Thread: when "let's be friends" upset you, you weren't being an asshole

This guy has some red pill ideas, though he's not MGTOW. I remember being made to feel like a heel because I reacted with frustration to the "let's be friends" crap. I was seeing a woman who lived 50 miles (81 km) away from me. Each date to see her required me to drive a minimum of 100 miles (161 km). She was new to town, and I showed her around. Then at some point, I felt her pulling away, and that was frustrating. It was then that she hit me with the "let's be friends speech." I said that that wasn't what I had invested all this time and effort for, and that I would rather simply part. She laid a total guilt trip on me for that. Alexander Grace explains why your reaction to the friendship crap is justified. For one thing, these "friendship" offers are rarely sincere. They're just a consolation prize. And if you take her up on that and keep seeing her as friends, it's a constant reminder of the rejection. You're way better off cutting ties. The "let's be friends" bullshit is a smoke screen to hide the fact that she totally led you on. When I was driving a hundred miles per date, and paying for everything for our entertainment, what did she think I did that for? She was just one of many, many women who take for granted men's generosity. After all, she wasn't paying for the gas it took to drive that far, and she wasn't paying for any of our entrance tickets or meals.

Alexander Grace does dating advice for men, and is not MGTOW. However, I though this video was applicable to MGTOW. If you're harboring any guilt for having told a woman "no" to her bullshit friendship offer, you can let go of that.

https://youtu.be/-6F_Z4jpQBc

If someone ever told me, "Let's be friends," I'd just say, "Sounds good to me" and then never contact her again, and never reply if she tried to contact me. I mean, who needs the face to face drama. Just get the hell out of there and move on, that's my cut at it.

Originally Posted by kru-kut

If someone ever told me, "Let's be friends," I'd just say, "Sounds good to me" and then never contact her again, and never reply if she tried to contact me. I mean, who needs the face to face drama. Just get the hell out of there and move on, that's my cut at it.

That's how I finally started doing it, unless I felt she had committed egregious offenses against me, then I was all, "Fuck that shit. We're not going to be friends. Piss off." I did that to the woman who had thrown her body at my brother because she wanted his money. Then when he refused her, she threw her body at me, claiming she was in love with me, all with dollar signs in her eyes. I had no idea she had done that with my brother, but she had assumed I was rich because other members of my family are. She was money-trolling trash. If I could have her executed by an axe-throwing squad, I would.

Women exploit men, most especially through marriage, but also egregiously through dating. Why allow yourself to be used? Used for what? A disposable utility? A human sacrifice? A potential violence proxy? A free meal? Free manual labor?

Women enjoy sex just as much as men. You're not exploiting women through consensual sex. Any women that tells you that probably exploits men through sex. Why allow yourself to be a fool? Why allow yourself to be used? You'll get nothing from it but a sense of being marginalized, abused and taken advantage of.

This is why MGTOW are banned/censored. Women and their state pimp/violence proxy don't want you to know the truth. Truth is the enemy of women and the state. But why? Because MGTOW destroys their exploitative business model, something that they're willing to do anything to protect.

Go MGTOW.

Tell The Bitch Collective to Fuck Off

DISOBEY

If your friends, they might still get something out of you.

What do they know anyway? Real friendship requires giving back, sometimes a lot, and your average women avoids that like the plague. Friendship's a one-way street for them. There are exceptions, but their badly outnumbered by the phonies.

Five hundred miles from home my transmissions giving out. I call my pal and say, "the bikes still going but making noise, get the truck ready." I limped home ok, but he'd a spent his weekend saving me if it had been needed. And when he wanted help with a new sewer line all he had to do was call. That's friendship.

Originally Posted by frog

If your friends, they might still get something out of you.

What do they know anyway? Real friendship requires giving back, sometimes a lot, and your average women avoids that like the plague. Friendship's a one-way street for them. There are exceptions, but their badly outnumbered by the phonies.

Five hundred miles from home my transmissions giving out. I call my pal and say, "the bikes still going but making noise, get the truck ready." I limped home ok, but he'd a spent his weekend saving me if it had been needed. And when he wanted help with a new sewer line all he had to do was call. That's friendship.

I've traded some big money labor, time, and equipment in the bartering with "friends", but only when it reciprocates, moochers don't get in our tight nit circle and it's mutually agreed we don't cast pearls before these swine!

I'm a phone call away, and never say no, as good friends and good fellows we never say no and rise to each other's occasion! Money is just a tool to perform this act with strangers, until the definition and worthiness of the money itself becomes spoiled and riddled in corruption.

Originally Posted by frog

What do they know anyway? Real friendship requires giving back, sometimes a lot, and your average women avoids that like the plague. Friendship's a one-way street for them.

"I've got your back", said no woman or cat ever.

Originally Posted by Chris007

"I've got your back", said no woman or cat ever.

Pussy's gonna go wherever there's free food.

Originally Posted by kru-kut

If someone ever told me, "Let's be friends," I'd just say, "Sounds good to me" and then never contact her again, and never reply if she tried to contact me. I mean, who needs the face to face drama. Just get the hell out of there and move on, that's my cut at it.

Had this with my ex, 6 months before discovering the manosphere, agreed to her LJBF waited for 6 weeks then unfriended her on Facebook and ignored all her messages since.
I can count on one badly deformed hand the number of times I have seen her in the last 6 years despite living only 5 minutes walk from my house.

It obviously worked and messed with her head.

Originally Posted by Chris007

"I've got your back", said no woman or cat ever.

It could go either way with the cat. There was a rest home cat named Oscar who took it as his job to hang with dying people. He could tell who was dying faster than the staff could and went crazy if they wouldn't let him in the room. A lot of the time the people were so far gone they didn't know he was there, but he stuck with them till the end. There's a book about him.

Maybe they don't really "have your back", but some cats are kind of loyal. Mine have been anyway. Women, not so much.

I once told a woman who wanted to sleep with me that I just wanted to be friends. All the stereotypical stuff they accuse men of they also do. It was pretty funny actually. I wasn't completely closed to the idea but I actually wanted to at least get to know her first as she was only moderately attractive to me. But no. Sex immediately was demanded or I was to be immediately scorned and insulted. In fact she opened with "it's not like you can resist it". Ha!

Several mistakes here (boggles my mind that men still make these mistakes with women). NEVER EVER EVER EVER invest more than her. Driving a hundred miles to go wine and dine some bitch that's probably banging Tyrone a few blocks away for free is stupid. I would never recommend a LDR but if you really like her one trip to her on the first date, upon which she pays her share of the date (because you already burned it in gas). Second date, she ABSOLUTELY has to be the one to drive to you. Investing your time, money, and energy without asking for equal investment in return is communicating desperation and to her subconscious that you don't value yourself, therefore she can never respect you, which subsequently decreases her attraction for you, hence "let's be friends." This is why women love Tyrone/Chad. Do you think those guys are driving to her or buying her shit? Pisses me off that men can still be this clueless about women. MGTOW has a lot of work to do...

but then again, we are not a movement. Oh well..

I have "friend zoned" far more women than ever put me in that situation. The reason is that even before MGTOW I had an aversion to completely casual sex. I like to know the person first. After TRP and looking back I also had an aversion to promiscuous women. It was then unconscious. I always hated the idea of being guy number 5 after 4 others or more THAT YEAR alone. Why would that be special? I would rather masturbate than sleep with women who constantly sleep around. Also, it still requires effort to please them and you are then just bring compared to the last guy.

Whenever a woman says "Let's just be friends" it means she doesn't get tingles for you and wants to keep you around to use you. She has so many guys in the friend zone she could draft anyone of them for any of her needs. Why would you agree to be used? Women will constantly want and use the words "you are supposed to be my friend" when they want to sucker you. You will never get paid back but if you do then it will be AFTER everyone else and you will get crumbs. I stopped caring about women. I always say NO if they ask me for something. After all its the same thing they'd say to me.

Originally Posted by pool-boy

Also, it still requires effort to please them and you are then just bring compared to the last guy.

No, you are compared to the best she has ever had. She is on a hunt for better than him, you are just the next try out.... This is where the "Alpha Widow" phrase comes from. Just because she wants you around for a while doesn't mean you are the best, you may be a little better in some areas than the Alpha was, but she will always be looking for better than you and the Alpha.

Originally Posted by TigPlaze

This guy has some red pill ideas, though he's not MGTOW.

Alexander Grace does dating advice for men, and is not MGTOW.

Good choice. I am a regular watcher of Alexander Grace's YT videos. He is very RP and I think he has had a university education in psychology? He did touch on his education a year ago or more in one of his videos. He's doesn't claim to be MGTOW, but his views are not far away... He likely wants to keep the dating audience.... BP simps will burn money in hopes of getting knowledge to get/keep a "Princess"....

Update: He's in a long term relationship. Does Alexander Grace Have A Girlfriend? - YouTube

You want to be friends? That's great!

Can you help me move? Could you pick up my mother at the airport so I don't have to take a day off from work? Could you lend me $100 until next Tuesday? Would you help me take my old mattress to the garbage dump?

That's what friends do for each other, right? They help each other?

Oh, you didn't want to be "that kind" of friend? You just wanted to be the kind of friend that sponges off me?

Got it. Good bye.

On the eve of Independence Day in America, I content myself with the knowledge that one of my forefathers probably shot one of Spooky's forefathers.

I'm out. Peace.
- Owen, 07.03.2022

I used to get that a lot. At first I didn't understand, "You're so nice, sensitive and funny and cute, I love so much about you.. but let's just be friends". Ok right...

I slowly started to realize that they already had other orbiters as well a couple of FWB's and was biding her time while deciding which option would work out the best for her. I only put myself through it a couple of times which was still too much but listening to some chick that you liked moan about how a guy just broke her heart and treated her like shit was also confusing.

But again, what was once seen as a failure is now seen as success because even back then I realized they were fucked up and not worth my time let alone anything else.

On the eve of Independence Day in America, I content myself with the knowledge that one of my forefathers probably shot one of Spooky's forefathers.

I'm out. Peace.
- Owen, 07.03.2022