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    Re: Unborn child support law proposed by a republican senator

    How could this be abused?

    "I'm preggo, Joe is the father, I'm 3 months and I want retro payments from day 1...."

    Joe at 6 months: "You are carrying it well, you are hardly showing..... Are you well?"

    Joe at 9 months: "I'm paying and there is no baby, what happened?"

    "My body, my choice, I went to (abortion legal state) at 4 months, I just couldn't deal with it!!!!"

    Joe 2 years later "But Judge, I payed her to support what she said was my baby and she had it terminated before the first payment.... When can I get my money back?"

    ......................

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    Re: Unborn child support law proposed by a republican senator

    Am I the only one asking himself what exactly should get child support, when the child in fact doesn't need any financial support while being in the womb?

    Wouldn't this "child support" not better be called "mommy support" then?

    Too logical for the politicans I guess...

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    Re: Unborn child support law proposed by a republican senator

    At first glance, the legislation just looks like right-wing virtue-signaling. There are two things going on there:

    1) As frog said earlier in the thread, "they claim life begins at conception like it was both scientific and legal fact." So yeah, it tries to create a legislative basis for the "personhood" of fetuses. Leftists probably won't support the bill on those grounds alone.

    2) It also tries to portray the Conservatives as caring about women's issues. Leftists often argue that conservatives are just fascists who want to enslave women into carrying pregnancies to term but don't actually care about the actual women or the children who result. But with this legislation, Conservatives can say, "We care about both the pregnant mother and the resulting child. We're providing money to benefit both."

    But of course this is all going to come out of the pockets of the fathers. And with no avenue for paternity testing, it practically begs pregnant women to make false claims on men.

    But oh well. Politicians are going to politick. Politicians are just grifters looking to use taxpayer money to buy votes. And ultimately Tradcons are just as anti-male and gynocentric as Leftists. Young men just have to learn to keep it in their pants (or wrap it up good and tight) if they don't want to get caught in the government-sponsored pregnancy/fatherhood grift.

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    Re: Unborn child support law proposed by a republican senator

    This legislation is just a reminder that conservatism is as bad as leftism.
    That to them you are just a moneybag too.

    Maybe I am wrong (not American) but imo Roe vs Wade is not the win of tradcons.
    The push for this legislation isn't conservative virtue signaling either.


    There are only two things politicians/governament care about - numbers and self-preservation.
    Methinks somebody finally looked into fertility rate, realised that importing people to America surprisingly doesn't circumvent the issue,
    found the cause and now tries to fix it asap.

    That's why during pandemic and lockdowns there were high hopes that people, forced to be together, restricted to
    such tiny spaces will start making babies.
    It didn't work though and divorce rate skyrocketed.

    Then Russo-Ukrainian war started and many countries suddenly realised that they aren't prepared for WW3.
    You know - it's a scary thought for every country. It's self-preservation kicks in.

    That's why Roe vs Wade is no more. That's why now they try to incentivize keeping baby for atleast 9-12mo.
    I see paralels with how Canada "incentivizes" longer marriages by giving bigger prizes to woman after 10 years.

    One may say that this idea is dumb, it only incentivizes single mothers and more bullshitery.
    Also there is no guarantee that she won't abort just before birth.

    What do you expect then? A complete overhaul of totally broken system?
    Sudden change of marriage meta, abolishment of feminist laws and re-establishment of traditional family?

    This system is so broken that the viable fix no longer exists. You can only level sh*t with the ground or further the corruption.
    "Leveling the sh*t down" usually means new or no establishment so they will fight fiercely to preserve the sh**show as long as possible.
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    Re: Unborn child support law proposed by a republican senator

    Quote Originally Posted by RustyNuts View Post
    How could this be abused?

    "I'm preggo, Joe is the father, I'm 3 months and I want retro payments from day 1...."

    Joe at 6 months: "You are carrying it well, you are hardly showing..... Are you well?"

    Joe at 9 months: "I'm paying and there is no baby, what happened?"

    "My body, my choice, I went to (abortion legal state) at 4 months, I just couldn't deal with it!!!!"

    Joe 2 years later "But Judge, I payed her to support what she said was my baby and she had it terminated before the first payment.... When can I get my money back?"

    ......................
    Sorry! No refunds.

    If anyone thinks the state is going to pony up to reimburse a wronged man, think again. Besides, the money went directly to the woman and who thinks she stuck that into a savings account?

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWLife View Post
    At first glance, the legislation just looks like right-wing virtue-signaling. There are two things going on there:

    1) As frog said earlier in the thread, "they claim life begins at conception like it was both scientific and legal fact." So yeah, it tries to create a legislative basis for the "personhood" of fetuses. Leftists probably won't support the bill on those grounds alone.

    2) It also tries to portray the Conservatives as caring about women's issues. Leftists often argue that conservatives are just fascists who want to enslave women into carrying pregnancies to term but don't actually care about the actual women or the children who result. But with this legislation, Conservatives can say, "We care about both the pregnant mother and the resulting child. We're providing money to benefit both."

    But of course this is all going to come out of the pockets of the fathers. And with no avenue for paternity testing, it practically begs pregnant women to make false claims on men.

    But oh well. Politicians are going to politick. Politicians are just grifters looking to use taxpayer money to buy votes. And ultimately Tradcons are just as anti-male and gynocentric as Leftists. Young men just have to learn to keep it in their pants (or wrap it up good and tight) if they don't want to get caught in the government-sponsored pregnancy/fatherhood grift.
    Perhaps the language is different as I've not read the actual bill nor am I particularly interested in doing so, but with no mandatory paternity testing, every man becomes a potential target. It won't matter if the guy wrapped it up good and tight or never met her and is still a virgin. The court will likely dismiss all arguments from men, after all, they're just trying to shirk their duty.

    Imagine this, Terry gets tabbed for child support to Susie who he talked to in a bar one night and afterward they had a one night stand. The timeline seems legit but Susie will not ask for a paternity test. Well the day comes that Billie arrives and it's glaringly obvious that Tyrone is the father. Terry pleads to the court that Billie is obviously not his child and seeks relief. The court, knowing that they have a productive man on the line as Terry is a pipeline welder dismisses his pleading of relief as he has already "assumed a fatherly role".

    As the bill appears to currently be written, Terry had no legal grounds to request a paternity test early on when Susie made the claim that he was the father. This is going to have severe repercussions if not modified so that accused fathers can also demand a paternity test.

    Some have been warning of a bachelor tax in the offing. This is even more insidious.
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    Re: Unborn child support law proposed by a republican senator

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    If I'm reading this right, the woman could pick anyone she wants for the father without any proof whatsoever and make it stick.

    But hey, if the fathers such a scumbag that no further contact is wanted, the law won't force her to take his money. Isn't that a relief.
    So women can continue to commit fraud and it's ok? What if the guy she names as the father isn't the father? Does he get his money back? Is he able to sue her for emotional distress, loss of wages, and fraud?

    Life begins at conception? I was told "it's just a bunch of cells"? Oh I see whatever fits their narrative to get their way.
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    Re: Unborn child support law proposed by a republican senator

    Time to snip snip

    How can you be the father if you arent fertile?

    Be careful gents

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    Re: Unborn child support law proposed by a republican senator

    Be careful is putting it mildly. All I can say is WOW, sure glad I DGAF anymore.

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    Re: Unborn child support law proposed by a republican senator

    If anything this opens the door for the bachelor tax. Where will they get that money if it passes?

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    Re: Unborn child support law proposed by a republican senator

    Quote Originally Posted by KanedaPills666 View Post
    If anything this opens the door for the bachelor tax. Where will they get that money if it passes?





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    Re: Unborn child support law proposed by a republican senator

    Quote Originally Posted by KanedaPills666 View Post
    Time to snip snip

    How can you be the father if you arent fertile?

    Be careful gents
    Yes, but care must still be taken.... More than once, nature has found a way to make it happen even after many years... Cover up to be sure.

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    Re: Unborn child support law proposed by a republican senator

    To me it sounds like they are trying to soften the anti abortion stance and change the morality back to what it used to be. The woman may well try and claim any man as the father but things often don't work out that easily. This will just make men become even more MGTOW and for those who still choose to stick their dicks anywhere than bad luck for them.

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    Re: Unborn child support law proposed by a republican senator

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacknMGTOW View Post
    It’s the lesser of two evils. If those babies are born, they will be abandoned or abused.
    The killing of innocents is the lesser of two evils? Geez, I don’t wanna know the world you’re living in.

    How do you know they’ll be abandoned or abused? Yes, maybe some will but is the fear of this happening any reason to kill them??? Just in case???

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacknMGTOW View Post
    However, if that pre birth child support law does pass, no man is safe from being put in child support. A virgin can end up being put on child support.
    True!

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    Re: Unborn child support law proposed by a republican senator

    What if you say that you didn't have sexual relations to this woman? Wouldn't the court have to get a paternity test ordered?

    If not, you should definitely move out of that country.

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    Re: Unborn child support law proposed by a republican senator

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoking Wizard View Post
    What if you say that you didn't have sexual relations to this woman? Wouldn't the court have to get a paternity test ordered?

    If not, you should definitely move out of that country.
    It's just someone's bill now, and unlikely to get enough support to go anywhere.

    Writing it so men are forbidden from using DNA evidence to clear their self, that says it all far as I'm concerned. We sure voted in some shits this time.
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    Re: Unborn child support law proposed by a republican senator

    Now they will have sex with a rich. Then have a bunch of sex with other dudes soon after. Get pregnant. Claim it is the rich guys baby. Get millions in child support in 9 months. Give the baby for addoption. And repeat.

    Great law to abuse and become a millionare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    This is one of the things that destroyed the Soviet Union. A man had no reason - none - to work hard and establish himself. So they were all drunk on the job all the time.
    There was a saying in the old Soviet Union.

    "We pretend to work, and the state pretends to pay us."
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witch Doctor View Post
    Now they will have sex with a rich. Then have a bunch of sex with other dudes soon after. Get pregnant. Claim it is the rich guys baby. Get millions in child support in 9 months. Give the baby for addoption. And repeat.

    Great law to abuse and become a millionare.
    "But of course this is all going to come out of the pockets of the fathers. And with no avenue for paternity testing, it practically begs pregnant women to make false claims on men."
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoking Wizard View Post
    What if you say that you didn't have sexual relations to this woman? Wouldn't the court have to get a paternity test ordered?

    If not, you should definitely move out of that country.

    Mandates that all paternity tests be at the discretion of the mother and not be conducted if the test would put the child at risk.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.


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