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    Re: What is your solution ?

    What is the problem? For there to be a solution you must first identify the problem. Is the problem that women do not bring enough value to a household to justify including them? Then don't include them. Is the problem that your personal SMV is not high enough to get you laid (for free)? Increase your SMV. Is the problem that marriage is failing and that is causing societal breakdown? Thats a much longer answer that i have been planning to make a video on for some time.

    The issue here is that the manosphere, and even mgtow itself, do not agree on what precisely we are trying to adress, much less what outcome we want in the course of getting it addressed.

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    Single moms and divorcees are old news to us, but there's young lurkers out there a thread like this might help.

    I went decades without a clue how destructive these women could be. I didn't even think about it. After you get so old, their all somebody's ex. All that saved my ass was back then schmucks like me were a dime a dozen. In today's economic climate, an ignorant guy with a living wage would be snapped up fast.

    I didn't get smart till I ended up here, but it wouldn't a mattered much. Back then I don't think I'd a believed you if you had warned me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgmarx View Post

    The issue here is that the manosphere, and even mgtow itself, do not agree on what precisely we are trying to adress, much less what outcome we want in the course of getting it addressed.
    I'll agree to an extent, especially about the manosphere (MRA, incels, etc). They don't know what they want. I'd say there are plenty of angry MGTOW too, hoping for something to change. Maybe some of that anger is justified in the right context, but MGTOW isn't about addressing problems. It's not even a centralized group. Much like how liberals claim ANTIFA is not an actual group (funny how they manage to organize events though), MGTOW is meant to be a personal choice/ journey. Sure we can talk about problems in places like this- the state of modern dating, the decline of marriage, legal issues, etc. But, in the end, most of us are jut doing our own thing. We don't expect anything to change nor would we care if they did. These issues are not germane to our lives. In a sense, MGTOW is simply a form of detachment.

    I don't care if there's a sudden social awakening and society reverts back to the 50s (a seemingly common wish I see in the "manosphere." I don't care if women quit the workforce in droves, throw on dresses and men start wearing suits en masse. I don't care if there's a new baby boom and a return to religion and a sense of community. I'll still be over here doing my own thing. It's the best choice for my life. I don't even care for the term "MGTOW," as it creates a group label.

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DangZagnut View Post
    MGTOW is the solution.

    What do you mean what is the solution that's supposed to be offered. That's a trad cuck argument. You need to leave the snow globe of "I want 1950s marriage but that doesn't exist anymore, so you come up with a time machine to like....make it work."

    Marriage is dead. Want to get married? Enjoy your time in hell. No one is stopping you and marriage is, unfortunately, still legally recognized. Unlike all those losers, I'm sure your marriage will be perfect. Those losers were just incels after all.

    Solutions

    Don't get married or cohabitate. Have all the LTRs you want, but avoiding either of those avoids 99% of your legal problems you have zero control over. Because women have a harder time gold digging without that power. And gold digging is the only reason they form relationships in the first place. They prefer government fiat to get it.

    You don't need hookers. By all means enjoy, or realize that all women are hookers. Get a SB or a classically trained whore if you have the cash, google "free porn" if you don't. If men spent less time lamenting over women, and more time figuring out how to sexually explore their bodies, they'd never spend a dime on a woman again. Of course, my opinion is based on my having multiple-orgasmic abilities, and being the greatest masturbator on the planet. I've never paid for pussy in my life.

    Stop trad cucking. It's over. Women are biologically, historically, and always, 100% gold diggers. Women have exclaimed in one powerful voice, "We don't want you!". There are no more girls who want "traditional" anything. If they're saying they do, they're lying, to shore up a thot pension from blooper simps.

    Let the trad cucks enjoy their failed lives because they have weapons grade retardation and denial of reality. That's a solution right there. Kill the stupid that caused all this.

    Marriage is ancient religious dumb-fuckery designed for sheep to secure property inheritance. Let the bronze age religious tards come up with "muh solution".

    This.

    Just one more important "solution" I can add, as always: Creating new pro-mgtow technologies.

    Technologies, more than just ideologies and laws change the world, for bad and good, specially nowadays.

    I already wrote a thread about technologies as FemBots and Artificial Wombs, for instance. And other interesting new techs can be created as well when this topic become more and more popular among Mgtows.

    https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgto...bs-news-14059/

    Of course, creating those things are not easy. Its really better just "enjoy the collapse" for the moment. But for those who want new and real solutions will need to think more and more about new technologies.
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    Most of everything been said really, mgtow is the solution - do your thing and enjoy life, it can all burn and I wouldn't lose any sleep over it - not your problem.
    Pandora's box is open, poor simps will never get to go back to their 1950's fantasies - all they can hope for is to be a used up ladies last choice or beta-provider, more power to em, someone has to keep society at large going while I chill.

    Forego female relationships completely, hookers ain't legal where I live - too much trouble. Use your hand and get on with your day.

    You can either love women or understand them & mgtow automatically makes the first option impossible.

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    There is but 1 thing that would take women back to their correct place in society: The removal of electricity totally, completely, instantaneously with no idea if it is ever coming back. I saw it on a small scale during the North East Black out of 2003 while living in Michigan.

    After 2-3 days of absolutely nothing, zero comms no idea what happened and no idea if it would ever come back on every women was submissive, scared shitless and looking for a man. All the feminism was out the window NOW.

    We built the world that allows this. It will continue as long as the power does.

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    There is but 1 thing that would take women back to their correct place in society: The removal of electricity totally, completely, instantaneously with no idea if it is ever coming back. I saw it on a small scale during the North East Black out of 2003 while living in Michigan.

    After 2-3 days of absolutely nothing, zero comms no idea what happened and no idea if it would ever come back on every women was submissive, scared shitless and looking for a man. All the feminism was out the window NOW.

    We built the world that allows this. It will continue as long as the power does.
    Your post reminded me of this meme.

    https://img.ifunny.co/images/e8cfa71...d31fe2cc_1.jpg

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by flying View Post
    There is but 1 thing that would take women back to their correct place in society: The removal of electricity totally, completely, instantaneously with no idea if it is ever coming back. I saw it on a small scale during the North East Black out of 2003 while living in Michigan.

    After 2-3 days of absolutely nothing, zero comms no idea what happened and no idea if it would ever come back on every women was submissive, scared shitless and looking for a man. All the feminism was out the window NOW.

    We built the world that allows this. It will continue as long as the power does.
    I don't doubt that you are right. But if I had to pick, I'd say electricity makes my life better than today's women, and it's not even close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    I don't doubt that you are right. But if I had to pick, I'd say electricity makes my life better than today's women, and it's not even close.
    Electricity is so essential, one needs to make their own time to time or suffer catastrophic failure from frozen pipes, spoiled food, and no drinking water outside boiled stream water.
    Electricity is my new help mate replacing women and their unnecessary aggravation, the electron liberates us, some choose to reap the benefits, while others use it for parasitic attachments to reap the fruits of another's labor, meaning they become extraordinarily lazy in all the abundance making the host nothing more than a beneficial Borax Mule to haul their pathetically useless ass allover god's creation.

    Can you imagine what a relationship could be if both parties sought the use of electrons over partnership parasite? Both harvesting the labor of electrons instead of only one, while the other is harvesting battery life?

    Electricity is my kingdom, the electron is my slave army that never complains, revolts, and does exactly what I want on command. Everything you'd want from a woman without the risk of loosing everything and being stranded like a Tesla with a dead battery.

    Here in the electric forest, you generate your own when the trees decide which powerline they don't like and feel the need to take it down. Combine this phenomenon with an ice storm and the power is out for weeks!

    You get used to the 24 hour hum of a generator, and then you still hear it, after the power has been restored!

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    Re: What is your solution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by flying View Post
    There is but 1 thing that would take women back to their correct place in society: The removal of electricity totally, completely, instantaneously with no idea if it is ever coming back. I saw it on a small scale during the North East Black out of 2003 while living in Michigan.

    After 2-3 days of absolutely nothing, zero comms no idea what happened and no idea if it would ever come back on every women was submissive, scared shitless and looking for a man. All the feminism was out the window NOW.

    We built the world that allows this. It will continue as long as the power does.

    This is another good theory I also have heard from some "Luddite" Mgtows. This is the opposite idea from those Mgtows who support advanced technologies, but this has some points that makes sense too.

    For instance, they say that going back to a primitive society, not only women would go back to their "natural place", but also it would correct the "sexual market" for men, since in more primitive societies the fertility rates are higher and life expectancy are lower. Then there are a surplus in the number of teenage and young girls compared to the number of men in such societies, more options for relationships, and so on.

    And this makes sense if you see the population pyramid of genders and ages of some more technological countries like Japan and Germany:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:G...on_pyramid.svg

    And compare them to the population pyramid of some less technologically developed countries like Afghanistan:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A...ramid_2020.png

    If you know how to read this kind of chart, you can clearly see that there are really a good difference in the number of 15-25 yo women compared to 25-35 yo men, for instance. In more primitive countries like Afghanistan there are really more young women compared to older men. But I think that using Artificial Wombs for instance can also make the fertility rates higher.

    But other reason why some Mgtows support more primitive societies actually is because they think that advanced techs actually will be used mostly to oppress free men, more and more.

    Maybe they are right, but going back to primitive societies with no electrical energy is also a hard goal. Specially because in this moment most people are confortable using electricity in our daily life, including most Mgtows. Just a global collapse would change it. But I will write more about this "luddite Mgtow" idea in another thread later.
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    I think all men would trade electricity for women. Just saying that the only reason women can get away with their crap and enslave men is because of the technology we men have developed and deployed...no way they would have been able to build the current level of society without men.

    Guys, we can't fight a cultural change of this magnitude that was designed and implemented by the rulers of the world and think it will EVER go back to 1950's. It cant and it will not.

    ...MGTOW is actually what they want as well....no more families, no more male/female roles or interactions, just a few solitary slaves to serve them. This was the design they launched in WWII and they have achieved the goal. Unfortunately, while it plays into their hands, it is the only route left open to us in order to survive.

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    Feminism is my solution. I'm a huge supporter, but feminists won't like why. Feminism has unwittingly changed my life for the better in many beneficial ways.

    It never fails to amaze me how much feminism has liberated men, how feminism has enslaved women and how few men (and women) recognize this unwitting result of feminism's blatant misandry.

    To wit, in 1950 and prior, hardly any women in the US worked. Women 100% exploited men for resources. Men were socially conditioned and socially shamed by women, religion, the state and Hollywood to "provide & protect", which is just another way of saying, "Go out there and become disposable ATMs and disposable human shields, men!".

    In 2021, in all of human history, there have never been more women working for a living. How does this benefit men?

    (1) Women are now forced to pay taxes. In the recent past, women paid no taxes, leaving the entire tax burden to men.

    (2) Women are now forced to educate themselves. In the past, nearly all women exploited men's education and labor to benefit themselves, with men paying for women's education costs as well as their own.

    (3) Women are now forced to defend themselves. In the past, in all social altercations, it was expected that men lay down their lives not only on behalf of their wives, but also on behalf of women with whom they'd never met.

    (4) Women are now forced to support themselves. In the past, women just exploited men for their required resources.

    (5) We're very close to having women included in the military draft, which signals the end of absolute male disposability - the ultimate and most monstrous form of male exploitation - the human sacrifice of men's lives for the benefit of women and their state violence proxy.

    (6) Should they choose, men can now live lives free of the burden and anti-male oppression of marriage. Lest we forget, when a man marries a woman, he's also marrying women's state violence proxy. Should a man fail in marriage, big daddy state pulls down his pants and brutally f**ks the failed husband right up the a$$. Men no longer have to face this eventuality, which is why it's so important for men to avoid marriage at all cost. Smart men don't get married. We learned all this from feminists.

    So take heart my fellow MGTOW. The only constant in life is change. Feminism is a change that has liberated far more men than women. Thanks to feminism, men's lives have become far easier and women's lives have become far more difficult.

    MGTOW for the win! Feminism is for men, too! Gooooooooooooo Feminism!

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    Never thought of it like that...wow...good point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MannSplainer View Post
    So take heart my fellow MGTOW. The only constant in life is change. Feminism is a change that has liberated far more men than women. Thanks to feminism, men's lives have become far easier and women's lives have become far more difficult.

    MGTOW for the win! Feminism is for men, too! Gooooooooooooo Feminism!
    There's a big drawback- as feminists seize more power in government, enabled by leftist males, they can severely start curtailing our freedoms. I saw someone on here advocating for socialism. That's fine...if you're the one on top. Lord help us if we end up in a feminist/marxist dictatorship. It will be something like that move- No Men Beyond This Point. Misandry won't just be an inclination, it could very well end up the law of the land.

    Other than, I agree 100%. Feminism has liberated men to an extent. As women take over more of the labor force, I'm wondering if we'll see their avg life expectancy decline due to work stress. Of course, men are also somewhat hardwired to have a cause in life, so this liberation has also had the negative affect of creating adrift, aimless men with no real purpose. I'm not saying these guys should be going to college and trying to marry. Not at all, but far too many are just...doing nothing at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toolband89 View Post
    There's a big drawback- as feminists seize more power in government, enabled by leftist males, they can severely start curtailing our freedoms. I saw someone on here advocating for socialism. That's fine...if you're the one on top. Lord help us if we end up in a feminist/marxist dictatorship. It will be something like that move- No Men Beyond This Point. Misandry won't just be an inclination, it could very well end up the law of the land.

    Other than, I agree 100%. Feminism has liberated men to an extent. As women take over more of the labor force, I'm wondering if we'll see their avg life expectancy decline due to work stress. Of course, men are also somewhat hardwired to have a cause in life, so this liberation has also had the negative affect of creating adrift, aimless men with no real purpose. I'm not saying these guys should be going to college and trying to marry. Not at all, but far too many are just...doing nothing at all.
    All true. It's ironic that America spent trillions fighting socialism only to end up with so many socialist programs. It's tragic that men built and maintained pretty much everything on and above the earth and fought and died in all of the wars for our rights and freedoms, but women are now the best educated, rising the fastest to positions of power and now also hold the majority of wealth. By design, life isn't fair. Women's state pimps/violence proxy/husbandry/sugar daddy will see to that.

    Billions were just spent paying off student loans. A good chunk of the infrastructure bill will likely be spent on propping up previously failing pension systems in blue states. As money, especially unaccountable and very untraceable government money is fungible, it of course won't be listed as being spent that way, so we'll never know for sure.

    We've been heading down the path of European socialism for a long time and I think it's what most people now want - cradle to grave government security in the form of socialist programs. It's of course assumed that the productive class will become the new slave class to pay for it all, which is exactly what happened in the former USSR, which I sparred with in the US Navy back in the 80s.

    To keep things going, the USSR identified those that displayed the most potential as children and then ensured they were assigned heavy responsibilities as adults. They did this to prevent the highly capable from depending too much on free socialist stuff. Capitalists, in contrast, use people's natural desires, including the desire for riches, to get the highly productive to remain productive throughout their lives, which doesn't work under socialism due to 'equity', aka socialism.

    Life is highly unfair, is full of loss and even more full of tragedy. All of the above and more are just further proof of such truths. It's all pretty horrifying stuff. The only way I've been able to survive it is to adapt as quickly as possible to the changes. To the extent I possibly can, I'm going to use feminism and socialism to my full advantage. Over the next 10 years, I'm on a path to save at least $100K through new socialist programs, having already made at least 3.5 million from the "women's liberation" zeitgeist over the course of my lifetime. Feminism and socialism are highly exploitable.

    My suggestion to other men is to use socialism, feminism and women's liberation, to the extent possible, to improve your life. Do not pull the cart. Ride in the cart with the women. Do not go down with the sinking ship.

    Women are taught to only allow men into their lives that add positive changes to their lives and to focus on improving themselves and their lot. My advice to other men is to do exactly the same.

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    Another point people miss is just how incapable the US government is to implement such programs. Inept doesn't even begin to describe our government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toolband89 View Post
    Another point people miss is just how incapable the US government is to implement such programs. Inept doesn't even begin to describe our government.
    "The", not "our", government, is dangerously hostile, aggressive, coercive, hypocritical, and life threatening toward the people. It became an enemy of the people in posture and purpose. A rogue and broken arrow flying when, where, and however it pleases, and the target is painted on our backs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toolband89 View Post
    Another point people miss is just how incapable the US government is to implement such programs. Inept doesn't even begin to describe our government.
    Well, we can't just admit we're robbing the little guy, can we? It's got to be a misunderstanding or a loophole or it fell through the cracks.

    Cops say there's no such thing as a coincidence. I'd say our elected officials are proving the cops right every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    "The", not "our", government, is dangerously hostile, aggressive, coercive, hypocritical, and life threatening toward the people. It became an enemy of the people in posture and purpose. A rogue and broken arrow flying when, where, and however it pleases, and the target is painted on our backs!
    Yep. The government now works for the oligarchy and themselves. The government abandoned the Average Joe back in the 60s and now simply aids the oligarchy in redirecting manual input to the cheapest slave labor pools available globally. When you vote, you vote for whatever choices the oligarchy gives you. It's all a game of puppeteers and marionettes. The Two Party System is a figment of our imaginations. We have only one party and it's controlled by the mega rich. The oligarchy also owns the MSM, which uses misinformation, disinformation, brainwashing, shaming, gaslighting, manipulation and social conditioning to control and maneuver the genpop. White males are the government's greatest threat, so the government is executing white males.

    Almost everything you've been taught over the course of your lifetime has been one giant lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MannSplainer View Post
    Yep. The government now works for the oligarchy and themselves. The government abandoned the Average Joe back in the 60s and now simply aids the oligarchy in redirecting manual input to the cheapest slave labor pools available globally. When you vote, you vote for whatever choices the oligarchy gives you. It's all a game of puppeteers and marionettes. The Two Party System is a figment of our imaginations. We have only one party and it's controlled by the mega rich. The oligarchy also owns the MSM, which uses misinformation, disinformation, brainwashing, shaming, gaslighting, manipulation and social conditioning to control and maneuver the genpop. White males are the government's greatest threat, so the government is executing white males.

    Almost everything you've been taught over the course of your lifetime has been one giant lie.
    When I say the government is executing white males, of course, I don't mean they're stupid enough to openly use bullets in the execution of government dissenters anymore. Instead, they use cancellation, i.e., they make it difficult if not impossible to get a job or education, which is a soft form of execution.


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