Thread: Why I moved to Dubai and am not coming back to America

This forum has been around for 8 years or so I believe. Even in those 8 years we've witnessed further degradation of Western society at the hands of feminism - with women engaging in disrespect commonly because there are no consequences, men giving importance to women because they've been trained to do so, and overall society becoming selfish and entitled as it adopts more of a female persona.

Women after all never thought of the group, but only their own interests and with a short-term mindset. Why women look to men for stability and not other women.

For those who think this can be reversed, consider that the elites have trillions of dollars at their disposal, control ALL the media, and can destroy anyone who stands in their way (consider that every mgtow community but ours has been derailed). If they want to use feminism as further Divide and Conquer in this country, they will.

I'm not Muslim but throughout these 8 years, you might have noticed my comments on occasion pointing out how they have said 'nothing doing' to feminism even if it means condemnation by the satanists in the west who are foisting this mind poison on us. I finally decided to see if that was true and moved to Dubai. My verdict: seems to be true.

Keep in mind that about 10% of the people here in Dubai are European or American; and unsurprisingly some of them bring their bitchiness with them. But here you have no worries about putting them in their place.

For the rest, they come from all over the world- Philipines, India, Africa, other parts of Asia. They bring traditional cultures; a sense of civility and mutual respect. No place is perfect- but once the cancer of feminism- the false ideology that claims equality that brings endless resentment and conflict- is removed, it is so much lighter. The government is highly efficient- wonderful roads, buildings, public services - all at no cost- by that I mean, there's no income tax.

I realize I'm in a unique situation. I'm financially independent so I didn't need to consider working here. If you can work remotely, ie: work in tech, finance etc. - it may be an option too. You can also work here; as mentioned, there's no income tax, which is cool.

Engaging with the Community versus Solitude

Some have elected to "ghost" in the West. This is because both men and women have been contaminated by feminism; women to act like cunts towards men without a sense of consequence; and men, being these pretend-alphas that overvalue women. However, there is a cost to solitude. A social cost. A cost to our mental well-being. Here I greet other men, we crack a few jokes. There is a positivity. Here men don't think "Who cares- it's another man, boring. Where the women at?". As men do in an over-sexualized society.

I do believe a part of us is lost when we adopt a DNGAF attitude. Our sense of wonder and optimism goes with it. As you've figured out, the problem is not you. It's your environment. But still, we become thick skinned but hard hearted. We stop caring- even about things we should care about. It's a natural solution when leaving is impossible. For decades I thought leaving was impossible. Then I left and realized nothing held me back.

In Dubai vs America

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Originally Posted by jagrmeister

This forum has been around for 8 years or so I believe. Even in those 8 years we've witnessed further degradation of Western society at the hands of feminism - with women engaging in disrespect commonly because there are no consequences, men giving importance to women because they've been trained to do so, and overall society becoming selfish and entitled as it adopts more of a female persona.

Women after all never thought of the group, but only their own interests and with a short-term mindset. Why women look to men for stability and not other women.

For those who think this can be reversed, consider that the elites have trillions of dollars at their disposal, control ALL the media, and can destroy anyone who stands in their way (consider that every mgtow community but ours has been derailed). If they want to use feminism as further Divide and Conquer in this country, they will.

I'm not Muslim but throughout these 8 years, you might have noticed my comments on occasion pointing out how they have said 'nothing doing' to feminism even if it means condemnation by the satanists in the west who are foisting this mind poison on us. I finally decided to see if that was true and moved to Dubai. My verdict: seems to be true.

Keep in mind that about 10% of the people here in Dubai are European or American; and unsurprisingly some of them bring their bitchiness with them. But here you have no worries about putting them in their place.

For the rest, they come from all over the world- Philipines, India, Africa, other parts of Asia. They bring traditional cultures; a sense of civility and mutual respect. No place is perfect- but once the cancer of feminism- the false ideology that claims equality that brings endless resentment and conflict- is removed, it is so much lighter. The government is highly efficient- wonderful roads, buildings, public services - all at no cost- by that I mean, there's no income tax.

I realize I'm in a unique situation. I'm financially independent so I didn't need to consider working here. If you can work remotely, ie: work in tech, finance etc. - it may be an option too. You can also work here; as mentioned, there's no income tax, which is cool.

Engaging with the Community versus Solitude

Some have elected to "ghost" in the West. This is because both men and women have been contaminated by feminism; women to act like cunts towards men without a sense of consequence; and men, being these pretend-alphas that overvalue women. However, there is a cost to solitude. A social cost. A cost to our mental well-being. Here I greet other men, we crack a few jokes. There is a positivity. Here men don't think "Who cares- it's another man, boring. Where the women at?". As men do in an over-sexualized society.

I do believe a part of us is lost when we adopt a DNGAF attitude. Our sense of wonder and optimism goes with it. As you've figured out, the problem is not you. It's your environment. But still, we become thick skinned but hard hearted. We stop caring- even about things we should care about. It's a natural solution when leaving is impossible. For decades I thought leaving was impossible. Then I left and realized nothing held me back.

In Dubai vs America

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With the latest round of insanity (end oil, ban fertilizer, give animals human rights and stop eating them) I may have niche to support myself in Dubai, and that being setting up and running desert food production, with my fertilizer (plant food) and know how.

I could start feeding the Dubai people that don't stifle my efforts to survive with counterproductive and destructive legislation.

I want you to know it's a major effort to keep an upbeat attitude and not run this site down with outstanding and prevalent negativity we in the west constantly and endlessly endure.

Feminism is leading to the end of mankind and everything we've worked for.

As for "America", I live within one of its rotted and decayed geo-judicial, geo-political, geo-legal corpse.

America is dead to me, because America for all its worth and intentions has backfired and doubles down in inequity.

I'm a man without a country like so many other men relegated to obscurity in a land of utter hypocrisy.

I do like the stories of people who actually put their money where their mouth is and move out. Obviously where you go depends on your situation, being an old man looking to retire is completely different to being a young man wanting to set up a business. I'm a cheap skate who doesn't mind "roughing it" so Dubai won't be on my list. Caleb Jones has done a few videos on the pros and cons, 10 Reasons Why I Moved To Dubai - YouTube

Originally Posted by stanmsl

I do like the stories of people who actually put their money where their mouth is and move out. Obviously where you go depends on your situation, being an old man looking to retire is completely different to being a young man wanting to set up a business. I'm a cheap skate who doesn't mind "roughing it" so Dubai won't be on my list. Caleb Jones has done a few videos on the pros and cons, 10 Reasons Why I Moved To Dubai - YouTube

Check out what he says on 19:18 - that's exactly what I'm talking about.

https://youtu.be/SJ_Kl6yg-Js?t=1158


He's saying he's not the most extroverted person but talking to people here is fun. People are happy and polite. People are from all over and they're not bitching about politics all the time. Which is true. America is so locked in conflict in every possible way. People are carrying a lot of pent-up anger that comes out as curtness or petulance. You just don't see that here very much.

Originally Posted by stanmsl

I do like the stories of people who actually put their money where their mouth is and move out. Obviously where you go depends on your situation, being an old man looking to retire is completely different to being a young man wanting to set up a business. I'm a cheap skate who doesn't mind "roughing it" so Dubai won't be on my list. Caleb Jones has done a few videos on the pros and cons, 10 Reasons Why I Moved To Dubai - YouTube

BTW, I wouldn't buy into the Dubai as super-expensive myth. Most of the population lives under $10K/year. There's plenty of decent places to rent under $1,000/month.

In Dubai vs America

to be added....

There's a video that Stan posted earlier that hit the nail on the head with regard to the difference in the people. I'll re-post my response here:

Check out what he says on 19:18 - that's exactly what I'm talking about.

https://youtu.be/SJ_Kl6yg-Js?t=1158

He's saying he's not the most extroverted person but talking to people here is fun. People are happy and polite. People are from all over and they're not bitching about politics all the time. Which is true. America is so locked in conflict in every possible way. People are carrying a lot of pent-up anger that comes out as curtness or petulance. You just don't see that here very much.

Folks, my stress levels are way down since moving to Dubai. There is toxic aspect to American culture; and the anger/petulance/discontent that people have spreads, as we mistreat each other on a regular basis. People with attitudes when you talk on the phone. People engaging in casual disrespect when you meet. People angry that they have to do manual jobs like drive a taxi or work at the airport in the richest country in the world.

It takes a toll -- EVEN if we don't realize it.

It wasn't until I left America I realized how used to conflict I was. I was used to having my guard up, whether dealing with business dealings like realtors, or even dealing with cashiers, taxi drivers etc. Why Americans are constantly pissed off is a long story but it is at least partly based on how the elite have driven us into conflict in every dimension: race, gender, North/South, party lines.... everything has become a reason to fight, virtue-signal, demonize, act like we're better. As a result people are filled with psychoses. Anxiety, depression, lonliness are all at all time highs. Ultimately it's a failure of leadership to safeguard the culture.

In Dubai, people are relaxed. Unlike America, people weren't taught to have giant egos and try to get the better of the other person in every interaction. Unlike America, people here know that wealth is not the end-all and don't care if they're not making as much as other people. No one talks about politics because it's an autocratic nation and the government handles it. All races are here but we're not fighting about racism at all.

Like the guy in the video said, women here are hot. Women from all over. Smoking hot. Revealing bikinis. No attitude either. I live in a place with a pool- there are gorgeous 20-something, 30-something, even 40-something women by the pool. Amazing bodies. You can look at them, they won't call the police. If they make eye contact, they'll usually smile. At worst, they won't do anything.

Women end up in female attire- skirts, dresses because it's too warm to do otherwise.

One annoying thing with women in America; again a subtle thing most men probably don't notice consciously, but I did- is women neck-snapping. You look in their direction, they angrily snap their neck away in disgust. I honestly wanted to deck these women but we know the laws. All this anglocunt conduct, where they somehow invent new ways to be shitty people by the day, are not present here. I know that's hard to believe. Ordinary people, strangers, can deduct from our well-being in subtle ways, or they can add to it.

I've notice how pointlessly loud most American goofs are. Here, I go to a restaurant and there's a group of people. People are talking calmly and at a reasonable volume. Amazingly, there are pauses in the action, which means the people don't need to need to gab constantly, or even interrupt one another to get a word in edge-wise like is the case in the US. Imagine the civility. Imagine having the consideration for those around you by not yelling constantly. It's like an alternative universe. I am unlearning a lot of bad habits.

In America, something has happened to the men. Men are devolving to become pretend-alphas to appeal to the regressed feminist woman's primitive instincts. Every guy is a try-hard douchebag trying to be "important" or tough. When they're neither. One thing I found is that other guys were often "too busy" to socialize. Too busy? You mean too busy watching porn, wasting time on dating sites, mindlessly surfing on the web etc. There is an anti-social quality because men don't value other men in an era where our degenerate elite have given Americans this impression that men are 'nothing'.

Here men are less contaminated by feminism's brainwashing of men to devalue other men. I really enjoy the conversations I have with people here. They are carefree. I've met a few friends that are not concerned with image, or coming across as "alpha", or trying to measure their worth in terms of women. Most importantly, the value male friendships. Remove the garbage, toxic culture the elite in America ram down one's throat- and you have people close to how they were meant to be.

Jagr - how long have you been there? I remember back about 20 years ago doing a rather extensive project on Dubai in university (an international management course) - I was in awe then of just about every aspect - primarily their goals to use the substantial wealth generated by oil to diversify the economy. I got the sense then that it was a special place and have always meant to visit...with the secondary thought that it might be a nice permanent destination at some point.

Life seems to have had other plans - although I've come to realize nothing is off the table!

Looking forward to more in this thread.

Questions:
1. Did you need to learn Arabic? If so, is that going well for you?
2. Have you kept your US citizenship? If so, do you still need to pay taxes to the US government?

One of the things I'm VERY grateful here in Dubai is not having to hear stupid shit on the radio, TV, newspapers about things like "The First Trans to win a Beauty Pageant". Or the 18th Pride event being celebrated. Nothing against those groups. It's just the degree to which the press over-celebrates shit like that. It gets very annoying. They do that with women as well - of course. There's always some group they're trying to prop up and make you care about 24-7.

None of that here.

It's real. Not fake (contrived agenda). No talk of politics, only progress. Read the news- it's practical information - not covering houses burning down. Or the latest murder. Shows that when you agitate people you end up causes likely more mayhem, more fear, more paranoia, and in the end more pointless aggression as people attack each other out of mistrust and fear.

Originally Posted by KRFJames

Jagr - how long have you been there? I remember back about 20 years ago doing a rather extensive project on Dubai in university (an international management course) - I was in awe then of just about every aspect - primarily their goals to use the substantial wealth generated by oil to diversify the economy. I got the sense then that it was a special place and have always meant to visit...with the secondary thought that it might be a nice permanent destination at some point.

Yeah exactly. Hats off to them for taking a momentary advantage in oil and turning it into one of the biggest business hubs more generally for multinationals and a top tourism destination. I see all the major companies here: from Microsoft, IBM, etc. I had visited around the time you were doing that project and remember just how many cranes there were everywhere. Funny coming 20 years later and seeing all the skyscrapers and this ultra-modern city they built. They had a vision and acted on it. It's one of those amazing growth stories like Singapore. It's funny because in America you have to look at a picture 100 years old to see what things were before all the development. Here, they show you a picture from 25 years ago and whole neighborhoods of this modern metropolis were just sand.

I've been here 9 months now. Maybe pre-mature but I figured as I get closer to one year, that I have a reasonable sense of what its like. I've lived through the summer which is scorching hot. I did go to Mongolia for two months to avoid the heat; since on the hottest day it was 118 degrees.

Life seems to have had other plans - although I've come to realize nothing is off the table!

Looking forward to more in this thread.

Yep, everyone has to find what's right for them. I came up with every reason not to leave: family, health, the occasional friend. When I decided to go, I actually did not do much planning. After 40+ years in America, I put things in two suitcases and left. That was it. I forced the issue with myself- not that I'm recommending that approach by any means. I was also dealing with a challenging situation (which I'd rather not elaborate on) that also forced my hand. That said, if none of this had happened, maybe I'd still be back in the US and not realizing there are other cultures that suit me better.

Originally Posted by TigPlaze

Questions:
1. Did you need to learn Arabic? If so, is that going well for you?
2. Have you kept your US citizenship? If so, do you still need to pay taxes to the US government?

I did not learn Arabic. Only about 10-20% of Dubai is Arabic. The rest are people from other countries (who also do not speak Arabic). So the language used by everyone is English. That was a really cool advantage- to leave to another country, and to not only not be a disadvantage with the language, but actually have an advantage with English as my first language. People here have commented they really like my accent which I get a kick out of because we as Americans are too insular to realize we do have an accent in the first place. It's clear being American has cachet here, with a 2nd behind that being British.

12 years ago or so I tried moving abroad to a different country. Language was an issue there. Also there was a feeling of exclusion, as there weren't many non-natives. Here it's the opposite.

It's funny because people in America sometimes worry about the number of immigrants vs. native born. But here it's 90% immigrant vs 10% native-born (the other 10% of Arabic are foreign-born but come to Dubai; only 10% are native from UAE called Emirati).

I'm a US citizen. For now. I hope to shed it soon. I don't want Uncle Sam to get 50% of what I earn for doing jackshit. All he's done is mess up my life, interfere, provoke and create a hostile climate. Currently, there's a Foreign Earned Income Exclusion act which exempts me from paying tax for upto $100K or something like that. That said, most of what I earn is in crypto these days.

In Dubai, Registered Nurses make about $25k/year, with a bachelor's of nursing and two year's experience, which I don't have. In Florida, CNAs make more than that anything like full time, and can make more if they travel around the state. Since I'm finishing Licensing for Practical Nursing and can expect to make $60k/year, and LPNs don't seem to exist in Dubai job ads but I can safely assume less than a full BN, the math doesn't work out for me.

Also, many of the jobs for male nurses are at home care of one elderly person, with worse pay and no benefits. At least, that's what I can tell.

Probably a big supply of Filipina/SE Asian nurses keeps the wages low.

So, not for me now, but maybe in retirement!

Originally Posted by Montauk

Probably a big supply of Filipina/SE Asian nurses keeps the wages low.

So, not for me now, but maybe in retirement!

Yes very true. I think all the ones I've interacted with are. Good to highlight; there are certain positions where you would be competing with those whose wage-demands are far less.

Your discussion of social life in Dubai reminds me of a TV Series I was watching a couple days ago - Mad Men, about life on Madison Avenue in the 1950s. Men dressed sharply along with women, flirting, smoking cigarettes, drinking in the office with "one for the road" afterwards . . . kind of painful to realize America has changed so much for the worse. Kiev actually reminded me of the Mad Men city of New York before this war when I visited - streets were clean and the people dressed sharply for most part with subways and bustling shops and restaurants. Hope this Ukraine war ends soon so I can visit again.

Originally Posted by jagrmeister

In Dubai vs America

to be added....

There's a video that Stan posted earlier that hit the nail on the head with regard to the difference in the people. I'll re-post my response here:



Folks, my stress levels are way down since moving to Dubai. There is toxic aspect to American culture; and the anger/petulance/discontent that people have spreads, as we mistreat each other on a regular basis. People with attitudes when you talk on the phone. People engaging in casual disrespect when you meet. People angry that they have to do manual jobs like drive a taxi or work at the airport in the richest country in the world.

It takes a toll -- EVEN if we don't realize it.

It wasn't until I left America I realized how used to conflict I was. I was used to having my guard up, whether dealing with business dealings like realtors, or even dealing with cashiers, taxi drivers etc. Why Americans are constantly pissed off is a long story but it is at least partly based on how the elite have driven us into conflict in every dimension: race, gender, North/South, party lines.... everything has become a reason to fight, virtue-signal, demonize, act like we're better. As a result people are filled with psychoses. Anxiety, depression, lonliness are all at all time highs. Ultimately it's a failure of leadership to safeguard the culture.

In Dubai, people are relaxed. Unlike America, people weren't taught to have giant egos and try to get the better of the other person in every interaction. Unlike America, people here know that wealth is not the end-all and don't care if they're not making as much as other people. No one talks about politics because it's an autocratic nation and the government handles it. All races are here but we're not fighting about racism at all.

Like the guy in the video said, women here are hot. Women from all over. Smoking hot. Revealing bikinis. No attitude either. I live in a place with a pool- there are gorgeous 20-something, 30-something, even 40-something women by the pool. Amazing bodies. You can look at them, they won't call the police. If they make eye contact, they'll usually smile. At worst, they won't do anything.

Women end up in female attire- skirts, dresses because it's too warm to do otherwise.

One annoying thing with women in America; again a subtle thing most men probably don't notice consciously, but I did- is women neck-snapping. You look in their direction, they angrily snap their neck away in disgust. I honestly wanted to deck these women but we know the laws. All this anglocunt conduct, where they somehow invent new ways to be shitty people by the day, are not present here. I know that's hard to believe. Ordinary people, strangers, can deduct from our well-being in subtle ways, or they can add to it.

I've notice how pointlessly loud most American goofs are. Here, I go to a restaurant and there's a group of people. People are talking calmly and at a reasonable volume. Amazingly, there are pauses in the action, which means the people don't need to need to gab constantly, or even interrupt one another to get a word in edge-wise like is the case in the US. Imagine the civility. Imagine having the consideration for those around you by not yelling constantly. It's like an alternative universe. I am unlearning a lot of bad habits.

In America, something has happened to the men. Men are devolving to become pretend-alphas to appeal to the regressed feminist woman's primitive instincts. Every guy is a try-hard douchebag trying to be "important" or tough. When they're neither. One thing I found is that other guys were often "too busy" to socialize. Too busy? You mean too busy watching porn, wasting time on dating sites, mindlessly surfing on the web etc. There is an anti-social quality because men don't value other men in an era where our degenerate elite have given Americans this impression that men are 'nothing'.

Here men are less contaminated by feminism's brainwashing of men to devalue other men. I really enjoy the conversations I have with people here. They are carefree. I've met a few friends that are not concerned with image, or coming across as "alpha", or trying to measure their worth in terms of women. Most importantly, the value male friendships. Remove the garbage, toxic culture the elite in America ram down one's throat- and you have people close to how they were meant to be.

Originally Posted by CPRA

Your discussion of social life in Dubai reminds me of a TV Series I was watching a couple days ago - Mad Men, about life on Madison Avenue in the 1950s. Men dressed sharply along with women, flirting, smoking cigarettes, drinking in the office with "one for the road" afterwards . . . kind of painful to realize America has changed so much for the worse. Kiev actually reminded me of the Mad Men city of New York before this war when I visited - streets were clean and the people dressed sharply for most part with subways and bustling shops and restaurants. Hope this Ukraine war ends soon so I can visit again.

It's a good insight into the notion that we are all drawn to certain cultural qualities.

Kyiv sounds like an alternative to America, albeit its own spin, as compared with Dubai. Alcohol is outlawed here, except in hotels - where the bars and restaurants are (though people still manage to get it at home); and not too much smoking or flirting. As a good example of the culture here, I just walked back to my apartment end of work day. Maybe 50 of us walking by the lake (which I have to do to get back to my place). All calmly walking, serenely. Some smiling. Even couples walking. But no one said a word. No kids screaming. No noise. To me that is harmony. To someone else, this is craziness. That's why we all have to find what feels right to us.

Originally Posted by jagrmeister

But no one said a word. No kids screaming. No noise. To me that is harmony. To someone else, this is craziness. That's why we all have to find what feels right to us.

I totally agree with you. When you've lived in a huge metropolis for decades, a quiet place like this comes in handy. I, too, would enjoy the peace and quiet near such a lake. We all miss that sometimes.

Does the UAE censor anything like some Arab countries do? Or can you stream pretty much any American film you want to? What about sports like NFL football. Would they get uptight if you watched an American football game?

Something important (IMO) that has not yet been said.

It takes major balls to make such a move.

I don’t care how rich or poor you are, nor how free you are to, workwise, relocate because you can do your thing online wherever your are – location independent.

It’s scary. I know because I did it 20 odd years ago and have never once regretted it for an instant.

I didn’t move as far afield as you, just a few hundred miles into a different jurisdiction on my little island here called Ireland.

Because it is the same island there wasn’t that much of a culture shock on some levels – the laws, political views and differences being much the same, but the attitudes were VERY different.

People lived what I consider to be normal lives. When I disembarked the train and set off walking to the B&B I’d booked myself into I noticed a few things that just wouldn’t be in the city I left.

Families visiting a river that runs through the centre of town feeding the ducks and swans. Where I came from the local kids would have been pelting them with bricks and stones.

An old woman crossing the road very slowly due to her age seemingly oblivious to the traffic that patiently waited for her to pass without a single horn blaring.

But I digress. The point is that up staking scared the heck out of me, exacerbated by the fact that I had nobody to share these fears with. I had no idea if I was moving out of the frying pan into the fire.

And yet I did know. I knew somehow that this was the best thing I could do for my own well-being. You can reason things out as much as you like, but sometimes you just know.

The devil you know is not always the best solution.

Originally Posted by jagrmeister

Check out what he says on 19:18 - that's exactly what I'm talking about.

https://youtu.be/SJ_Kl6yg-Js?t=1158


He's saying he's not the most extroverted person but talking to people here is fun. People are happy and polite. People are from all over and they're not bitching about politics all the time. Which is true. America is so locked in conflict in every possible way. People are carrying a lot of pent-up anger that comes out as curtness or petulance. You just don't see that here very much.

I would believe it. Never been to Dubai or the Middle East but my impression would be that it is more united in it's belief system. At least on a core level. In the West the Left have divided people in every possible way, race, religion, culture, sexuality, gender, even dietary preference now is a big deal.

And of course everything is Left vs Right politics and if you don't agree with the Left you must be a NAZI.

Americans do seem meaner. Part of is because it used to be customary to cover up your dirty work, so it looked better. Now nobody even tries to hide it.

The natives are restless, some because we're poorer than we used to be. But mostly it's the rich trying to cover their tracks by getting us to hate each other. Seems to be working too.

This would have bothered me more when I was younger, and I still care about friends and acquaintances. But I have mentally distanced myself from most of America. Would be nice if I didn't have to, but society didn't give me much choice.

This process took decades, and I had only the vaguest idea it was happening.

This thread has also made me realize just how much my life is intertwined with the National Forest, where I've lived most of my life. Even though I'm not the outdoorsman I used to be, I couldn't imagine living anywhere else.