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    There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men

    I recently went to a pop concert and, although I was expecting it, I was still astonished by how slutty and skimpy all of the women were dressed. It's like all of them thought they were going to get banged by the singer after the show, or something. I just don't understand it.

    It also got me thinking that there is no equivalent of dressing like this for men. It is a completely female phenomenon. As a guy, the most you can, and the most normal guys would even want to do, in most public settings, is wear a sleeveless shirt and shorts. That's it. There is no crowd of guys going to bars, concerts or stores in banana hammocks. Sure, you have one-off people who do weird stuff, but it absolutely isn't the rule for guys trying to look good or guys that are just out in public.

    So what is it about women that, in order to feel like they're having fun, or look good or whatever, they have to reveal more and more of their bodies? Again, look at a mall during summer... you'd have a guy in a t-shirt and shorts next to a woman with a backless, shoulder-less top, and short-shorts, often showing some butt cheek.

    The Feminist argument is that women should be able to show every inch of skin on their bodies without getting, "unwanted attention" (check out "slut walks"). I just find this completely irrational. Like, first of all, how do they figure this to be a rational position, and second, if they don't want any attention, then why are they doing it. You can't tell me you need to have the entirety of your tits out because it's hot. Believe me, my ass and balls are sweaty too (you're welcome), but you don't see them sticking out of my pants do you? It's a hypocritical, self-righteous paradox. If your tits are hanging out, dudes are going to look because you put them out there for them to look at.

    And look, I'm not saying that I don't understand that men can take their shirts off outside, and women can't - I am not talking about being at the beach. I also know that we all like to look at women when they're showing some skin, but at the same time, it makes you think about the fact that you're even less likely to be able to find a women whose body won't be enjoyed by every passerby. And how about one day when you have a daughter? She's going to want to do that shit too, which isn't something you will enjoy. These are just my thoughts on the matter.

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    Re: There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men

    Quote Originally Posted by Gravemind View Post
    There is no crowd of guys going to bars, concerts or stores in banana hammocks. Sure, you have one-off people who do weird stuff, but it absolutely isn't the rule for guys trying to look good or guys that are just out in public.
    Living in the SF Bay Area I have to let you know that gay men do exactly that. But I guess they would be considered the women in those relationships.

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    Re: There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris007 View Post
    Living in the SF Bay Area I have to let you know that gay men do exactly that. But I guess they would be considered the women in those relationships.
    I was thinking exactly the same thing, but I thought for us heterosexuals (assumption), they really didn't factor into this equation. In the situation you describe, they would be taking on a feminine quality.

    Also, sorry to hear you live in SF, lol.

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    Re: There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men

    Quote Originally Posted by Gravemind View Post
    I recently went to a pop concert and, although I was expecting it, I was still astonished by how slutty and skimpy all of the women were dressed. It's like all of them thought they were going to get banged by the singer after the show, or something. I just don't understand it.

    It also got me thinking that there is no equivalent of dressing like this for men. It is a completely female phenomenon. As a guy, the most you can, and the most normal guys would even want to do, in most public settings, is wear a sleeveless shirt and shorts. That's it. There is no crowd of guys going to bars, concerts or stores in banana hammocks. Sure, you have one-off people who do weird stuff, but it absolutely isn't the rule for guys trying to look good or guys that are just out in public.

    So what is it about women that, in order to feel like they're having fun, or look good or whatever, they have to reveal more and more of their bodies? Again, look at a mall during summer... you'd have a guy in a t-shirt and shorts next to a woman with a backless, shoulder-less top, and short-shorts, often showing some butt cheek.

    The Feminist argument is that women should be able to show every inch of skin on their bodies without getting, "unwanted attention" (check out "slut walks"). I just find this completely irrational. Like, first of all, how do they figure this to be a rational position, and second, if they don't want any attention, then why are they doing it. You can't tell me you need to have the entirety of your tits out because it's hot. Believe me, my ass and balls are sweaty too (you're welcome), but you don't see them sticking out of my pants do you? It's a hypocritical, self-righteous paradox. If your tits are hanging out, dudes are going to look because you put them out there for them to look at.

    And look, I'm not saying that I don't understand that men can take their shirts off outside, and women can't - I am not talking about being at the beach. I also know that we all like to look at women when they're showing some skin, but at the same time, it makes you think about the fact that you're even less likely to be able to find a women whose body won't be enjoyed by every passerby. And how about one day when you have a daughter? She's going to want to do that shit too, which isn't something you will enjoy. These are just my thoughts on the matter.
    It's a lunatic world. Only a loon would dress in a skimpy outfit and paint the word "slut" on her body and then go on a slut walk, and then complain when someone calls her a slut.

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    Re: There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men

    Quote Originally Posted by Gravemind View Post
    The Feminist argument is that women should be able to show every inch of skin on their bodies without getting, "unwanted attention" (check out "slut walks"). I just find this completely irrational.
    If I take the word "show" for what it is, to show is to display. To display is to expect to be seen. To expect to be seen is an expectation for others to contemplate what they see. That's a transaction of two parties, not just something happening in a solo vacuum. To expect to control how others contemplate about what women display to them is irrational. Women are trying to control both sides of the transaction. So there has to be some give and take involved. If feminists stake out an extreme position of no give-and-take and try to designate their usurpation of other people's legitimacy as the new normal by saying "should be able to", and then shaming those who don't simply go along with it, even if they succeed I believe negative consequences always show up somewhere, whenever people are made undignified, as if to say our collective treatment of each other as human beings is a closed system, where nobody ever actually beats the system, and that what we see throughout life are constant overthrows of basic reverences mistakenly seen as malleable.
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    Re: There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men

    There is no obvious equivalent because we are (obviously) not equal.

    Were I to single out most valued trait for each sex, I would name the body and commitment.
    Men commit to women for their bodies, women grant sexual access in hopes of getting a man to commit to her.

    Now - when a woman has no relationship prospects? There are only two cases - she either is post-wall or a slut.
    Both boil down to a simple fact that she has nothing of value to offer.
    It's obvious to everyone that decay is the opposite of value. Likewise, what everyone has access to, rarely is valuable.

    Men aren't deemed valuable if they can't offer commitment or they have no resources that can be committed.
    Upon realizing this you will quickly notice that we have also terms for both of those cases - incel and simp.

    Yes, I would argue that simp is the male equivalent of a slut. Many simps have tons of resources and their commitment would indeed be valuable were they not to give it away to everyone they see.
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    Re: There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men

    Quote Originally Posted by Gravemind View Post
    The Feminist argument is that women should be able to show every inch of skin on their bodies without getting, "unwanted attention"
    This right here is the answer to your dilemma.

    They don't want to have to put up with "unwanted" attention. They want attention, but only from those they deem worthy of their own attention.

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    Re: There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men

    The natural state of a woman is prostitution and the degree to which she is given free rein to do as she pleases is the degree to which she will revel in this state. Modern women believe it's within their right to be whores and not be shamed for it, that's because men have created a society where women can behave however they want..men have capitulated to women's demands every step of the way.

    There is no equivalence of dressing slutty for men? Even if there is why would any man want to? Reducing men's moral standard to that of women's, which is none at all, reveals how capricious the time we live. There is no comparison here, there shouldn't be...
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    Re: There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men

    Despite what you hear it isn't women's bodies and sexuality that is shamed. It is men who are shamed. Look at porn, there is a market for every conceivable type of woman, age, body shape, race, breast size etc Ever see the men in porn? They all tend to be much the same and are more props anyway.

    Notice how there aren't many male sex therapists, at least on social media? That's because when men talk about sex it's considered creepy yet women can talk about any crazy shit they like and it's fine.

    Finally, women valued on looks, women know that. They trade on it, women used to be able to be classy and sexy at the same time. Then society changed and now they can just be whores. Men on the other hand are valued on what they can do, what they produce. How is a woman supposed to tell if a man is wealthy if he is half naked?! Suits. Suits are a man's version of dressing slutty. Wear one and walk around, note how many extra looks you get from women.

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    Re: There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men

    Quote Originally Posted by bazalgette View Post
    Yes, I would argue that simp is the male equivalent of a slut. Many simps have tons of resources and their commitment would indeed be valuable were they not to give it away to everyone they see.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    Men on the other hand are valued on what they can do, what they produce. How is a woman supposed to tell if a man is wealthy if he is half naked?! Suits. Suits are a man's version of dressing slutty. Wear one and walk around, note how many extra looks you get from women.
    Yep.

    When women want to appear attractive to the opposite sex, they take off their clothes because for most of them their sexuality is all they have to offer. So that becomes equated in their minds: Attractiveness for women = taking off clothes.

    When men want to appear attractive to the opposite sex, they put on their best and most expensive clothes. Dressing well, driving a nice car, owning lots of expensive accessories, and taking women to the fanciest restaurants makes men attractive to women because it indicates that they will be good providers.

    Men are attracted by sex; women are attracted by provisioning.

    So I suppose that flashing lots of cash and demonstrating social status is the male equivalent of "dressing slutty." Or at least it's the quickest way for most men to attract the attention of all the women in the vicinity.

    As the lyrics from "Alabama Getaway" go:

    The reason the poor girls love him
    He promise them everything
    Why they all believe him?
    He wears a big diamond ring

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    Re: There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWLife View Post
    Yep.

    When women want to appear attractive to the opposite sex, they take off their clothes because for most of them their sexuality is all they have to offer. So that becomes equated in their minds: Attractiveness for women = taking off clothes.

    When men want to appear attractive to the opposite sex, they put on their best and most expensive clothes. Dressing well, driving a nice car, owning lots of expensive accessories, and taking women to the fanciest restaurants makes men attractive to women because it indicates that they will be good providers.

    Men are attracted by sex; women are attracted by provisioning.

    So I suppose that flashing lots of cash and demonstrating social status is the male equivalent of "dressing slutty." Or at least it's the quickest way for most men to attract the attention of all the women in the vicinity.

    As the lyrics from "Alabama Getaway" go:

    The reason the poor girls love him
    He promise them everything
    Why they all believe him?
    He wears a big diamond ring
    Very well put. Most men are attracted to signs of health and fertility; that means a feminine figure, clear skin, long, thick hair, etc. A woman who wants to broadcast her attractiveness puts these attributes on display. Most women are attracted to wealth and social status; that means that a man who wants to broadcast his attractiveness puts these attributes on display.

    I'm going to add something to this; a man is expected to take responsibility for doing so, while a woman isn't. If a woman selects an outfit and accessories to make herself look hot, and she gets attention that she doesn't want, it's the man's fault, he shouldn't be acting the way he is.

    On the other hand, if a man winds up getting attention he didn't want for displaying his wealth and/or social status, it's considered his fault. Why were you flashing that money in that part of town? Couldn't you see what was going to happen?

    So, there is a male equivalent to "dressing slutty", and that's broadcasting his wealth and social status to as many people as possible. However, when a man does it, he's expected to know the possible consequences for doing so and to accept them if they happen. A woman is considered a victim if she attracts attention that she finds unwelcome.
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    Re: There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men

    Quote Originally Posted by Jadedoldman65 View Post
    Very well put. Most men are attracted to signs of health and fertility; that means a feminine figure, clear skin, long, thick hair, etc. A woman who wants to broadcast her attractiveness puts these attributes on display. Most women are attracted to wealth and social status; that means that a man who wants to broadcast his attractiveness puts these attributes on display. [...snipped]

    Yes, it's been proven by many scientific studies that men choose women on the basis of youth and beauty, while women choose men on the basis of their ability to provide.

    One of the best recent relationship books I've ever read is "The Tactical Guide to Women" by Dr. Shawn Smith, PsyD (PsyD is equivalent in psychology to a PhD), published in 2017. Smith says that good relationships are possible, but he takes a red-pill approach toward women and advises men to be very careful around them. Smith quotes a bunch of studies on the subject of how women choose men. For example:

    "In an outstanding review of evolutionary research, David Schmitt (2005) described the most basic, animalistic traits men and women seek in each other. "Men place a greater premium on signals of fertility and reproductive value such as a woman's youth and physical appearance. [...] In contrast, women place a greater premium on a man's status, resources, ambition, and maturity--cues relevant to his ability for long-term provisioning--and to his kindness, generosity, and emotional openness--cues to his willingness to provision women and their children."

    Smith comments on Schmitt's article and says, "Men, in general, prefer a nice hip-to-waist ratio. Women, in general, prefer a nice debt-to-asset ratio." (p. 7)

    This attitude on the part of women (their search for good providers), is what lies at the bottom of the phenomenon of "hypergamy," that is, women's tendency to dump boyfriends and husbands for the purpose of trading up to a more successful male. Of course, men do it too--men will occasionally trade in a wife for a younger model. But given that 70% of divorces are initiated by women, then presumably women are the worse offenders here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jadedoldman65 View Post
    [snipped...] I'm going to add something to this; a man is expected to take responsibility for doing so, while woman isn't. If a woman selects an outfit and accessories to make herself look hot, and she gets attention that she doesn't want, it's the man's fault, he shouldn't be acting the way he is.

    On the other hand, if a man winds up getting attention he didn't want for displaying his wealth and/or social status, it's considered his fault. Why were you flashing that money in that part of town? Couldn't you see what was going to happen?

    So, there is a male equivalent to "dressing slutty", and that's broadcasting his wealth and social status to as many people as possible. However, when a man does it, he's expected to know the possible consequences for doing so, and living with them if they happen. A woman is considered a victim if she attracts attention that she finds unwelcome.
    That speaks to women's lack of accountability. Women claim the credit for anything good that happens to them, patting themselves on the back and praising themselves for exhibiting "grrl power." But the second they don't like something, they howl, "I've been victimized!" and start pointing the finger at anyone but themselves. Women are like children in that respect.
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    Re: There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men

    In terms of dating/sexual marketplace a woman's value is intrinsically tied to her looks her age/youth and virility. Doesent matter if she makes enough to scrape by in debt or is wealthy by merit or inheritance. Does not raise that value. That same value is short lived over time will hit the wall and diminish much sooner.

    A man's value does not lie in his looks but his overall resources and perhaps social status, I do believe that we men age much better and genetically are more blessed in the long term. We become more beautiful as we age.

    It is my observation that men are interested in things and women are interested in people. To me at least I'm not attracted to a woman's success. Yet how successful a man becomes is extremely attractive to most women.

    Men don need to dress slutty to attract. Doesent matter if we have long hair, beard and or mushtache, a well made bespoke fitted/custom tailored suit will do well every day any weather perhaps multiple cleaned ironed shirt is all that's necessary. If you wish for peace of mind hide your wealth.

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    Re: There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainstar View Post
    [...]If you wish for peace of mind hide your wealth.
    This ^^^

    Also, it's worth noting that men's attraction to sex and women's attraction to provisioning will, in the long run, turn women into prostitutes and men into beasts of burden. Of the two, men have the worse deal: Men have to slave their entire lives away in the salt mines to prove their value to women and society. They have to earn their "man card" every day by carrying the weight of the family and making sure the money keeps coming in. Whereas women just have to keep the excess weight off, show a little skin, and engage in a little starfish sex occasionally.

    But that's probably a subject for another thread.

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    Re: There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWLife View Post
    When men want to appear attractive to the opposite sex, they put on their best and most expensive clothes.
    There’s something about this statement that caught my attention. In one sentence you have highlighted a huge distinction between men and women.

    Men “dress-up” to impress. Whether it be to attract the attention of women or to command authority, the idea is to impress. A man dressed in decent suit, tie and well pressed shirt is giving a signal: that he is control of his life (or at least aspires to be).

    It begs the question of what signal women that dress down are sending. That they are out of control?

    Sounds about right to me!

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    Re: There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainstar View Post
    It is my observation that men are interested in things and women are interested in people.
    Yes indeed.

    Well kinda.

    Men are interested in things, but so are women.

    When a man is interested in a thing he works hard for the privilege of investing in this interest.

    Women also work hard to invest in their interests, but they do it by working on people to provide the means for this.

    They love to spend money and buy “things”.

    Mostly useless things.

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    There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men
    Sure there is! Gold chains.

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    Re: There is no equivalent of "dressing slutty" for men

    There is an equivalent for men. Its all about the tease. Revealing what the other party want to see, what they are looking for. Has women objectify themself as dressing slutty "revealing". The equivalent for men is dressing resourceful like wearing a suit or a uniform. Ive always got more attention from women when i wear a suit. Plus anything that can showoff that you are wealthy. Rolex watch, gold chain as mention above, arival in a nice expensive car.


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