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    What is your solution ?

    Back at high school we used to have organised class debates on “social and moral issues” such as Abortion and the death penalty. One day the subject of debate was “should we go to war against Iraq ?” NOTE ! - This was the 1991 Gulf War - Wikipedia which I fully supported, not the more questionable 2003 invasion.

    The problem I encountered is that those who opposed this war kept talking about “more time for negotiations”. The problem is at what point do you stop negotiating and take actual action ? 3 months, 1 year, 3 years ??? especially with someone who has a track record like this. Halabja chemical attack - Wikipedia. Keep digging and you eventually find that they simply don’t have an answer. All you will get is “but I wouldn’t go to war”.

    This is an issue that I see on an almost daily basis, people complain about or describe a problem but never offer a workable solution themselves to that problem.

    This is often seen in the manosphere, with too many people watching yet another 2 hour YouTube video on hypergamy and changing nothing in their lives.

    Take for example a man who makes the following statement…..

    “Never get married, it’s far too risky in this day and age, get your sexual needs met by just banging hookers instead”.

    There are some obvious flaws to his advice namely.

    • The availability of getting hookers in the part of the world in which you live.
    • An individual's income and the price of a hooker.
    • High SMV men would be better off going down the PUA route.


    This man is at least offering a partial solution that a significant percentage of men could follow. Compare this to a man who makes the following statement.

    “Never get married to or live with a woman who is a single mother, or over 35 years of age, or has had more than 5 previous sexual partners, or earns more than you, or has daddy issues”

    At first glance he appears to be offering sound advice until you scratch the surface.


    • YES - getting married to a 36 year old carousel rider in 2021 is a completely different ball game to getting married to a 20 year old virgin in 1951. But this is basic entry level manosphere/red pill knowledge, hardly cutting edge.
    • Unlike the first example he is not directly giving you an alternative.
    • Unlike the first example he is clearly not directly telling you to “never get married”.
    • The really disturbing thing he is indirectly telling you (if you dig deep enough) to find (and marry) a traditional, low body count woman (good luck with finding her !) and just be more “Alpha”.


    If you are never planning to get married or live with a woman, none of this should even matter in the first place. Who cares if she's a single mother if you are in a casual / friends with benefits type arrangement. Yes be prepared to bail the moment she tries to get serious or cuts off the sex. Your criteria for non-serious relationships should be different. Women You Should NOT Have Sex With - Alpha Male 2.0 (calebjones.com)

    I see this mindset a lot, men who call themselves red pilled but are the more right wing conservative types indirectly promoting and longing for a return to 1951 marriage which of course is never going to happen.

    Always ask the question: What is your solution ?

    Men are becoming MGTOW by the millions, most without ever having heard the term. They are simply doing what all living organisms finding themselves in a toxic environment do. They adapt to it or remove themselves from it. Females are not liking either the adaptations or the removal.

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    Back at high school we used to have organised class debates on “social and moral issues” such as Abortion and the death penalty. One day the subject of debate was “should we go to war against Iraq ?” NOTE ! - This was the 1991 Gulf War - Wikipedia which I fully supported, not the more questionable 2003 invasion.

    The problem I encountered is that those who opposed this war kept talking about “more time for negotiations”. The problem is at what point do you stop negotiating and take actual action ? 3 months, 1 year, 3 years ??? especially with someone who has a track record like this. Halabja chemical attack - Wikipedia. Keep digging and you eventually find that they simply don’t have an answer. All you will get is “but I wouldn’t go to war”.

    This is an issue that I see on an almost daily basis, people complain about or describe a problem but never offer a workable solution themselves to that problem.

    This is often seen in the manosphere, with too many people watching yet another 2 hour YouTube video on hypergamy and changing nothing in their lives.

    Take for example a man who makes the following statement…..

    “Never get married, it’s far too risky in this day and age, get your sexual needs met by just banging hookers instead”.

    There are some obvious flaws to his advice namely.

    • The availability of getting hookers in the part of the world in which you live.
    • An individual's income and the price of a hooker.
    • High SMV men would be better off going down the PUA route.


    This man is at least offering a partial solution that a significant percentage of men could follow. Compare this to a man who makes the following statement.

    “Never get married to or live with a woman who is a single mother, or over 35 years of age, or has had more than 5 previous sexual partners, or earns more than you, or has daddy issues”

    At first glance he appears to be offering sound advice until you scratch the surface.


    • YES - getting married to a 36 year old carousel rider in 2021 is a completely different ball game to getting married to a 20 year old virgin in 1951. But this is basic entry level manosphere/red pill knowledge, hardly cutting edge.
    • Unlike the first example he is not directly giving you an alternative.
    • Unlike the first example he is clearly not directly telling you to “never get married”.
    • The really disturbing thing he is indirectly telling you (if you dig deep enough) to find (and marry) a traditional, low body count woman (good luck with finding her !) and just be more “Alpha”.


    If you are never planning to get married or live with a woman, none of this should even matter in the first place. Who cares if she's a single mother if you are in a casual / friends with benefits type arrangement. Yes be prepared to bail the moment she tries to get serious or cuts off the sex. Your criteria for non-serious relationships should be different. Women You Should NOT Have Sex With - Alpha Male 2.0 (calebjones.com)

    I see this mindset a lot, men who call themselves red pilled but are the more right wing conservative types indirectly promoting and longing for a return to 1951 marriage which of course is never going to happen.

    Always ask the question: What is your solution ?

    Solutions are best made at the earliest possible moment under any circumstance.

    A feather coming to rest on a helmsman's wheel during a long voyage has more of an effect on the future than a hard rudder turn in the heat of the moment.

    Ignorance is the sea lane to destruction, recognition charts the course to safety and security.

    Benefit of the doubt is a form of self delusional gaslighting and blinding, not to be construed with guilty before proven innocent, it's more a purgatory for swift judgment and promotes proper tempering.

    Rather than being a doormat focused on the mud in you life, isn't it better to have precautionary standards? Where instead of being a doormat, you and your friends take turns on each-other's magic carpets?

    Some people spend their entire lives cleaning their doormat, while others ride on magic carpets that bring them to places they otherwise never would have seen!

    My relationshits with women were like hauling bags mud from one place to another, only to end up internally filthy thirsting more and more for clean!

    Let the monkeys ravage the jungle, I don't have time or inclination to be a monkey branch tree!

    The sexual/cultural revolution has transformed this society to a mudhole of happy pigs. I say let them wallow as they please and stay far enough away to avoid the STINK!

    I traded misery for paradise, happiness for horrors. I'm on a timeline that runs decades strong with no end in sight. I don't look back at the 50's wearing my cuckeroid slacks wishing that things could be, I'm focused on the here and now and how everything relates to me. I'm right wing conservative running on modified plans on an ever changing battlefield with tactics that can't be beat! I'm in a war of attrition because a war of attrition has been perpetuated against me!

    The war against men and masculinity can declare their victory, as for me, I'm just a refugee.

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    Maybe we should kill all the Chads? Just kidding Owen.

    I like to think I can find a solution to most problems, but I'm damned if I see an answer for this one.

    Trouble is, they don't need us no more. Maybe when it gets bad enough that the government can't or won't support them anymore, their attitude will change. But by then we'll have a lot worse things to worry about.

    I don't believe 100% of women are bad. I've seen different, and there's exceptions to every rule. That don't mean we're likely to get lucky. We're not, but a very few guys might do alright.

    One nice fact, of the few winners I have known, all married guys no carousel rider would look at.
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    Re: What is your solution ?

    MGTOW is the solution.

    What do you mean what is the solution that's supposed to be offered. That's a trad cuck argument. You need to leave the snow globe of "I want 1950s marriage but that doesn't exist anymore, so you come up with a time machine to like....make it work."

    Marriage is dead. Want to get married? Enjoy your time in hell. No one is stopping you and marriage is, unfortunately, still legally recognized. Unlike all those losers, I'm sure your marriage will be perfect. Those losers were just incels after all.

    Solutions

    Don't get married or cohabitate. Have all the LTRs you want, but avoiding either of those avoids 99% of your legal problems you have zero control over. Because women have a harder time gold digging without that power. And gold digging is the only reason they form relationships in the first place. They prefer government fiat to get it.

    You don't need hookers. By all means enjoy, or realize that all women are hookers. Get a SB or a classically trained whore if you have the cash, google "free porn" if you don't. If men spent less time lamenting over women, and more time figuring out how to sexually explore their bodies, they'd never spend a dime on a woman again. Of course, my opinion is based on my having multiple-orgasmic abilities, and being the greatest masturbator on the planet. I've never paid for pussy in my life.

    Stop trad cucking. It's over. Women are biologically, historically, and always, 100% gold diggers. Women have exclaimed in one powerful voice, "We don't want you!". There are no more girls who want "traditional" anything. If they're saying they do, they're lying, to shore up a thot pension from blooper simps.

    Let the trad cucks enjoy their failed lives because they have weapons grade retardation and denial of reality. That's a solution right there. Kill the stupid that caused all this.

    Marriage is ancient religious dumb-fuckery designed for sheep to secure property inheritance. Let the bronze age religious tards come up with "muh solution".

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    My solution has been to leave women alone. It's a simple logic test for me. I don't want children. I feel it would be cruel to raise children in a world overrun with humans and in a society that has turned against them.

    As such, no kids equals no marriage. I don't need a wife for companionship. I would be giving legal leverage to a woman and I would no longer have a monopoly over my time or money. Every relationship I've been in has taught me that I am not built for being in one. I may be just a tad too selfish (not unkind), to make the level of compromises I see my friends in relationships making.

    No marriage means no dating. I simply can't tolerate the slog that modern dating has become. My few married friends all met their wives in college. I did not have the same experience. My college girlfriends all had issues. Every girlfriend since has been more of the same. Every date a complete waste. Basically, the good ones are mostly taken anyway. I see the frustration my friends have with dating. These are quality dudes that women would have clamored for in the past. They bitch about the "lack" of marriageable men, and here are dudes that are 6ft+, make 6 figures, in shape and raised well. One is a firefighter, went to private schools, just a great, dependable, respectful dude, but not a pushover. Women just flake on him. So I get to see the dating world vicariously through these guys. It's not pretty, and the women that are still available are not worthy of our time, money or affection.

    On the upside, I don't care all that much for sex. It's ok, even good sometimes. It's always just been fun in the moment, hollow afterwards. Now, I see so much hate and angst between the genders. I don't hate women, but I know many hate me simply for being a male. Plus, I think feminism is an excuse for women to behave like children. It's funny that they claim to not have equal rights. Legally, they have more rights- no selective service, all the reproductive rights, etc. Nowadays they want all the rights and none of the responsibility. I think society views men as disposable and always has. I think modern men and women are largely incompatible. Maybe we always have been, but women had no other option than to put up with us. Maybe they actually were happier before feminism convinced them that being a wage slave like men was actually a better life. I won't philosophize on that. All I know is women have disrupted my life in the past, they pose a potential legal threat to me in marriage and in the workplace and they don't seem to actually like or respect men all that much anymore. As such, I choose to give them what they want. I'll leave them alone and the end result is my life is mine. I have more than enough money, and plenty of time to pursue my interests.

    So what if they want to hate me or call me a monster for being born male? That's cool. I'll be over here hanging with my dog. Snowboarding, playing guitar and stacking my paper. One less dude for them to abuse. And one less man that could abuse them. It's a win win. They want us to go away? Don't have to tell me twice. Oh no, you mean I don't have to be nagged or put up with their BS games? No rugrats to worry about? No colleges to pay for? I wonder how I'll survive!
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    I remember at the time of Desert Storm that while they talk about more time for negotiations that people in the invaded areas are suffering. The Doves have this idea that until actual war starts (which it did anyway the second Iraq invaded Kuwait) that no one suffers or dies.

    I learned through others, particularly my father. I saw the way my grandparents (his in laws) treated him, I saw the way my mother treated him after divorce and even during marriage. I saw that to appeal to a woman was nothing short of appeasement and bribery. I ended up losing my virginity to an escort when I was 17, it was the first time I had done anything at all with a woman. I saw it as a means of avoiding the drama of women and their friends, families etc.

    As I got older I saw women's only rooms in universities because for some reason I was seen as a threat because I am male. Yet they still wanted or hoped for my protection when they needed it!

    I just saw the whole thing as a joke. Where men were beggars and expected to be grateful for any little scraps a woman threw at them. I have been walking away my whole life and it hasn't just been from women.

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    the only winning move is not to play or play no feeling whatsoever...but that takes a lot of discipline

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by flying View Post
    the only winning move is not to play or play no feeling whatsoever...but that takes a lot of discipline
    Interesting responses, most people on here have it nailed on. Unfortunately this is only one small corner of the manosphere.
    The purpose of my post was to highlight issues in the rapidly growing "men's advice" industry in general. Far too many of them are subconsciously pushing 1951 marriage.
    Men are becoming MGTOW by the millions, most without ever having heard the term. They are simply doing what all living organisms finding themselves in a toxic environment do. They adapt to it or remove themselves from it. Females are not liking either the adaptations or the removal.

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    Back at high school we used to have organised class debates on “social and moral issues” such as Abortion and the death penalty. One day the subject of debate was “should we go to war against Iraq ?” NOTE ! - This was the 1991 Gulf War - Wikipedia which I fully supported, not the more questionable 2003 invasion.

    The problem I encountered is that those who opposed this war kept talking about “more time for negotiations”. The problem is at what point do you stop negotiating and take actual action ? 3 months, 1 year, 3 years ??? especially with someone who has a track record like this. Halabja chemical attack - Wikipedia. Keep digging and you eventually find that they simply don’t have an answer. All you will get is “but I wouldn’t go to war”.

    This is an issue that I see on an almost daily basis, people complain about or describe a problem but never offer a workable solution themselves to that problem.

    This is often seen in the manosphere, with too many people watching yet another 2 hour YouTube video on hypergamy and changing nothing in their lives.

    Take for example a man who makes the following statement…..

    “Never get married, it’s far too risky in this day and age, get your sexual needs met by just banging hookers instead”.

    There are some obvious flaws to his advice namely.

    • The availability of getting hookers in the part of the world in which you live.
    • An individual's income and the price of a hooker.
    • High SMV men would be better off going down the PUA route.


    This man is at least offering a partial solution that a significant percentage of men could follow. Compare this to a man who makes the following statement.

    “Never get married to or live with a woman who is a single mother, or over 35 years of age, or has had more than 5 previous sexual partners, or earns more than you, or has daddy issues”

    At first glance he appears to be offering sound advice until you scratch the surface.


    • YES - getting married to a 36 year old carousel rider in 2021 is a completely different ball game to getting married to a 20 year old virgin in 1951. But this is basic entry level manosphere/red pill knowledge, hardly cutting edge.
    • Unlike the first example he is not directly giving you an alternative.
    • Unlike the first example he is clearly not directly telling you to “never get married”.
    • The really disturbing thing he is indirectly telling you (if you dig deep enough) to find (and marry) a traditional, low body count woman (good luck with finding her !) and just be more “Alpha”.


    If you are never planning to get married or live with a woman, none of this should even matter in the first place. Who cares if she's a single mother if you are in a casual / friends with benefits type arrangement. Yes be prepared to bail the moment she tries to get serious or cuts off the sex. Your criteria for non-serious relationships should be different. Women You Should NOT Have Sex With - Alpha Male 2.0 (calebjones.com)

    I see this mindset a lot, men who call themselves red pilled but are the more right wing conservative types indirectly promoting and longing for a return to 1951 marriage which of course is never going to happen.

    Always ask the question: What is your solution ?

    My solution is to use a surrogate and get a sexdoll! That's what I'm planning to do! Women are far more trouble than they're worth nowadays!!!
    When regarding WOMEN:

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    Close your heart to their desperation. Close your heart to their suffering. Do not allow yourself to feel for them. They will not feel for you!!!"

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    “Never get married, it’s far too risky in this day and age, get your sexual needs met by just banging hookers instead”.

    There are some obvious flaws to his advice namely.

    • The availability of getting hookers in the part of the world in which you live.
    • An individual's income and the price of a hooker.
    • High SMV men would be better off going down the PUA route.


    This man is at least offering a partial solution that a significant percentage of men could follow. Compare this to a man who makes the following statement.
    I didn't want to quote your entire post. Nevertheless, I disagree with virtually all of it.

    For example, the hooker thing. The joke goes that free pussy is the most expensive of all. It's true. Whereas with a hooker, both of you know what's expected of you. Your association is probably brief and certainly transactional in nature.

    For another thing, I have little use for the PUA thing. My view is they're still chasing pussy. They do so on their own terms, of course. But the end result is basically the same. Rather than simping, they use Game to get what they want. Different methods, same desired outcome.

    And, I would argue, the same basic risks involved with conventional dating/hookups such as daddy baiting, sperm-jacking, false accusations, etc. None of which apply with hookers.

    Most relevant of all, I don't think manosphere writers are necessarily obligated to "provide an alternative". We're supposed to be going our own way. Ergo, my path isn't the same as your path. Or anyone else's, for that matter. I know a guy who's basically MGTOW and his solution is focusing on his religion. He gets a lot out of that but I'm pretty sure a lot of MGTOW's wouldn't be able to say the same thing.

    My path involves a deep focus on career and moneymaking. I'm well on my way to an early retirement. But a lot of MGTOW's couldn't care less about retirement. What they want is to have a more balanced life and enjoy downtime, family time, bro time, etc., while they're still young.

    Anyway, I disagree with you, nuff said.

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    Asking my decision on what to do for a solution to the current issues my society has chosen for itself... seems to presume that I have some obligation to provide a solution, and you are now just asking me to specify exactly what solution I am offering to meet that obligation.

    Let me back up a little here. No one has successfully made the case to me that I have an obligation to provide society with any solution to the problems it chose for itself. Society, after all, is half women by population numbers, and arguably more than half by influence over the decisions that created these issues.

    So, let me clarify: I DO NOT OWE any particular woman marriage to me, or the benefits thereof. And, I DO NOT OWE my half female, gynocentric society as a group the benefits it would receive from me SHOULD I CHOOSE to marry one of its individual members.

    I have CHOSEN a path that most reliably benefits me. And while I accept that making a different choice might have benefitted one woman, or the collective of women, and while I accept that one of those benefits would have been the avoidance of, or a solution to these issues... NONE of these circumstances obligates me to provide those benefits. The intensity of the need for a solution does not proportionally translate into the intensity of my obligation to meet that need.

    The benefits that an individual woman would have gotten from my marriage to her, and the benefits to the collective of women that make up a majority of my society would have gotten from my marriage to one of them... were, and have always been GIFTS, NOT DEBTS.

    At best, those gifts might have been part of some reciprocal, mutually beneficial arrangement. But even then, they were not debts or obligations. It was always voluntary.

    My choices have benefitted me greatly. The taxes I've paid on the money I've earned for the value I have produced have benefitted society greatly. They have had essentially zero impact on anyone else individually, as my main choice was just a choice to be absent. Rent, taxes, membership dues, cover charges, alimony, spousal support, child support, and chivalry in all its forms are all the obligatory expenses of someone who is, or has been, or wishes to be PRESENT. I am absent.

    Now, perhaps, we can look at the issue a slightly different way: It is not my absence that creates the issue that my gynocentric society seems to be complaining about. It is just the absence of my participation fees.

    What I would say to anyone seeking a solution to the absence of all these participation expenses is to proceed as you did before I arrived here, or to proceed as though I have already died and gone. Because while I may still be alive, I am most certainly gone.

    OP already answered the question best in the following line:

    If you are never planning to get married or live with a woman, none of this should even matter in the first place.

    The solution you ask for is a solution to the problem of having no women in your life. That is a problem for some men. It is not a problem for me. For those men for whom this is a problem, my solution is to navigate to a different set of women in a different society, (perhaps rural Asian). If enough men make my choice, or make this choice to seek women of a different society elsewhere, the unacceptable women in western society, and the toxic ideology that makes them unacceptable, would essentially be bred out of existence in one generation. Wether or not that occurs will depend on how unacceptable they become, and to what fraction of men they become unacceptable...
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    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    Trouble is, they don't need us no more. Maybe when it gets bad enough that the government can't or won't support them anymore, their attitude will change.
    And herein lies the problem. This is where I feel most mgtows are only hanging around, looking for a group to lean on until things get better, until women can need them again. The farce of it all is sickening because you can see that even men who claim they understand female nature understands very little of themselves. Most men are slaves and most men wants to be slaves. Until you can fully grasp the weighty reality of your disposability in relation to women and society at large you have ways to go in your mgtow journey. Until then it's only lip service.

    Even if women are "great again," if women come back to the table, if they want to submit again (which is never happening, the pandora box is shattered), what is there to go back to? They'd only be doing it because they are "forced" to. They don't love you, they can't love you. Their very nature permits no such things. Traditionalism and the nuclear family is a sham, but most men want to be lull back to sleep again. Men are such romantics it's sickening.

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    The title of the thread is “What is your solution?”

    But solution to what?

    Before one can even begin to find a solution one must identify the problem.

    Stanmsl in the O.P. uses overseas conflicts as a segue in to the problems facing men today. Initially I didn’t see the correlation but it is there nonetheless.

    The West is constantly sticking it’s nose in the conflicts of others and I think maybe herein lies at least part of the problem.

    Before anyone gets on my case I’m not saying there is no justification for the West getting involved in such things, I’m just pointing out a mind-set.

    A mind-set of “We know best.”

    This inevitably leads to the situation we find ourselves in today with regards male / female relationships.

    Everyone thinks “We know best.”

    It used to be called “political correctness”.

    All it is is one group thinking their way is better than every other group’s way. This is where the conflict lies.

    So, back to the initial question: “What is your solution?”

    If by this you mean my personal solution, it is leaving all this shit behind and doing my own thing.

    If, however, you mean what is my solution to the problem in general: simple, there is none.

    People, for whatever reason will always come together in groups to force others to think / act like them because they are deluded enough to think that they know what is best for everyone, or more likely because they believe they have something to gain.

    This is the nature of the beast. To try to break this nature only serves to make you one of the delusional fools that thinks you know what’s best for everyone else.

    So, this brings me back to my personal solution: leave such questions alone and try to live your own life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    And herein lies the problem. This is where I feel most mgtows are only hanging around, looking for a group to lean on until things get better, until women can need them again. The farce of it all is sickening because you can see that even men who claim they understand female nature understands very little of themselves. Most men are slaves and most men wants to be slaves. Until you can fully grasp the weighty reality of your disposability in relation to women and society at large you have ways to go in your mgtow journey. Until then it's only lip service.

    Even if women are "great again," if women come back to the table, if they want to submit again (which is never happening, the pandora box is shattered), what is there to go back to? They'd only be doing it because they are "forced" to. They don't love you, they can't love you. Their very nature permit no such things. Traditionalism and the nuclear family is a sham, but most men want to be lull back to sleep again. Men are such romantics it's sickening.
    Tldr- stop expecting things to go back to the way "they were." GYOW does not make women miss or want your presence. Society is irreversibly changed. Live your life for you, do the things that matter to you. Many women are doing it, why aren't you?

    Amen. People really fail to understand how societies evolve. Women have never had a particular need of men beyond having children and survival. Now that feminism has "liberated" them into lives of being wage slaves, it's apparent to many that men are no longer necessary. They may not be "happy" in the new normal, but just like MGTOW, many now realize they no longer have to tolerate husbands. Men and women have always been incompatible to an extent. We're animals capable of abstract reasoning and are far removed from the natural order.

    Humans do not need the other gender for anything beyond satisfying sexual preference. Even then, women have much higher rates of sexual fluidity. A woman with her own means and no desire for living with a male partner could easily satisfy any sexual desires with another woman. Most men cannot. For men like me, it's either put up with all the negatives of dealing with women for the upside of sex with a female partner.

    So what's my point? In short, I can't believe how many men expect a slide back to the "way things were." To what? Women with no option beyond living lives of quiet desperation with husbands they hate? Men working their asses off to provide the sole income for families they never really wanted and their discontented wives? Society is like a slide rule and "progress" moves that slide further down to one side. It might move back a little from time to time, but the end result is inevitable. For example, PC commentary is now the rule, not the exception. Most people were religious, now agnosticism and atheism are becoming the norm (already are in Europe). Social media is still growing despite the know dangers.

    There's no going back. There will be no grand awakening. No coming back to religion/ tradition. No women leaving the workforce in mass numbers. No abandonment of feminism and misandry. No shirking of social media. The institutions so many remember so fondly are irreparably changed. People won't be starting families, joining churches or repopulating the small towns again.

    So what's the solution? For most men it should be to become like most women. Recognize that there is little to no utility in the other gender in terms of personal relationships and act accordingly. If you want sex with a female, do so at your own risk. When dealing with strangers, treat everyone the same- as a fellow human and nothing more. Be respectful to those deserving respect, do more good than harm. Dedicate your life to a career, trade, craft, hobbies, interests, friends, family and the pursuit of knowledge.

    Beyond that, just sit back and enjoy the decline. It's inevitable and not something to stir emotions. Societies come and go, empires rise and fall. We're just overthinking apes riding around on a rock in space. 100 years from now, none of this matters. Other apes will be running around making a mess of things, hating other apes.

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post

    So, back to the initial question: “What is your solution?”

    If by this you mean my personal solution, it is leaving all this shit behind and doing my own thing.

    If, however, you mean what is my solution to the problem in general: simple, there is none.
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    There ya go. That's it, nothing else need be said.
    Last edited by Toolband89; November 28, 2021 at 11:44 PM.

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    Hookers dont work after you have been married and had that golden illusion of intimacy and love. Well. thats been my experience

    If I had to do it all over? Id work my butt off, make a ton of money and put all my assets in trust where my wife couldnt get em if she divorced me

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toolband89 View Post

    Originally Posted by flying

    So, back to the initial question: “What is your solution?”

    If by this you mean my personal solution, it is leaving all this shit behind and doing my own thing.

    If, however, you mean what is my solution to the problem in general: simple, there is none.
    There ya go. That's it, nothing else need be said.
    Erm. I think you may be quoting me there and not "flying".

    Not a problem, but I'm kinda interested in the technical side of the misquote though.

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Erm. I think you may be quoting me there and not "flying".

    Not a problem, but I'm kinda interested in the technical side of the misquote though.
    Yep, it's you. I'll fix it in a second. It's part of the joy of trying to do this on a tablet. When you select "reply with quote", the text field seems to bring up multiple quotes. I find that I have to try to edit them down to the quote I want, but it's very easy to erase the wrong portions, use the wrong quote blocks, etc.

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toolband89 View Post
    Yep, it's you. I'll fix it in a second. It's part of the joy of trying to do this on a tablet. When you select "reply with quote", the text field seems to bring up multiple quotes. I find that I have to try to edit them down to the quote I want, but it's very easy to erase the wrong portions, use the wrong quote blocks, etc.
    Hmm. Interesting, to me at least.

    So, you get multiple quotes appearing and you have to “cut” the sections that are irrelevant. I can see how this could easily lead to what happened here.

    I haven’t seen this particular phenomenon, but I have seen other things that seem to defy explanation.

    For example, when browsing I cannot see many of the pictures posted unless I’m logged on, then they are visible. This makes no sense to me.

    Also, if I wish to post a picture or a video the buttons are blacked out. I have to guess that the left button is “Yes, do it” or something similar, and the right button is “cancel”. While this works for me, I would prefer not to have to guess.

    And they say technology makes things easier. Hmmpf.

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Hmm. Interesting, to me at least.

    So, you get multiple quotes appearing and you have to “cut” the sections that are irrelevant. I can see how this could easily lead to what happened here.

    I haven’t seen this particular phenomenon, but I have seen other things that seem to defy explanation.

    For example, when browsing I cannot see many of the pictures posted unless I’m logged on, then they are visible. This makes no sense to me.

    Also, if I wish to post a picture or a video the buttons are blacked out. I have to guess that the left button is “Yes, do it” or something similar, and the right button is “cancel”. While this works for me, I would prefer not to have to guess.

    And they say technology makes things easier. Hmmpf.
    It may also be my browser- DuckDuckGo
    Last edited by Toolband89; November 29, 2021 at 6:59 AM.


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