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    the right to opt out is a basic human right

    The Right to Opt Out

    Various countries and the EU and the United Nations have for years debated what basic human rights are. They've come up with some things that make sense:

    • The right to live your life as you see fit (aka freedom)
    • The right to live free of dictatorship
    • The right to be fairly compensated for work.
    • The right to control your own body.


    There are many more, but you get the idea. There's another one that I think should be a recognized human right, and that is:

    The right to opt out.

    That's what we MGTOW are doing. We've learned what a raw deal dating and marriage is for men, and we've decided we're out. And we have every right to opt out, but it sure doesn't seem like others see it that way. Feminists seem to love to distort the truth. When Warren Farrell (a feminist and men's rights activist) went to speak at a university about ex soldiers suffering from PTSD, the feminists protested, branding him a “rape apologist.” They never explained how caring about men suffering the after affects of combat somehow makes someone in favor of rape. But they didn't need to. They are supported by hoards of fanatics who will instantly believe the “rape apologist” bullcrap the instant they here it, and will completely ignore what Farrell actually advocates.

    It's the same thing with MGTOW. We're simply invoking our right to opt out of the dating/marriage scam. Any reasonable person would respond to that with, “Okay, that's your right. You live as you choose.” However, we often don't deal with reasonable people. Instead of recognizing such a basic human right, the antis cherry pick and straw man us to death.

    It's quite natural that a man who got destroyed by marriage would hold some anger. Expecting him not to would be unreasonable. So such a man would go onto the old Reddit MGTOW sub and rant, “I was deployed in Iraq for 36 months only to come home to a wife who had cheated on me the whole time.” Let him throw in a few explicates if he needs to. He's earned it. We as MGTOW men understood his need to finally get it off his chest. The SJW assholes judging us did not. Being upset about the deplorable actions of an ex-wife or ex-girlfriend is NOT the same thing as hating on women. Other men ranted about how his ex-wife got knocked up by another man and then lied to her husband that he was the father. That's paternity fraud, not that our system cares. Some men who went through that ranted, and maybe used colorful language, to express how awful it feels to be betrayed like that. His self-expression falls under another human right, the right to free speech, not that the SJW types care about that.

    For many men, that Reddit MGTOW sub was the first place they ever had to express their pain. It was the first time in a man's life where he could express what he went through and others would give a damn. Everywhere else, you simply get blamed, as if you never have any right to be upset about anything. The SJW's “proved” that the MGTOW sub was misogyny by cherry picking the most angry and upset quotes and taking them out of context. Other times they created straw men from scratch. Not once did they ever address MGTOW's core: the right to opt out.

    They don't address our core because they can't. If they actually debated the real issue, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Duh! Of course we have the right to opt out. But the woketrash don't think we have human rights, since they don't even see us as human. According to them:


    • Men have no right to opt out of dating and marriage; any man who does that is judged a loser.
    • Men have no free speech rights, and especially have no right to express their pain. Any such expressions are warped by them into evil misogyny.
    • Women should never have to take responsibility for their own actions.


    According to them, if a woman gets knocked up by another man behind her husband's back, it's not a big deal. We see that as an ultimate act of betrayal. They see it as normal behavior. They're blinded by their instinct to seek supposedly better genes.

    The antis claim to be for human rights, but then they piss all over human rights. They piss on our right to opt out of a corrupt system and they piss on our right to express our feelings, especially when we express pain.

    They don't uphold our human rights because they don't see us as human. And they wonder why we don't want anything to do with them?
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    Re: the right to opt out is a basic human right

    Excellent post. People like to talk about "obligations" to society (usually as a justification to curtail personal liberty), but my position is this: I pay my taxes and I don't infringe on anyone else's freedom; I owe society NOTHING beyond that.

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    Re: the right to opt out is a basic human right

    Great read Tig but I have some opinions on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    Of course we have the right to opt out. But the woketrash don't think we have human rights, since they don't even see us as human. According to them:


    • Men have no right to opt out of dating and marriage; any man who does that is judged a loser.
    • Why do we discuss this and why do we even care? It's not like it will ever stop me from opting out, regardless of what the woketrash screeches about.
    • Men have no free speech rights, and especially have no right to express their pain. Any such expressions are warped by them into evil misogyny.
    • It seems to me that most MGTOW men choose to not speak at all. We just quietly walk off the plantation and watch it degenerate from a distance. Choosing to not say anything is free speech in my opinion.
    • Women should never have to take responsibility for their own actions.
    • It will backfire spectacularly on them but, again, I'm watching from a distance. In forums of the past, we discussed a lot about NFG. If you let them live rent free in your head, it will be a burden for you always. In the end, it doesn't matter what they say, things won't change for me.


    They don't uphold our human rights because they don't see us as human. We uphold our own human rights by exercising our opting out, regardless of their opinion.
    I'm not disagreeing with you Tig, I just don't see the reason why it affects you so much what those insufferable cunts think. I don't value their opinions and I don't care what drama they choose to surruond themselves with. In my opinion, it's just the last twitches of their miserable existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris007 View Post
    Great read Tig but I have some opinions on this.

    I'm not disagreeing with you Tig, I just don't see the reason why it affects you so much what those insufferable cunts think. I don't value their opinions and I don't care what drama they choose to surruond themselves with. In my opinion, it's just the last twitches of their miserable existence.
    It's not that the woketrash have hurt me so much. Women in relationships definitely have, and not one of them ever owned up to her own personal responsibility for the relationship. It was always all on me, and if anything went wrong, it was my fault.

    But the woketrash insults pretty much just bounce off me. I expect pure horseshit from their mouths. My concern is the young dudes out there who listen to their crap and believe it and thus live their lives ashamed of who they are. I'm a man, and I'll never be ashamed of that. I live my life assuming no obligations to the feminist trash. The demanded that women be set free from their gender roles, but demanded that men uphold theirs. We are still massively judged by how much money we make; we're still expected to bear the high costs of dating while women do it for free; we're still expected to be the ones to defend our country if attacked. They're super hypocritical.

    Yes, I find the feminists' words annoying, but I don't take any of their stupidity to heart anymore. However, their terrorism has massively hurt other men. Thanks to feminists' meddling in our legal system, there are men in prison for rapes they did not commit. The feminists have absurdly expanded the definition of rape. It's supposed to mean forcing someone to have sex against their will. The feminists have distorted that to include consensual sex while having consumed alcohol. A man and a woman both could go out and get drunk together and then out of their own free will and fully conscious choose to have sex together. But the feminists will brand that rape, and never mind that the man was drinking too. The original intent of the the law was to make sure that someone didn't use alcohol to INCAPACITATE someone and thus force her to have sex. If she's passed out drunk and he bangs her, that's rape. If she's wide awake and drunk and agreeing to the sex, that's NOT rape. That's two drunk people consenting to sex. Yet, there are men in prison for those situations. There are men who got kicked out of college over that. So, I haven't been so massively hurt by feminism, but other men certainly have. The goal of feminism is to convict as many men as possible of rape, and it doesn't matter if he's guilty or not. If he didn't actually rape someone, he may have thought about it, so he's guilty. Or he may have had drunken sex with consent with someone, and the nut job feminists have a problem with that. So the innocent men sitting in prison for bullshit rape accusations are really hurt by those sick cunts.

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    Re: the right to opt out is a basic human right

    Quote Originally Posted by WPL View Post
    Excellent post. People like to talk about "obligations" to society (usually as a justification to curtail personal liberty), but my position is this: I pay my taxes and I don't infringe on anyone else's freedom; I owe society NOTHING beyond that.
    Sure, there are some obligations that go along with rights. If you go out driving, you're obligated to have a legitimate license from whatever state you're from and to have your car registered and to have insurance. You're obligated to follow the rules of the road. In the USA, you can't decide you like how they do it in Great Britain and suddenly start driving on the left side of the road. You're not allowed to drag race through a school zone. You're obligated to follow these laws to protect other people.

    But getting married, paying for dates, paying to support a woman are not obligations. Those are all things that should only be done willingly. With the feminists making it such a rotten deal, they should not be surprised that we don't want to play ball. But they are. They still live in their fantasy that men have it easy and women are oppressed.

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    Re: the right to opt out is a basic human right

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    My concern is the young dudes out there who listen to their crap and believe it and thus live their lives ashamed of who they are.
    I hear what you're saying. I guess my view is skewed a bit by the fact that I'm 60 years old and that I have seen and experienced most of it. It has made me completely lose interest in anything the feminazis have to say. I have developed a strong sense of NFG and I'm happy to live my life on my terms, within the law.
    But you're right about trying to bring this to the forefront so the next generation of men can use our insight and learn from our mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris007 View Post
    I hear what you're saying. I guess my view is skewed a bit by the fact that I'm 60 years old and that I have seen and experienced most of it. It has made me completely lose interest in anything the feminazis have to say. I have developed a strong sense of NFG and I'm happy to live my life on my terms, within the law.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris007 View Post
    But you're right about trying to bring this to the forefront so the next generation of men can use our insight and learn from our mistakes.
    Yes, I'm nearly as old as you and so a lot of this shit doesn't affect me. There was already some rabid feminist bullshit when I was on college, but it wasn't as atrocious as it is today. The feminist bullshit affects young men much worse than it did us. I still see a tremendous value in a university education, when it's done right! The original goals were about making a well-rounded person who knew a lot about the world that he lived in. The primary goals were not even to find a great-paying job for a graduate. The goals were to learn about science, math, literature, art, music, etc. We want our citizens to understand that the Earth is a sphere that orbits the sun, and why this creates different seasons depending on where you are in the world. You may not end up in a profession that specifically uses that particular knowledge, but the learning of knowledge for the sake of knowing it is worth it. The goals of a university education included the ability to write well, and especially to be able to use logic and critical thinking. So many people today are totally devoid of any critical thinking abilities that it's shocking. This includes the feminists, and not just the feminists, but many others.

    When I was in college, I didn't have a single class that I didn't get extremely interested in. I studied my brains out, not to get into a specific profession, but because I loved the knowledge. I loved learning more and more, and making myself a better person day by day. This is why it makes me sad that so many men may choose to avoid college these days. You can't blame them. The feminists have made the university a hostile place for men. Even if a male student just avoided feminists, he would still be required to take some of their propaganda classes, and he could still get whimsically thrown out of college by some vindictive woman who dreamed up some story. It's sick that a university, the very place that should be open to different ideas and debate, should uphold feminist dogma. No man should ever get kicked out of college on an accusation alone. The universities should never handle alleged rape situations. If a woman student accuses a man of raping her, the only thing the university should do is refer the matter to the criminal justice system. They should NOT kick the man out of school. If she has a class with him, they should let her transfer or take an incomplete if she doesn't want to see him.

    I saved my notes that I took on the day my professor defined the goals of higher education. I still have those notes in a file. Here they are:

    The Goals of Higher Education
    1. Ability to think abstractly and perform critical analysis.
    2. Acquire literacy in writing, reading, speaking, and listening.
    3. Ability to understand numerical data.
    4. Having a sense of the past.
    5. Intellectually at ease with science.
    6. Acquire the capacity to make informed and moral choices.
    7. Appreciation of the arts.
    8. International and multicultural experiences.
    9. Study in depth.


    You'll notice none of these have anything to do with accepting feminist propaganda. Feminism is a terrorism movement that has infiltrated our universities. It's absurd that someone can major in feminist terrorism (euphemistically called “gender studies”).

    You'll also notice that none of the goals of higher education have anything to do with getting into a high-paid career. However, someone could go after the goals of higher education while simultaneously finding a good career. For example, someone could take a biology class and realize they're interested in pathology. Then after getting their baccalaureate degree, they'll go into some kind of program to study pathology, perhaps as a masters or Ph.D. program, or they could simply get a job in that field and do that company's studies.

    In short, I see such high value in a university education that it infuriates me that feminists are working to keep that from men. It doesn't mean I'm against trade schools. Trade schools can be a great choice to get someone into a lucrative and fulfilling profession. I also see no reason why someone couldn't do both. You could get your 4-year baccalaureate degree and then go onto a trade school to learn your profession. If that's too long, you could just get a 2-year associate's degree and then do trade school. I just don't want to see the value of a university education taken away from men.

    I've rambled on enough, but I think you get my drift.


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