Thread: Things that destroyed my romanticism

I'd bet I'm not the only ex romantic here. I used to believe in the true love that conquers all thing. I thought that eventually everyone met their soul mate and would get a solid commitment, meaning total loyalty, from them. I thought it was possible to win a woman's love by being a good and an extraordinary person.

Man, is that fantasy ever destroyed! Here are key realizations that destroyed my romanticism

1. Figuring out that with women it's always about the money. First dates are basically financial interrogation sessions.
2. Women, and especially feminists, don't give a fuck about gender equality. If they wanted equality, the custom of the man paying for all dates and then basically everything in marriage would have ended way back when women got the right to vote. But women care about enriching themselves, not about equality.
3. Most women in dating spin several plates. Even women in committed long-term relationships keep backup boyfriends so they have someone to fallback on in case the relationship goes south. I find this particularly disgusting. It's basically a way to not commit and pretend you are committed. It's using several people, and is a form of cheating. It's the antithesis to loyalty ... which brings me to my next point.
4. You cannot find a loyal woman. Women consider shopping for an upgrade to be normal in a relationship, and it's the man's fault if he can't measure up to someone else richer or more famous who comes along. The vows "in sickness and in health, in good times and in bad times, and forsaking all others" mean NOTHING to women. If some dude with more toys comes along, she'll jump along for the ride.
5. Women won't even be loyal to their country. In World War II, when the Nazis invaded France, many Frenchwoman took advantage of sex by banging SS officers in exchange for special privileges. Then they couldn't understand their countrymen's anger at them when France was liberated. They were screwing NAZIS, France's worst enemy ever, but they didn't understand why people were upset. Even today, if you look at the historical photos of Frenchwomen being punished for being such traitors, the text that accompanies is often Feminazi text to the effect of, "They were women who just fell in love." Bullshit. They were women who betrayed their country. The Free French stripped them to their underwear in public, shaved their heads, and painted a big, black swastika on their faces. Then they paraded them around town to public derision. I LOVE looking at these photos. It's one of the few times in history when women had to answer for their crimes.
6. Women, and especially feminists, don't see men as human beings. We're things to be used. If we've got money, we're ATMs they can use in exchange for sex. If we don't have money, we're subhuman and don't even deserve to live.
7. Feminists demanded that women be treated with respect. When men responded by doing exactly what they asked, feminists responded by dehumanizing men. They invented numerous terms to belittle men and show us no respect. Expressions like "mansplaining", "kill all men," and "male tears" exist to mock men. Meanwhile, almost all men have quit using expressions like "dumb broad," per women's request. In other words, they demand that we change, but they won't reciprocate.
8. Feminists have demanded an end to gender roles, but what they mean by that is women's gender roles are to be dropped, but they still demand the same gender roles as before on men. Women don't have to be housewives. They don't even have to be kind to their husbands, but men are still expected to be providers and are TOTALLY judged by how much money we make.

There's more. These are just the 8 main ones. It all boils down to feminism destroying relationships between men and women. Any man who agrees to get married is basically signing his own death warrant because she'll probably drive him to suicide. And, even when he does kill himself, she won't give him any respect. She'll denegrate him by claiming he took the coward's way out. She won't take any responsibility for driving the poor guy mad.

And that's the core of it all: Feminism is all about women evading responsibility for their own actions. It's not now, and never has been, about equality.

Originally Posted by TigPlaze

1. Figuring out that with women it's always about the money. First dates are basically financial interrogation sessions.

I think this is true to a certain extent but IMO women are more concerned with validation and feeling "special". Younger women find validation through dating or fu**ing high status men (athletes/musicians/frat boys/drug dealers in certain environments) and only after failing to attract or keep a high status male that can solidify her position on top of the totem pole of pu**y, does she switch to the goal of obtaining resources from men as an alternative. This is why you rarely see 10's on Seeking Arrangements or if you do, they aren't willing to put out.

After a certain age (25+) priorities change, and idea of being with a man that can and is willing to support her material desires becomes more important than getting piped down by the high status men that are remaining. They start to feel shame about being a semen receptacle for the backup Small Forward for the Atlanta Hawks, and find solace in the designer trinkets and toys that a provider male can offer. Biology also kicks in and having multiple rugrats to dress up and post on Instagram becomes a status symbol. No doubt they still desire the top 10% of men, but the smart ones are strategic in how and when they act upon those desires.

Regardless of the stage in life they are in, it's all about them, and what you can provide to them, and never about a partnership. Instead of conceding that they don't have the attributes to date top tier men, and building strong partnerships with the men they can attract, they try to squeeze the life out of the men they had to "settle" for. You become a consolation prize for them, and they don't feel satisfied until every ounce of "value" is extracted from you. To be fair, they never cared about the elite men they whored themselves out for either. It wasn't about the men, it's about the clout they gained by sleeping with those guys.

Originally Posted by TigPlaze

I'd bet I'm not the only ex romantic here. I used to believe in the true love that conquers all thing. I thought that eventually everyone met their soul mate and would get a solid commitment, meaning total loyalty, from them. I thought it was possible to win a woman's love by being a good and an extraordinary person.

I can't remember any one thing that destroyed my idealism, it likely died of old age. But like you, I used to think the same way. What a pair a idiots we was.

Originally Posted by frog

I can't remember any one thing that destroyed my idealism, it likely died of old age. But like you, I used to think the same way. What a pair a idiots we was.

You weren't an idiot. You were just taught the same bullshit that most of us were taught.

Here are some photos that I never tire of looking at. Sometimes disloyal women actually get what they've earned. Here are the Free French punishing women who fucked Nazi occupiers for personal gain. To be fair, some women joined the Free French and resisted the Nazi enemy by sabotaging train tracks, supply depots, bridges etc. Meanwhile other countrywomen were busy fucking SS officers to gain special privileges like extra food and luxury items.

I don't blame the Free French one bit for punishing these women. Imagine putting your life on the line, risking it all to twart the Nazi invaders, but some of your countrywomen are giving them the warmest welcome anyone could have by fucking them. These women were despised, and they got what they deserved in the end.








More beautiful photos like this are available here:
https://www.bygonely.com/french-wome...nishment-wwii/

I remember reading about allied soldiers in France looking for women wearing scarves, hoping for a little collaboration from these head shaved traitors.

I see the French women's site are putting their own spin on it, saying not everyone was in favor of taking vengeance on these women. That could be, but none of the many WW II books I've read mention this.

I realized very early on that it seemed to be the man who was required to make all the effort. Sure, the woman has to look good but that is it. The man has to make the approach, risk public humiliation if rejected, he has to impress the woman in some way, he has to prove his worth to her. It is just assumed that since he was the one who approached that the woman already is worthy.

The woman never really had to be anything other than attractive and she was born with her looks anyway so is being beautiful really anything amazing?

The man of course would have to feel grateful for any attention she decides to bestow upon him. It never sat right with me.

Then bullshit they feed you. Sex for women is so personal and intimate yet they sell it, they will strip naked for 100's if not 1000's of guys on webcam. They will do things for money for strangers that they would never do for their boyfriends! Yet sex is something special for them.

Then you have other forms of romanticism. The idea of going off to war for your country, getting killed (if you are lucky) or coming back emotionally or psychologically broken only then to be ignored. I saw a news story a few years back on soldiers who were undergoing rehab for their injuries they sustained in war. Lost limbs, broken bodies etc.

At the start of the news report they showed all these soldiers, females, blacks, Hispanics yet once into the story every broken soldier was *drum roll* a white man. Yet they were not shown at the start of the story.

On a side note, those French women accused of collaboration. I am always cynical of the mob mentality and although some of them probably were working with the Nazi's in some way, I am sure some of them were just accused as a form of revenge for something non related to treason.

As I like to say, feminism is simply an excuse to allow grown women to behave like children. It's a false moral high ground designed to stop all debate. Women-"We want equal rights!" Men- "you do have equal rights under the law", women- "sexist!" Debate over. It's the same with racism. Are there racists? Sure. Are the people the court of public opinion say are racist actually racist? Not even close.

Fortunately, I have rarely ran across this.

The vows "in sickness and in health, in good times and in bad times, and forsaking all others" mean NOTHING to women.

More generally, women don't feel bound by their words. It is not only the marital commitment that means nothing to them.

Consider someone from a culture without writing, how they would just not get that putting your signature on something means that you have agreed to it, and the rest of society will hold you to it. Women are like that with promises. Doing (or refraining from) X because you verbally promised to do X just makes no sense to them, it doesn't register.

Interesting thread -

I met my fair share of disgusting and miserable feminists at university, whose life is just one long tantrum, which quickly disabused me of any notion that women were the fairer sex. Believe it or not, before then I used to believe women were inherently kind (lol).

Then in terms of dating I also quickly found there to be a lot of truth to the quote "Women don't care about the struggle - they hang out at the finish line and fuck the winners."

You can be the nicest guy in the world, if things are going badly or if you don't tick certain boxes (height, money etc.), women will run a mile. I experienced this myself as I grew up, and I think a lot of guys do, where during the years my struggle when I was younger most women wanted nothing to do with me but as I got out in the world, got savvier, got better looking and more successful it changed - but I still remembered the hard times. So I have very few "romantic" notions of relationships like "soulmates" etc. It's transactional. Always was, always will be.

In terms of marriage, I have seen, both in the media and in my personal life, the number of women who have stayed with a guy for decades only to fuck him over with a divorce after all that time. A family friend of ours was suddenly served divorce papers by his wife of over 20+ years and three kids. They also had a business that was set up jointly but over the years he started to run it full-time while she only did very light admin work. Obviously when the divorce started she came for half of the business even though she contributed barely anything towards its success.

Then on a more visible level you have the ex-wives of Bezos, Gates and Musk who walk away with billions for little more than boffing the right guy at the right time. I found reading Musks biography very revealing in this regard. They interviewed his first ex-wife who was still whining about how hard done by she was even though she walked away with an absurd amount of money plus a monthly child support payment which would elevate her well into the 1%. She also whined that she wasn't taken seriously as an author even though she wasn't particularly successful. The overall impression was she thought by marrying a very successful businessman she was now, somehow by osmosis, a very successful author and should be celebrated as such - an insight into why women are so attracted to very successful men (beyond obviously the money).

Originally Posted by Mr Wombat

More generally, women don't feel bound by their words. It is not only the marital commitment that means nothing to them.

Consider someone from a culture without writing, how they would just not get that putting your signature on something means that you have agreed to it, and the rest of society will hold you to it. Women are like that with promises. Doing (or refraining from) X because you verbally promised to do X just makes no sense to them, it doesn't register.

Well said. This is why men tend to be fine with the status quo of say a job or marriage. Women typically aren't. Their nature is erratic, and they're prone toma changing of whims- any previous rules or commitment are irrelevant to what they're feeling in the now.

As such, they gravitate towards change and the novel. Their brains are like jazz... just all over the place. That's why there's no point in hating them. Do I hate the shark for being a predator? No. Do I hate my dog for biting in defense? No, it's in his nature and all he has is his mouth. To hate women is to hate nature, which is pointless. Simply learn their nature and live a life of minimal engagement with them- it's the most drama free way to move through life.

It's a good topic and I'll have to mull this over some more. For me it was something like a candle flame of romanticism, blown out by an ongoing windstorm of usually minor but consistently negative experiences with women in reality. The flame didn't get snuffed right away, but kept coming back weaker and weaker, as I failed to see anybody who really looked happy with their relationship plight. Very few people are really happy, but only the women today (and other supposed victims) have free public license to loudly blame it all on other people.

Originally Posted by DanielPlainview

"Women don't care about the struggle - they hang out at the finish line and fuck the winners."

I actually don't have a problem with this, if the woman is a winner herself. It's the woman that pass up men on their corresponding level of attractiveness to get plowed through by a guy that barely gives a shyt about her, is what I have concern with.

A while back I was in a decent sized social circle with women of various attractiveness. I was attracted to one woman in the group, and we eventually developed things into a relationship after a few months of being associates/friends. The whole time another woman, who was about 40 pounds overweight, was constantly throwing herself at me. I consistently turned her down and even the women in the circle made small comments about her overshooting her "station". Eventually, she started to date a man who was her physical peer, but even then would make passes at me. I felt terrible for the guy because she still was in denial about her level of appeal and I'm assuming that's because most men would have used her for an easy lay. I'm sure she thought the guy she ended up with was beneath her but after being rejected I guess she wanted someone to validate her worth as a woman. I'm 100% sure I've been on the opposite end of this and realizing this has soured me a little. (Note: I did hear that a few years later, she had lost the excess weight, so maybe her expectations came more in line with what she could attract)

I've mentioned this before on here, but IMO women aren't inherently "worse" then men. But society doesn't hold them accountable for their bullshyt, so their behavior tends to be more out of pocket. We can protect and advocate for the female gender and still have reasonable requirements from them as fellow humans, which as of now they seem to have trouble meeting.

Maybe some of you haven't seen this bit by Bill Burr but it sheds light on how women aren't held accountable by society and how it affects their behaviour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjQnha99sTY

Originally Posted by Chris007

Maybe some of you haven't seen this bit by Bill Burr but it sheds light on how women aren't held accountable by society and how it affects their behaviour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjQnha99sTY

Mr. Burr gets most things right

Traditionally speaking there is also a Feminine side/obligation to this romance equation. The woman is supposed to be soft, gentle, caring. She is supposed to be able to keep a home and raise children. She is supposed to have this enchanting effect on the man that he just wants to take care of her and build a life with her. They work for each other, they become a team.

That doesn't exist anymore. Women aren't good for that and the world has changed.

Originally Posted by Kryptic

Traditionally speaking there is also a Feminine side/obligation to this romance equation. The woman is supposed to be soft, gentle, caring. She is supposed to be able to keep a home and raise children. She is supposed to have this enchanting effect on the man that he just wants to take care of her and build a life with her. They work for each other, they become a team.

That doesn't exist anymore. Women aren't good for that and the world has changed.

Ironically if you say that these days you'll be called a misogynist - even though those are all objectively good and positive qualities.

Originally Posted by Kryptic

Traditionally speaking there is also a Feminine side/obligation to this romance equation. The woman is supposed to be soft, gentle, caring. She is supposed to be able to keep a home and raise children. She is supposed to have this enchanting effect on the man that he just wants to take care of her and build a life with her. They work for each other, they become a team.

That doesn't exist anymore. Women aren't good for that and the world has changed.

Yes, thanks to feminism, women have dropped out of their gender roles. Notice, however, how they demand that men uphold our gender roles. Women still TOTALLY judge men based on the money that we earn. We're still expected to spend tens of thousands of dollars dating women and then pay several month's salary for an engagement ring. Then in the marriage, we're expected to still be the primary bread winner paying for everything.

We were never asked if we were okay with this change. Feminism forced it on us. Imagine if they had asked, "Okay, we want to drop our gender roles; we'll no longer be home makers or be kind or supportive, but you still have to finance everything and pay to support us -- you good with that?" We would have said, "fuck that shit." That's what we're saying with MGTOW. We never agreed to this bullshit of women dropping their gender roles, but men still being held to ours. Fuck that shit! The one thing they didn't think of is we're not obligated to marry. If we see that it's a rotten deal, we have every right to walk away. So we've done that; now they scream "misogynist." They have to use that straw man argument. If they actually contradicted what we're saying, it would be laughable. They would have to say, "Wait, no, marriage actually is still a good deal for men." LOL.

Here's a video of the type of female behavior I (and I'm sure many of us) used to tolerate. Nothing like shuttling your gf around to party only to have her pick a fight with you, get sick, abandon you for her friends, or just act like a fool. Seriously, I just find women annoying anymore. They're like obnoxious children with ADHD. Yeah, some guys are like that too as yes, this is an immature young women. But, this impulsive behavior continues thought far too many women's lives. Thats why I say don't hate them, just walk away.

https://youtu.be/URXwJ-d1KP4