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    Understanding, Emotion and Timescales

    An open question for all (one that I hope gives answers of interest to any on-the-fence lurkers):

    On what timescales has your certainty in the MGTOW path you have taken been validated in your own minds? How has it solidified and crystalised over the years?

    For myself:

    Broadly speaking I went MGTOW in two big steps, with gradual realisation in between:


    • Step One: Got torn to pieces in the family courts. This made me realise the attitude of society, and especially those in power, to men and what a ridiculously raw deal men get. It also made me realise that a woman's "love" is a fleeting emotion at best and utterly meaningless at worse.
    • Step Two: Last interest I had in dating women got gradually stoned to death from trying my best at the Carnival of Crap that is online dating, said interest finished off with a stab-wound of a brief relationship with a single mother.


    At first, after Step One and certainly after Step Two, I knew intellectually that MGTOW was the right path. However at first, emotionally I found it uncomfortable: "So...I'll never have a girlfriend again? I know there's no disputing the maths but that's kinda depressing..." and so on.

    Through the years since though, I have found my emotions matching my decisions more day by day. I enjoy my freedom, my peacefulness . All around me when I see men in relationships, I see all the sacrifices they have to make and all the traps they are being set up for. I see the commitments they are stuck with in exchange for less each day.

    I think of how whatever sh*tshows I may deal with in a day, I get to go home to my house, just for me. It is my space where I can recharge and shape it how I wish. For any problems I face, I alone will decide the best course. I will face the risks and I will get the rewards.

    Every day I am free to pick up a new interest, work a bit harder for that new skill or more money or simply relax in a manner of my choosing. Every day this life path makes me smile a little more.

    Yourselves gentlemen?

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    Re: Understanding, Emotion and Timescales

    My first encounter with the MGTOW abbreviation, and other terms like Red-Pilled, Blue-Pilled etc was in late 2016 when i stumbled upon Sandman's videos on his youtube channel.

    I was 24 years old. Sandman's videos had me instantly entertained. He was throwing out so many truth bombs, but his delivery was also so comedic and funny it had me laughing out loud.

    Ive never been badly screwed over by a woman or by the authorities.

    But i have been in and out of relationships and friendships enough to observe female nature.

    The MGTOW life suits me very well.

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    Re: Understanding, Emotion and Timescales

    I've always been a misfit since I was a kid. I never really fitted in anywhere and I always bucked social mores and what was expected of me. I worked out at a young age that trying to impress women came down to nothing more than bribery and flattering their egos. I didn't bother with girlfriends and my first sexual experiences were with escorts as I preferred to avoid the drama of bringing women into my life.

    My first experience with actually seeing the term MGTOW was on a Sugarbaby forum in around 2015 or so there was a guy on the forum who would always mention it and I googled. A lot of what he was saying really resonated with me and I saw that I was no alone in my thinking and how I felt about the world.

    I recently saw the term "Black Pill" which I realize I have been for a while too. The way I see it anything we do as men is wrong and there are a lot of hypocrisies around the way "They" would like us to be. I worked that out ages ago too. In general I would prefer not to play and avoid society and people in general as much as possible.

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    Re: Understanding, Emotion and Timescales

    I discovered the manosphere while looking for online dating tips after a 4 year "relationship". I suppose seeing what I'd read playing out in real life many times over has just reinforced this.

    The first was a friends with benefits arrangement I had, she was fairly open about the fact that I was not the only person in her life but since she was making it very easy and didn't ask for much I didn't care.

    One evening I discovered she'd got some older guy to take her out, buy her meal and drinks at a nice place but then fobbed him off to spend the night with me.

    It made me think how many times I'd been on the other side of that equation....
    Men are becoming MGTOW by the millions, most without ever having heard the term. They are simply doing what all living organisms finding themselves in a toxic environment do. They adapt to it or remove themselves from it. Females are not liking either the adaptations or the removal.

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    "Where Wisdom reigns thoughts and emotions are in harmony."
    -- Carl Jung

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    Re: Understanding, Emotion and Timescales

    3 years redpill and 1 year MGTOW after i had consolidated everything.

    Learned about the redpill 4 years ago when my GF at the time cheated on me, saw how everything they were saying matched my experience with women...from there i knew something was wrong with my views and was set on understanding. My family was also a giant warning because for starters my father has divorced and remarried 3 times (got to see what happened to him physically and mentally) and my mother is set on pumping out the welfare babies without any empathy for how their lives will turn out. $$$welfare$$$

    The real stomping of interest happened for me after learning how different women are from men and the implications of female hypergamy, morals and world view. Statistics aside i knew that even if i found a "good" woman she wouldn't possess anything of value besides her body..

    When it comes down to mere sexual value there are better options than dating... How much is a better sexual experience really worth? I don't think it is worth the price people are paying...

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    Re: Understanding, Emotion and Timescales

    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles1999 View Post
    3 years redpill and 1 year MGTOW after i had consolidated everything.

    Learned about the redpill 4 years ago when my GF at the time cheated on me, saw how everything they were saying matched my experience with women...from there i knew something was wrong with my views and was set on understanding. My family was also a giant warning because for starters my father has divorced and remarried 3 times (got to see what happened to him physically and mentally) and my mother is set on pumping out the welfare babies without any empathy for how their lives will turn out. $$$welfare$$$

    The real stomping of interest happened for me after learning how different women are from men and the implications of female hypergamy, morals and world view. Statistics aside i knew that even if i found a "good" woman she wouldn't possess anything of value besides her body..

    When it comes down to mere sexual value there are better options than dating... How much is a better sexual experience really worth? I don't think it is worth the price people are paying...
    That's exactly it. Women have priced themselves out of the market. Every single women in dating will demand that you pay a shit ton of money, first to date her, then the ring, then the expensive wedding, and it continues on into marriage. Then at any time, a woman is justified (as feminists have told her) to jettison herself out if she doesn't get the tingles anymore. The "my feelings changed" is a LAME excuse in our eyes when someone has taken sacred vows to the effect of "in good times and in bad times, in sickness and in health, as long as you both shall live." If we were to change the vows to fit the way women live today, they would read, "... and stay together as long as he provides everything you want and as long as it stays exciting." However, they can't change the vows to that because any sane man would run for the hills in the face of that shit. In other words, almost all women are lying when they say their wedding vows. Very few have any real intention of keeping her vows.

    I also find it quite sick the way men are simply expected to earn a lot and to pay up for a woman's companionship. That's literally prostitution. Most men were understanding with feminists demand to be released from their gender roles. However, men's naive nature in that was that we expected them to be fair. We expected to be released from our gender roles as well. We weren't. For women's gender roles, it's the 21st century. They've totally changed. For men's gender roles, it's the 1950s. We're still TOTALLY judged by how much money we make, and we're still expected to pay for all the dates, the engagement and wedding rings, and most things in marriage. Women often work jobs while married, but it's men who are totally judged by whatever profession we're in. Most guys thought the whole changing of gender roles would mean that marriage would become a 50/50 equal partnership. What a joke that idea is! I wonder in how many marriages did the bride and the groom split the costs of the engagement and wedding rings down the middle. We could dig up the stats, but you can be certain it's less than 1 percent. As long as a dude has work that he enjoys that pays reasonably, most guys are good, and would not be at all threatened if is wife made more than he did. Most guys would be fine with that IF he knew for certain his wife wouldn't judged him harshly for it. The problem is, judging him harshly for it is EXACTLY what she'll do. She'll look down on him as a loser or as unworthy of her, even if it's a good income. If a husband earns 80K per year while the wife earns 60K, that's 140K, and a really comfortable living in most parts of the country. However, just flop their incomes and she'll immediately be all judgy of him and feel superior. There's nothing AT ALL wrong with making 60K. You can live on that just fine in most parts of the country, granted it's scant in the more expensive parts like New York City, San Francisco, or Honolulu. But despite a good income, you'll be MASSIVELY JUDGED if she earns more.

    For me, it was this greed and obsession with materialism that first disgusted me about American women. I grew up with the idea that love is a deep and sacred commitment that transcends economics. Man, was I ever naive, at least I was with respect to how women actually behave. It would be possible for love to transcend economics if the two people married were fully committed to their wedding vows, if they believed (as people once did) that once you tied the knot, you were with this person come what may. That's how most of the World War II generation did it. You see, my dad did lose nearly ever cent when his company went bankrupt, and my mom stayed with him! She went full time into her work and was the main breadwinner for some years while my dad's company went through the painful process of bankruptcy reorganization. And they did rebound and eventually became even more successful than before. What every man wants is a wife that loyal. If you have a wife who will stay true to you even if you lose every cent, you have a good woman. But today's women aren't like that. Not AT ALL! A modern, feminist-brainwashed woman would have BAILED on my dad, and it would have broken him. My dad is extremely lucky in that he got in with the last wave of good marriages, back before feminism unleashed modern women's greed. Today's women are nothing other than pure trash.

    You can't get the same commitment to marriage from a woman that you could have gotten in 1950. The best you can hope for is a woman whom you can have a great honeymoon with, but who will stab you in the back and rob you bind as soon as she legally can via our atrocious family court system.

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    The 'Ledger Book Love'

    "One for you, one for me. Two for you, two for me. Three for you, five for me.
    None for you, all for me!"
    -- The Secret Shakespeare

    It reminds Me of the movie entitled 'The Three Musketeers' starring Kiefer Sutherland, Tim Curry, and Charlie Sheen.

    Tim Curry plays a wicked Cardinal Richelieu, and when his plan (disbanding the Musketeers, stealing the throne) is coming together he speaks this with a wicked grin, "All for one, and more for me."
    -- The Secret Will

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    Re: Understanding, Emotion and Timescales

    "Through the years since though, I have found my emotions matching my decisions more day by day."
    -- 'suspiciouscrow' in comment thread

    "Cynicism is the byproduct of being consistently right."
    -- Sherlock Holmes, from the T.V. series 'Elementary'

    And...

    "Where wisdom reigns thoughts and emotions are in harmony."
    -- Carl Jung


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