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    tradcons in Iowa getting serious

    I have to admit to not watching the whole video because the Young Turks suck. That being said, I have to at least respect tradcons that put their money where their mouth is. Getting rid of no fault divorce when kids are involved. No fault divorce is one of the pillars of the feminist ideology.


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    Re: tradcons in Iowa getting serious

    The butthurt hamstering in the comments is hilarious as usual. I'll be surprised if it goes through. No barbarians to take over the weakening culture so eventually it reverts back to tradcon?

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    Re: tradcons in Iowa getting serious

    I don't get it? I pretty much learned no marriage equals no divorce, if the math doesn't work one way, try another!

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    Re: tradcons in Iowa getting serious

    I donít get this either.

    Iíve heard of The Young Turks, this is the first Iíve seen any of it so I watched it through.
    It seems to be very politically separatist, "you should think this way if you are democrat/republican in the U.S."
    Nevertheless it does raise an interesting point.


    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    No fault divorce is one of the pillars of the feminist ideology.
    I get that this can be (and is) used as a tool for women to marry some guy of means and then screw him over. Quick and simple, smash and grab.

    Iím from Ireland and we recently had a referendum here to remove the requirement that a divorce cannot be finalised until the couple concerned had been separated for 4 out 5 years.

    I voted for this to be removed, as it duly was, and my reasons were thus:


    1.

    I have a good friend who is coming towards the end of this 5 year requirement and is waiting for his divorce to be finalised. And yes she was/is someone everyone here would recognise Ė married him for the money and then showed her true colours, and wow weren't they some colours. They were together for about a year after the marriage.

    Iíll go into no more detail than that as itís not my story to tell but for the last five years my friend has been in torment not knowing in just what way the courts are going to crucify him, just that they will.

    This is too long and has taken a severe toll on my friendís well-being.

    2.

    It seemed to be a holdover from when the Catholic religion here had a stranglehold on the population. To me religion should be about personal enlightenment not domination. I personally no longer have any religion, but I donít want this to spill over into another debate.

    3.

    Marriage is a contract. Yes there are other factors like pressures from society (heís not MGTOW Ė yet), religious beliefs and so on. But from the legal point of view I believe marriage should be viewed as any other contract and nothing more, and therefore we should be able to discharge it similarly.

    I am lucky enough to never have been through this particular mill, but I am not aware of anything within the whole marriage spectrum that necessitates that the man should be enslaved financially to the woman for life, except through precedent. Something that obviously needs to change.



    Surely no-fault divorce works in our favour as well. Once we see our unicorn for the money grabbing, manipulative harpy that she is, isnít it best to get rid of her by the most expedient means possible?

    Maybe Iím missing something. I usually do Ė life out there has gotten too damn complicated for my old brain.

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    Re: tradcons in Iowa getting serious

    Yeah...there are two ways of looking at it.

    No fault divorce allows for a fast food, throwaway marriage culture which clearly isn't a great idea. Unless you are intending it as a shortcut to some financial security and are able to snag the right guy. However, as Jackoff said - what's the point in prolonging a dead contract.

    The arguments for and against this will rage on and on. Meanwhile, the one's with their heads screwed on properly won't even entertain this situation for themselves.

    Like Tower said - no marriage, no divorce.

    When all is said and done....it's pretty simple. If you don't ever stick your hands into the flames....you won't get burnt.

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    No fault divorce gave women the ability to eject from a marriage with all the cash and prizes. The second pillar is the assumption that the female is the natural caretaker of the children. That means she gets the kids, the house and his money. He gets an efficiency apartment on the wrong side of the tracks. Oh yeah, and because he now lives in a hell hole, she patitions the court again to take away his two weekends a month because of safety concerns.

    Getting rid of no fault divorce dismantles this mechanism. If there are kids, the woman can't just leave. She is stuck, just like the man. It will force women to take their vows a lot more seriously if they can't just eject when ever they want. 80% of marriages are initiated by the woman because "I'm not happy".

    Now, I'm no tradcon. This doesn't fix marriage for me now that I know the nature of things. Tradcons however, have different world view. One that allows for the possibility of fixing all of this. More power to them. As much as I wish them success, I'll not be holding my breath waiting.

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    Re: tradcons in Iowa getting serious

    When I noticed the youtube video was posted in 2013, I wondered what became of the proposed Iowa legislation.

    From an opinion piece in 2014:

    Last year, seven GOP lawmakers in Iowa introduced HF 338, which would have prohibited no-fault divorces for couples who have children under 18. Under the bill, parents could divorce only in cases of adultery, imprisonment due to a felony, abuse, abandonment or if the couple has been separated at least two years. The lead sponsor, Rep. Tedd Gassman, argued that this bill would “ensure that divorce is not the first option for married couples with children.”

    Ultimately, HF 338 failed last year not because of its content but because of bizarre public comments Gassman made. The lawmaker argued that with divorced parents, teenage girls would be "more promiscuous." He also linked divorce and the shootings in Newtown, Conn., blaming the shooter’s mind-set on “family problems.” Wary of controversy, GOP leaders dropped the bill.

    April 11, 2014 - Conservatives aren’t just fighting same-sex marriage. They’re also trying to stop divorce.
    Seems Gassman shot himself in the foot.
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    Suitable for bookmarking: www.fakehatecrimes.org and www.breitbart.com/tag/hate-crime-hoax and register-her.net

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    Re: tradcons in Iowa getting serious

    I actually agree with the guys assessment and I think statistics would back it up as well. I would however, never have put that forward as supportive evidence or argument. It is way past the line of what is politically acceptable to be useful.

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    Re: tradcons in Iowa getting serious

    I don't know about the 'shootings' part necessarily...but I wouldn't consider the 'more promiscuous' part as 'bizarre'.

    Hasn't that been factually proved over and over again?

    Is factual evidence bizarre? Or is it just inconvenient?

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    Re: tradcons in Iowa getting serious

    Well it's all about how the media covers it. Just like Andy Ngo getting assaulted by antifa. Note that in the coverage he is labeled "conservative provocateur" not "gay Asian". Every fact is twisted to fit the narrative. Kids that grow up without dad in the picture are more likely to go to jail for violent crime. Statistical fact. twist that a little and you have "lawmaker blames recent shooting on no fault divorce"

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    Re: tradcons in Iowa getting serious

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Keyknob View Post
    Yeah...there are two ways of looking at it.

    No fault divorce allows for a fast food, throwaway marriage culture which clearly isn't a great idea. Unless you are intending it as a shortcut to some financial security and are able to snag the right guy. However, as Jackoff said - what's the point in prolonging a dead contract.

    The arguments for and against this will rage on and on. Meanwhile, the one's with their heads screwed on properly won't even entertain this situation for themselves.

    Like Tower said - no marriage, no divorce.

    When all is said and done....it's pretty simple. If you don't ever stick your hands into the flames....you won't get burnt.
    Correction; hands "back" into the flames.... you won't get burned "again". It's like stepping on a rake over and over again, eventually you learn to wear a helmet!

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    Re: tradcons in Iowa getting serious

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Correction; hands "back" into the flames.... you won't get burned "again". It's like stepping on a rake over and over again, eventually you learn to wear a helmet!

    Or an eye patch!! Once stabbed, twice shy.


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    Re: tradcons in Iowa getting serious

    AAARRRR!


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    Re: tradcons in Iowa getting serious

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    AAARRRR!


    Ha ha!!

    Or should I say "ha ha jim lad!!!"

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    The Young Turks don't mind having the government involved in the marriage contract.

    They don't mind women initiating divorce the majority of the time. They don't care about men getting divorce raped.

    They have the status quo they want.

    They don't care about you.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    The problem with marriage and divorce will correct itself. Men are waking up, and many of them (especially those with resources) simply are not getting married.

    Currently women have all the power in society, and all the legislation that gets passed always favors them. This is why the MRA's have failed and have not accomplished anything in over fifty years. But when it gets to a point where women can no longer find men willing to marry them, they will HAVE to change the laws; or, they just won't be able to find guys to marry them.

    Even if they change the laws and make them fair to men, it STILL won't be worth it for men to get married, because women do not bring nearly as much value to the relationship as men do. Men can take care of themselves and do just fine, well into old age, and it just gets better and easier for us as we get older. It's the exact opposite for them. Without a man to care for them, the overwhelming majority of them will be miserable, completely incapable of doing anything for themselves, and dependent on welfare to survive.

    I KNOW this, because I see older men and women in my pharmacy every goddamn day. The older and unmarried women eventually go out of their fucking minds, and end up on a huge regimen of psychiatric drugs. They are also in incredibly poor health, to the point where it amazes me they can survive, even with all the drugs they are on to prolong their lives. You should see their profiles, it is absolutely astounding how many drugs they end up on. And they are ALL on welfare.

    Meanwhile the older single men...I wouldn't even know they exist, if they didn't come in every once in awhile to get some Viagra and maybe a blood pressure med or two. They ALL have private insurances, and they are retired. Many of them will tell me how great it feels to be retired, and I can tell they genuinely enjoy their lives. The older married men are not nearly as happy. And the older married women seem to just hemorrhage their husbands' cash everywhere they go. They can't spend ten minutes in the store without buying a hundred dollars worth of CRAP. And they are still on a bunch of meds, just not quite as many as their unmarried counterparts. These women are EXPENSIVE, and USELESS.

    Forget about women, and marriage. They will never bring enough to the table to be worth it, at least in our lifetime, and I'd argue that they never really did to begin with. Life is too short to sacrifice yourself for an ungrateful parasite. Go your own way, and you can experience everything life has to offer. Do NOT throw your entire life away for some useless woman who will bring you nothing but pain and misery, and spend all your money on useless shit.

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    Re: tradcons in Iowa getting serious

    This will bring back the old days for divorce in Iowa...when blackmailing your ex for adultery was 'the way to go'. Divorce sucks whether it's fault or no fault. And the quicker the better. If getting married was as complicated as divorce fewer people would end up married. It's nuts if you think about it. You can walk into an agreement that will change the rest of your life in like five minutes. But, 5 years to get out of it? Someone got that backwards.
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    When I got married, our church imposed mandatory counseling on us to make sure we knew what we were getting into. If you believe in gender equality as I did at the time, it was all really good stuff. The problem is it depends on both parties having agency and the ability to understand what an obligation is. Now we all know how well that works don't we.

    Tradcon is great in theory. The problem is women aren't held to any agreement they ever make. There is literally no expectation of it after the fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthine View Post
    The problem with marriage and divorce will correct itself. Men are waking up, and many of them (especially those with resources) simply are not getting married.

    Currently women have all the power in society, and all the legislation that gets passed always favors them. This is why the MRA's have failed and have not accomplished anything in over fifty years. But when it gets to a point where women can no longer find men willing to marry them, they will HAVE to change the laws; or, they just won't be able to find guys to marry them.

    Even if they change the laws and make them fair to men, it STILL won't be worth it for men to get married, because women do not bring nearly as much value to the relationship as men do. Men can take care of themselves and do just fine, well into old age, and it just gets better and easier for us as we get older. It's the exact opposite for them. Without a man to care for them, the overwhelming majority of them will be miserable, completely incapable of doing anything for themselves, and dependent on welfare to survive.

    I KNOW this, because I see older men and women in my pharmacy every goddamn day. The older and unmarried women eventually go out of their fucking minds, and end up on a huge regimen of psychiatric drugs. They are also in incredibly poor health, to the point where it amazes me they can survive, even with all the drugs they are on to prolong their lives. You should see their profiles, it is absolutely astounding how many drugs they end up on. And they are ALL on welfare.

    Meanwhile the older single men...I wouldn't even know they exist, if they didn't come in every once in awhile to get some Viagra and maybe a blood pressure med or two. They ALL have private insurances, and they are retired. Many of them will tell me how great it feels to be retired, and I can tell they genuinely enjoy their lives. The older married men are not nearly as happy. And the older married women seem to just hemorrhage their husbands' cash everywhere they go. They can't spend ten minutes in the store without buying a hundred dollars worth of CRAP. And they are still on a bunch of meds, just not quite as many as their unmarried counterparts. These women are EXPENSIVE, and USELESS.

    Forget about women, and marriage. They will never bring enough to the table to be worth it, at least in our lifetime, and I'd argue that they never really did to begin with. Life is too short to sacrifice yourself for an ungrateful parasite. Go your own way, and you can experience everything life has to offer. Do NOT throw your entire life away for some useless woman who will bring you nothing but pain and misery, and spend all your money on useless shit.
    Thats the main point, the law will chance once the average woman wont be able to get a man to get married, not a decent men at least cause homeless ugly dumb men will always be available.

    When it comes of culture, its the same principle, the culture will change once the average woman wont be able to even get a date not even if she drops all the flaking, the entitlement and all the other big issues...at some point not only they will have to behave but also put something in it, which is right now not even acknowledged as a possibility.

    Clearly its not anything we will see in the western countries in the next 10 years.

    We will first reach a point where the average man will be red pilled enough not to bother even in conversations with women if he sense that he has nothing to gain out of it, he will cut it short and cold just like a random woman approached from an average guy in the club while she waits for her due chad.

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    Re: tradcons in Iowa getting serious

    No fault divorce does not prevent a woman from getting a divorce. All it does is if there is a divorce and it is not the man's fault, then the woman has abandoned the marriage and is not entitled to any of the marital assets.


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