaming service?"


"Because it's not a gender-swapped remake," she informs him. "The protagonist, Jess, is Bruce Banner's cousin. Bruce Banner will be a supporting character."


"Okay, continuity," the rep nods. "I like it. Granted, the MCU is fast running out of steam but there's still enough spark there to generate some interest that a good show should be able to expand on. So, how does Jess become the She Hulk?"


"She's exposed to Bruce's blood."


"Okay, that's plausible within the MCU," the rep nods again. "But how does she get exposed to his blood?"


"They're in a car wreck and they're both injured," the writer explains.


"The Hulk can fit into a car?" The rep asks. "And a car wreck would actually draw blood from a being who shrugged off Ultron's best shots?"


"He was in human form," the writer clarifies. "He comes up with a way to revert to Bruce Banner's body when convenient."


"But, wasn't the whole point of his arc in Endgame that the Hulk was feeling used, only brought out when there was fighting to be done, so the two personalities merged? Why would the Hulk consent to being pushed aside again?"


"This isn't about the Hulk," the writer stresses. "It's about Jess becoming the She Hulk."


"Okay, let's set that one aside for the moment," the rep concedes. "So, Dr. Banner is pulling Jess out of a damaged car and some of his blood falls into an open wound?"


"Not quite," the writer corrects him. "Having a woman being anything less than heroic only fuels the patriarchy, so she's pulling him out."


"She must be a fairly husky girl," the rep notes. "Or at least have an athletic background."


"No, she's a petite attorney," the writer corrects him.


"But, even some female firefighters and soldiers have trouble carrying or dragging average-sized men," the rep complains. "How is an average-sized woman, who lives a fairly sedentary lifestyle, going to pull an adult man out of a damaged car?"


"Look, do you want to keep splitting hairs or get into the meat of this presentation?" The writer rolls her eyes.


"Okay, fine," the rep sighs. "She becomes a green monster when she's angry?"


"Not exactly," the writer tells him. "She becomes a very tall, yet shapely, female version of the Hulk. We can't have the female protagonist become unsightly, it would insinuate that a woman has to cast aside her femininity in order to be strong."


"So times of stress or danger cause her to change?" The rep tries to confirm.


"Yes," the writer answers. "She learns this when some creeps start hitting on her and won't take no for an answer. The original Hulk shows up, saves them from her, and takes her away to teach her about being a Hulk."


"Ah," the rep nods, now much happier. "Part of the classic hero's journey; the wise mentor showing up when the hero needs instruction."


"It's even better," the writer tells him. "It turns out, she doesn't need instruction! The whole key to controlling the transformation is to control your anger and fear. Because she's a woman, she's constantly dealing with the anger and the fear that the patriarchy subjects her to, so it turns out that she's inherently a better Hulk than the original."


"So, you're going to subject her to some degrading situations before the accident?" The rep asks. "Like having her as a mid-level attorney in her firm, when she's more competent than her male superiors, or having a less capable male coworker promoted over her?"


"No!" The writer shakes her head. "She's a brilliant attorney and well respected. She's surrounded by other women who are constantly complimenting her and men who she's clearly superior to. That way, the audience will come to know that she's just incredible. It would be demeaning to show her in a subservient role."


"So you're having her catcalled and mansplained to, in order to show how people disregard her because she's a woman?"


"Of course not!" The writer is getting angry. "There's no way that I'm ever going to show a woman being less than perfect, and submitting to being in a degrading situation. The only time she's even close to being victimized is when the creeps start hitting on her."


"So how is the audience supposed to make the connection that she's constantly scared and angry, because she's a woman, if they don't see it?" The rep is honestly confused.


"Because she'll tell them," the writer rolls her eyes. "If it's not specifically stated, the audience won't pick up on it. Dr. Banner will try to lecture her about controlling her temper and her fear, and she'll set him straight about how, as a woman, she's constantly doing this anyway."


"So she has a job with wealth, status and influence," the rep points out. "She has authority over men, yet she's somehow a victim of the patriarchy?"


"You can't understand this, because you're not a woman."


"Okay, so what about after her transformation?" He asks. "Do the two of them bond and does her mentor prove useful?"


"The original Hulk is there to show how superior she is," the writer explains. "Within minutes of screen time, we'll show that she's more composed, more mature and smarter than Banner; better in every way."


"Wait a minute," the rep protests. "In this universe, Dr. Banner had doctorates in Nuclear Physics and Biochemistry. He was also smart enough to work off the grid as a GP physician. Your lead character might be a knowledgeable and skilled attorney, but smarter than that? Most attorneys I know would flee in academic terror from a nested trig function...but a Nuclear Physicist would be able to solve one even when drunk."


"It's only the patriarchy that makes you believe that," she sneers at him. "The only reason you think that a nuclear physicist is smarter than an attorney is that nuclear physics is a STEM field, which is predominately male."


"So, what's the point of having the original Hulk in the movie, other than to helplessly inflict...hulkhood...onto her?"


"It gives the audience a baseline to compare to," she sighs in exasperation. "By easily out-performing him, it shows the audience that she's a better Hulk than the original one. By putting the men around her in their place, it shows that she's superior to them."


"So, your protagonist is not only a Mary-Sue, she's insufferable about it," the rep confirms. "She doesn't need to travel the hero's journey because she's inherently the best at everything and she goes out of her way to belittle one half of the population?"


"You only see it that way because you're blinded by your male privilege," she tells him. "This is a girl power show."


"But will it bring an audience?" The rep asks. "So far, I don't see it doing so."


"It doesn't matter!" She corrects him. "Profits are a tool of the patriarchy and if you don't fund this show, it only shows that you're trying to keep women under your control!"


"How is wanting a return on my clients' investment supporting the patriarchy?" He's more confused than ever. "You realize that some of my clients are women, don't you?"


"Profits are a tool of capitalism," she sneers back. "Which the patriarchy uses to suppress and exclude women and people of color."


"Are you going to be paid for your work on this project?" He asks her.


"Of course," she looks offended at the question. "It's only right that I be compensated for my efforts. However, until we evolve our society to pure socialism, where the state will compensate me for being a woman, I'm forced to degrade myself by making pitches to misogynists like you."


"We're getting a little far from the subject," he points out. "Based on the pitch you have made, I can't in good faith invest my clients' money in this project."


"That's sexist!" She yells. "Your denying funding from this project because the writers and protagonist are all women!"


"Of course not!" He growls back. "I'm refusing to risk my clients' money because your show has a privileged, insufferable protagonist that fans won't be able to relate to; and you're turning an established, popular character into a wrung for her to step on."


"Social media won't see it that way," she snarls back. "If I leave this office without the funding I need, all of the world is going to know that YOU are blocking the dreams and livelihood of a group of women who are trying to make a difference in the entertainment industry. I really doubt that your employer is going to care about your point of view when thousands, if not millions of demands for your firing light up your company's social media accounts. Either you give me the money I need for this project, or you're going to be looking for work, with a nasty label on you, within a week."

Thankfully, there are plenty of movies made before all of this started.

Speaking of which, it's probably a good idea to get your favorite older movies on disc. At the rate things are going, streaming services might eventually be pressed not to offer certain movies.

We all know the modern formula. Men = bad, Women = good; Men = weak, Women = strong; Men = villain, Women = hero

Same old bullshit. The next time some crying bitch on YouTube is complaining and asking where all the good men are, we can tell her to watch a few of her beloved feminist movies to remind herself that she is a “strong woman” (lol) and doesn’t need a man.

Can’t stand all the box ticking in modern movies

Speaking of that female Ghostbusters remake, there is a scene in the film where the big black woman decides to stage dive and the audience parts and she face plants. She then says "So is it a black thing or a female thing" ahh no, it's a you're too fucking fat thing!

The actress who played her went on a Twitter rage attacking people before the film was even released. The usual stuff, if you don't like the film you hate women etc.

I haven't seen the film but going on the trailer, the funniest person in it is Chris Hemsworth - not only a man but also not known as a comedian.

I was recently watching this show called Evil which started out good but ended up having Feminazism seep in it and where in this one episode, this Evil therapist tried to get this "incel" nerd guy to target this women prayer group. He gets someone to train him with a gun. The Incel nerd guy ends up being too confident and before going on his mass shooting, he keeps on posing with the guns and making bang motions and I kid you not, the gun goes off and kills him. That's the part I just stopped watching the show. It's again with them sneaking in the agenda pushing

I'm done with Marvel and DC especially

Both the M She U and D She U sucks

BTW Zack Snyder I can't stand his films even more. He comes off as a pretentious dumbass. The Snyder Cut was just boring ass trash especially with that small aspect ratio

Didn't watch She-Hulk and don't care to watch it. Looks cringe as hell and as anti men as the current MCU slate has been lol

The point is that movies are not just a kind of art (or at least it used to be), but they can spread new ideas. Of course the leftard elite will use it to spread their bullshit, and avoid movies that can be used to spread ideas like Mgtow ideas. That is their fear. A good movie could even be used as inspiration and motivation for new Mgtows.

Happily the current leftard elite in cinema is too incompetent even to use it to spread their own ideas. This is why they fail constantly, their "cinematic competences" suck as much as their ideology.

我能很明显地感受到文化创作越来越不自由了。

Originally Posted by Latinus

The point is that movies are not just a kind of art (or at least it used to be), but they can spread new ideas. Of course the leftard elite will use it to spread their bullshit, and avoid movies that can be used to spread ideas like Mgtow ideas. That is their fear. A good movie could even be used as inspiration and motivation for new Mgtows.

Happily the current leftard elite in cinema is too incompetent even to use it to spread their own ideas. This is why they fail constantly, their "cinematic competences" suck as much as their ideology.

The Marvel films (and comics in general for decades) are used to spread particularly refugee acceptance messages. Vampire films which tend to be aimed at women of late tend to spread the concept of a mate who is different, in Twilight of course we see that she has the more manly Werewolf as an orbiter/protector whilst the more feminine vampire is the alpha she fucks.

The one most interesting for MGTOW is the Mary Sue that female character who can master a skill in a short amount of time, is perfect, can kick a huge man's butt in hand to hand combat and is just amazing all around.

These things back fire because they don't reflect the real world. Look at rescue crews in natural disasters, almost all men. Look at soldiers or fighters in a war zone, almost all men, not 100% men. Look at heroic deeds, almost all men.

The more they try and make something or someone look perfect the more people question it. We are seeing that with women now as well as Leftie politics in general.

Originally Posted by Latinus

The point is that movies are not just a kind of art (or at least it used to be), but they can spread new ideas. Of course the leftard elite will use it to spread their bullshit, and avoid movies that can be used to spread ideas like Mgtow ideas. That is their fear. A good movie could even be used as inspiration and motivation for new Mgtows.

Happily the current leftard elite in cinema is too incompetent even to use it to spread their own ideas. This is why they fail constantly, their "cinematic competences" suck as much as their ideology.

I don't think the entertainment industry elite are using entertainment to spread their ideas so much as they think that everyone has those ideas already.

It goes back to the colleges and universities; most young people who are politically right of center, who pursue higher education, are going into business or engineering, not acting and film making. As a result, actors and film makers are surrounded by people who think like them and when their professors and mentors tell them; "A good movie/television show must have inclusion and female empowerment" they actually think that the viewing public is looking for this. Thus, making female characters superior to the male characters is more important that a compelling and believable story. The easiest way to do this is to show the men as short-sighted, foolish buffoons.

The result is She-Hulk, in which the protagonist is privileged but still somehow a victim and is a better Hulk than the original. You get The Rings of Power, in which Galadriel, an established character known for her wisdom and foresight, must be shown as a kick-ass warrior surrounded by men who are all wrong. To the writers and directors that put these shows together, showing a female protagonist as inherently superior is more important than the classical hero's journey...and they think that the paying public (with the exception of a handful of trollish neck-beards) want to see it.

So, I respectfully disagree. My opinion is that the elite who are producing this stuff aren't trying to spread the message; they think that they're creating entertainment for a population that has already embraced the message. That's why they're consistently shocked and defensive when such entertainment flops.

Originally Posted by Jadedoldman65

So, I respectfully disagree. My opinion is that the elite who are producing this stuff aren't trying to spread the message; they think that they're creating entertainment for a population that has already embraced the message. That's why they're consistently shocked and defensive when such entertainment flops.

But actually I agree with your point as well. I think that both things are valid. But at least in one of them those elites fail constantly, and even in both sides if they really suck in their job.

Like when they try to do something to sell to both kinds of people in one single movie/series, and it seems that this is what goes wrong after all.

Rings of Power is a perfect example since it looks like they created this series to attract traditional Tolkien fans and to attract new lefties fans that are not really Tolkien fans as well, and the result sucks in both sides after all.

It is even a topic in Marketing that if you are selling something to different publics, you should use different kinds of propagandas, because many times it is really hard to please two different kinds of public using the same method. But as I said, looks like many of elites in cinema suck in their job.

The primary purpose of movies is social engineering, to condition people into acting a certain way or thinking a certain way about things. A 4chan anon claiming to be a CIA contractor goes in depth about this.

There are definitely films that can enlighten one as to how the world works, metaphorically, such as The Godfather (run a business or hierarchical organization) and The Matrix (allegory of the cave).

A simple google search for male vs female demographics movie-goers reveals that "female moviegoers ages 15-24 continuously and consistently lead in admissions compared to males of the same age, even with superhero movies and blockbusters with a majority male audience"

Follow the money trail, it usually is a major contributing factor.

Most modern films suck because they tell the same old shitty story that's already been told, and they tell it badly. Then they throw in a bunch of woke shit, thinking that will save your story. It won't. If a story is shitty, it's shitty, and having a character be trans and make out with a lesbian won't save it.

In another thread (about the new Indiana Jones movie) Montauk says these movies are being written by low talent SJW women who happen to be adult children of the Hollywood elite. Sounds quite possible to me, I guess grown rich kids have to eat too. It's sure a stupid waste of resources though, isn't it?

What no one has answered is why should I waste my time and money on modern woke nonsense movies when I have the whole 100+ year catalog of movies to choose from. Just because it is new doesn't mean that it is worth viewing. There are a lot of streaming services that don't charge anything and have movies worth watching.

Originally Posted by frog

In another thread (about the new Indiana Jones movie) Montauk says these movies are being written by low talent SJW women who happen to be adult children of the Hollywood elite. Sounds quite possible to me, I guess grown rich kids have to eat too. It's sure a stupid waste of resources though, isn't it?

Yes.

It also explains what JadeOldMan touched on in his post above. A lot of them want to prove themselves, and believe their Snowflake behinds are Simply The Best.

The Mary Sue they make is insufferable and don't need no Man and no Hero's Journey. She's just awesome, it's simply that everybody needs to recognize it --- and that's how they see themselves.

Yoel Roth is very much this kind of person, for example. Their position is entirely correct, does not need to be subject to anybody's criticism or feedback, and thus any arbitrary destruction of others, or the Franchise, is justified because anything that comes from them is already perfect.

I'm no Leftist, but there's definitely more than a dollop of Class Snobbery in Wokeness. In fact, Wokeness is appealing because it's more concerned with Race, Gender, etc. than being born with silver spoon. Again, not that having a silver spoon disqualifies accomplishments, but frequently it deflects obvious incompetence.