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    Re: when "let's be friends" upset you, you weren't being an asshole

    her: lets just be friends.

    Me: I don't think that will work.

    her: why not?

    me: you're not really qualified for that position

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    When she said let's be friends you should have just said "Great. The next five get-togethers you will come to my town and pay for everything. You know, just like friends do. Sometimes it's my treat sometimes it's yours."
    You wouldn't hear from her again.

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    Re: when "let's be friends" upset you, you weren't being an asshole

    "Let's just be friends."

    "Sure! Next date is on you, because that's what friends do."

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    Re: when "let's be friends" upset you, you weren't being an asshole

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    I used to get that a lot. At first I didn't understand, "You're so nice, sensitive and funny and cute, I love so much about you.. but let's just be friends". Ok right...

    I slowly started to realize that they already had other orbiters as well a couple of FWB's and was biding her time while deciding which option would work out the best for her. I only put myself through it a couple of times which was still too much but listening to some chick that you liked moan about how a guy just broke her heart and treated her like shit was also confusing.

    But again, what was once seen as a failure is now seen as success because even back then I realized they were fucked up and not worth my time let alone anything else.
    Being friend zoned does the heart and self esteem no good, been there once, never went back, never simped, begged, complained, or pushed the issue again, that event changed me for the better, I learned when to walk away and to swallow my pride, haven't had a female friend ever since, that was the event that turned me away and onto fickle female nature and their twisted debased logic.

    My wisdom about women went from kiddy park rollercoaster to high speed rail after that event. Sometimes blessings come in the form of humiliation, rejection, and emotional pain, it had a searing effect on my heart and the whole thing was 100% self inflicted and 100% avoidable.

    I stopped getting close to women since Bill Clinton was in office, and from that prospective every dude I know and knew went through a meat grinder by being warm and friendly towards women.

    As men, we're entering an Ice Age when it comes to being warm and friendly towards the modern indorenated and culturally denigrated woman. Spiritual ice is the best thing for a wounded heart and ravaged soul. Where would the world be without ice? This is the kind of ice a woman can't solve by plugging in an electric heater under her desk!

    Life with these modern recreated creatures calling themselves feminists, empowered, and strong, is like winter in Duluth Minnesota where they smash out your doors and break all the windows! There's a mile thick layer of ice between me and the thought of a warm friendly woman! To get through that they'll need nukes!
    Corruption, like low tide, lowers all boats and smashes their hulls on the rocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    Several mistakes here (boggles my mind that men still make these mistakes with women). NEVER EVER EVER EVER invest more than her. Driving a hundred miles to go wine and dine some bitch that's probably banging Tyrone a few blocks away for free is stupid. I would never recommend a LDR but if you really like her one trip to her on the first date, upon which she pays her share of the date (because you already burned it in gas). Second date, she ABSOLUTELY has to be the one to drive to you. Investing your time, money, and energy without asking for equal investment in return is communicating desperation and to her subconscious that you don't value yourself, therefore she can never respect you, which subsequently decreases her attraction for you, hence "let's be friends." This is why women love Tyrone/Chad. Do you think those guys are driving to her or buying her shit? Pisses me off that men can still be this clueless about women. MGTOW has a lot of work to do...

    but then again, we are not a movement. Oh well..
    All that stuff I know now, but I didn't back then. I thought I was a shoe-in because she was a friend of my sister in-law. In fairness, she did drive out to my place once, so that's something ... I guess. The point is, if you're harboring any guilt at all over not liking the "let's be friends thing," let it go. It's normal to not like that.

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    Re: when "let's be friends" upset you, you weren't being an asshole

    Quote Originally Posted by OwenWentFullMGTOW View Post
    At the risk of fanning my own balls, this is one ploy that I never fell for after about age 13 or so. It only happened once. And even then, it only lasted a week or two. The only good piece of dating advice my mom ever gave led me to it, in fact. When she was talking to my brother, she said something like "If she likes you, then she likes you. What is there to 'think about'? If you ask her out, why would she need a few days to figure out if she wants to go? There's never been a woman who needed to time to come to a decision about that. She knew the instant you met her if she liked you or not!"

    (Pretty much everything else my mom ever said in terms of dating advice was all about Building A Better Beta. But this time, she actually provided something insightful.)

    And it made sense. Nine times out of ten, I knew whether I liked a girl or not the instant I met her.

    Your remark about the orbiter thing intrigues me tho. I went through a phase back in my twenties where I tried the orbiter thing for myself. It was brief and highly ill-advised. But it taught me many lessons. The first one was that women fucking COMPETE. When they see your phone blowing up every five minutes with messages from skirt she doesn't know, she gets real jealous real fast. The second lesson it taught me is how exhausting that level of attention is.

    I dare not exaggerate when I say that most men find that much fawning and attention and fussing utterly draining. I had five women in my orbit on strictly platonic terms (so as not to spoil the sample). And it was a revelation. Most men are simply unprepared to deal with that level of focus and competition. It's simply not in us to do that.

    And finally, the third lesson I learned was that a narcissistic man would probably do well in that kind of scenario. And the fact that women instinctively entice betas into their orbit specifically for attention... well, what does it say about women as a biological sex that they're actively building a social life that only a narcissistic man could hope to endure?
    My experience with females was rather non linear. I noticed a lot of things pre teens, how women were lauded and men would gather around them, hoping to get some attention or just bask in their alleged glory. That was in the 70's and 80's though. Women really were a little different then. There were consequences and not everything was in their favour as it was now.

    But I did notice that it seemed to be a silly game to get involved with.

    I actually had sex a number of times with different escorts before I even got a girlfriend. Whores are great to help understand the female mindset. Anyway, I also had interactions with women outside of that and did notice little things. It just took a while for everything to add up. I was quite a loner and still am I.

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    Re: when "let's be friends" upset you, you weren't being an asshole

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    If someone ever told me, "Let's be friends," I'd just say, "Sounds good to me" and then never contact her again, and never reply if she tried to contact me. I mean, who needs the face to face drama. Just get the hell out of there and move on, that's my cut at it.
    I would've agreed with you for much of my life, as I used to feel it was easier for me to avoid conflict and calling out peoples bullshit. The shitty behavior people display nowadays is due to no one calling out their crap, publicly or in private. What 99% of society needs is a bitch slap of truth in their face - if you use me I'm going to make damn sure you know I know it. It may deter them from doing it to someone else again in the future and it makes me feel good knowing they know they didn't pull one over on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2_Time_Loser View Post
    I would've agreed with you for much of my life, as I used to feel it was easier for me to avoid conflict and calling out peoples bullshit. The shitty behavior people display nowadays is due to no one calling out their crap, publicly or in private. What 99% of society needs is a bitch slap of truth in their face - if you use me I'm going to make damn sure you know I know it. It may deter them from doing it to someone else again in the future and it makes me feel good knowing they know they didn't pull one over on me.
    I understand your point, but the people you're talking about are almost certainly too stupid to comprehend why you're justifiably upset. Women like that will probably just think, "What an asshole." You're wasting your breath. If you're pissed off at some woman who has treated you like shit, and you need to vent at her, go ahead. Just don't do so with the expectation that she'll reform her behavior. She won't. She'll instead seek validation from other women, and even from some spineless men. They'll just tell her, "Oh, yeah, he was a jerk to pop off at you over friendship. Friendship is a wonderful thing."

    A woman can live her whole live as a manipulative, obnoxious bitch and have no idea that she's ever done anything wrong. In their mind, any time any man gets angry, it's because he's an evil misogynist oppressing women.

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    On the eve of Independence Day in America, I content myself with the knowledge that one of my forefathers probably shot one of Spooky's forefathers.

    I'm out. Peace.
    - Owen, 07.03.2022
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    I understand your point, but the people you're talking about are almost certainly too stupid to comprehend why you're justifiably upset. Women like that will probably just think, "What an asshole." You're wasting your breath. If you're pissed off at some woman who has treated you like shit, and you need to vent at her, go ahead. Just don't do so with the expectation that she'll reform her behavior. She won't. She'll instead seek validation from other women, and even from some spineless men. They'll just tell her, "Oh, yeah, he was a jerk to pop off at you over friendship. Friendship is a wonderful thing."

    A woman can live her whole live as a manipulative, obnoxious bitch and have no idea that she's ever done anything wrong. In their mind, any time any man gets angry, it's because he's an evil misogynist oppressing women.
    I would never expect a woman to change her ways in general, but I have talked with 30,000+ people in my Uber/Taxi/Towncar and had Taxicab Confession type of conversations with a lot of people. What I found was a moment of truth a lot of people had in their stories - where reality was in their face. You never know when you can be that 'defining moment' in someone's life - knowing the odds are against you, you still attempt the shot.

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    Re: when "let's be friends" upset you, you weren't being an asshole

    Quote Originally Posted by 2_Time_Loser View Post
    I would never expect a woman to change her ways in general, but I have talked with 30,000+ people in my Uber/Taxi/Towncar and had Taxicab Confession type of conversations with a lot of people. What I found was a moment of truth a lot of people had in their stories - where reality was in their face. You never know when you can be that 'defining moment' in someone's life - knowing the odds are against you, you still attempt the shot.
    That's really interesting. Thanks for sharing. Maybe there's some way women can understand deep down what we go through. I've quit hoping for it, though. Too many of them disappoint me by clinging to their dogma. You would think it would be blatantly obvious that feminist hate terms like "kill all men," "mansplaining," and "male tears" would provoke outrage among feminists, and huge numbers of them would say, "Stop that! We're about equality, and those kind of put-downs are counterproductive." But they don't. In their eyes men are subhuman and thus have no right to object to their behavior, no matter how hateful.

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    Re: when "let's be friends" upset you, you weren't being an asshole

    I think that most of us can look back at our blue-pilled days and cringe at what we were willing to do in the hopes of having a relationship with a woman. Yes, I was friend-zoned more than once and when I realized that I wanted more than "being friends" with her, but she didn't want that with me, I just moved on. On one occasion, the girl gave me the whole riot act: Just because I'm not into you that way doesn't mean we can't still be friends; is that I was worth to you? Because I'm not willing to get into bed with you, being friends didn't mean anything? My answer was that it wasn't her fault that she wasn't in to me, but being around her meant that I was constantly reminded of that. I was looking for something that she was unwilling to provide and if she was really my friend, she would respect that and let me search for what I wanted.

    Anyway, reading this brings up a bit of hypocrisy. What is a fairly common complaint a lot of women who are looking for something permanent have about men? They're all children, they won't commit, they won't put a ring on it or move in with me or let me move in with them. Well, isn't that the gender-swapped version of the friendzone?

    Think of a young couple; they both have their own place, they go on dates, enjoy each others' company and have a healthy sex life. The man is happy with this and sees no need to change it, but the woman wants something permanent, like cohabitation or marriage. What happens? Shame to the man. He's Peter Pan, wont grow up and take responsibility. He's using her for sex. He's just stringing her along.

    Now, think of a young man and woman who are friends. They both have their own place, they hang out and do things they enjoy with each other. Now, the young man gets romantic feelings towards the woman but she doesn't have them toward him, so he distances himself. What happens? Shame to the man. He only wanted sex. He never valued her as a person. He was only pretending to be her friend, hoping to get into her pants.

    The ironic thing is that the friendzoned man is doing the adult thing and moving on with his life while the woman with "the guy who wont commit" is doing the childish thing and sticking around demanding that he change.

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    Re: when "let's be friends" upset you, you weren't being an asshole

    There was a post in another MGTOW forum that was on the point about this. It was called "The Disrespect of The Friendzone"

    But I can no longer access that post. I wonder why

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    Re: when "let's be friends" upset you, you weren't being an asshole

    Ok, I'm talking now about my blue pilled days.

    I had a very few women who I was attracted to and they weren't interested in anything romantic but they genuinely wanted to be friends and treated me like that, take turns buying the coffee or drinks etc. They were ok.

    The worst ones who were in the majority tried to keep me on a leash to supply them with attention or things, letting me think there was still a chance, just that she hadn't made her mind up. They were poison and I deeply regret now not just ghosting them.

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    Re: when "let's be friends" upset you, you weren't being an asshole

    Quote Originally Posted by hereward View Post
    Ok, I'm talking now about my blue pilled days.....They were poison and I deeply regret now not just ghosting them.
    The important thing here is to inform the next generation of young men and help them to avoid those mistakes if possible.

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    Re: when "let's be friends" upset you, you weren't being an asshole

    Quote Originally Posted by OwenWentFullMGTOW View Post
    I've wondered how men have been RP'ed by hookers.

    The "Girlfriend Experience" is a known thing these days. And I've wondered about it. Hookers can turn it on and turn it off at will. So, you'd think other women can do the same thing. Presumably, they can flip the same Girlfriend Experience switch that a hooker can.

    What does it say about women that they all possess this ability?

    Further, what does it say about every "successful relationship" that I (for example) have ever had. Were ANY of them real? My ego wants to say yes, they all loved me (or my attitude or my dick or whatever). But did she?

    I think we all know the answer to that.

    You know you've hit the bottom of the RP rabbit hole when you realize that literally the only thing hookers do is simplify the transaction. It's the other women who add in all the complications. But the transaction remains the same: sex in exchange for resources.

    The worst thing you can say about hookers is they've boiled the feminine transaction down to its bare essence. They've removed the bullshit. But they all have The Girlfriend Switch. And they can all flip it on or off whenever they want.

    So, why wouldn't it be on all the time once they have committed relationship?

    I think we all know the answer to that too.
    A lot of the "Power" they have comes from the man making it so. When I was younger and would see strippers for example I would sit there and feel like she was stripping just for me! Of course she wasn't, there was an audience. I even knew that back then. I was making it a big deal for myself.

    Same with escorts, I was brought up at a time when it was believed that women didn't like sex and only did it for their man. That sex was a special thing blah blah. To be with these hookers at first was a weird thing, how should I be with them? I realized quickly it was no big deal at all to them at all.

    Women get off on the concept of their own sensuality, the whole ego thing again really. So getting paid for sex is super exciting for them. It affirms they are amazing and sexual creatures. They just never stop to consider the guy is just getting off and she wasn't available a hot apple pie would be just as good.

    And yes, Hookers "simplify" the transaction. It is the most honest and probably cheapest sex you will ever get. An escort told me that some guys (total Simps) ask if they should buy her dinner or provide some kind of gift, she tells them to just pay the agreed amount as "I'm a done deal".

    There are some hookers though who totally exploit it and have a list of gifts etc that simps can give them. It is rather sad but thankfully the Simps are in decline.
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    This Alexander Grace is great

    Thanks for the post TigPlaze
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    When a girl hit me with the "just be friends" tagline, assuming she was legitimately nice company I will accept the friendship on 2 conditions

    1.she must pay for her own shit when we hang out
    2. No cock blocking/getting bitchy when I look at other women for sex

    If she follow those two rules and she not an ass(the golden rule) I am fine with being friends with her

    Oftentimes they will remove themselves from my life because I pretty much told them I will not simp for them lol. Which great because I either remove a parasite or get a new friend, a win win for me

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    Re: when "let's be friends" upset you, you weren't being an asshole

    Quote Originally Posted by FangBlade View Post
    When a girl hit me with the "just be friends" tagline, assuming she was legitimately nice company I will accept the friendship on 2 conditions

    1.she must pay for her own shit when we hang out
    2. No cock blocking/getting bitchy when I look at other women for sex

    If she follow those two rules and she not an ass(the golden rule) I am fine with being friends with her

    Oftentimes they will remove themselves from my life because I pretty much told them I will not simp for them lol. Which great because I either remove a parasite or get a new friend, a win win for me
    You are clearly smoking crack. No woman will ever follow those rules. IDGAF how many times women say they are strong and independent. They NEED men even if its simps to help them. I don't bother with women at all anymore but if I was "friend zoned" then she'd never hear from me again. Why would I want to be an emotional tampon? She has her girls for that. Why would I want to hear about how she is getting loads blown in her by Pookie or Chad? Get away from me!
    Stay away from women. They will only break your heart.

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    Re: when "let's be friends" upset you, you weren't being an asshole

    Even in my Blue pilled days, I never accepted LJBF. I always say it as, OK, so you get some benefits of me becoming an orbitor. (My services, resources, or whatever) but I no longer get the only thing from you that interested me. No thanks.

    I actually recently had this happen. I met this chick who was like 13 yrs younger than me. We smashed the day we met (wasn't even a date.) We continued smashing for a few weeks constantly then out of nowhere she LJBF'd me and I told her I had enough friends and didn't block her, just ignored her.

    She can't understand why I don't want to be her friend... I can't think of any reason to be this woman's friend.

    Women are so delusional about their worth.


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