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    We Are Descending Rapidly into Cultural Madness (Feelings over Reality)

    "I do not write this to be cruel or judgmental. And I certainly don’t want to hurt anyone. To the contrary, I want to help. But I do write with a sense of urgency, both to the nation and to confused individuals like Demi Lovato, the latest to identify as non-binary and want to be called “they.”To the nation, I say this: Wake up! We are losing touch with reality and engaging in dangerous semantic and ideological games. Worse still, we are not providing the real help that struggling people need.
    To Demi Lovato, I say this: You are not non-binary, existing outside the realm of male or female. You are a confused woman needing help from the inside out. That’s why I will not refer to you as “they.” And I truly say this in love.
    Before we look at Lovato’s recent announcement, let me repeat what I have said many times before (here, quoting from a 2016 article), if perception is substituted for reality, there is no end to the social madness that follows , , ,

    You do not just have a man being named Woman of the Year.
    You do not just have a white woman who identifies as black.
    You have a father of 7 who identifies as a 6-year-old girl.
    You have a man who identifies as a dog named “Boomer.”
    You have a young lady who believes she is a cat trapped in a woman’s body.
    You have a man who has his ears removed because he identifies as a parrot.
    And you have a man who changed his identity to female but who has now had “her ears and nose REMOVED to transform into a 'dragon lady' with scales, a forked tongue and a horned skull.”

    But why not? More power to him/her/it! If that’s what he/she/it perceives himself/herself/itself to be, why not?
    To ask once more: why not? And how can there be any possible limit as to where this goes? There cannot.

    America, wake up. We are descending rapidly into cultural madness . . . . When it comes to someone like Demi Lovato, we are not talking about a person who is intersex, suffering a serious biological or chromosomal abnormality, because of which that person cannot truly identify as male or female. Such individuals deserve great compassion and sensitivity, and every case will be different in terms of what brings them emotional and physical wholeness. As for Lovato, in her own words, “this best represents the fluidity I feel in my gender expression. . . . I’m doing this for those out there that haven’t been able to share who they truly are with their loved ones.” In other words, “I don’t feel like I’m really female, and I’m not male, so I’ll just identify as non-binary, in solidarity with others who share these feelings.”
    Put another way (and using my words, not hers), “I am deeply confused.”


    Full article: https://townhall.com/columnists/mich...dness-n2589722
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    Re: We Are Descending Rapidly into Cultural Madness (Feelings over Reality)

    The great experiment called "mouse utopia" explains this. Without the challenges of survival all creatures lose their sense of purpose and grow insane.

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    Yes, but fires spread if not brought under control.

    From the linked article:

    But if I truly respect someone, I will not be a partner to their own delusion. Instead, I will commit to helping them to find their way back to reality, since our biological sex is not subject to our emotions or perceptions. It is what it is.
    This is close to where I stand. I will not be a party to anyone’s delusions but I don’t see how it’s possible to “truly respect” someone that claims to be something other than what they are, especially in the physical sense. I also wonder what effect this is having on our younger generations.

    I want to be… A tree!

    Or maybe a fire engine, they’re exciting but I don’t want to be ridden by half a dozen firemen.

    Or what about a dolphin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    I want to be… A tree!

    Or maybe a fire engine, they’re exciting but I don’t want to be ridden by half a dozen firemen.

    Or what about a dolphin?
    I want to be a .... knight templar from medieval crusades !!

    Nevermind that I am not their descendant, dont belong to that race, not a christian, cant speak latin or german, dont know a single thing about swordfighting or fighting in general...

    But hey, they look cool... so I identify as them !!!



    Though the woke crowd may not find them as cool ....
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    These are all liberal/progressive Democrats pushing this bullshit. Liberalism is a mind cancer. People are identifying as something they are not and they want everyone else to know it. If you misidentify someone, in some cases, you can go to jail, lose your job or whatever. As if I'm expected to know what everyone thinks of themselves as! Liberals, get off your foreign planet and join the realities of Earth!
    It's a man's world and we need to take it by the throat and make it give us what we desire.

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    Sure. But so what? Humans always have lived in cultural madness. The madness just change according to each place and time.

    Including that so called consevative people who believe in things like that sex before marriage is a sin and you can go to Hell, and that marriage is "sacred", and that a crucified mad guy is a kind of "God", and other shit like that. Just based on emotions and madness.

    Right and left, left and right, can kill themselves. They are the same anti-Mgtow shit after all. And I (and other Real red pilled Mgtows) dont buy these both shit anymore. Happily today we have more and more logical options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    Including that so called consevative people who believe in things like that sex before marriage is a sin and you can go to Hell, and that marriage is "sacred", and that a crucified mad guy is a kind of "God", and other shit like that. Just based on emotions and madness.
    Its not based on madness but on observation. Its just that people have forgotten about the observation. Traditional monogamous marriage is a contract, a middle ground between the masculine predator instincts and feminine predator instincts. You fuck with that, you will eventually fuck with the stability of the society.

    In that contract the man is supposed to demonstrate that he can fight and protect the family, and the woman is supposed to demonstrate that she is domesticated (docile) by being virgin.

    Yes its awful for both sides, its just awesome for civilizations and society, who needed to go to war with other civilizations and societies. And war and chaos always returns... just like its returning now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    Its not based on madness but on observation. Its just that people have forgotten about the observation. Traditional monogamous marriage is a contract, a middle ground between the masculine predator instincts and feminine predator instincts. You fuck with that, you will eventually fuck with the stability of the society.

    In that contract the man is supposed to demonstrate that he can fight and protect the family, and the woman is supposed to demonstrate that she is domesticated (docile) by being virgin.

    Yes its awful for both sides, its just awesome for civilizations and society, who needed to go to war with other civilizations and societies. And war and chaos always returns... just like its returning now.
    Observation, of course. But nowadays we can also observe other things about how "sacred" marriage really is. And just in some societies (some turned to bigamy, polygamy, according to what worked better in each place and time), and for some time and age (since decades ago, in our current society, marriage is really madness), and for some kind of people (specially for betas who had not good chances to attract women easily, marriage was a better negotiation. But some also turned into "solitary monks" as Mgtows nowadays, eh).

    Being useful is one thing, being sacred is another. Maybe people in the past could believe in such superstitions. But among people nowadays, seeing marriage still as sacred (and even as useful) really looks like just madness.

    And we can see it better when technology become more and more advanced. Remember what we talked in that thread about Artificial Wombs and Artificial Females. If it really happen in our lifetime, I am sure that we will see how relationships will change even more. And new kinds of war and chaos too. So lets see what will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    Observation, of course. But nowadays we can also observe other things about how "sacred" marriage really is.
    In present age, we have very little conflict, which is why people have this misguided notion of "freedom" to do whatever they want, all the time. When you have no conflict, you can afford to cut some slack to personal discipline. And this extends to civilizations too. The west had no external threat for a very long time in recent history. The people actually thought that their machines and industries have solved all the problems forever, not just for them but for the whole world.

    Only now we are witnessing how terribly wrong we were...

    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    Being useful is one thing, being sacred is another. Maybe people in the past could believe in such superstitions. But among people nowadays, seeing marriage still as sacred (and even as useful) really looks like just madness.
    Making something sacred by propaganda is a very cost efficient way to make people behave in a way which diverges from letting them run amok, wild and free. If you dont make it sacred then you will have to resort to fascism, which is costly. It requires maintaining constant supervision and threat. Making something sacred or religious basically transfers that cost to a fictional entity (god), thus effectively eliminating it. People respond better from the threat of god than from some arcane and complex observations and derivations.

    That is also something which is observed all the time. Fascism and religion succeed in controlling the people. Everything else results in the madness you speak of, and the madness we are seeing. One may wish that people at large follow the logic and reason, but they dont.

    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    And we can see it better when technology become more and more advanced. Remember what we talked in that thread about Artificial Wombs and Artificial Females. If it really happen in our lifetime, I am sure that we will see how relationships will change even more. And new kinds of war and chaos too. So lets see what will happen.
    Yes, that remains to be seen, but the tech isnt here yet. It might be very near, it may come within the next decade, but not here yet. Until the tech arrives and becomes widespread, the problems it aims to solve, require traditional solutions. If those problems are not solved, then they will only increase in their magnitude, both in terms of intensity and spread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    In present age, we have very little conflict, which is why people have this misguided notion of "freedom" to do whatever they want, all the time. When you have no conflict, you can afford to cut some slack to personal discipline. And this extends to civilizations too. The west had no external threat for a very long time in recent history. The people actually thought that their machines and industries have solved all the problems forever, not just for them but for the whole world.

    Only now we are witnessing how terribly wrong we were...

    Making something sacred by propaganda is a very cost efficient way to make people behave in a way which diverges from letting them run amok, wild and free. If you dont make it sacred then you will have to resort to fascism, which is costly. It requires maintaining constant supervision and threat. Making something sacred or religious basically transfers that cost to a fictional entity (god), thus effectively eliminating it. People respond better from the threat of god than from some arcane and complex observations and derivations.

    That is also something which is observed all the time. Fascism and religion succeed in controlling the people. Everything else results in the madness you speak of, and the madness we are seeing. One may wish that people at large follow the logic and reason, but they dont.

    Yes, that remains to be seen, but the tech isnt here yet. It might be very near, it may come within the next decade, but not here yet. Until the tech arrives and becomes widespread, the problems it aims to solve, require traditional solutions. If those problems are not solved, then they will only increase in their magnitude, both in terms of intensity and spread.
    So not for me. I think that using traditional fake "solutions" will just keep people in laziness and misery instead of working and creating new Real Solutions (like new ideas and technologies).

    Maybe if we just let the problems to be increased, in their magnitude in terms of intensity and spread, this will make more men to search and work more for better and real Solutions.

    By the way, it is in hard times that some technologies are better developed. Coronavirus crisis just made scientists create in less than 2 years some vaccines that they think that could be created only in the next decade. Maybe we can do the same about Artificial Wombs and Females. We just need to spread more the new ideas instead of spreading no-more-useful ideas of the past.

    And it does not even need to be based on logics only. I agree that most people are more inclined to follow something that they see as sacred than something they see as logical, and sometimes I do the same too. But I believe that some things to be sacred needs to have some kind of logics. We can mix the two things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    And it does not even need to be based on logics only. I agree that most people are more inclined to follow something that they see as sacred than something they see as logical, and sometimes I do the same too. But I believe that some things to be sacred needs to have some kind of logics. We can mix the two things.
    Yes, you can mix... until you are under existential threat, from an enemy group, tribe, nation, civilization or from the elements of nature itself. The benefit of logic is victory in a conflict or not getting extinct. If in a conflict, you go extinct, then the nature/evolution has passed a judgement that you made some mistake which you shouldnt have done.

    And there were many societies and tribes who went extinct in the past. I mentioned it elsewhere too, and worth mentioning here, lookup the Indo-European (Aryan) expansion which happened many thousands of years ago.

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    So not for me. I think that using traditional fake "solutions" will just keep people in laziness and misery instead of working and creating new Real Solutions (like new ideas and technologies).

    Maybe if we just let the problems to be increased, in their magnitude in terms of intensity and spread, this will make more men to search and work more for better and real Solutions.
    Yes that method sure works. The thing about that is, that its also a very killer method. Before the solutions are found, there will be lots of dead people, who were accustomed to comfortable world and were not equipped to deal with the hand of evolution/entropy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    By the way, it is in hard times that some technologies are better developed. Coronavirus crisis just made scientists create in less than 2 years some vaccines that they think that could be created only in the next decade. Maybe we can do the same about Artificial Wombs and Females. We just need to spread more the new ideas instead of spreading no-more-useful ideas of the past.
    It can be argued by a very lengthy debate that the vaccines are more dangerous than useful. But see, here is the problem. Most of the people would rather follow a church they trust. It can be a bunch of religious conservatives who are anti-vax because the people they lookup to are anti-vax. And on the other hand you will have a bunch of people who lookup to the "cathedral" of science and medicine. Which is an industrial complex. A debate done by scientific method is a conflict, where you need to WIN. Its very different from a bunch of people sharing their opinions.

    The "scientific method" is NOT about following a church or cathedral. Its about painstakingly going through all the data, understanding how to apply the method, and then doing all the work and reaching the conclusions. And in future when new data comes, updating the old conclusions. Using that its not even hard to demonstrate that the anti-covid-vax stance is actually the superior stance, but that is its own topic and nobody really wants to do the work, they have their churches to follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    Yes, you can mix... until you are under existential threat, from an enemy group, tribe, nation, civilization or from the elements of nature itself. The benefit of logic is victory in a conflict or not getting extinct. If in a conflict, you go extinct, then the nature/evolution has passed a judgement that you made some mistake which you shouldnt have done.

    And there were many societies and tribes who went extinct in the past. I mentioned it elsewhere too, and worth mentioning here, lookup the Indo-European (Aryan) expansion which happened many thousands of years ago.
    To be under existential threat actually seems to be the best moment to mix beliefs in what is sacred and what is logical at the same time. Because using illogical solutions based on faith only, to try to solve a problem, can make things worse.

    So people can use logics to realise what really works. And what works can be considered as sacred after all. Looks a more useful mix. And many times things really worked this way.

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    Yes that method sure works. The thing about that is, that its also a very killer method. Before the solutions are found, there will be lots of dead people, who were accustomed to comfortable world and were not equipped to deal with the hand of evolution/entropy.
    A lot of people always died and will die anyway. Soon or later the shit will hit the fan again. Lets see if now at least people will die for solutions that Really works. Or if all those people will keep dying for stupid and fake ideas. But if it keeps happening, ok. Natural selection dont care, neither do I.

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    It can be argued by a very lengthy debate that the vaccines are more dangerous than useful. But see, here is the problem. Most of the people would rather follow a church they trust. It can be a bunch of religious conservatives who are anti-vax because the people they lookup to are anti-vax. And on the other hand you will have a bunch of people who lookup to the "cathedral" of science and medicine. Which is an industrial complex. A debate done by scientific method is a conflict, where you need to WIN. Its very different from a bunch of people sharing their opinions.

    The "scientific method" is NOT about following a church or cathedral. Its about painstakingly going through all the data, understanding how to apply the method, and then doing all the work and reaching the conclusions. And in future when new data comes, updating the old conclusions. Using that its not even hard to demonstrate that the anti-covid-vax stance is actually the superior stance, but that is its own topic and nobody really wants to do the work, they have their churches to follow.
    About this I agree that we can not talk about yet. We have some numbers, but only in the future we can see if all those covid vaccines are really effective. Even so, we can see scientists doing something faster and trying to create more practical solutions. But if those vaccines dont work, we will see. They can not hide all the numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    To be under existential threat actually seems to be the best moment to mix beliefs in what is sacred and what is logical at the same time. Because using illogical solutions based on faith only, to try to solve a problem, can make things worse.

    So people can use logics to realise what really works. And what works can be considered as sacred after all. Looks a more useful mix. And many times things really worked this way.
    You are conflating my point of "applying logic" with "doing the correct thing". You can do the correct thing without applying logic. And you can do the incorrect even after applying logic (eg: errors in calculations).

    In existential threat, the best strategy wins. That has happened all throughout the history. Because that is how the merit of strategy is defined. People resort to sacred because sometimes logic dictates you to do a ridiculous task, which requires lots of courage. Most people are too weak to have that kind of will to do that without having some comfort from the feeling of fictional guardian or whatever. Its not different from getting performance drugs before a fight.

    Applying logic deals with HOW you arrived at your conclusions and decisions, and not about the decisions themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    A lot of people always died and will die anyway. Soon or later the shit will hit the fan again. Lets see if now at least people will die for solutions that Really works. Or if all those people will keep dying for stupid and fake ideas. But if it keeps happening, ok. Natural selection dont care, neither do I.
    Agreed. But this can be applied in both directions in any situation. Like vaccines and covid for example. On one side you can say, let the people who dont get vaccine die from covid, and on other side one can say let the people who took poison die. But they wont say it openly, they will always wrap it up under "saving lives". Its either "vaccine saves lives" or "not getting poison saves lives". Its never about saving lives, its about killing the enemy. Always was, and always will be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    About this I agree that we can not talk about yet. We have some numbers, but only in the future we can see if all those covid vaccines are really effective. Even so, we can see scientists doing something faster and trying to create more practical solutions. But if those vaccines dont work, we will see. They can not hide all the numbers.
    No, we CAN talk about it. The thing is, that the people who dont understand scientific method is, that they think that it can be applied only on CORRECT data. That is not the case. No data is guaranteed to be correct. Scientific method is designed to work with uncertainties in the data. What NOT works with incorrect data are non scientific methods. That can be following some church, or some propaganda, or the feelings, or some god. Any of those methods will fall flat on their face if the data from the very source they are relying upon, is flawed.

    The scientific method on the other hand, doesnt need to WAIT for correct data whatsoever. In fact, and this surprises lots of people, the underlying assumption in that method is, no data can EVER be 100% correct, the faulty data is all what we will ever have !
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post

    The scientific method on the other hand, doesnt need to WAIT for correct data whatsoever. In fact, and this surprises lots of people, the underlying assumption in that method is, no data can EVER be 100% correct, the faulty data is all what we will ever have !
    And this I also know. By the way, I remember that I thought to write about it in that my other thread about religions and philosophies. For instance, that some atheists call themselves "skeptics" but at the same time they believe in Science in a dogmatic way, as if Science can make we know a complete true.

    But the original and actual meaning of Skepticism is actually dont believing in anything as a complete true. All that we know as a true fact can be changed in the future, if we found new data.

    But this is another topic. It makes me think if it is a good idea to write about Skepticism in that threat about Religions and Philosophies. This was my idea some weeks ago actually, but I changed my mind since I dont have enough informations about this Philosophy yet. So I will decide later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    And this I also know. By the way, I remember that I thought to write about it in that my other thread about religions and philosophies. For instance, that some atheists call themselves "skeptics" but at the same time they believe in Science in a dogmatic way, as if Science can make we know a complete true.

    But the original and actual meaning of Skepticism is actually dont believing in anything as a complete true. All that we know as a true fact can be changed in the future, if we found new data.

    But this is another topic. It makes me think if it is a good idea to write about Skepticism in that threat about Religions and Philosophies. This was my idea some weeks ago actually, but I changed my mind since I dont have enough informations about this Philosophy yet. So I will decide later.
    Yes, I have said several times, that people following "science" dont understand scientific method. They seek "truth", like every other person following any non-scientific method.

    The scientific method doesnt give you "truth", it gives you the "best known method" to deal with the problem at hand. You can see this post I made, detailing why scientific method works and why it beats every other method (its amazingly simple, really) :

    https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgto...87/#post157987
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