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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    When a generation of women spend their 20s riding the Carousel, can't find a "good man" in their 30s, and then wind up their 50s trying to financially plan for the last third of their lives without a husband's resources, it will hit society with more impact than The Pill.

    The rules of the game will not change until women realize they are losing because men do not want to play.
    Nobody will care about homelessness until an equal amount of the homeless are women.
    Nobody will truly care about gender life expectancy gap until they start attending more funerals for grandmas than for grandpas.

    Draft registration will not end until the first planes with coffins filled with female corpses land at Dover, Delaware.
    I hinted at this in another post. My mother has a pretty skate life ahead of her. She hasn't worked in YEARS, but will get sizeable portions of my dad's pensions when he dies. My feminist sister on the other hand, will have to rely on herself for the rest of her life. I don't think most women have the right disposition to muscle through their working lives. Oh sure, they get the degrees, they land the jobs, etc. But can most of them really buckle down and deal with the grind? My sister job hops annually. Each new job is amazing. Each new city is vibrant and the people are the best ever. A few months later...the job sucks, the city sucks, the people are assholes. They crave change. They thrive on novelty. Men fare better with the predictable. I know many a dude who don't like their jobs, but they stay. Why? Better the devil you know. We instinctively know that work is work, not fun or social hour. Women struggle with this, especially nowadays. Feminists told them that having a career would fill the void in their lives. Now its dawning on them...work sucks. It always sucked. Men have always known this, but we did it to provide for our families. Now that so many men have no families, a lot of them see no need to work, be educated, etc.

    So, I think you're dead on that it will be quite a shock when so many women hit middle age with nothing to show for their lives beyond a career that they found depressingly unfulfilling despite the promises of the feminists and professors. That's why I don't really understand feminism. Equal under the law I understand. But in reality, I don't know why women fought so hard to be wage slaves. Yes, it's just an amazing life to be 100k in debt, slaving away for 40+ hours a week, living in a crappy apartment. If I were a woman, I'd rather have some chump providing me for me too. I know a lot of families are dual income, but I think most women would rather be married to the doctor pulling in $200k+ than the schmuck making $60k. I remember my orthodontist as a kid. He married his secretary from his practice. The second they got married, she stopped working. And why not? The guy is LOADED. Living in a giant house doing whatever the hell she wants beats the hell out of answering phones and scheduling brats for bracket adjustments. I know they claim a lot of women in the past, think 1950s, lived lives of quiet desperation that they couldn't escape from. And I'm sure that's true to an extent, especially if they were married to abusive dudes, alcoholics, etc. But, think about the average stay at home wife in the 50s. The kids go off to school, the husband goes off to work. The chores should be fairly minimal if they stay up on them. So, maybe they do a little shopping. Maybe they hang out with other wives, etc. In reality though, they have the day to themselves. I think a lot of women would gladly make that trade, even if it means being married to a schmuck. Sure beats working, at least imho.

    Side note- no draft will ever happen, except in the most dire of circumstances. The military knows that drafted soldiers are rarely good ones. This isn't the 40s. Gen-Z types will make the Boomers of Vietnam look like bigger patriots than the Revolutionaries. Even if there was a draft, women would rarely be placed in combat roles. There's a TON of support positions in every branch. The ladies will mostly be safe on bases.
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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

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    I hinted at this in another post. My mother has a pretty skate life ahead of her. She hasn't worked in YEARS, but will get sizeable portions of my dad's pensions when he dies. My feminist sister on the other hand, will have to rely on herself for the rest of her life. I don't think most women have the right disposition to muscle through their working lives. Oh sure, they get the degrees, they land the jobs, etc. But can most of them really buckle down and deal with the grind? My sister job hops annually. Each new job is amazing. Each new city is vibrant and the people are the best ever. A few months later...the job sucks, the city sucks, the people are assholes. They crave change. They thrive on novelty. Men fare better with the predictable. I know many a dude who don't like their jobs, but they stay. Why? Better the devil you know. We instinctively know that work is work, not fun or social hour. Women struggle with this, especially nowadays. Feminists told them that having a career would fill the void in their lives. Now its dawning on them...work sucks. It always sucked. Men have always known this, but we did it to provide for our families. Now that so many men have no families, a lot of them see no need to work, be educated, etc.
    Think carefully and objectively about all those times you were hanging out with a mixed group of friends, men and women.

    Now, ask yourself. In the group, who was more likely to whine and complain about "being stressed" at work? Was it the men? Or the women?

    It's come up a few times between some male friends of mine. You ask how his day was "Eh, a little stressful, but whatever. Got everything done."

    I can't speak for anyone else. But when women feel the pinch at work, it's never seems to be "eh, a little stressful". The women are near their breaking point, verging on tears, need mental health days, etc.

    What I'm saying is that men seem able to handle (or at least internalize) the pressures of work whereas women can't stfu about how much they're "stressing".

    I've seen the same woman job hop three times in one year because she's "so stressed out all the time". By comparison, other male friends of mine will stick around for a few years at least as long as the pay is good enough.

    Women as a group just don't seem geared to handle the pressures of working. Yes yes yes, exceptions exist for women as well as men. But IN THE MAIN, men seem capable of rolling with it whereas women crack more easily under pressure.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Quote Originally Posted by Toolband89 View Post
    I hinted at this in another post. My mother has a pretty skate life ahead of her. She hasn't worked in YEARS, but will get sizeable portions of my dad's pensions when he dies. My feminist sister on the other hand, will have to rely on herself for the rest of her life. I don't think most women have the right disposition to muscle through their working lives. Oh sure, they get the degrees, they land the jobs, etc. But can most of them really buckle down and deal with the grind? My sister job hops annually. Each new job is amazing. Each new city is vibrant and the people are the best ever. A few months later...the job sucks, the city sucks, the people are assholes. They crave change. They thrive on novelty. Men fare better with the predictable. I know many a dude who don't like their jobs, but they stay. Why? Better the devil you know. We instinctively know that work is work, not fun or social hour. Women struggle with this, especially nowadays. Feminists told them that having a career would fill the void in their lives. Now its dawning on them...work sucks. It always sucked. Men have always known this, but we did it to provide for our families. Now that so many men have no families, a lot of them see no need to work, be educated, etc.

    So, I think you're dead on that it will be quite a shock when so many women hit middle age with nothing to show for their lives beyond a career that they found depressingly unfulfilling despite the promises of the feminists and professors. That's why I don't really understand feminism. Equal under the law I understand. But in reality, I don't know why women fought so hard to be wage slaves. Yes, it's just an amazing life to be 100k in debt, slaving away for 40+ hours a week, living in a crappy apartment. If I were a woman, I'd rather have some chump providing me for me too. I know a lot of families are dual income, but I think most women would rather be married to the doctor pulling in $200k+ than the schmuck making $60k. I remember my orthodontist as a kid. He married his secretary from his practice. The second they got married, she stopped working. And why not? The guy is LOADED. Living in a giant house doing whatever the hell she wants beats the hell out of answering phones and scheduling brats for bracket adjustments. I know they claim a lot of women in the past, think 1950s, lived lives of quiet desperation that they couldn't escape from. And I'm sure that's true to an extent, especially if they were married to abusive dudes, alcoholics, etc. But, think about the average stay at home wife in the 50s. The kids go off to school, the husband goes off to work. The chores should be fairly minimal if they stay up on them. So, maybe they do a little shopping. Maybe they hang out with other wives, etc. In reality though, they have the day to themselves. I think a lot of women would gladly make that trade, even if it means being married to a schmuck. Sure beats working, at least imho.

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    There's many good observations here. I may be a couple years older, as my mother has already lived the skate life after inheriting my father's pension. She was the classic housewife during the 60's. And in fact what you described is exactly how it worked. Get the kids off to school, then do a bit of housework before spending the rest of the day dinking around with other housewives, going shopping and so on. She did get a job at age 40, worked 20 years then retired at age 60. But she never really experienced the grind of being a full provider. It was always supplemental money.

    I think a couple things fed into the delusion there was great satisfaction to be had in outside work. First is the segregation of the work world from the home world. This was a relatively new development occurring after the "industrial revolution". In the old days of the family farm, women knew very well the husband was doing hard and dangerous work. So the housework role was a preferable safer alternative.

    Then there's the mass distribution of television, and programs selected to be popular among those women staying at home. There was a lot of family drama, with the father appearing home fresh after his day at the mysterious remote job. The typical grueling work at the factories didn't make for good TV, so women didn't get the message.

    So freed from the need from doing much housework, and fueled by fantasies of the male controlled work world, women marched out to get paid jobs, preferably the cake jobs with great working conditions. There's never been a big line of women fighting for the right to do the really hard and dangerous jobs.

    I remember my grandmother proclaiming she wanted to join "women's lib" because she all of sudden felt oppressed in her housework role, even though my grandfather worked a very tough job at a steel mill for 40+ years. I don't know where she would have even picked up the term if it wasn't for TV.

    Anyway the seeds of the current shit-show were planted long ago. Now most of the women are doing crappy jobs, and dreaming of the great satisfaction they are being held back from by the "glass ceiling".

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Quote Originally Posted by OwenWentFullMGTOW View Post
    Came here to say exactly this. It's not my job to save the world. If the MRA's want to continue labouring under the delusion that we're just one court decision away from turning everything around, let them. It's no skin off my nose.
    Marriage and cohabitation laws are blatantly unfair to men, which of the following would be the most effective course of action ?

    1) Join an MRA group and spend endless hours discussing strategies and getting angry with like minded men. Promote endless petitions and write letters to politicians. Plan and organize a protest in London that would very likely attract rival protestors and anarchists who would smash a few windows. At best it would shift public perception 1-2% in men's direction, at worst you would get labelled as a “hate group”.

    2) Men just refused to get married or cohabitate with women.

    Men are becoming MGTOW by the millions, most without ever having heard the term. They are simply doing what all living organisms finding themselves in a toxic environment do. They adapt to it or remove themselves from it. Females are not liking either the adaptations or the removal.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    Marriage and cohabitation laws are blatantly unfair to men, which of the following would be the most effective course of action ?

    1) Join an MRA group and spend endless hours discussing strategies and getting angry with like minded men. Promote endless petitions and write letters to politicians. Plan and organize a protest in London that would very likely attract rival protestors and anarchists who would smash a few windows. At best it would shift public perception 1-2% in men's direction, at worst you would get labelled as a “hate group”.

    2) Men just refused to get married or cohabitate with women.

    Years ago, a bunch of Harley riders decided to fight the statewide helmet law. They wrote letters, went to meetings, supported local politicians, did all the things stanmsl mentioned. After three years of this, the state legislature changed the law. Victory is sweet, right? Well it was, till our backstabbing governor vetoed the bill. Three years of hard work down the shitter, just like that. Done by a guy who was caught white water rafting without a life jacket. I guess the rules were not for him.

    If we tried, we'd likely get the veto as well. Like the bikers, there's just not enough of us.
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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    ... free speech observers and radicals everywhere should mark the 50th anniversary of Mario Savio's famous speech on the steps of Sproul Hall at the University of California, Berkeley. Savio found himself at the center of the Free Speech Movement, which had begun protesting the university's ban on political activity on campus that fall.

    "There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part!
    You can't even passively take part!
    And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels…upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop!
    And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!"


    Pretty inspiring, is it not. And we don't even have to "throw our bodies upon the gears." All we have to do is not play the game, not step into minefield, not swim in a river infested with the piranhas.

    Of course, when it gets real bad and a generation of Carrie Fishers are turning 65 and have a closet with 600 pairs of designer shoes but no husband and no retirement savings, the government will impose a bachelor tax.

    Senator's Warren's "Wealth Tax" will start with the truly wealthy and then dumb down the definition of "wealthy" until they get to us eventually.....but that will probably wake up the blue pillers.
    Last edited by sam luis obispo; November 16, 2021 at 5:33 PM.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    here is another MGTOW gem from Sandman

    He classifies MRAs as men that want to slave but just want their master not to be as cruel
    No Time Off When You Have A Girlfriend - MGTOW - YouTube

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    Of course, when it gets real bad and a generation of Carrie Fishers are turning 65 and have a closet with 600 pairs of designer shoes but no husband and no retirement savings, the government will impose a bachelor tax.
    Let them. I'm not even sure how constitutional that would be. But worst case scenario, I can just "marry" a hetero male friend. I imagine a lot of confirmed bachelors and/or MGTOW's will do the same thing.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Quote Originally Posted by OwenWentFullMGTOW View Post
    Let them. I'm not even sure how constitutional that would be. But worst case scenario, I can just "marry" a hetero male friend. I imagine a lot of confirmed bachelors and/or MGTOW's will do the same thing.


    Brilliant strategy.

    I can just see the IRS try to crack down on "phony" couples.

    Government auditor: "We think you and Larry are faking this marriage just for the tax benefits. Are you guys having sex?"

    Me: "Are you married?"

    Government auditor: "Yes, I am."

    Me: "To a woman, right?"

    Government auditor: "Yes, I am."


    Me: "How much sex are *you* getting?"

    Government auditor: "I'm closing your case. Get out of my office."
    Last edited by sam luis obispo; November 17, 2021 at 2:42 PM.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post

    "There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part!
    You can't even passively take part!
    And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels…upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop!
    And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!"


    Pretty inspiring, is it not. And we don't even have to "throw our bodies upon the gears." All we have to do is not play the game, not step into minefield, not swim in a river infested with the piranhas.
    .
    Yes there are definite advantages to kicking back, not throwing ourselves into the gears, but just continuing to prosper and throwing some sand in the machine if and when possible. We'll be around to watch when the shit show collapses.

    Let them all exhaust themselves marching up and down, demanding their "rights". If rights and happiness have to be granted by somebody else, they aren't ever going to win.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    As per Evolutionary Psychology

    women have Own Group Preference < so half the population, women, always select for their group and themselves, always.

    men DONT have Own Group Preference < we always martyr for females and offspring. We are as hardwired for disposobility as they are for being selfish.

    This Sexual Dimorphism ensured species survival (not just us but all hominim) going back 7 million bloody years. Its like this for a reason because it ensures we survive bottleneck extinction events like TOBA or Ice Ages.

    In the modern arena; technology, medicine and law -- discourses MEN invented, are an extension of, and amplifier to, our genetic evo psych dispositions. Its a run away effect. You see this in Laws men created, that give wen more power at men's detrement. You see this, women's hypergamy on Dating Apps, the 80/20 rule women chasing after Chad on a level now so far-reaching, it was not available before technology and social media amplified instincts meant for an entirely different environment.

    We are meant to live on Savanahs and Forests. There is no way to unlearn your biological programming or to correct for it with new law. We just keep making new laws, medicine and technology that keeps doing it more and more. The medicine is stuff like Abortion, The Pill, hormone therapy, ErectileDysfunction pills so old dudes can still pork girls half their age... Its all ANTITHESIS to our natural environment as humans ...

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Quote Originally Posted by BeenThereDoneThat View Post

    We are meant to live on Savanahs and Forests. There is no way to unlearn your biological programming or to correct for it with new law. We just keep making new laws, medicine and technology that keeps doing it more and more. The medicine is stuff like Abortion, The Pill, hormone therapy, ErectileDysfunction pills so old dudes can still pork girls half their age... Its all ANTITHESIS to our natural environment as humans ...
    Yep, humans were designed to live in small tribal like settings. The modern homo sapiens is a perversion of nature, completely removed from the cycle of nature.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Quote Originally Posted by Toolband89 View Post
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    Side note- no draft will ever happen, except in the most dire of circumstances. The military knows that drafted soldiers are rarely good ones. This isn't the 40s. Gen-Z types will make the Boomers of Vietnam look like bigger patriots than the Revolutionaries. Even if there was a draft, women would rarely be placed in combat roles. There's a TON of support positions in every branch. The ladies will mostly be safe on bases.
    My point is, in a gynocracy, something is not a problem, until it is a problem for women.

    And when women do not have problems, they invent them.

    It is like Chris Rock said. Eventually, a woman would complain about being serviced by a diamond d!ck. "This diamond is cloudy!"

    Why? Because they have to. Evolutionary psychology-wise, it is a way to check the balance on their "attention currency" account.

    When a woman could not get the people surrounding her to listen to her complaints, it was the first sign they were going to be "ejected from the tribe" or "voted off the island."

    And, until society got civilized enough a century or so ago, a woman could not survive on her own.

    There is a reason "Karen" seeks attention through complaints and demands to speak to the manager.
    She is post-wall, probably an empty-nester.
    If her husband could leave her without losing everything he has built up and jeopardizing his retirement, he would...and for a woman that is younger/more fertile.
    She has had it so good, for long, she can't handle not being at the top of the food chain.
    She needs constant assurance that this society, this civilization exists to make her feel safe, comfortable, and respected.
    After all, for all of her life, she has felt those things.
    Except now, she is not the priority.
    She can no longer prowl the shopping mall inducing erections, but she can damn well demand obedience and deference.
    Last edited by sam luis obispo; November 17, 2021 at 3:04 PM.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    ... in a gynocracy, something is not a problem, until it is a problem for women. And when women do not have problems, they invent them. .. When a woman could not get the people surrounding her to listen to her complaints, it was the first sign they were going to be "ejected from the tribe" or "voted off the island." .. There is a reason "Karen" seeks attention through complaints and demands to speak to the manager.
    Exactly this. Women complain to check their current social standing, because loss of their social standing in the old hunter-gatherer days meant possible deprivation of resources or possible ejection from the tribe.

    Women will invent issues to complain about even if the issue doesn't exist, because it is only by complaining and seeing the reaction (attention paid) to her complaint does she continuously gauge her current social standing (or social currency account as you put it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    The one simple thing you can do is to never vote for a woman. No matter what her politics.
    I don´t know at USA but in my country male politicians are more pro-feminism than female politicians (who simple don´t care) and right-wing nowdays are more pro-feminism than the left-wing.

    Left-wing still need woman´s vote but not soo much as right-wing.
    The future is gone, hope is in the past

    Do you want to do great things for the sake of humanity? Oh please, don´t make me laugh.
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    This is more of a men's rights post, and I respect most MRA's. They have a tough and thankless uphill battle. The feminist cult of hate has successfully (and totally incorrectly) branded mens' rights activists as misogynists.

    MGTOW recognizes the futility of such battles. We simply DROP OUT. We refuse to cooperate with that shit.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    This is more of a men's rights post, and I respect most MRA's. They have a tough and thankless uphill battle. The feminist cult of hate has successfully (and totally incorrectly) branded mens' rights activists as misogynists.

    MGTOW recognizes the futility of such battles. We simply DROP OUT. We refuse to cooperate with that shit.
    MRA's are all about restoring rights to men that lost theirs, MGTOW is all about having our rights and keeping them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    MRA's are all about restoring rights to men that lost theirs, MGTOW is all about having our rights and keeping them!
    Pretty much. You're absolutely right.

    What I'd like to add is that I think of MGTOW's as men's rights inactivists. Normally, we don't make a big deal out of what we do. We won't do rallies or public speaking, for example.

    But make no mistake, we MGTOW's are voting with our feet. And while I couldn't care less either way, I believe that a refusal to get married will ultimately make a bigger difference than holding pointless rallies and public demonstrations. The modern woman can laugh at and dismiss MRA rallies. But the modern woman won't be laughing anymore when, say, 50% of the men in her life (MGTOW's) refuse to get married on principle. That will fuck her day up a lot worse than a hundred MRA rallies in some far away city.

    Now, don't get the wrong idea here. I don't care about "making a difference" or "advocating for change". But still, I am convinced that inactivism like the MGTOW path will ultimately make a far bigger difference than the MRA's.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    This is more of a men's rights post, and I respect most MRA's. They have a tough and thankless uphill battle. The feminist cult of hate has successfully (and totally incorrectly) branded mens' rights activists as misogynists.

    MGTOW recognizes the futility of such battles. We simply DROP OUT. We refuse to cooperate with that shit.
    I too respect MRAs for their effort to help homeless men, fight unfair court systems, and men fighting for custody of their children.

    But being MGTOW is walking a path that makes sense for you as a man. There are some MGTOW that are activists and align with some MRA principles. But the divergence comes from the fact that many MRAs don't want to admit that this is true female nature on display, and you can't put the tooth paste back in once it is out.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    For those pointing out that the chances of the draft being re-instated in the U.S. are small, that is not my point.

    In a gynocracy, something is not a problem until women convince the government it is a problem.

    Alcohol was not a problem until women decided that men gathering in saloons in the late 1800s was a problem. This let to the temperance movement, which led to Prohibition (the war on alcoholic beverages) via an amendment to the Constitution shortly after women got the vote. Prohibition was a disaster, and after almost a decade of crime and violence, the Constitution was amended again to end it, and all we had to show for it was less liberty and the creation of the Mafia.

    Alimony laws will only be reformed or nullified when high earning, politically influential women feel its sting. This might take another 10 or 20 years because men always "marry down," economically speaking, but women rarely marry men who earn less than they do, and women rarely tolerate their men becoming non-working "house husbands." In many divorces, the "divorce clocks" start ticking when the man loses his job.

    Look at the disparity of choices for birth control. 32 options for women, 2-3 for men. Millions of dollars and billions of man-hours were devoted to discovering a birth control pill for women.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.


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