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    Re: The weight of the world!

    Still trying to manipulate us Happybachelor? Man did you pick the wrong place!

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    There is a circular reasoning within MGTOW and it goes thus: I loathe the world for what it has become, but don't ask me to help sort it.
    But we ARE helping to sort it. Every time we make a post we spread knowledge and understanding. We just aren’t doing the things YOU think we should be doing.

    Also hypocrisy. We chastise women for not keeping their side of the bargain, and yet we don't keep our own.
    Speak for yourself. Never once did I break my side of any bargain with any woman.

    Man's role is defending and standing up for what's right. Women and lame men are not going to stop this worldwide communist takeover. Men who are willing to die, are.
    Baaaaaaaaaaa.

    Who are you to tell me what a man’s role is?

    Well the choice is yours. You either do what you can and die knowing you tried, or do nothing, and endure what they have planned for you, knowing you did nothing.
    And there it is: “Make your choice but only from the options I give!”

    MGTOW claim they don't care but that's bullshit, it's simply buried under a lot of pain.
    Your sense of separation is the source of your pain and ire.
    Project much? Anyone that knows me IRL, and there are MANY, sees me as the happy, carefree person I am.

    It is time for real men to stand up and stop cowering under feminist media narratives.
    Real men huh? You heard him guys, it’s time to man-up!

    Just know that turning your back on the world makes you a product of the powers that be. A product of everything you hate. I want you to know that if you were not aware.
    We are ALL products of the powers that be, but at least we aren’t their agents trying to herd people back to the farm.

    Come on Happybachelor, surely you can do better than that!

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    Re: The weight of the world!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    It's a waste of limited energy. Energy that is best spent focusing on things that can be controlled.
    This !

    Energy optimization is key to winning a long drawn out fight, and those of us who are young, are in for a very long fight, if we dont die or surrender.

    My strategy to find people who are willing to listen to me... is not try finding them at all, its the other way around. THEY have to find me. I dont "ghost" that much with people who I interact with, and the people who I need to ghost, I dont need to interact with them at all. So the people who know me and interact with me, know where to find me if they feel they need my advice on anything.

    If they dont want my advice in the first place, then I dont want to save them. Doesnt mean that I want them to die, its just that I dont care, because they dont care.

    My methods are a bit complex, because reality is complex. If someone cannot understand it, then I dont want to save that person, because I simply cant. I know only one method. If they need some different kind of advice, they better seek someone else.

    Also, my methods are for LONG TERM success, and not about solving the immediate problem. Which means its very likely I will tell them to do something which will increase their pain in the short term. The pain can be physical or psychological or both. A war is a painful endeavor, I am not going to lie to them or sugar coat the fact that there will be no pain. There will be LOTS of pain. If they dont want this, if they want a faith-healer who gives them easy and comfortable solutions, I am the wrong person to seek.
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    Re: The weight of the world!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I think I know what you're getting at but I'm not too sure. Maybe I can elaborate more. I am not saying that I don't talk to other people, that I don't interact with the world, or that I don't even seek enjoyment from it. That's not the case.

    All I'm trying to say is that I can't waste anymore time trying to change peoples minds when it's futile. It's a waste of limited energy. Energy that is best spent focusing on things that can be controlled.

    I hope what I say makes a bit more sense.
    Fair enough. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, if you mean for example those who believe in Covid.

    Do I try to wake up those I care about? Yes.

    Ok, it's wasted energy for you. It's not for me. Goodwill, love and truth as energy, is not wasted. I feel like it's my nature to spread these things.

    And being a man, sat where most MGTOW have, I can say I believe it is in every man's nature to do the same. And it's a good thing for YOU and for the world - of which you are a part, no matter how separate you believe yourself or try to make yourself to be.

    You're hoarding goodwill to yourselves for reasons of economy. But it's false economy.

    That's all I was saying. People getting excited like I'm telling them to go back on the plantation, or something.
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    Re: The weight of the world!

    One must understand one's limitations, past which any risk-taking or expenditure of energy is counterproductive and sometimes even aids the enemy -- if not in your outright failure, then in bad press, which can do a lot of damage to your side in terms of public perception.

    One must also understand that enemies make mistakes, to their own detriment. It might be something as simple as going too far with a bad idea, especially if it's done too quickly. It's never a good idea to interfere while that's happening; just lay low and observe and know the enemy's own errors will eventually yield positive results for you. I'd much rather see 150 million people get slowly, gradually annoyed with something and finally put a stop to it, than a relatively few folks who decide it's time to "act."

    The wisest moves are the ones that help the enemy lose its own battles. A wise move can often be to do nothing for a time -- to avoid distracting the enemy while it's throwing sand into its own gearboxes. In a financial sense, such moves have infinite return, since their cost is zero.

    I remember working in a fairly large organization and being all bent out of shape about something or other. I can't even remember what it was. I was working for a manager at the time who'd "been around the block" a few times and "knew the score," so to speak. I'll never forget what he told me: "Anytime something like this happens, do nothing. Give it a couple weeks and it'll sort itself out." Well, it's played out that way 99% of the time, no matter what. I've never forgotten that advice.

    He wasn't saying never to get directly involved. He was saying to use your brains to decide when to get directly involved, and when it's better to lay low and chill. Moreover, he wasn't speaking from theory, or idealism, but from experience. He knew what worked. Moreover, he know what didn't work and would turn out to be only a waste of resources and goodwill.

    Finally, watch out for infiltrators "wearing camouflage." Example:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...riot-recorded/

    (Also at archive.today: https://archive.ph/lDJL3)

    This sort of thing can happen at the lowest levels, even within the social spheres you operate in on a daily basis. Even with people you've known for a while. Anyone can be flipped, with the right initiatives (the right pile of C-notes, the right threats, the right lies, whatever). Be vigilant.

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    Re: The weight of the world!

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    Fair enough. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, if you mean for example those who believe in Covid.

    Do I try to wake up those I care about? Yes.

    Ok, it's wasted energy for you. It's not for me. Goodwill, love and truth as energy, is not wasted. I feel like it's my nature to spread these things.

    And being a man, sat where most MGTOW have, I can say I believe it is in every man's nature to do the same. And it's a good thing for YOU and for the world - of which you are a part, no matter how separate you believe yourself or try to make yourself to be.

    You're hoarding goodwill to yourselves for reasons of economy. But it's false economy.

    That's all I was saying. People getting excited like I'm telling them to go back on the plantation, or something.
    People have to do what's best for them. That's what going your own way is all about.

    I just realized there was contention earlier in the thread. I guess I should read the whole thing before I post.

    What's going on here I think is that people are really guarded against any form of perceived shaming. MGTOW by nature is very individualistic so people are guarded. Add that to the fact that it's the internet and you never know who you're talking to and you have people become a bit apprehensive. That's all I think it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post

    I remember working in a fairly large organization and being all bent out of shape about something or other. I can't even remember what it was. I was working for a manager at the time who'd "been around the block" a few times and "knew the score," so to speak. I'll never forget what he told me: "Anytime something like this happens, do nothing. Give it a couple weeks and it'll sort itself out." Well, it's played out that way 99% of the time, no matter what. I've never forgotten that advice.
    Isn't this ever the truth. I have worked at places where there were always "problems" and 80% of the time. If you just sat back and did nothing, it would be sorted out. @rkpsim mentioned some more about energy conservation and I think that's a great way to look at it.

    If you've ever played a game like "Final Fantasy Tactics", you only have a certain number of moves before your character cannot do anything. You have to use the moves wisely.
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    Re: The weight of the world!

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    I'm not doing that. I'm saying if you have a fuck the world attitude, then yes, you are a product of the cabal. That's indisputable.

    I'm saying it's not your authentic self. Again, indisputable.

    What you're doing is taking my messages as something they are not. This happens because everything is coloured by your internal MGTOW dialogue. Hence the 'rut' thinking. Everything you hear falls into a rut, a safe file to categorise me under.

    You have listened to my piece and are not swayed. That's fine. Each to their own, then.

    Tough crowd!

    What makes you say that?



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    Re: The weight of the world!

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    One must also understand that enemies make mistakes, to their own detriment. It might be something as simple as going too far with a bad idea, especially if it's done too quickly. It's never a good idea to interfere while that's happening; just lay low and observe and know the enemy's own errors will eventually yield positive results for you. I'd much rather see 150 million people get slowly, gradually annoyed with something and finally put a stop to it, than a relatively few folks who decide it's time to "act."

    The wisest moves are the ones that help the enemy lose its own battles. A wise move can often be to do nothing for a time -- to avoid distracting the enemy while it's throwing sand into its own gearboxes. In a financial sense, such moves have infinite return, since their cost is zero.

    I remember working in a fairly large organization and being all bent out of shape about something or other. I can't even remember what it was. I was working for a manager at the time who'd "been around the block" a few times and "knew the score," so to speak. I'll never forget what he told me: "Anytime something like this happens, do nothing. Give it a couple weeks and it'll sort itself out." Well, it's played out that way 99% of the time, no matter what. I've never forgotten that advice.

    He wasn't saying never to get directly involved. He was saying to use your brains to decide when to get directly involved, and when it's better to lay low and chill. Moreover, he wasn't speaking from theory, or idealism, but from experience. He knew what worked. Moreover, he know what didn't work and would turn out to be only a waste of resources and goodwill.
    There is a problem with this strategy if applied to our current scenario.

    First, it can only be done when you can relatively be safe at a distance and watch the system collapse. Which you are, in a company. There are limits to how bad it can get for you. In most cases, the worst is you get fired with or without some additional reputation destruction (eg: metoo or something). And even THAT may not happen if you were simply just passively watching.

    But when society is collapsing, one needs to seriously evaluate how FAR is he from the system. Does he got money invested ? Great, he is entangled with financial system. Does he buy food from grocery stores ? Awesome, he is entangled with a pretty much just-in-time supply chain. Are his skills too specific for a large corporation ? Gratz, he is useless in a collapsed society, and have nothing to trade with other people for basic things like food.

    And that is not even going to into more exotic things like actual prepper skills. But even with this, it leads to second problem, which can also, quite often, exist on its own, and that is :-

    Waiting for a savior. Maybe Jesus will come again, or maybe some Hitler will rise up and (try to) save his people by conquering the whole world. Or as you said it, some X million people will rise up and revolt..... will they ? This makes that person just a glorified damsel in distress. A Cindrella waiting for the perfect prince to arrive. A pig just in line for slaughter. If the collapse does happen, this person will most likely be dead, or if not dead, will be forced to surrender to the terms and conditions of the enemy.

    In old times, surrender might've meant being an actual slave, under an actual whip. In modern days it can be masks, vaccines, forced gene therapy, and who knows in short future maybe even getting a microchip installed and eating bug meat for food. Because thats what one will get when the government shows up "to help". Either take the "help" willingly, or they will administer some extra help at a nearby camp.

    And this is more severe for younger people. They are more likely to witness the action packed moments of the collapse.

    There is a great difference between being a sniper taking his time to aim, vs being an ostrich with its head in the sand just hoping that it will be alright. And the difference can easily be known from few minutes of talking to that person. The ostrich has absolutely no plan, no preparations, no knowledge of what is happening, and last but not least, will actively try to AVOID talking about bad things (the head is in the sand).

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Finally, watch out for infiltrators
    This can be mitigated by following the pirate method. The general idea of your plan shouldnt revolve around a general leading an army, but a large number of small bands of warriors doing their own thing. The pirate crews operated independently. An infiltrator in one crew cant do much against entirety of pirates, and there were simply too many crews. And this reduces the incentive for the enemy to invest in infiltration much.

    In present scenario this can be achieved by not trying to be a leader. If someone asks me for an advice, I will tell him (or her) things which are publicly known, and then what to do about it, which will NOT consist of following me around, but general ideas, like disentangle from the system as much as possible, stay fit or atleast avoid being obese, develop independent skills, learn deductive skills to navigate the informational overdose we have, etc etc. To any actual infiltrators reading this, good luck.
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    Re: The weight of the world!

    "But when society is collapsing, one needs to seriously evaluate how FAR is he from the system. Does he got money invested ? Great, he is entangled with financial system. Does he buy food from grocery stores ? Awesome, he is entangled with a pretty much just-in-time supply chain. Are his skills too specific for a large corporation ? Gratz, he is useless in a collapsed society, and have nothing to trade with other people for basic things like food."

    @rkpsim...I think it's best to be as self reliant as one can possibly be. No you can't do everything by yourself but you can mitigate reliance on systems that are doomed to fail. If you learn to garden for instance, you may not be as affected by the closing of grocery stores.

    It's best to be in a community of people that share your values. It's not possible to survive by yourself.
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    Re: The weight of the world!

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    Also hypocrisy. We chastise women for not keeping their side of the bargain, and yet we don't keep our own.
    It's not like that. MGTOW developed as a reaction to feminism, not as an ongoing openness to negotiate which is where accusations of hypocrisy have traction. I've responded to you in another recent thread, and not necessarily as an Admin., touching on that you're talking like you are MRA, not MGTOW.


    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    I know the instant response to a post like this is STOP SHAMING US INTO SACRIFICING OURSELVES FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT US.

    I've been there.
    I hear in this that a change has occurred in you.


    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    MGTOW and all ideologies encourage 'rut' thinking.
    Here, you continue your line of thought, about activism, I believe.

    Are you moving away from MGTOW and towards MRA? They, too, say MGTOW needs to negotiate. That's an established philosophical/ideological disagreement between the two groups. But that's why they are over on their forums and we are here on ours.

    I'm thinking that a denigration of MGTOW is underlying your current thoughts.

    If you're not on board with MGTOW anymore, people do change.
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    Re: The weight of the world!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    @rkpsim...I think it's best to be as self reliant as one can possibly be. No you can't do everything by yourself but you can mitigate reliance on systems that are doomed to fail. If you learn to garden for instance, you may not be as affected by the closing of grocery stores.

    It's best to be in a community of people that share your values. It's not possible to survive by yourself.
    Agreed. My point was to highlight the problem with "wait and watch" strategy, when applied to societal collapse, and its easy to take things too far into waiting. Like I have said in other places, when people rise up to revolt, normal people, its usually awfully too late. Like people protesting against vax passport laws in some countries. I am pretty sure that if the gov comes out and says that they postponed the law by few months, most of the people will simply go back home, just because their problems of dealing with next evening are fixed...

    Wait and watch is good when you have very clear idea what is going to happen, how is it going to benefit you, and how you can avoid any damage to you. It relies on you being able to play out the scenario in your head with quite a bit of accuracy and detail. This is very much doable within the scale of a company job, and much harder at the scale of entire life.
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    If you cannot determine global extrema... or if the graph (or space) is infinite, genetic algorithms give better results.

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    Re: The weight of the world!

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    It's not like that. MGTOW developed as a reaction to feminism, not as an ongoing openness to negotiate which is where accusations of hypocrisy have traction. I've responded to you in another recent thread, and not necessarily as an Admin., touching on that you're talking like you are MRA, not MGTOW.




    I hear in this that a change has occurred in you.




    Here, you continue your line of thought, about activism, I believe.

    Are you moving away from MGTOW and towards MRA? They, too, say MGTOW needs to negotiate. That's an established philosophical/ideological disagreement between the two groups. But that's why they are over on their forums and we are here on ours.

    I'm thinking that a denigration of MGTOW is underlying your current thoughts.

    If you're not on board with MGTOW anymore, people do change.
    Thanks for the considered reply.

    I'm not moving away from MGTOW in terms of women, my position remains the same on that.

    I am moving away from the echo chamber within MGTOW thinking. It's nothing to do with MRA.

    It's very difficult to put across myself without being misconstrued. Has been all my life. You get filed under a bracket and this teaches you to not express yourself properly. So you internalise everything and become something you're not.

    I'm simply seeing that some men are stuck in quite a negative pattern. I see this clearly having come through it myself. Bitterness towards the world, others.

    Being 'too MGTOW' closed me off to a degree. Good for safety, survival.. but not for full human expression and experience.

    There is an opportunity for significant soul growth if men want it. I won't push any more though.
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    Re: The weight of the world!

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post

    It's very difficult to put across myself without being misconstrued. Has been all my life. You get filed under a bracket and this teaches you to not express yourself properly. So you internalise everything and become something you're not.
    I certainly can relate to that. I tell myself to tweak my messages as needed and soldier on. That's what I meant in the other post when I said that I teach myself the articulation to express my thoughts and then call upon myself to express them. I find self-respect in such perseverance. I think you also will not let yourself down.


    I'm simply seeing that some men are stuck in quite a negative pattern. I see this clearly having come through it myself. Bitterness towards the world, others.
    This is a very common trap to fall into. I notice that people sometimes seek camaraderie through negativity, perhaps because it works. This may be a good time to show everyone reading this, a statement from our Principles:

    Appreciate if you wouldn't:


    • Be defeatist. A worldview that is defeatist (ie: "end of the world") for one thing has little factual basis but also invites negativity at an individual level and undue pessimism.
    I make occasional mention on this site that we promote proper avenues of mental health. I think that came from my personal memoirs. It's wise to pull back when you think you're losing your balance.


    Being 'too MGTOW' closed me off to a degree. Good for safety, survival.. but not for full human expression and experience.

    There is an opportunity for significant soul growth if men want it. I won't push any more though.
    Well, they say anything worth doing is worth overdoing. But, I agree, we should not harm ourselves in the process of our growth. Me, I bump into the wall at every turn. LOL.

    I'm not sure, frankly, if you should actually close off the candor while on this site, if that's what you're thinking here. You've been quite open with me here, this camaraderie is good for both of us, I'd say. Perhaps, the key is, like you say, to not push new territories, but to speak only of ourselves, without issuing prescriptions, and let people draw from our personal testimonies at their own speed, in their own time, in their own way, at their choice, and, importantly, anonymously, if they need that. Just as I so often do with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    Your sense of separation is the source of your pain and ire. It is a lie, one the cabal made you believe in. While in this survival mode you cannot access the higher self.

    There is no separation.
    I know someone already mentioned it but I had to ask, are you even a MGTOW? No separation?...Seriously?

    What exactly do you hope to win? What exactly are you striving for? MGTOW is an individual thing, it is male-sovereignty in toto, it is the realization that no obligation exist outside of the one you owe to yourself. None.

    Inaction is glorious, my friend, and believe it or not it is the only action that brings tangible result faced with the type of problem we currently face. The world you're trying to save is already careening 360mph for an impending collapse and it's determined to roll you along with it if you stand in its way. Realistically speaking you're one in billions, one tiny drop of red in a sea of blue, exactly what impact do you think you'd have? This isn't a defeatist mindset either, it's facing cold reality. Your effort is futile.

    Your mentality is no different from many tradcons/MRAs currently prancing around as MGTOWs...they blanketed everything with "Redpill" but they reek, and these women know it too. You could literally smell hope on these guys; the hope that someday soon women would suddenly realize they need and want men and they'd come begging. The rancid hope that someday they'd be seen by women as useful again...,the enslavement mentality their biology has forever saddled them with. I mean...what is a man if he isn't a useful cog, if he isn't some sacrificial lamb, what is he if he isn't useful to some woman, to the system, to society, to everyone but himself?

    Francisco D'Ancona's speech is apt here, "If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater his effort the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders - What would you tell him?" I…don't know. What…could he do? What would you tell him?" To shrug.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    What makes you say that?



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    Re: The weight of the world!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    Inaction is glorious, my friend, and believe it or not it is the only action that brings tangible result faced with the type of problem we currently face.
    I am curious how inaction solves the problem when government prevents me from some critical service like buying food or use banks unless I get vaccinated ?

    The way I see it, the people who propose "not playing the game" or "inaction" have one of these three things to say :

    1. Dont be a conspiracy theorist, just take the vaccine
    I'm sorry, this is an extremely pathetic suggestion. I'd rather be a married dude paying child support to my ex for having sex with other men in my house where I dont live, instead of letting the government do mrna gene therapy to me.

    2. Fight whoever government sends at you, until the bitter end
    This is a good option, as a last resort. I'll do this if I have to, but I have some ambitions in life and I do care about living and not dying if I can help it.

    3. Figure out something
    Yes, and this method works if you try to figure out a solution to an impending problem BEFORE it happens. And since inaction means doing nothing, I dont see how its helping.

    My criticism of happybachelor's methods are SAME as my criticism of "just dont play" mgtow method, unless I missed something.
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    If you cannot determine global extrema... or if the graph (or space) is infinite, genetic algorithms give better results.

    The function space or hypothesis space is not only infinite, but in most cases, have infinite dimensions.

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    Re: The weight of the world!

    Francisco D'Ancona's speech is apt here, "If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater his effort the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders - What would you tell him?" I…don't know. What…could he do? What would you tell him?" To shrug.”
    Ah, the title of this thread!

    Yes! And for those who do not know, he's a character in the 1957 novel Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. Go out and read it. I can't find my copy, dang it. I think it went Galt.
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    Re: The weight of the world!

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    I am curious how inaction solves the problem when government prevents me from some critical service like buying food or use banks unless I get vaccinated ?

    The way I see it, the people who propose "not playing the game" or "inaction" have one of these three things to say :

    1. Dont be a conspiracy theorist, just take the vaccine
    I'm sorry, this is an extremely pathetic suggestion. I'd rather be a married dude paying child support to my ex for having sex with other men in my house where I dont live, instead of letting the government do mrna gene therapy to me.

    2. Fight whoever government sends at you, until the bitter end
    This is a good option, as a last resort. I'll do this if I have to, but I have some ambitions in life and I do care about living and not dying if I can help it.

    3. Figure out something
    Yes, and this method works if you try to figure out a solution to an impending problem BEFORE it happens. And since inaction means doing nothing, I dont see how its helping.

    My criticism of happybachelor's methods are SAME as my criticism of "just dont play" mgtow method, unless I missed something.

    Inaction doesn't mean just sitting around doing nothing, it means taking action (no matter how small) to save YOUR OWN life, just your own life. Action towards self, inaction towards society. The reason is, no matter how ardent your efforts, you don't make a difference. Abandon the hope that the masses would soon come to their senses, that they'd come to your side, change their course, and save you in the process. All efforts should be directed towards self and self only.

    Hell no, I wouldn't advise you to take the vaccine and I doubt anyone here would either. Like someone already said, become less dependent on a system that seeks to enslave or oppress you, get a one way ticket out of the country until the storm pass, rely on your savings, grow your own food, downsize and minimize so you become less reliant on the government or income, come up with a long term plan to do prior, start thinking of a costly efficient retirement spot (in case something like this re-occur).

    This may be apples and oranges but my boss once asked me why I don't do overtime (I haven't worked OT in 15 years, regardless of the job). I told him I'd rather scale down my lifestyle, become poorer if need be, be reduced to just one bed and a small table, than work one hour over 40hrs. He laughed and said it's because I don't have mouths to feed. Well, that's a big part of it but it's also principle because I know where that road leads. Thankfully I make enough to sustain my life and my lifestyle.

    The fact that you are MGTOW and you alone is all you have to care for makes this even easier...way easier than a blue pill conservative who is vaccine resistant but is saddled with a wife and kids and world of responsibilities and worries. I always tell MGTOW-minded-men, look behind you, there are no chains. We are the most flexible mfs in the world. It means you can pick up, set down, change course, do whatever, downsize, upgrade, hibernate, laze, accept, reject, eject,...how or whenever you want. I don't know, maybe it's just me.
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    Re: The weight of the world!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    Hell no, I wouldn't advise you to take the vaccine and I doubt anyone here would either.
    Stay here long enough and you will be surprised !

    But I'm glad that you are against the vaccine at all costs, this actually makes our dialogue easier, atleast we both have common stance on the basic dilemma. Now onto your solution...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    Like someone already said, become less dependent on a system that seeks to enslave or oppress you, get a one way ticket out of the country until the storm pass, rely on your savings, grow your own food, downsize and minimize so you become less reliant on the government or income, come up with a long term plan to do prior, start thinking of a costly efficient retirement spot (in case something like this re-occur).
    Two things I'd like to say on that :

    1.
    You talk about some good long term solutions. And I have actually done many of those. I have downsized my life greatly to reduce the dependence on the system or income. But it still requires lots of work, both physical and mental. You need to be aware of the problems happening around, you need to be aware of your long terms plans (assuming you HAVE them at all). There are people, both in mgtow and outside, who recommend absolute carefree life. No, that is not possible. You cannot afford to be not aware of the problems or else you will be caught off guard and alone, and then you will have to do whatever the enemy demands.

    I spend quite a bit of time reading about politics and the world situation. This allows me a broader perspective on what is happening in my country. I get to compare it with the world to get an idea where things are going and how fast they are going. Currently the situation is slowly inching towards China like system, but the problematic phases are still few years away, atleast what I can guess from what I know.

    So this is the part where we both completely agree. The problem is my second point on your method :

    2.
    One way ticket out of the country. This is under the assumption that there is a country in the world who will accept you, and there is enough lawfulness that a small band of five (armed) people cannot just knock down your door and take all your stuff, and maybe even injure or kill you. Or you can go into a jungle and hope that nobody ever finds you and is at the same time hungry and cold. And its not enough that this place exists, but you are able to actually find it. This assumption might be true in the current situation, but its not guaranteed to be true, lets say a decade from now. Heck, it may become so bad that you can be attacked and your stuff can be taken while traveling to such a place.

    Do note that dont take it as a bland pessimism. I did acknowledged that it "may" happen, which means I agree that it "may not". I am doing exactly what you recommended. Planning for long term, but considering some possibilities which are not insignificant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    I haven't worked OT in 15 years, regardless of the job.
    Same here, though its applied in a different way. I am self employed, which means all my earnings go to me directly and my boss is me. I dropped out of the college exactly because I realized I can just work and earn alone, atleast enough for my needs. So in superficial sense, I did work overtime all the time, because I love my work and benefit from it. But yeah, forget OT, I never worked even for a minute, for a salary under some boss.
    Greedy algorithms always get stuck in a local extrema...

    If you cannot determine global extrema... or if the graph (or space) is infinite, genetic algorithms give better results.

    The function space or hypothesis space is not only infinite, but in most cases, have infinite dimensions.

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    Re: The weight of the world!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    I know someone already mentioned it but I had to ask, are you even a MGTOW? No separation?...Seriously?
    Your incredulity here tells me you have no idea of the concept of duality. Look it up. Thinking you are separate from everything else is false, and the source of many mental problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    What exactly do you hope to win? What exactly are you striving for? MGTOW is an individual thing, it is male-sovereignty in toto, it is the realization that no obligation exist outside of the one you owe to yourself. None.

    Inaction is glorious, my friend, and believe it or not it is the only action that brings tangible result faced with the type of problem we currently face. The world you're trying to save is already careening 360mph for an impending collapse and it's determined to roll you along with it if you stand in its way. Realistically speaking you're one in billions, one tiny drop of red in a sea of blue, exactly what impact do you think you'd have? This isn't a defeatist mindset either, it's facing cold reality. Your effort is futile.
    Your thesis of "it's futile" is categorically wrong, and I shall prove it now. I've done a very small act which some would scoff at as being 'futile'. Well it has led to a whole chain of events that has transformed my outer and inner world. The butterfly effect. So was it 'futile'? It certainly has not been for me, nor for the others I've engaged with.

    I know where you're coming at it from, and why it's 'futile' to you - like so many you want the absolute solution NOW or you don't wanna play. Everything is futile unless it solves the problem by tomorrow evening.

    Well it's you that's the problem if you think this way. This is the inherent selfishness in MGTOW, the turning inwards due to past 'wrongs' against you. It's all cost/benefit, if it doesn't benefit ME I ain't doing it (sound familiar as a gripe we often hold against women?). If it's not the game-winning move I ain't doing it.
    Well ok, we are all primarily self-driven creatures, yes. But if you don't have the intellect to recognise there's a line beyond which this attitude is not healthy and thus not good for you, I can't help you. The human soul needs to share in order to be at its best.

    From a single candle, a thousand can be lit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    Your mentality is no different from many tradcons/MRAs currently prancing around as MGTOWs...they blanketed everything with "Redpill" but they reek, and these women know it too. You could literally smell hope on these guys; the hope that someday soon women would suddenly realize they need and want men and they'd come begging. The rancid hope that someday they'd be seen by women as useful again...,the enslavement mentality their biology has forever saddled them with. I mean...what is a man if he isn't a useful cog, if he isn't some sacrificial lamb, what is he if he isn't useful to some woman, to the system, to society, to everyone but himself?
    Nope. You do whatever you want to cupcake. You will come to your own realisations in time, or not, if you choose perpetual survival which means perpetually suppressing your higher nature.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    Francisco D'Ancona's speech is apt here, "If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater his effort the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders - What would you tell him?" I…don't know. What…could he do? What would you tell him?" To shrug.”
    Lol man this is so lame I dunno where to start. They really just want to give you guys a pat on the back for having 'held up the world' and now righteously turning your back on the world that fucked you over just for helping it. Lol. Look man I've been there, this is MGTOW basics. You're probably a bit 'green' for my insights.
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