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    Exclamation There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    that's it.

    It's weird. Why can't I be friendly with women? Nope. It's doesn't work that way. Women only likes bad boy/men, and when bad boys drop her because he's bored with her, she's "heart-broken". She gets teary-eye, and wail after him, because he "took her heart". It can't be said the same for nice guys.

    Nice guys that are friendly and "boring as fuck" aren't thrilling to women and doesn't get her "sexual appetite elevated". Or "impulses" some put it that way.

    Ever since I've been red-pilled, I've been trying to stop my nasty habit of "over-friendliness". I grew up with a single mother, that raised me up to be "gentlemen" or worse, a "nice guy". This is the problem with most single mother when they raise their sons to be a nice guy, whether they did or didn't intentionally fucked his life over with being too nice of a guy or put it simply, "no back-bone".

    Single mothers may have good intentions to raising their sons, to be "good model citizens" or "gentlemen", but this has negative consequences, because it teaches sons to not know how to have back-bone, or know how to be decisive, like a man or leader should do. Mothers do not know the fuck how to raise their sons like a man. Myriads of mothers and other women claims that they know and understand men, so they think they can raise sons, with their past experience or knowledge in men, but really they model it, after their own opinions of men. so women/mothers raise it that way. The problem is, WOMEN ARE NOT MEN.

    Very few women have the precise recipes for boys to be strong men, almost identical to their own experience of having strong fathers that that women had, when growing up. Unfortunately, not lot of mothers or women had strong fathers when growing up.


    According to the to Mike Cernovich's book Danger & Play: Essay on Embracing Masculinity, he said, that when women asked him, why he doesn't smile when meeting women, he said,

    "What for? I'm a man. I don't play when it comes to women, not even for guys, either. Women has this perception that men should be nice. Especially when it comes to women. So if you're nice to women, women will automatically think you're weak. Women won't say it, but they do. So when women ask why you don't smile more when it comes to them or anyone else in particular, they are playing games with you. Women are always playing games with men, because they always want something from you (man). Men need to be masculine, not for women or anyone else, but for themselves as men."

    (not the exact quote from him, but similar quote, what I can remember from him. I have both prints and kindle version. )

    Women can have knowledge in any thing, but relationship. It's relationship that women most failed in. Women do not have any good advice for relationship, because most of their advice do not have merits in understanding men in the relationships. Most of the time, women are only thinking of themselves and what they want. No benefits to men, whatsoever.


    With Marriage, it is a bad deal, nowadays, because women are constantly looking for benefits for themselves, never for the man, that she's pinning (really, she is after his assets; not the man, itself, personally).

    Really, is there any wonder why she can't get the guy she wants? Top 20% tier men smartly deter any women, because once he's done with her, has no worth after sex fling, he can find a younger women and whatever else strike his fancy. Remember, women date up, while men date down. 80/20 rule.

    (I said this to a close, redpilled-married male friend of mine, about "women date up, men date down" phrase, and he called it bullshit. I was like, whatever. I can see why he's still in a way blue pill, because he has some red pill experience with women, but he think that women is better when they're "mature", (which I called it bullshit, because "mature" women are only mature, because they cannot snag top alpha males they want, and they have been dropped by the alpha males), so my close male friend still have some blue-pill fantasy when it comes to the topic of women despite his red pilled-decade experience with women hookups.)

    So I have some issue when it comes to women. At times I'm over-friendly to women, which is a major mistakes, due to my 2-decade raised by a single mother. After that, I'm on my own. Just recently, because I'm single, women were being over-friendly at work, because I was a customer. When it comes to guys who aren't single, because they're married, women in general don't smile. That was interesting. When you're single, women smile, only because you might have money. Or assets.

    When it comes to divorce, women don't smile anymore, because she gotten his shit-load of money from him, and because she never actually love him. It was only for her benefit. A lot of lot divorced guys have bitter stories to tell, and they literally hate their bitch that destroyed his life. After that, it was up to the divorced guys to start over, and have peace and called it his castle with a passion for "NO-Women Allowed". Later, divorced guys will call up their single guys of over x-number of decade friendship and have their tail tucked in, and asks, "what's up? Are you able to meet up? I just got divorced this bitch of a wife", things. Now, that will blossom, among bros, if one of them called up, but it's up to single guys, if they want to rekindle to what they have lost as bros, because married-guys-now-divorced see the light.

    Bros are actually more forgiving, than most women. So it really depend on bros to rekindle their guy-time friendship.

    But with being friendly to women? It doesn't fucking work. Being nice, any friendly attitude toward women doesn't attract women to nice guys. And it wins them nothing. At one point, a famous actor Shia Labeouf (known mostly for Transformers) jumped over the fence for some unknown female artist (or was she famous as well? I don't fucking care), and brought her flowers, because "he was so in love with her", but the female artist wasn't impressed and had a distain for Labeouf. So chasing women don't work, either. Yet some guys are still chasing women. Bless their little blue pill hearts.

    So for me, it will take some neurological change to really be a bad boy of some sort, you know, to be a man I want to be. When I'm friendly, a lot of guy friends easily make friends with me, but not women. So that should serve a clue. A clue that I'm reminded when women aren't receptive towards me.

    Perhaps it's the breeds of my behavior, when it comes out as friendly demeanor to most women. So I guess, when that friendly demeanor that comes out, they must have assume that I'm not exciting or non-caring when it comes to women, so it lowers their sexual appetite for me, because they instinctively assume I'm a nice guy.

    I hate it now, that when women called me a nice guy. Because it was after couple experience in my lifetime, that being called a nice guy is actually an insult. Any guy that has similar experience of being a nice guy, will know automatically that the term of "nice guy" isn't complimentary for men who are formerly "nice guys".

    Being unfriendly to women should be the rule for men. I mean how else can men get pussy?? I noticed that men, aka "bad boys" are shitty to women, yet they get laid. Interesting to note. While I'm not one to chase women, because chasing women doesn't work for most men, and I, in particular, have some similar experience when I was younger, being shitty to women seems to work for most men, because it attract women to them. I noticed that shitty men don't chase women, because they have no interest in women, and only care about themselves.

    So when women find some rare breed of top alphas, they do the chasing of alphas, because these "unfriendly" alphas give them sexual tingles.

    I think when most beta men don't have enough experience of being "bad" or "shitty" to women, they intend to "fuck up" and not knowing the rule of "GAME". It is said by most red pill guys, as "don't hate the player, hate the game". I don't in any way, espouse chasing of women. Recently, PUAs got fucked over by women, because they chased women. And these recent incident were in the news some time ago. I don't recall the name of the PUAs player, nor do I care, but they got fucked hard by these women. Now some of these "players" are serving prison sentence. Holy fucking A.

    This is why you don't chase women. Stay the fuck away from women. Most women have monopoly in almost everything, nowadays. If a woman is interested in you, let her chase you. Get laid, if you want. But be careful. Because women are always up to something. Chasing women never fucking works. Women should chase men. Right now, many women expect men to chase them. But how often do women are receptive to men chasing?? Never. Women are always lying about game. So this point, men should just not chase women. There's no point.

    Also, never accept women's advice of their version of "game". They have horrible advice. Even my own mother has terrible advice for me, when it comes to dating women. Especially, when I was a kid, she assume that young women want a "gentlemen" like me. Which I'm no longer fucking "gentlemen". It took me in my late teen and my 20s, to realize that. Men who are red-pill/mgtow/sigma male have better dating/getting laid advice for young men who just got red pilled, and experiencing disappointing past experience with women.

    So the first thing for me, I need to start experiencing "no smile/no friendliness" toward women. I still have a nasty habit of being too nice. So working on it. I'm going to re-read some self books for men, and just be masculine. Frankly, most boys and men have trouble finding the masculine role, or the male identity. I have no issue with being a man. I accept my male gender. (I hate those transgender bullshit. I will never get "rid" of my natural sex! Who does that shit, anyway?? I feel bad for men who are transgenders. They were lied to by society.) The issue, though is becoming men that is natural. Do we even have "men's culture"? Men's traditions? I doubt it.

    Jack Donovan has such amazing input on men's thousand year culture and war through his books, "The Way of Men", and his second volume, "Becoming A Barbarians" and this third volume, "A More Complete Beast". He has other books, but those three books are my favorite. Will need to re-read them.

    Right now, I'm working on my goals. I still have massive dreams, and I have narrow it down some first small dreams, because I was thinking bigger than I anticipated. I broke down into sections, like one year plan for small goals, for each year, so I can accomplish them. Few of my small goals were accomplished. So now, working on the next one.

    Whelp. I didn't intend to write a long piece. But I wanted to write something.

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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    You know what they say; mothers view the daughters as little girls and their sons as little girls, with a penis.

    I inadvertently learned this stuff when I was 18. I was always the chubby teenager, I was a nice kid, but no girl even looked at me. When I went to university, I had to walk everywhere as I didn't have a car and I got fit, fast. With that came an attitude, I mean I was a real prick at times, arrogant son of a bitch and bingo, women hanging off me and I would not describe myself as a chad, so I can just imagine how many women throw themselves at these chads. It was mind blowing to me at the time, this was long before MGTOW so communities like this simply didn't exist for men to communicate, but I learned fast. From never kissed a girl to having bagged several in a month, steep learning curve at the time lol.

    But now I'm older and wiser and no longer bother chasing tail. Too much trouble and money.

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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    Haven't you heard? In this lunatic world, everything is creepy. You could say, "I took my dog for a walk," and that would be seen as creepy. So would, "I washed my socks last night." If you're anything other than a Chad with 6-pack abs or an ultra rich celebrity, absolutely everything you do or say is creepy, no matter how innocuous. I'm really not that surprised that some dudes have flipped out and gotten violent in this kind of hostile atmosphere. Don't do that, of course. That would just make things much worse, but do avoid lunatic women, which is most of them.

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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    If you ignore women, they usually go away. Men see being ignored as disrespectful. I don't think women see it that way. Women look at guys like furniture out in public and they navigate around them. As a rule, they prefer not to interact with men. ignoring them is just acting the part and everybody's happy.

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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    Men raised around women are raised to be spineless. We are taught to never hit a woman even in self defense, treat her well, take her on dates, get a good job to impress her, etc. All about kissing her ass. Why is there never any mention of what she'll do for you?

    Women are "Do as I say not as I do". Do you notice how they always say be a gentleman but end up dating the "asshole" who hits them and treats them like shit? They like the attention. Thats bullshit she can't leave. There are tons of woman's shelters and government programs. The cops would lock up "asshole" in a heart beat for a domestic.

    Stay away from women. All they'll do is break your heart.
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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    Unless she in retail or she an user I have to (tech) support I simply play women no attention.

    It's like they do not exist to me anymore then any other object like a pillar or chair.

    Which works out well because I not the fittest looking man(yes yes I am a fat fucker who should suffer all the days of my life till I get my shit together, etc, etc). So they ignores me and I ignore them. It like we live on two different planes of existence.

    Which considering what they bring to the table, is a god send lol

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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    Haven't you heard? In this lunatic world, everything is creepy. You could say, "I took my dog for a walk," and that would be seen as creepy. So would, "I washed my socks last night." If you're anything other than a Chad with 6-pack abs or an ultra rich celebrity, absolutely everything you do or say is creepy, no matter how innocuous. I'm really not that surprised that some dudes have flipped out and gotten violent in this kind of hostile atmosphere. Don't do that, of course. That would just make things much worse, but do avoid lunatic women, which is most of them.
    A very good bro of mine used to walk up to random women, ugly ones and decent ones, get face to face with them while blocking them to a stop, look them dead in the eyes, and very loudly proclaim “ Jesus fucking Christ you’re UGLY!!!”…

    Not many of them reacted at all, some even smiled.

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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    Quote Originally Posted by Malinois View Post
    A very good bro of mine used to walk up to random women, ugly ones and decent ones, get face to face with them while blocking them to a stop, look them dead in the eyes, and very loudly proclaim “ Jesus fucking Christ you’re UGLY!!!”…

    Not many of them reacted at all, some even smiled.
    That's bizarre. Those had to be fake smiles, as they were likely afraid he was some loon. I wouldn't recommend doing this.

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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    That's bizarre. Those had to be fake smiles, as they were likely afraid he was some loon. I wouldn't recommend doing this.
    Yup, that kind of shit always flew like a lead balloon whenever I tried it!
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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    Quote Originally Posted by Malinois View Post
    A very good bro of mine used to walk up to random women, ugly ones and decent ones, get face to face with them while blocking them to a stop, look them dead in the eyes, and very loudly proclaim “ Jesus fucking Christ you’re UGLY!!!”…

    Not many of them reacted at all, some even smiled.
    Not a wise thing to do, but hilarious nevertheless, lol
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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    I'm way beyond caring if they genuinely like me or not. Even if it is genuine we know women have no long term loyalty. When they lose the tingles they destroy the man, it is easier than ever now. I see nothing "attractive" about them now either and I mean "Attractive" in the sense of not just liking the way they may look but actually being compelled to approach them and get to know then, in other words, be attracted to them.

    I also can't help but feel like there would be some kind of conversation along these lines between the woman and her friends;

    Her: "I met this guy. I really like him. So sweet blah blah blah"
    Friends: "Well that's great. You know, you can just use him and when you get bored with it all, call the cops!"
    Her: "What? Why would I do that, he wouldn't hurt me?"
    Friends: "Nah, most of them don't but the cops will arrest him and then you can sue him in court!"
    Her: "Oh.. you can do that?..."

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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    I've found that being unfriendly to women causes an atmosphere and is generally negative. It hurts both them and me and the world needs less negative energy, not more. What I find to be most effective is to be friendly, but for me to set those terms. I friendzone them because the thought of anything more is repellent to me. I've found women are generally blindsided when I set those kinds of boundaries. They're in no way used to that. The confidence and self assurance to set your boundaries with them, especially if they're physically attractive, sub-consciously resonates with their perceptions of bad boys, and evokes attraction of some kind (sexual, emotional, platonic, whatever). They admire and respect it. They don't respect hungry or negative men.

    Most of my friends are women, and most of those are decades long friendships. I just don't, and won't engage in anything more than that. The thought of that repels me more and more as time goes along. It'd be like training and caring for a big moulting pet dog which periodically is on heat. No thanks. But as mates they're actually quite entertaining. I get along fine. I look at them like men without penises.

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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    My married friend's wives all like me and never try to give me the bums rush the way your average women always do. Mostly it's cause I try to treat people right, they know neither them nor their men have any reason to cut me out of their life. It's also a small town thing, no use dumping useful people for no reason. Maybe being a bit odd helps, I'm not automatically thrown in with your average guys and their average motives.

    I certainly don't care for all women, there's plenty I can't stand. But there's no shortage of guys out there unworthy of your friendship either. Sad truth is, true friends of either sex are not easy to find.
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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

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    There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.
    There’s nothing wrong with being friendly with women. I refuse to live my life in fear of being sued. (not that they'd get much out of me anyway - ha!)

    You can be “over-friendly” though, always seeking them out or holding them in conversation when they have other things to be doing.

    A casual “Hi, how ya doin’? I haven’t seen you in ages” is fine. Judge the reaction. If she’s willing to stop and chat for a while that’s great, if she looks like she doesn’t have time to (or want to) talk let her go about her business.

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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    There’s nothing wrong with being friendly with women. I refuse to live my life in fear of being sued. (not that they'd get much out of me anyway - ha!)

    You can be “over-friendly” though, always seeking them out or holding them in conversation when they have other things to be doing.

    A casual “Hi, how ya doin’? I haven’t seen you in ages” is fine. Judge the reaction. If she’s willing to stop and chat for a while that’s great, if she looks like she doesn’t have time to (or want to) talk let her go about her business.
    You go, Jackoff! Bend them over like a barndoor hinge and fuck them in ass! Doesn't get any friendlier than that!

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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    You go, Jackoff! Bend them over like a barndoor hinge and fuck them in ass! Doesn't get any friendlier than that!

    With a bubble butt like that I'd be lucky to reach the hole! 2 inches of blue steel just isn't enough for some tasks.

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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    With a bubble butt like that I'd be lucky to reach the hole! 2 inches of blue steel just isn't enough for some tasks.
    That's because you're not bending her over far enough! They need to be kissing their ankles!
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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    I'm way beyond caring if they genuinely like me or not. Even if it is genuine we know women have no long term loyalty. When they lose the tingles they destroy the man, it is easier than ever now. I see nothing "attractive" about them now either and I mean "Attractive" in the sense of not just liking the way they may look but actually being compelled to approach them and get to know then, in other words, be attracted to them.

    I also can't help but feel like there would be some kind of conversation along these lines between the woman and her friends;

    Her: "I met this guy. I really like him. So sweet blah blah blah"
    Friends: "Well that's great. You know, you can just use him and when you get bored with it all, call the cops!"
    Her: "What? Why would I do that, he wouldn't hurt me?"
    Friends: "Nah, most of them don't but the cops will arrest him and then you can sue him in court!"
    Her: "Oh.. you can do that?..."
    Shit, it hasn't happen to me.... yet. And i rather not risk it. That's why I'm trying to not be so nice. I'm optioning to be less nice, and stay away from women. Currently, I'm working on my goals. I can do my goals, but women? Women are difficult to deal with. So I'm going to be practicing less niceness, if I have to talk to women.

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    Re: There's no point in being friendly with women. Because if you do, she's act uncomfortable. And later who knows, she might sue you for a creep.

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    Men raised around women are raised to be spineless. We are taught to never hit a woman even in self defense, treat her well, take her on dates, get a good job to impress her, etc. All about kissing her ass. Why is there never any mention of what she'll do for you?

    Women are "Do as I say not as I do". Do you notice how they always say be a gentleman but end up dating the "asshole" who hits them and treats them like shit? They like the attention. Thats bullshit she can't leave. There are tons of woman's shelters and government programs. The cops would lock up "asshole" in a heart beat for a domestic.

    Stay away from women. All they'll do is break your heart.

    That's the thing. I wasn't raised to be spineless, but even with a single mother, a christian, she's raised me to be "nice gentlemen". And I don't go for that bullshit anymore.


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