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    We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    I've been brewing up thoughts on this post for a good while and I think I'm finally ready to attempt to phrase it and try to hash out what I have been meditating on. Some of you may disagree with some of this, and that is okay, I'd be happy to hear your thoughts and you're allowed to disagree. I just felt like this would be a safe place for me to share this, among others who might be on the same page.

    Anyway,

    We all know the Feminist clown world that we live in, so I won't try to get too deep into it, but I do want to frame it a certain way for you guys. It's clear to me, that feminists, under the cloak of "equality", for the past 60 years or so, have been playing, as far as I am concerned, a zero sum game for power and influence in it's raw state. The end goal is NOT to have an "equal" seat at the table (whatever that means), but has been to ultimately usurp men at every societal level - and they have largely succeeded as far as I am concerned. Women/Feminists now control (or at least frame the narrative of) the media, politics, culture, the educational system, the entertainment industry, and the corporate world. Men only account for 2 out of 5 people in college today. Women have become fiercely educated and if trends continue they are set to be the ones calling the shots in all aspects of life. We are looking at a world today where women are beginning to stand above men as these careerist super-humans, making more money than us in these cushy corporate jobs while men are second class citizens that take care of everything that allows them to live this way - building the buildings, taking out the trash, making sure the water is running, the sewage processed, even taking care of the babies and children now (playing mother). Women have advocated for a society that revolves around them and because we want to fuck them we've allowed it to happen, and they KNOW this. That's how they got away with it. Oh, that's the worst part, women look at us and in a way, they think we're stupid and they can get one over on us and so they manipulate. They look at our weaknesses and they intentionally take advantage of us. I bet some of you have women bosses and we gotta think that in the back of their head somewhere they are proud of the fact that they are your boss on account of the fact that you are a man.

    Transitioning over to the personal sphere, we know women hold all of the power in marriage/divorce and parenthood. They are the gatekeepers to sex and they expect chivalry and for us to pay for dinner and such, even as they now often make more or the same as we do, all the while vying for masculine positions in society and at home (which is not attractive to men). They also expect hyper-gamy (dating "up"), even if they are in ridiculously high-paying positions, this is just how the female brain works. So as you can see, in public and at home we have become/are becoming second-class citizens, and I'm sure you guys can just add and add to what I'm talking about here.

    SO WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT?

    We need to start shamelessly fighting for ourselves, men and masculine positions in the public sphere and in our private lives like women have done with Feminism. Why shouldn't we? It's exactly what they do and have done. But this isn't the "Men's rights" movement (that isn't to say I don't support those guys). This isn't us advocating from a losing position saying, "hey if you're going to rule society you at least have to care about us too", because they don't and they won't. What I am saying is that we need to stop worrying so much about appealing to women and get back into our masculine. We need to start playing the game that they are playing and we need to play it in both the private and public sphere just like they are. Basically we need to stop taking it lying down or society will never respect us. They aren't going to like us at first, but so what? Feminists didn't give a shit about whether or not anybody liked them. They may not like us, but if we start playing their game society will eventually have to cater to us just like it now caters to the feminists.

    At home, DON'T become a stay at home Dad. Don't let them try to emasculate you and put you in the home like their little bitch while they're out making bank in some big wig corporate position. I know guys today think that sounds like a great deal (some of my friends are like this), but it isn't, because that is not a masculine position to be in and it is dangerous for men to not be in masculine positions. You really want to be your wife's housewife and have her get mad at you for not having dinner on the table when she gets home? Is this what men are okay with now? You want her to be the one throwing your boxers on the ground during sex like some crumpled up panties after you're done with dishes? Don't take a woman's position in the home and don't let women dominate you. I'm not saying not to help out and do your part at home if you are in that situation, but don't submit to her and take on a woman's role. If you do, she won't respect you, society won't respect you and you won't respect yourself. Be a fucking man. If she is going upward in her career or education, you need to as well. We all need to. Don't let women take over these colleges and don't let them take all of the nice, high-paying corporate jobs.

    In the public sphere we need to support initiatives that are going to put men back in the driver's seat, which again, is exactly what they are doing for themselves, so why would we be the bad ones to come out and play for our own team? The beauty is that a lot of this public sphere stuff can be done mostly in private, without tipping anyone off (because we know how this type of discord is often not even allowed among friends these days). For example, you don't have to tell anyone who you voted for. Don't vote for women and don't vote for politicians that don't have your best interests as a man in mind. Don't vote for politicians that want to continue to advance the feminist, social justice agenda. Consider making sacrifices at the voting both and holding your nose for candidates who would help the male agenda, but you might not agree with them on their other stances.

    We need to do all of this shamelessly because that is what feminists do. They look in one direction and decide it's what they're deserving of and plow ahead. They don't care what anybody thinks, they'll argue with their spouses about it and they'll destroy entire civilizations if they have to (obviously our mission would reverse that chaos). I watch a lot of Matt Walsh and he recently said that he thinks Feminism is one of the worst things to happen to the human race. I agree. It's this weird and dangerous marriage of Marxism and sexuality. It takes our natural instincts as humans and gaslights us into oblivion to where we can't even function anymore. If I wanted to destroy a society, I would turn the women against the men. That is what has been done with Feminism, and it's time to get our civilization back. People might not like us for it, but we are MEN, and this is our job - to rein in chaos and bring things back to order, and if today's men are not up to the task, we need to look to those who came before us and change. People may not like us for it, but they will shut up once they start reaping the benefits of a cohesive society again and feminists become all but a social outcast-ed minority.

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    I realized I focused this a lot on the fear of approval (being liked). I'd like to provide some insight into why I did that. Again, women are the gatekeepers to sex. This means that men generally seek the approval of women and "shift" in a way that satisfies women so that they can procreate. That is how it has been since the beginning of time. It is the male/female dance. Usually it was the old, "women civilize men" trope. So, in order to get a nice wife you had to clean yourself up and get your life in order, but the ask has become much taller today. The difference in the last 60 years is that women have literally asked to subvert men in most aspects of life and men have attempted again, to try to shift to the liking of women as a biological imperative, but it has gotten worse and worse for us. What I am saying is that it is natural for us to want to seek the approval of women, but we need to break out of that mold and start learning to tell women no. We need to learn how to tell our wives and girlfriends no (I realize this isn't exactly the place for people who have wives and gfs lol), and we need to learn how to tell women no on a public level when they try to ask for the keys to the castle and all of the authority and privilege in society.
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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    No, “we” don’t. I am not one of these “mens rights activists”. Just walk away. Problem solved.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    That's exactly what I said. This isn't men's rights, this is not being a doormat to the female supremacy movement.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Giving Feminists attention is a win for them, thats why we just walk away...thats it!

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    I think you are mistaking MGTOW for either mensrights activists or tradcon.
    We aren't both.

    We don't want a submissive, traditional wife or GF. The truth, we don't want a wife at all.
    There is no way of going back to a traditional society. And honestly I would rather be born in modern society than a 1950's world anyways.

    All we want is the society to leave us alone and let us do what we are doing..

    Do you think, it will somehow make women repent and become submissive (or tracon or whatever you mean)? No it wont. They wont care.
    Not just women, even 90% of men don't really care for us...

    I am fine with that. The goal of this forum is to reach out to other remaining 10% men. Give them a perspective of life they never thought was even an option.

    That you can be a complete human being on your own. You don't need a wife/GF/or children to complete you.
    Its your life and you can live it by your own rules.
    As long you you dont break the law, nobody can imprison you or take 50% of your assets and/ir make you pay child support or alimony.

    MGTOW is about giving men an option, which is there right in-front of their eyes, but most men are reluctant to use because of society's brainwashing....

    This is not a fight against feminism. This a fight against traditional male-gender roles which are forced upon every man born on this planet.
    The roles on which the survival of civilisation depends upon.

    The society will never give up forcing those role on boys and men. It wil collapse the day it does it.
    The goal of MGTOW is to free men from that very role. I don't think MGTOW will ever grow large enough to cause the civilisation to collapse. (I predict that we will top-off max 10% of population even in best-case-scenario)...

    If the society does degrade enough that even more men go MGTOW, then such a society deserves the collapse anyways, which inevitably will happen at that point.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Quote Originally Posted by Gravemind View Post
    That's exactly what I said. This isn't men's rights, this is not being a doormat to the female supremacy movement.
    You wrote A LOT and I disagree with so much, I don’t even know where to start here.

    I recommend you do exactly what feminists have been telling everyone: They don’t need men. Leave them alone!

    And leaving them alone works perfectly fine for me.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Quote Originally Posted by Bam View Post
    No, “we” don’t. I am not one of these “mens rights activists”. Just walk away. Problem solved.
    Came here to say exactly this. It's not my job to save the world. If the MRA's want to continue laboring under the delusion that we're just one court decision away from turning everything around, let them. It's no skin off my nose.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Don't vote for women and don't vote for politicians that don't have your best interests as a man in mind.
    What politician ever had the best interest of men in mind?

    Even though you said what you meant in your original post was men walking away your post insinuates some kind of action when in fact inaction is the right course, the only course.

    Men don't have to do anything to save the world or anybody.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Keeping strong, being masculine, giving the finger to feminism at every opportunity, going my own way in all things, don't know if it will fix the sick society or stamp out the feminism gaslight but hell its the only way I'm going to live my life. If living my life this way helps any men (or wakes up any woman to their errors) then that's fantastic, but if not that doesn't phase me either really.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Not that it is my intent at all but a side effect of MGTOW is that it does make people panic. Especially women. Less men wanting to engage is a threat. Like I said, not my intent but it is amusing. From a political perspective, I see MGTOW as being a kind of civil disobedience but on a personal rather than official group level. BUT like I said that is more of a side effect than any real intention from most MGTOW in my opinion.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    No, he means combinibg mgtow and mra.
    Mra dont work cause mras are just simps ad they tried to bargain with women while simping them.
    But mgtow can do what mra cannot.

    If you are not living in the woods you too will have too deal woth narcissistic women sometimes in your life if you havent already.
    Dont say as if everyone can leave the matrix 100% and live a hermit life.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    The one simple thing you can do is to never vote for a woman. No matter what her politics.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    When I joined this jolly band, I could read a story, and most of the comments would be favorable to women and their causes. Now day's, most of the commenters have flipped and no longer are women automatically given a pass. So on the net we've made some progress.

    But in the real world, nobody's making women pull their weight. Quite the opposite, society is always going to expect men to pick up the pieces when women fall short. Don't expect no help from the blue pill world either. All they want is for somebody to support these bitches, they have no interest in fixing anything.

    There's not enough MGTOW's to change society, no matter how driven we are. All we can do is what we're doing, which is spread the word and hope there's more of us around later. If women and their allies trash the country in the meantime, all we can do is get out of their way as best we can.
    Every day I make the world a little bit worse.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    When I joined this jolly band, I could read a story, and most of the comments would be favorable to women and their causes. Now day's, most of the commenters have flipped and no longer are women automatically given a pass. So on the net we've made some progress.

    But in the real world, nobody's making women pull their weight. Quite the opposite, society is always going to expect men to pick up the pieces when women fall short. Don't expect no help from the blue pill world either. All they want is for somebody to support these bitches, they have no interest in fixing anything.

    There's not enough MGTOW's to change society, no matter how driven we are. All we can do is what we're doing, which is spread the word and hope there's more of us around later. If women and their allies trash the country in the meantime, all we can do is get out of their way as best we can.
    I just went into paint to remove my buddy's info from this mailing card he received, it made his blood boil and he called it a teenage fuck-make-bucks program in the swampy bosom of big daddy government.

    The stratifying polarization of men with commonsense is stark and real! Everything government does is on borrowed time, borrowed dollars, borrowed trust, and it's 5 minutes to noon's deadline when the grim reaper of reality comes to collect.

    Well, I'm back to work on my outdoor wood furnace not subject to governing fools and the foolish things they do, the bubbles they create, the bubbles that pop, and the all around calamity from the dictates and decrees they preach and create from a pulpit of hypocrites and narcists!

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    We could waste a lot of time and energy operating at their level, marching up and down demanding our "rights". At the moment this is like a military tactical decision. We are at least temporarily out gunned. The female 51% of the population plus the blue pill "woke" men favor the feminist POV, and MGTOW looks like a minor fringe group. For the time being it's better to bide our time, work quietly, advancing our own personal interests and setting a good example. When the free money and easy life disappears, the shit-show will have to change. And then women will claim it was their idea. "Gee we really needed men all along.."

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Something a lot of men (even MGTOW's) don't stop to consider is the viral nature of MGTOW thought. Men who will never hear "MGTOW" are still MGTOW. Thing is, it doesn't take very much to warp the gravity of social stability, marriage and demographics. It takes shockingly little, fact.

    If just 5% of otherwise marriageable men nationwide voluntarily drop out of the market, the market will feel that. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. But the market will feel that.

    Frankly, I think we're way past 5%. If somebody were to tell me the actual number is 25% (and climbing!), I'd believe them. Because it's not difficult to find articles decrying the growing number of men who avowedly refuse marriage. We're not talking about articles written by a post-wall hag pissing and whining that she can't find a man with all the sixes either. Rather, these are articles which acknowledge (implicitly or explicitly) the number of men who refuse to get married, no matter the cost, no matter the consequences.

    Inactivism like refusing marriage under any circumstances speaks louder than all the MRA rallies in the world combined x10. Because the modern woman can and will laugh at MRA's. "Salty incel losers, tee hee," she'll giggle to herself. It's one thing for her to see men on TV demanding X, Y or Z.

    But it's quite another thing when 25% of the men in her life make no secret of the fact that they will never get married. She'll feel that. Same thing with all of her vapid friends. As the wall looms, these women won't see anything remotely funny about having 25% (minimum) fewer marriage prospects at their disposal. On the contrary, that's a dire threat to their hopes and dreams.

    Being refused access to men's resources isn't in her script. But it is definitely in ours. Turns out, our script was the only one that ever mattered.

    It's worth remembering that only about 33% of American colonials supported armed rebellion against the crown. Everyone else either supported the king or else didn't care. And look how that turned out with only 33%. So, what happens when it's not 25% of men who refuse marriage anymore? What happens if the number approaches 50%? Nobody's qualified to say. But, again, it will be more than nothing. That's for sure.

    So, next time somebody tries to convince any of you to paint a target on your back by going to some silly rally and making a fool (and a pariah) out of yourself, remember this post. Just refuse to get married and go your own way. The rest will take care of itself.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    The Powers that Be have been working for 70 years to undermine the extended/nuclear family, and increase economic/social inequality, and convert citizens into serfs,

    Men living up to 1950s traditional roles and responsibilities, while women insist on 2020 modern roles and privileges is not working for men. It is "selective equality."

    The burden for men is heavier.

    Not only in the husband is expected to work to create enough a surplus to keep a wife in a housed and fed (as the house gets ever bigger and the list of 'necessities' keeps getting longer), but he is expected to support

    - feral single mothers
    - their resource intensive feral spawn
    - an older generation of 'empress dowager' widows and never married older women.

    This added stress is partially responsible for the disparity in life expectancy between men and women.
    The reward for supporting so many women is the early death by overwork for men.

    We are not going to vote our way out of it.
    If voting changed things, do you really think you would be allowed to vote?

    The factory is mistreating us - the workers - so we have gone on strike.
    The plantation has only one role for us - as slaves - so we are running away.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    There's no point. Liberals know what they're doing, especially on the cultural front. They know how to play the long game. If you're the loudest voice, the goalposts will move. They've poured on the "wokeness" very heavy over the last couple of years. Now, there's a bit of a backlash against it. But, they know that culture has shifted. Think of society and culture as an indicator on a slide. In the case of the US, that indicator tends to sit just right of center. Sure it has moved farther left and right depending on the year, but center right is the default. In recent decades, an incredibly loud and even violent vocal minority has helped push that indicator hard left. Now, as it's sliding back to the center, it will settle farther left than the usual default. The US may retain all the worst aspects of capitalism- after all, our politicians will always answer to "Big Money," but culturally/socially, we are steadily marching to the left. At best, men will be ignored or dismissed if they organize, protest, advocate, etc. At worst, they'll become targets for daring to go against the new normal. Men lost this fight long ago. The time to fight was 30-40 years ago. Now, all we can do is sit back and watch the decline.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Quote Originally Posted by Gravemind View Post

    At home, DON'T become a stay at home Dad. Don't let them try to emasculate you and put you in the home like their little bitch while they're out making bank in some big wig corporate position. I know guys today think that sounds like a great deal (some of my friends are like this), but it isn't, because that is not a masculine position to be in and it is dangerous for men to not be in masculine positions. You really want to be your wife's housewife and have her get mad at you for not having dinner on the table when she gets home? Is this what men are okay with now? You want her to be the one throwing your boxers on the ground during sex like some crumpled up panties after you're done with dishes? Don't take a woman's position in the home and don't let women dominate you. I'm not saying not to help out and do your part at home if you are in that situation, but don't submit to her and take on a woman's role. If you do, she won't respect you, society won't respect you and you won't respect yourself. Be a fucking man. If she is going upward in her career or education, you need to as well. We all need to. Don't let women take over these colleges and don't let them take all of the nice, high-paying corporate jobs.
    I disagree. This is the only circumstance where men can benefit from the marriage/divorce/industrial complex, and beat Divorce, Inc.

    For the state, marriage is not the joining of two people, but an agreement to ensure you do not leave a burden on the welfare state upon the dissolution of the marriage contract. This is why Family Court awards so much cash and prizes to most women.

    The non-working partner will get the house, children, and money to support the house and children.

    The stay-at-home-Dad, or Mr. Mom, has unlimited time to bond with the children. He makes their breakfast, takes them to school, picks them up from school, etc. When the wife tries to get a divorce, the children can be counted on telling the social worker and judge that they want to live with daddy. And since courts do not want to disrupt the children's lives, whoever gets the kids, gets the house, and hence child support. If he can show that his job prospects have been harmed by devoting himself to homemaking, he will probably be able to get 'support payments' or even alimony.

    Women instinctively know that marriage is an unequal proposition for the higher earning partner. The CEO might marry the receptionist, the executive might marry his secretary, the Richard Gere character might marry the girl that works in the factory or the escort (the 'happy ending' of An Officer and a Gentleman and "Pretty Woman," but that comes with accepting the essential risk that if "she's not happy," and she wants to leave, she is going to be compensated for the waste of some of her key reproductive years.

    That is why there are few couples where she is a heart surgeon and he is a school teacher, or she is a high powered attorney and he is a car salesman, or she is a politician and he is an electrician. Deep down, they know that marriage is the ultimate fall back position when they no longer want to work or that modeling or entrepreneurial career never works out. She can quit working and society expects the husband to support her non-working ass for the next 40 years.
    By being treated in the manner that Family Courts usually treat women, Mr. Mom stands a much better chance of not losing his house, car, and standard of living than any working stiff tradcon husband.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: We need to advocate for men like feminists advocate for women

    Quote Originally Posted by OwenWentFullMGTOW View Post
    Something a lot of men (even MGTOW's) don't stop to consider is the viral nature of MGTOW thought. Men who will never hear "MGTOW" are still MGTOW. Thing is, it doesn't take very much to warp the gravity of social stability, marriage and demographics. It takes shockingly little, fact.

    If just 5% of otherwise marriageable men nationwide voluntarily drop out of the market, the market will feel that. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. But the market will feel that.

    Frankly, I think we're way past 5%. If somebody were to tell me the actual number is 25% (and climbing!), I'd believe them. Because it's not difficult to find articles decrying the growing number of men who avowedly refuse marriage. We're not talking about articles written by a post-wall hag pissing and whining that she can't find a man with all the sixes either. Rather, these are articles which acknowledge (implicitly or explicitly) the number of men who refuse to get married, no matter the cost, no matter the consequences.

    Inactivism like refusing marriage under any circumstances speaks louder than all the MRA rallies in the world combined x10. Because the modern woman can and will laugh at MRA's. "Salty incel losers, tee hee," she'll giggle to herself. It's one thing for her to see men on TV demanding X, Y or Z.

    But it's quite another thing when 25% of the men in her life make no secret of the fact that they will never get married. She'll feel that. Same thing with all of her vapid friends. As the wall looms, these women won't see anything remotely funny about having 25% (minimum) fewer marriage prospects at their disposal. On the contrary, that's a dire threat to their hopes and dreams.

    Being refused access to men's resources isn't in her script. But it is definitely in ours. Turns out, our script was the only one that ever mattered.

    It's worth remembering that only about 33% of American colonials supported armed rebellion against the crown. Everyone else either supported the king or else didn't care. And look how that turned out with only 33%. So, what happens when it's not 25% of men who refuse marriage anymore? What happens if the number approaches 50%? Nobody's qualified to say. But, again, it will be more than nothing. That's for sure.

    So, next time somebody tries to convince any of you to paint a target on your back by going to some silly rally and making a fool (and a pariah) out of yourself, remember this post. Just refuse to get married and go your own way. The rest will take care of itself.
    When a generation of women spend their 20s riding the Carousel, can't find a "good man" in their 30s, and then wind up their 50s trying to financially plan for the last third of their lives without a husband's resources, it will hit society with more impact than The Pill.

    The rules of the game will not change until women realize they are losing because men do not want to play.
    Nobody will care about homelessness until an equal amount of the homeless are women.
    Nobody will truly care about gender life expectancy gap until they start attending more funerals for grandmas than for grandpas.

    Draft registration will not end until the first planes with coffins filled with female corpses land at Dover, Delaware.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.


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