Thread: Why are we MGTOW ? (Rant)

People hate anyone that doesn’t validate their experience. Living MGTOW is like living atheist. Religious people can’t conceive of atheism and married people can’t conceive of MGTOW. But they sure as hell can be jealous. And jealous people become angry people.

I didn’t elevate women to deity son, you did that. Live with your choices.

People ask why I’m MGTOW and they can’t seem to figure it out. I’ve never had a “bad” relationship. Some have been better than others, but that’s it. I’ve never had a bad divorce or been trapped with someone due to circumstances.

I didn’t have a bad childhood, I’m a product of a loving family.

They just don’t seem to get that I just don’t have interest in marriage. Seems stupid. I didn’t even get it as a child, I assumed it was just some weird thing I would understand one day.

I never had any of the weird relationship and “dating” woes people seem to have today.

Must be all my patriarchal privilege or something.

Originally Posted by DangZagnut

People hate anyone that doesn’t validate their experience. Living MGTOW is like living atheist. Religious people can’t conceive of atheism and married people can’t conceive of MGTOW. But they sure as hell can be jealous. And jealous people become angry people.

I didn’t elevate women to deity son, you did that. Live with your choices.

People ask why I’m MGTOW and they can’t seem to figure it out. I’ve never had a “bad” relationship. Some have been better than others, but that’s it. I’ve never had a bad divorce or been trapped with someone due to circumstances.

I didn’t have a bad childhood, I’m a product of a loving family.

They just don’t seem to get that I just don’t have interest in marriage. Seems stupid. I didn’t even get it as a child, I assumed it was just some weird thing I would understand one day.

I never had any of the weird relationship and “dating” woes people seem to have today.

Must be all my patriarchal privilege or something.

This has essentially been my experience - with a few differences. My parents did divorce (which gave me a view through my dad's experiences as to what I wanted to avoid), and I had a mess of a relationship in my late teens.

I just much, much, much prefer being on my own, and living on my own terms. I think that is what pisses people off.

I've been very selective about explaining my thought process and decision to follow the MGTOW life - restricting that to my closest friends and a few family members. They know me well enough to take what I say (on any given subject) seriously, and that I stand behind my convictions.

The typical responses are likely familiar here... "Ohh, you'll find someone", or "everyone needs a partner" or "you just haven't found the right one yet".

My responses are "Ohh no I won't" and "I certainly don't" and for the last one I get a little more lengthy:

"what a complete crock of shit that is...there have been studies based on the 'ideal partner' taking into account all possible traits/compatibility etc and they have concluded, based on the sheer number of people on the planet and a finite number of possible traits that there are at least 3000 people out there who would be a perfectly compatible match for each person - there is no way I'm even going to start working through that shit show to find 'the one', I have much better things to do with my time".

The be clear, the above is completely bullshit as far as I know, but a blank stare is the response it gets, which is what I was looking for!

Originally Posted by DangZagnut

People hate anyone that doesn’t validate their experience.

Originally Posted by KRF James

I just much, much, much prefer being on my own, and living on my own terms. I think that is what pisses people off.

I believe herein lies the truth about why so many seem to despise us and tell lies about us.

But, TBH, IRL I don’t see anger towards my lifestyle, just a seeming lack of comprehension often accompanied by a smug look that they’re right and I’m wrong.

Once some people are locked into any particular mind set they just can’t seem to see outside the box that they’ve either created for themselves or have been indoctrinated with. Anyone that chooses another path must be missing something that only they understand.

The term “Horses for Courses” is completely lost on them.

Originally Posted by FangBlade

For me it seeing the obvious conflict between what people say women are vs their actions

That was exactly it for me. I had fully bought into the notion that feminists just want equality, and that they'll be totally dedicated to fairness with all woman and men. Man, was that ever wrong. I had to witness numerous examples of women's ruthlessness and cruelty before I even considered that they might not be the nice gender that they've been portrayed as in our literature and movies.

One example quite some time back was how feminists acted when Lorraine Bobbitt mutilated her husband by cutting off his penis. I was horrified by that act, as any decent person would be. But feminists snickered, as if it were some kind of joke. Then they made him into the bad guy. John Wayne Bobbitt was the one who was brutally assaulted, but the feminists instantly bought her horseshit story about him having supposedly raped her; therefore she somehow had to chop off his dick in self defense. Has there ever been a more absurd story? JW's story is far more credible. He said that her feelings were hurt, and then she assaulted him with that knife in retaliation. Feminists were obviously okay with her cruelty, and simply bought into her nonsense to justify that.

It's quite clear that feminists will always take the woman's side no matter what. It's been a long road, but I finally figured out that feminists don't even see most men as human beings. If you can't give her the tingles, your life isn't of any more value in her eyes than that of an amoeba.

Originally Posted by TigPlaze

If you can't give her the tingles, your life isn't of any more value in her eyes than that of an amoeba.

This is literally "Woman in a nutshell" ! Everything I have witnessed till today makes sense with this explanation!!

Originally Posted by Unboxxed

I thought IE was defunct, but ok. I know it's not supported anymore, so watch out for security issues when using it.

When not logged in, expect to not see attachments so that's not a best comparison. Yeah, image substitution is a new one.

Yup. IE has been replaced by Edge, but it’s still there and cannot be removed. It seems to be an integral part of Windows and its removal would negatively impact other Windows features. I don’t quite get this, but it’s what I’ve read.

I didn’t use it even when it was fully supported, but it was there so I tried it on this occasion “just to see”.

I could have tried Edge, but I don’t like its insipid nature of loading itself in the background even when not being used. I have taken steps to prevent this but using it even once means I have to retrace these steps so it has been consigned to the scrap-heap.

I used to occasionally use Opera because of its built in VPN, but since that feature became basically unusable (slow / websites not displaying correctly) I removed it from my system.

So that left me with IE, such that it is.


As for not seeing attachments when not logged on, that doesn’t bother me. What does is the inconsistency. If I couldn’t see any that would make at least some sort of sense but I can see some, and from what I remember you can see all. I was still on Windows 7 the last time this was mentioned and that was postulated as maybe being a potential source of the issue, but those days are long gone and yet the issue persists.

I tend to believe that if it is an issue on my end then whether or not I’m logged on should make no difference.

What I mean is, if you can see certain images when not logged on then I should be able to also, unless my configuration was such that I couldn’t see such images at all. This would suggest a problem at my end.

But when logged on I can see said images, which suggests no problem with my configuration.

It’s all very confusing, but at the end of the day it’s no big deal. It’s just a curiosity to be pondered over occasionally.

Originally Posted by TigPlaze

That was exactly it for me. I had fully bought into the notion that feminists just want equality, and that they'll be totally dedicated to fairness with all woman and men. Man, was that ever wrong. I had to witness numerous examples of women's ruthlessness and cruelty before I even considered that they might not be the nice gender that they've been portrayed as in our literature and movies.

One example quite some time back was how feminists acted when Lorraine Bobbitt mutilated her husband by cutting off his penis. I was horrified by that act, as any decent person would be. But feminists snickered, as if it were some kind of joke. Then they made him into the bad guy. John Wayne Bobbitt was the one who was brutally assaulted, but the feminists instantly bought her horseshit story about him having supposedly raped her; therefore she somehow had to chop off his dick in self defense. Has there ever been a more absurd story? JW's story is far more credible. He said that her feelings were hurt, and then she assaulted him with that knife in retaliation. Feminists were obviously okay with her cruelty, and simply bought into her nonsense to justify that.

It's quite clear that feminists will always take the woman's side no matter what. It's been a long road, but I finally figured out that feminists don't even see most men as human beings. If you can't give her the tingles, your life isn't of any more value in her eyes than that of an amoeba.

That's something I realize too, that feminists (feminist aligned groups) simply see men as either evil or non human.

It took me a while to really get and understand this fact too. But I do have to thank my ex-gf from some years back for introducing me to true female nature.

Being with a person who Makes jokes about my deceased mother after a few weeks of me telling her I just recently got over being depressed about her passing really red pill the hell out of you

Editing: spelling and wording

Originally Posted by FangBlade

Being with a person who Makes jokes about my mother being deceased after a few weeks of telling her I just recently got over being depressed about her passing really red pill the hell out of you

Man, that’s some seriously fucked up shit right there. My condolences, belated as they are.

Originally Posted by FangBlade

Thay something realize too, that feminists (feminist aligned groups) simply see men as either evil or non human.

It took me a while to really get this fact too. But I do have to thank my ex-gf from some years back for introducing me to true female nature.

Being with a person who Makes jokes about my mother being deceased after a few weeks of telling her I just recently got over being depressed about her passing really red pill the hell out of you

In our situation (MGTOW) they don't see us at all, we've vanished from their sight and no longer part of their lexicon, they simply see there are no good men, we're all gone, never to be seen again.

My point of view? Life is grand when you let yourself out of the pig-pen, and going back is unthinkable!

Why would any man who takes a serious look around him at the decay of society, particularly women and relationships, not choose to go MGTOW?

I’m not going to lie. I fought the decision for the longest time. I didn’t want to believe that women or getting a piece of ass were not the highlight of a man’s life. There was a time when most of my strive for self-improvement only revolved around what that would get me from the female camp. The excitement about the unknown was one of the best parts. I had always figured that some day a perfect woman who I could completely trust and love would find her way into my life. And I would expect that she would feel the exact same about me. Then life could finally have some closure to it. I could feel like a real man and like I had actually done something meaningful with my life.

Then life happened and I learned. Life is not a Disney or Hallmark movie. Two long-term relationships later I realized that nothing positive I ever established with a woman ever lasted. Sex will only take a relationship so far. Past the sex I began to see what these women I was with were really about. They always aspired to higher and higher, to the point where I couldn’t make it work financially anymore. It made me question my self-worth and value as a man. I started to hate myself at one point and became ashamed, all because of what I believed about my perceived inability to provide for a woman.

Then the realization kicked in. I could be a pretty good guy. A great guy at times. I had my flaws, but I knew how to treat a woman. I began to see that women didn’t know how to treat me. How to appreciate me. How dare I betray myself and think any less of myself because of the standards of a bitch. Why should I sell myself out for the fake appeasement of a woman?

As I learned to appreciate myself more and more I began to take an interest in other things in life, such as learning a martial art and focusing on my writing career. I realized that my life was worth so much more than a relationship or an ungrateful bitch. I like being me.
I like the fact that people associate me with being solo, with autonomy, with self-respect, and as the guy who says “fuck off” to all the traditional standards and norms with respect to dating and marriage. MGTOW has been a personal journey. Not every single day has been easy. My simpery sneaks in from time to time, trying to gain a foothold through an interaction with an attractive woman somewhere, whether it be in class, at work, or any public environment. I play nice and act nice, but my line is drawn. I will never again betray or shame the one guy who has always had my back. That being me.

Modern day women and relationships are like a beautiful, sugary birthday cake. It looks so tasty at a glance, but it’s nothing but fluff and sponge underneath. It has no real nutritious value for a man or his soul. It’s a poison and a self-defeating trap. A man will never truly please a woman. I won’t set myself up for failure anymore with unrealistic goals and expectations.

I appreciate myself way too much. For the longest time I used to consider myself not good enough for most women.

The truth is that they are not good enough to be with ME.

Originally Posted by Societysucksmyass

Life is not a Disney or Hallmark movie.

My ex literally said that's what she wants (Hallmark) during our discussion to end the marriage. I had no response...couldn't believe the naive ignorance coming from someone I thought I knew for 20+ years....

Originally Posted by Societysucksmyass

I will never again betray or shame the one guy who has always had my back. That being me.

I appreciate myself way too much. For the longest time I used to consider myself not good enough for most women.

The truth is that they are not good enough to be with ME.

Awesome statements - completely relate and agree 100% - great post overall BTW.

Originally Posted by Societysucksmyass

> Modern day women and relationships are like a beautiful, sugary birthday cake. It looks so tasty at a glance, but it’s nothing but fluff and sponge underneath. It has no real nutritious value for a man or his soul.

Well said, mate! I am not religious, but this feels appropriate:

"Amen, brother - amen."

Originally Posted by user97972

People always hate us. Thinking we just go MGTOW because we don't get p***y or so. But world is not white and black like that. Lets start about everything..


Family? I grew up in house filled with hatred and fights. My dad and mom constantly arguing. My dad cheated on my mom and she is still with him. My dad got cheated on by his first wife , that is where the trust issues comes from. Dad was a chad before, now alcohol issues and unemployed.Now a weak weasel with trust issues,temper like a 15 yo boy and a balloon for a belly.


Partners? All of my close friends' girlfriends broke up with them during their worst times (while one of my friend got kicked out with her mother out of house by his father temporarily,while other friends parent got divorced. Families full of fight just like me). Some got worst (like guys in this website), divorce rapes, false accusations ... Nothing but hard work like expensive dates,vacations,rings but no support from opposite site.


School? I studied in best schools in my country ,both high school and university. 90% of my high school life was around getting ghosted and bullied by my classmates. Both women and men. Teachers saw this,but did nothing. The goddamn headmaster was an alcoholic guy too. University life was almost same, while I had to endure the hard finals of engineering by day, I had to witness my family arguments in night. Hardly any sleep, no support from friends and so on..


System? We have seen how much they support us during covid lockdown. We had to lay down our jobs, educations and livelihood but got no help after it ended. Most of peoples livelihoods (both economically and mentally) got shattered by the time it ended as we had no support.


Army? We know how war veterans and prisoners of war are treated,even today.


Media? They only push what destroys us. Lies, propagandas ,porn,consumerism... We try to
find the truth but in smallest mistake they cancel us, just for trying to get smarter.


What do we have to lay on? Nothing but ourselves. We men are unwanted scums on this earth in this day and age. Used,treated like crap and thrown aside. They think we only quitted dating.. No, we quitted the society altogether, trying to find a little purpose,happiness and hope where we have little to nothing. We are not going to spend rest of our lives taking chances where there is a high hope of being a slave..

Got some similarities it appears.
My parents thought screaming at each other was an Olympic sport or something.
Both had tempers and did not like not getting their way.
They divorced though and I got to live with a mother who was an undiagnosed manic depressive and a narcissist.

She was (and is) a heavy smoker and I had constant upper respiratory problems growing up.
Doctor told me it was because of my moms heavy smoking.....mom told me it was because I didn't clean my room enough (seriously).

Had a sister who took a large dose of my moms behavior and it turned her into a self admitted bitch who would argue with me even if I told her I agreed with her on something.

School SUCKED.
I went to school with people who thought a fair fight was 3 on 1.Teachers did noting and principal told me "boys will be boys".
Ignored by the females because I wasn't a cool bad boy or a super jock.

So I can see where you are coming from on it.

Originally Posted by mgtower

In our situation (MGTOW) they don't see us at all, we've vanished from their sight and no longer part of their lexicon, they simply see there are no good men, we're all gone, never to be seen again.

My point of view? Life is grand when you let yourself out of the pig-pen, and going back is unthinkable!

^^^^THIS

Originally Posted by Jackoff

Man, that’s some seriously fucked up shit right there. My condolences, belated as they are.

Thanks man, I view it as a learning opportunity on female nature. Seeing how women really get down and nasty divorce raping their husbands.

In the grand scheme of things I got out pretty light compared to what a lot of other men unfortunately have gone through with women

Originally Posted by Jackoff

Could the site be under attack by those that wish to trash us?

This is not an unlikely scenario.

Originally Posted by Jackoff

Um, I'm not seeing an image Unboxxed, nor a thumbnail

And today, Jackoff, as I revisit this thread, I do not see the image I had placed in your post and in my post, as I had before, nor any thumbnail or evidence of it, nor evidence of its removal.

Originally Posted by jagrmeister

This is not an unlikely scenario.

It wouldn't be a surprise. I have suspected for years that various authorities are planting kiddie pr0n on targets' personal computers. There are too many busts out my way of guys who "just happen" to have the stuff found after the cops seize their computers, after the cops executed a search warrant for some other (unrelated) offense. Usually charges for the original offense would be dropped or never filed. The target would be nailed for the kiddie material instead and receive prison time.

Lee Raconteur's old "Don't get married" forum was shut down after fembot provocateurs joined, posted shady stuff that violated the Proboards TOS, then complained to Proboards that the forum had that material. This was years before cancel culture became common. Similar things happened to some other men's sites that long ago got wiped.

So yes, this site could be a target. Easily. Good on the mods for watching out.

Indeed.

I'd like to take the opportunity to thank the mods and admins of this site, for giving us one of the last remaining places in the internet where we MGTOW can freely discuss.
Sincerely: thank you, guys.

Originally Posted by K-Dog

So yes, this site could be a target. Easily. Good on the mods for watching out.

Thank you, and this could be a good time to remind every member that each post has a Report icon in the lower left area. This allows members to Report posts that are in violation of our Principles, as Mods may not be everywhere, always. It doesn't even have to be a violation, you may want to draw our attention to something suspicious. Reports show up in a Mods-only sub-forum where all mods can read and discuss, if need be. Not all Reports result in visible action taken. However, ALL Reports are treated confidentially in that the Reporting member is never revealed.

Might as well also say that the Principles can be read by clicking on that word at the top of each page, in the black bar. Members are expected to be aware of them and follow them.

Thank you.