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    The video "Women donít matter | The individual does", and the falacy of individuality.

    In the latest huMan video (https://youtube.com/watch?v=xEku6PrmPtQ) he goes about relating to people in an individual basis, without group ou gender preconceptions. And he actually expects others to do the same for him. He speaks on "paying attention" and being "aware"...

    For thouse that are involved in spiritual matters, especially the non-dualist type, what he talks about is clear: wake up from you conditioned responses. In other words, he speaks of enlightenment.

    Just that, the thing that millions seek for ages. The million to one outcome of the million to one person who tries.

    I refuse to signin for youtube, and my response would not be good enough. I takes a long post to talk about this. So, i will present my thinking here in the hopes that is usefull for others.

    First let us look into imitating behaviour, instead of having the values and awareness that lead to behaviour. In psychological or spiritual things, either you understand yourself or you dont. If you dont, then pretending you do will be of no use.
    Take the "self-value" thing; if you dont value yourself it makes you no good to pretend you do. You can act the thing, but you cannot actually understand it. Therefore even your acting will miss the point. You might end up reacting to someone criticizing you just to "defend your honor", when actually you are only defending your ego from criticism you cannot take - because you dont like yourself and cannot accept any negative reflection.

    There are several degrees of awareness, and you can be aware of the person in front of you instead of having auto-pilot reactions... To a degree. Because you are not aware of what you are not aware, and therefore we are extremely good at fooling ourselves.
    If we sit across a table pretending to be aware of the person instead of having preconceived ideas, we might be fooling ourselves because our most important instinct is sex and we are social beings (we want intimacy).

    Our greatest mistakes in life (especially with women) are made because we refuse to see reality! We want some things more than we value others, and refuse to see anything against it.

    The greatest awareness we can have is that WE DO THAT! It is the most important discovery, because it makes you suspicious of yourself. And you should.

    So, right at the beginning we see a problem whit huMan's idea. Most people dont have the necessary awareness to operate like this, and they will use this excuse to fool thenselves even more!

    "HuMan says I have to look at this female individual in front of me, instead of the preconceptions of the group. She is hot!"
    And just like that the little head takes over, while the big head rationalise whatever happens as the result of being "aware" and more "evolved" than all other men, thus deserving a special treatment from the universe. And beleiving that the woman in front of you will love you for your uniqueness.

    FUCK! That is how we got here in the first place!
    Men beleiving they were better than other men by being more open and understanding, while ignoring the proven concepts of our ancestors.

    Preconceptions have a bad reputation, akin to some type of bigotry. But in fact we live constantly under preconceptions that save our life!
    I dont want to be involved in a car crash because I have a prejudice against it: I think it might injure me. The fact that I was involved in several accidents without injuries does not disprove that preconception. Because I know by looking at reality that it happens to others, therefore I do not want that to happen.

    Looking at the consequences of relationships with women and saying that men almost all the times get hurt and have their life ruined is a true statement.

    It is not a bigoted concept, it is an observation of reality. If you dont apply this observation in your life, then you are a fool. You are fooling yourself to think "it will not happen to me", when you know it happens to almost everybody.

    That disdain for "preconceptions" and "generalisations" is a ploy to erase memory and observation, and operate under deception.

    If you sit across a woman talking, she is deceiving you. You will not look into her true self until she acheives her goal and drops her defences. The worst of them would not even wait to fool you, and jump to the obnoxious phase. Congratulations, you can spot them! But otherwise, good luck being "aware of the person" fooling you.


    Women (and people in general, including ourselves) change their reasoning according to convenience. Some men have a bit more of integrity, some...

    But it means that women will beleive to be true what they are saying to manipulate you. That is what makes good liars.

    And even if they are one person at one time, they can change and justify whatever nutty behavior the wish to engage in. In MGTOW we talk about a ticking time-bomb. Because that is a real, observable thing.

    So, I will argue against that thesis. I have to say that you have to be aware of THE GROUP and learn what they have DONE and what they CAN DO. You have to look at the PREVALENCE and the CONSEQUENCES. Only then you can access the risk of going blindfolded into a relationshit.

    It is not only that you need to be AWARE, it is WHEN you are aware: when you have observable long term data of multiple experiences, or when you are inside one developing experience in a stage were obfuscation and manipulation work alongside your irrational desires?

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    Re: The video "Women donít matter | The individual does", and the falacy of individuality.

    Developing the subject of the video, it also contains an interesting issue: we want others to know, understand and accept us.

    Why?

    To gain validation from them.

    But that is a weakness, because it is an excellent tool for others to manipulate you. And what if others value things you are not? Do you hide that or do you try to take the appearance that you are that thing that is value?

    Women are creatures of social consensus, maleable chameleons that adapt to what they perceive to get them approval and recognition.

    Are we men like that?

    The red pill notion of self-actualization comes from a need of self-validation. Only with these tools a man can defend himself from a society that forces conformity and exploits people through their insecurities.

    The need for external validation is an insecurity that is exploited by others.

    The paradox is that nobody values someone that seeks validation. The more you need it, the less people respect you. But if you dont seek their aproval, if you do your own thing and you are good at it, then people respect you.

    So, I would ask huMan, why would we need others to know our ideas and positions in a world and time that can cancel you for wrong ideas and positions?

    The individual is in war with society, that tries to crush his individuality. You dont win wars by being transparent and honest. You win this war by secrecy and disinformation.

    That is why it is usefull to be a gray man, a ghost in the machine. You get to live for yourself without being impede.

    Dont ask for understanding. It is overrated and you won't get in anyway.

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    Re: The video "Women donít matter | The individual does", and the falacy of individuality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    If you sit across a woman talking, she is deceiving you. You will not look into her true self until she acheives her goal and drops her defences. The worst of them would not even wait to fool you, and jump to the obnoxious phase. Congratulations, you can spot them! But otherwise, good luck being "aware of the person" fooling you.
    The answer is to never listen to a woman speaking.
    I can nod and smile for 10 minutes without hearing a word they're saying.
    They can't fool/deceive/manipulate if you aren't listening.

    It works with everyone, in almost any situation.
    No need to discuss or engage with the enemy (of either sex), float through your life without even arguing or discussing in person.
    Nobody I ever meet needs to know my thoughts, no need to ever reveal yourself to others.

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    Re: The video "Women donít matter | The individual does", and the falacy of individuality.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWalton View Post
    No need to discuss or engage with the enemy (of either sex), float through your life without even arguing or discussing in person.
    Nobody I ever meet needs to know my thoughts, no need to ever reveal yourself to others.
    Wise words to live by.

    But notice that you have to determine who is your enemy... Something that can only be done by looking at their behaviour as a group. Individually you can relate to most people until they stab you in the back, because the group says so.

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    Re: The video "Women donít matter | The individual does", and the falacy of individuality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    Wise words to live by.

    But notice that you have to determine who is your enemy...
    Not that hard to determine, everyone is my enemy (if given the chance).

    Q: Who is it most likely for your wife to cheat on you with?
    A: Your brother or your best friend.

    From my past .........
    My best friends wife cheated on him with me (and everyone else).
    My best friend didn't bang my wife, but he did help her load the car when she abducted my children and dog.
    (not the same guy for both events)
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    Re: The video "Women donít matter | The individual does", and the falacy of individuality.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWalton View Post
    Not that hard to determine, everyone is my enemy (if given the chance).

    Q: Who is it most likely for your wife to cheat on you with?
    A: Your brother or your best friend.

    From my past .........
    My best friends wife cheated on him with me (and everyone else).
    My best friend didn't bang my wife, but he did help her load the car when she abducted my children and dog.
    (not the same guy for both events)
    Fool #2 was an idiot for helping her load the car! How could he not see the danger of getting Louie (Louisville Slugger) up side the head?

    Man + Woman + another Man= C3H5(ONO2)3 (nitroglycerin) in any amount, any concentration, and any combination! I did the math!
    We are lawfully exiled by the alterations and changes made to this social compact called government, its body politic now cancerous and destructive to its own ends.

    A man is on his own, always was, always will be.

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    Re: The video "Women donít matter | The individual does", and the falacy of individuality.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWalton View Post
    My best friends wife cheated on him with me (and everyone else).
    No, you knowingly fucked your best friend's wife.

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    Re: The video "Women donít matter | The individual does", and the falacy of individuality.

    I didn't bother watching huMAN's video; because I could see where it was going right off the bat - and I will say at the outset from what Manfred has summarised - that huMAN is going FAR OFF from MGTOW - and far into TRADCON/TRADCUCK domain; and perniciously so by the back door I might add!

    I will add my own comments on Manfred's post because I really think we have some similarities - and I think I can clarify further my own ideas for the benefit of the gentlemen on this forum.

    Preconceptions have a bad reputation, akin to some type of bigotry. But in fact we live constantly under preconceptions that save our life!
    I live in London, and there plenty of gypsies who try to steal my belongings and valuables. If I see a gypsy; I would make a very quick judgement to run the fuck away and keep my guard up.

    So is that a "preconception"? Only a fool would think such a "preconception" is inaccurate.

    Looking at the consequences of relationships with women and saying that men almost all the times get hurt and have their life ruined is a true statement.

    It is not a bigoted concept, it is an observation of reality. If you dont apply this observation in your life, then you are a fool. You are fooling yourself to think "it will not happen to me", when you know it happens to almost everybody.

    That disdain for "preconceptions" and "generalisations" is a ploy to erase memory and observation, and operate under deception.
    Indeed, indeed.

    This "disdain" is usually deployed by the elites to keep the sheeple in check - or it comes from someone who with a "holier than thou" or "I'm enlightened and you aren't" type of attitude - which is really actually quite SMUG and narcissistic. It is an appeal to pseudo - religious garbage just like Karma and all the other ideas that the average maggot believes to make himself feel good about his own self.

    Often, you get unemployed, poor and weak losers who give advice about "living a good life" "living a moral life" - dude spare me the fucking misery; those fuckers haven't spent one day in the working world - they do not know jack shit about the world.

    Likewise, it is my conviction that in fact huMAN and many other MGTOW's are appealing to something grander to make up for some void in their lives; whilst at the same-time trying to convince everyone else that this "void" has been "filled" eg via enlightenment, via oneness, via meditation, via "awareness" as Manfred has mentioned.

    It is all just a form of self-flagellation. Let's look at things practically.

    I go out to meet a nice girl, she is sexy, hot "London Girl" - enjoys the good life with cocktails and parties. Or let's say she is a lover of books, and is the intellectual type.

    Do you think me being "aware" and being more "in touch" or "conscious" is going to have jack shit on the consequences of the interaction? Or the consequences of how I feel about myself during and after the interaction?

    NO!

    At the end of the day, I am going out with her to have a good time - but also to relieve myself sexually! And she will have her own reasons, and often times, for a 5"7 below average guy like me, her reason won't be sex, but it will highly likely be to milk me of free dinners and cocktails. This is likely true for the book nerd.

    Why? Because women DO NOT GIVE A FUCK about the "inner" quality of anything. They have an external criteria and if you do not fit that criteria, then not only are you a nuisance, you are by default a rapist!

    Now, does this mean women do not like well mannered men? Not true, they do - but that is an added benefit only once said man satisfies the physical criteria. Anyone telling you otherwise is simply lying through their fucking teeth!


    If you sit across a woman talking, she is deceiving you. You will not look into her true self until she acheives her goal and drops her defences. The worst of them would not even wait to fool you, and jump to the obnoxious phase. Congratulations, you can spot them! But otherwise, good luck being "aware of the person" fooling you.
    I was speaking about this very subject a few days back. My mate said "okay I understand women are manipulative, but how would you understand female manipulation? Aren't you supposed to go out and meet more women to understand female manipulation?"

    You see, he is right in one sense, but in another sense he is being manipulative himself!

    The reasons is quite similar to what Manfred has summarised "good luck "being aware" of the person fooling you".

    I CANNOT BELIEVE I HAVE TO REPEAT THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!

    WOMEN ARE HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY INTELLIEGNT, SHREWD, COLD AND CALCULATIVE CREATURES - THEY HIAVE HONED THEIR MANIPULATION SKILLS FOR AEONS!!!

    YOU CANNOT JUST LEARN TO "BE AWARE" IN A FEW YEARS OR EVEN A LIFETIME!!

    In addition, men are stunted because their mothers wilfully hide information about female manipulation - and when you learn about it - it is still too late.

    I am the most fucking INTENSE MGTOW you will ever meet - but even I, even I Opaque cannot reach the intellect and shrewdness of a 10 year old girl! So imagine dealing with a career minded, professional cunt with a masters or PHD?

    You have no chance - not because you are inferior, but because society has set you up for failure and stunted your growth so much - that the learning curve is too deep!

    Therefore it is only sane and logical to disengage as much as possible for dealings with women - because the game is rigged in her favour in so many ways!

    The likes of huMAN man call me despondent - I call myself simply rational and sane!

    In conclusion, so called "MGTOW" like this huMAN is actually asking other men to behave irrationally and ignore their own instinct, experience, knowledge and other people's advice and data which is clear for everyone to see!

    He is actually asking you to be irrational - what a shabby affair this video was!
    A mother cannot raise a boy to be a man, not because he needs a father figure; but because she favours team vagina over her own son.

    Tradcon women are the most manipulative of all kinds of women, because they infect you with false hope.
    Radfems are your best friend, because they hate you and verbalise it - that's honesty!

    The red pill rage is a process which takes many many years - so be kind and patient with yourself; you will overcome it!

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    Re: The video "Women donít matter | The individual does", and the falacy of individuality.

    ^^ Absolutely right.
    I've gone a different way from "Return of Kings" and just pay.
    I can get a better looking woman than your 'hot London girl' any time for $50 with another $10 for the short-time room.
    That probably works out at less then the dinner and drinks you had to pay for, and with a guaranteed result.

    I don't need any 'clown game' and no need to pretend to be anything except what I am, a paying customer.
    No endless hours to improve myself, no expensive shoes/suits/haircuts, no hours of pointless talking, all that BS out the window.

    My pals and I spent hours trying to find a photo of Roosh with an attractive women, one that he managed to 'game' into bed.
    There were none, they were all second string club sluts that I wouldn't have even considered taking to bed.
    So you spent hundreds of hours improving your game, then $200 on dinner and drinks for her in an attempt to get 'free' sex from a 6/7, do me a favour!

    Women are for sale, no need to game them, just pay the price they want for what you want.
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    Re: The video "Women donít matter | The individual does", and the falacy of individuality.

    WOMEN ARE HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY INTELLIEGNT, SHREWD, COLD AND CALCULATIVE CREATURES - THEY HIAVE HONED THEIR MANIPULATION SKILLS FOR AEONS!!!

    YOU CANNOT JUST LEARN TO "BE AWARE" IN A FEW YEARS OR EVEN A LIFETIME!!
    Total dissociation was the concrete roadbed I needed to achieve where I am today, and that's firmly cemented in the truth of reality I witness everyday. Roll with the punches is a good analogy, retreat, retreat, retreat, glancing blows give you more time and ability to avoid the knockout, take-down, heel stomp your life into the ground, then pour gasoline on you and set you alight!

    Avoiding an adversary is like a white water rafter navigating around the boulders, the falls, and avoiding the eddies.

    TRADCON PLANET is the patriarchy law and order ended, time has no reverse, it only moves forward, and those looking backwards while time goes forward, will not see the hazards coming or take the evasive maneuvers needed.

    Tradcons race around an oval track in a demolition derby that once had some sort of order, MGTOW don't drive in circles with wrecked cars thinking it's an F-1 Grand Prix at Monaco!

    In fact, MGTOW don't use steering wheels and tires, we use yoke, peddles, and throttle! WE FLY!

    I wonder what man somewhere (while I'm writing this) is having his guts torn out, his life destroyed, or facing false charges, in a vicious bitter encounter with the other sex?

    Odds have nothing to do with blind luck, form a safe pattern of living without the other sex then "odds" will improve your "luck".

    You have no chance - not because you are inferior, but because society has set you up for failure and stunted your growth so much - that the learning curve is too deep!
    Yes, absolutely, all men have been damaged directly and indirectly by the transformation to a misandrous racist culture that favors certain gender and ethnicity over their narrative target, with that being caucasian men, pushed into economic extinction through education and opportunity deprivation via affirmative action and control over the media narrative.

    I'll even take it one step further, I listen to preachers say things like; Adam brought sin into the world when "he" bit the "apple". I say bullshit! Back it up, Eve bit the apple then "persuaded" (manipulated) Adam to follow "her lead". This blame theme has been reincarnated in every circuit of the MATRIX we have today!

    The only friend man has is directly with his maker and other men that see the same thing! We are all alone in a world that made it this way! We are the sacrificial scapegoat for all the world's ailments! We go in the fire for crimes we did not commit, it's no wonder houses of worship are now a female domain preaching the same misandry inundated message also preached by society, the media, and yes, CONSCRIPTED BY THE LAW OF THE LAND!

    God as my witness, if I had all the launch codes, this blue and white marble would be dull drab grey!

    Women are for sale, no need to game them, just pay the price they want for what you want.
    Gee? Now what do I want? Oh, I can't have "that", I must settle for rubbing my dick on a communicable toilet seat after dropping a dime in the slot? No, I will not settle for that, I guess I must trim down my "wants" and throw them in the fire, Oh wait' I already did that!

    Lets change the narrative, how much would it take to pay me to rub my dick allover a public toilet?

    I think we have a slight difference of opinions when it comes to values and what we choose to cherish, or despise.

    In my world they're all broken porcelain and worthless to me, all the while holding my sledgehammer and covered in porcelain dust!

    Female attention and affirmation holds as much value to me as and old worn out dry-rot tire (tyre)!
    We are lawfully exiled by the alterations and changes made to this social compact called government, its body politic now cancerous and destructive to its own ends.

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    Re: The video "Women donít matter | The individual does", and the falacy of individuality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    In the latest huMan video (https://youtube.com/watch?v=xEku6PrmPtQ) he goes about relating to people in an individual basis, without group ou gender preconceptions. And he actually expects others to do the same for him. He speaks on "paying attention" and being "aware"...

    For thouse that are involved in spiritual matters, especially the non-dualist type, what he talks about is clear: wake up from you conditioned responses. In other words, he speaks of enlightenment.

    Just that, the thing that millions seek for ages. The million to one outcome of the million to one person who tries.

    I refuse to signin for youtube, and my response would not be good enough. I takes a long post to talk about this. So, i will present my thinking here in the hopes that is usefull for others.

    First let us look into imitating behaviour, instead of having the values and awareness that lead to behaviour. In psychological or spiritual things, either you understand yourself or you dont. If you dont, then pretending you do will be of no use.
    Take the "self-value" thing; if you dont value yourself it makes you no good to pretend you do. You can act the thing, but you cannot actually understand it. Therefore even your acting will miss the point. You might end up reacting to someone criticizing you just to "defend your honor", when actually you are only defending your ego from criticism you cannot take - because you dont like yourself and cannot accept any negative reflection.

    There are several degrees of awareness, and you can be aware of the person in front of you instead of having auto-pilot reactions... To a degree. Because you are not aware of what you are not aware, and therefore we are extremely good at fooling ourselves.
    If we sit across a table pretending to be aware of the person instead of having preconceived ideas, we might be fooling ourselves because our most important instinct is sex and we are social beings (we want intimacy).

    Our greatest mistakes in life (especially with women) are made because we refuse to see reality! We want some things more than we value others, and refuse to see anything against it.

    The greatest awareness we can have is that WE DO THAT! It is the most important discovery, because it makes you suspicious of yourself. And you should.

    So, right at the beginning we see a problem whit huMan's idea. Most people dont have the necessary awareness to operate like this, and they will use this excuse to fool thenselves even more!

    "HuMan says I have to look at this female individual in front of me, instead of the preconceptions of the group. She is hot!"
    And just like that the little head takes over, while the big head rationalise whatever happens as the result of being "aware" and more "evolved" than all other men, thus deserving a special treatment from the universe. And beleiving that the woman in front of you will love you for your uniqueness.

    FUCK! That is how we got here in the first place!
    Men beleiving they were better than other men by being more open and understanding, while ignoring the proven concepts of our ancestors.

    Preconceptions have a bad reputation, akin to some type of bigotry. But in fact we live constantly under preconceptions that save our life!
    I dont want to be involved in a car crash because I have a prejudice against it: I think it might injure me. The fact that I was involved in several accidents without injuries does not disprove that preconception. Because I know by looking at reality that it happens to others, therefore I do not want that to happen.

    Looking at the consequences of relationships with women and saying that men almost all the times get hurt and have their life ruined is a true statement.

    It is not a bigoted concept, it is an observation of reality. If you dont apply this observation in your life, then you are a fool. You are fooling yourself to think "it will not happen to me", when you know it happens to almost everybody.

    That disdain for "preconceptions" and "generalisations" is a ploy to erase memory and observation, and operate under deception.

    If you sit across a woman talking, she is deceiving you. You will not look into her true self until she acheives her goal and drops her defences. The worst of them would not even wait to fool you, and jump to the obnoxious phase. Congratulations, you can spot them! But otherwise, good luck being "aware of the person" fooling you.


    Women (and people in general, including ourselves) change their reasoning according to convenience. Some men have a bit more of integrity, some...

    But it means that women will beleive to be true what they are saying to manipulate you. That is what makes good liars.

    And even if they are one person at one time, they can change and justify whatever nutty behavior the wish to engage in. In MGTOW we talk about a ticking time-bomb. Because that is a real, observable thing.

    So, I will argue against that thesis. I have to say that you have to be aware of THE GROUP and learn what they have DONE and what they CAN DO. You have to look at the PREVALENCE and the CONSEQUENCES. Only then you can access the risk of going blindfolded into a relationshit.

    It is not only that you need to be AWARE, it is WHEN you are aware: when you have observable long term data of multiple experiences, or when you are inside one developing experience in a stage were obfuscation and manipulation work alongside your irrational desires?




    The problem is that, men are not competing with other men but rather with the collective imagination of women; how do you win against the tall,muscular,intelligent,athletic,stoic,romantic, spiritual,sensual, stable , adventurous etc ( fill in the blank with your favorite contradiction ) man . If women were perfect creatures themselves, even then that would still be absurd criteria, if the only available men fell short of these demands, as wanting something that does not exist is called fantasy . As the Arab proverb goes, " women want fried ice " . The contradictory nature of their desires does not phase them, rather it's simply due to their insatiable desire for more that they have a hard time with the concept of loyalty, this is alluded to in most ancient books .

    Even just looking at a woman's definition of loyalty by her actions, is adequate to show this; a woman will only be loyal to those who are stronger and if you become weaker then she will trample you without remorse, while for men loyalty is not tested when the other is in an elevated position but rather in the weaker one, hence why elderly men who would be hard pressed to defend themselves against more vigorous younger males, are still able to hold onto power because of that understanding; funny enough it has been one of the major reasons for the success of both humans as a race and also specific societies .
    Now men are looking for the kind of fellowship only other men can provide, with women .

    First of all, its not natural to them and secondly, why would she want to act like a man when being feminine is more to her advantage. In most western traditions women no longer curtesy but in third world countries, they do it automatically towards a man whom they either fear or respect, but if they are indifferent towards the man, then they don't bother . All I am saying is that female behaviour was not engineered by men any more than men engineered feminism, it's just female nature to be opportunistic; same as any other creature in the wild . Not to cast aspersions on all women but very few women would be able to adhere to moral codes if not for societal enforcement . In this, I think men have also been unrealistic; women are inherently drawn to pleasure, comfort and safety, so to expect them to bear the pain of loyalty is asking quite a lot . That's why I think all these men who keep screaming about equal this or that, miss the point; it was never about equality but rather acceptance of a burden of responsibility .

    All societies are built upon the premise of violence, hence anyone cannot just go build a house on an empty land or even hunt animals that are prohibited, as that would quickly result in recriminations . What women conveniently sweep under the carpet is that,while all laws might be man made, the alternative of no laws and society being a free for all is probably a worse situation for them especially .
    No one is entitled to any land, crops or property by nature, and hence by the very nature of establishing ownership, one has become committed to the use of violence either by proxy or directly . To dent that reality is to spit at the wind . The very fact that western women want to use the very structure of male society to subjugate men while claiming righteousness, would be hilarious if not for the consequences .

    A little fairy tale anyone?!

    In an ancient land, the first men roamed free as the wind, and then one said let's form a band to provide greater strength, which we shall name "god", according to the virtues we hold dear . Eventually, all men of the society were expected to worship "God " at the pain of expulsion or death .
    When men became more rational, questioning this being they worshipped, they were told the belief must be held inviolate, when that failed they were told the integrity of the state must be honoured . The faltering of order, made the state beg them to consider those they loved . It worked, for a while, but the clan degenerated and then only the family unit remained to be appealed to .With the destruction of familial fealty, the children were made the symbols of necessary allegiance to a failing concept .

    Women found a way to then worm their way into the phrase by asserting that if the man was no more, the best to cater to the child would be the biological mother; and hence the clarion call of " think of the women and children " .
    Eventually, even that became inadequate, but the death spiral had hastened and thus the woman thinking themselves to be gods screeched, " A man should do what a woman wants " . And all this from failing to understand the whole notion of sovereignty ?! The age old tale of prometheus and his brother...

    A society is merely a construct like a triangle or the concept of meters, it has no more reality than the positive effect which it can produce in men's lives . Yes, patriarchy might be a thing if that is another word for merit, because it simply implies that the effort men expend to climb to the top be ignored and women's lack of will be considered as men's fault . So, a woman saying if she had a choice she would only date the hottest guy is meaningless.

    First off, would he want her, second does she have competition and finally what is she really offering ?
    The whole idea of sexual exploitation is taking a religious interpretation of prostitution and inverting it on it's head . So what if a woman sells her body ? So, does a miner and every other person who works for minimum wage. The only difference is, her's is a field which requires no skill to enter; having a vagina and being a breathing human is often enough for most men, some can even forgo the later .
    Why all this lengthy diatribe ? Well, people say she's only dating him for his money, and so what I ask ? Can you go pick money off the streets ? As opposed to dating the muscular guy for his body, the funny guy for his charisma and so on ? It really doesn't matter, because the whole idea of perfection is simply a delusion disguising as a higher calling . All humans are constantly at a deficit, otherwise we wouldn't need to struggle against the constraints of physical embodiment to survive . While it's good to want to be better, one should come to realise it's better to pursue the things meaningful to you, rather than the shifting goalposts of societal expectations ... Men now want to be sexually desired by women which all through history was not the case . I will not go into too much details but whoever has interest can read H.L Mencken's book titled " prejudices ", only the chapter on women should suffice to clarify any lingering doubts .


    To conclude, if women were really picky as they make out to be, then you would never see a model dating an ugly man, or a short man dating a beautiful woman, or a man who has some deformity dating at all. The thing is, one need not look far to observe that, infact there are a lot of such examples around . When the professed reality does not square with actions, it's always better to go by what a person does rather than their words . Cheers

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    Re: The video "Women donít matter | The individual does", and the falacy of individuality.

    Quote Originally Posted by African-Daoist View Post
    All societies are built upon the premise of violence...
    This.

    Its hilarious and sad at the same time, that people dont realize this fact. The nature is VERY violent. Just because we live in a technologically advanced society doesnt mean that all laws of nature are out of the window. Nope, they still apply, even if its a bit indirect or complicated for average Joe and Jane to figure out.

    Quote Originally Posted by African-Daoist View Post
    I think men have also been unrealistic; women are inherently drawn to pleasure, comfort and safety, so to expect them to bear the pain of loyalty is asking quite a lot.
    This is exactly the mirror of the problem we have in modern education system, and this is one of the reasons I keep saying we men are EQUALLY responsible for the mess we created.

    Expecting women to be loyal like men and then being surprised when they are not, is like treating women as "inferior" men. They are NOT men. They are women. Just like in modern education people make so much fuss about toxic masculinity and aggressive boys. They think of boys as "inferior" girls and expect them to improve. They cant. They are not girls. You can drug them, mutilate their genitals or kill them. It wont change ANYTHING, atleast not for the better.

    Women are better in lies, deceit, fraud and manipulation. Men are better in direct violence and force, both at physical and mental level (we are far more likely to gravitate towards cold logic and truth). Its really a very very stupid idea to disarm ourselves of our own strengths and then expect to win a fight.

    And if you do that, and keep doing that, you will force the nature to apply the business end of the Darwin principle on yourself.
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    Re: The video "Women donít matter | The individual does", and the falacy of individuality.

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    No, you knowingly fucked your best friend's wife.
    I was young ...... we all did stuff like that when we were young.

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    Re: The video "Women donít matter | The individual does", and the falacy of individuality.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWalton View Post
    Originally Posted by I'm Gone

    No, you knowingly fucked your best friend's wife.

    I was young ...... we all did stuff like that when we were young.
    I don’t know about all of us, but I admit I did.

    I am not proud of it now and to be honest I wasn’t proud of it then, but the truth is the truth and I won’t try to deny it especially to myself. I have no defence. I was a piece of shit for doing this.

    She was a slag, shagging everything around her. I was merely one of many, but this is no excuse for my behaviour.

    I was about 19 years old, over 30 years ago, and I was a very different person.
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    Re: The video "Women donít matter | The individual does", and the falacy of individuality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    I was about 19 years old, over 30 years ago, and I was a very different person.
    Sometimes I have recalled some of the things I have said and done in the past. Then I might shudder briefly. Then I'm again glad I have changed.

    Time facilitates the possibility of change. Time also makes me get older and worn out. But, since I cannot have one without the other, I'll take both, because I want the change and the possibility of it.
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    Re: The video "Women donít matter | The individual does", and the falacy of individuality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Sometimes I have recalled some of the things I have said and done in the past. Then I might shudder briefly. Then I'm again glad I have changed.

    Time facilitates the possibility of change. Time also makes me get older and worn out. But, since I cannot have one without the other, I'll take both, because I want the change and the possibility of it.
    We all have regrets. Recognising these regrets and changing your behaviour accordingly is how we grow.
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