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    The pay gap argument… again

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    Re: The pay gap argument… again

    #AllWomenLieAllTheTime

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    Re: The pay gap argument… again

    The public sector is a great example of why the pay gap is BS. Women and men get hired in the same classification. Their pay is set at a starting level, any pay raises are applied across the board to all the employees. Beyond that it's left to promotions and service time. Where a women might earn less than a man is if she takes time off to have a baby. I've seen women take upwards of 9 months off (far beyond the maternity leave allowance). At that point, they're on "leave without pay." Compared to man in the same classification who didn't take 9 months off, of course she earned less.

    Also, the pay gap that's most often quoted is based off wages across all positions across all industries. All it tells us is that more women in the labor force work lower paying jobs more often. To get an accurate picture, you have to do a "like for like" analysis. They won't like those results though, especially in the areas where women outearn men.

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    Feminists are demanding equal pay for less work. You might work the same job as a feminist, and you accept every bit of overtime offered to you. She, on the other hand, is always taking "mental health days." So you work 55 hours a week to her 33. And she thinks she deserves to be paid as much as you are.

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    Re: The pay gap argument… again

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    Feminists are demanding equal pay for less work. You might work the same job as a feminist, and you accept every bit of overtime offered to you. She, on the other hand, is always taking "mental health days." So you work 55 hours a week to her 33. And she thinks she deserves to be paid as much as you are.
    I'm with Bill Burr. If there is a pay gap (which there isn't), then let's consider it a surcharge for the BS of being men and being the victims of more violence, crimes, war, workplace deaths, protecting women, etc. After all, too many men are spending large portions of their money on women anyway. A lot of women have access not only to their own money but a man's as well.

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    If women were truly paid less than men for the same work performed all across the industries, I guarantee you that all industries would hire women exclusively because their payroll would be greatly reduced while maintaining the same output. It's capitalism 101, and there would be mandatory educational literature used in studies at all MBA classes at universities that would explain this to all aspiring CEO's out here.

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    I never understood either, until I read an article where again they worked against themselves. What they are doing with the argument is grouping all men together and then all women together and averaging out the overall pay.

    For eg if more women work as nurses, teachers, secretaries, child care or not work at all and more men work as Corporate managers, Doctor's, Lawyers, Computer programmers etc than those men drive up the average male pay cheque even though many men work lower income jobs.

    In short what these women want is for a woman who works those lower income jobs to get paid the same as a higher income earning man or for that matter woman. That is their idea of fair.

    I even read an article about getting more men to do traditional women's jobs would also even out the pay disparity! That is what they are talking about with all of this. As per usual Socialism doesn't want to lift people up, it wants to knock them down.

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    If they want to make the pay gap more "equal" the corporations will lower the pay for men to equal the low pay women get. It's unfair!
    It's a man's world and we need to take it by the throat and make it give us what we desire.

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    Re: The pay gap argument… again

    Quote Originally Posted by ResidentEvil7 View Post
    If they want to make the pay gap more "equal" the corporations will lower the pay for men to equal the low pay women get. It's unfair!
    Again, women are not getting lower pay than men for an equal position where the performance is on par. There's a law from the 60's that specifically forbid that. Women get paid less then men because they produce less. Lowering men's pay to the women's level will only accomplish that men would lower their productivity to match women's productivity. The corporations would lose out on that deal.

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    The pay gap is an incredibly persistent falsehood. I remember the claim coming up as far back as the mid 1980's. It was invalid then and remains so. Why does this lie have such staying power? I believe it appeals to women's emotional feeling about work. Unlike men, they are not conditioned from shortly after birth on the connection between hard work and reward. So, when women fled the housewife role into paying jobs from the 1960's forward, they were suddenly in a situation where reward is based on job choices, work history, and performance. And this is something they don't want to accept. They FEEL like they are working hard no matter what job they have and deserve to get high pay without going through the trials typical for men who want a high paying job. Princesses shouldn't have to work hard to get all their needs and desires met. They must be oppressed by something outside themselves, and men are of course the culprits. Rational understanding of the work reality is lacking.

    Based on their feeling about the situation, nonsense articles about pay gaps will always get women's attention and support, even though there is no valid analysis behind the conclusions. Women choose lower paying, less risky, more fun jobs with better working conditions. And when they are in jobs similar to men, they work fewer hours, take more sick leave, have more gaps in work history. All "pay gaps" are easily explained.

    They can keep griping until all men finally decide to go on strike and the system falls apart. Then we'll see how many women will stand up to take the really hard jobs.

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    Yes, there is a gender pay gap. It all depends on how you look at it. Over a life time, most men will earn more money than their female spouse will earn in her lifetime. And there is lots of good reasons why that will happen. If anyone wants all incomes to be the same that is a very strict form of communism. We all know how that works out. Jordan Peterson debate on the gender pay gap, campus protests and postmodernism - YouTube

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    Re: The pay gap argument… again

    That article is the newest attempt to wordsmith their way around the basic truths involved. Let's see how many dumb women it coalesces this time.

    The author is... wait for it... female.
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    Re: The pay gap argument… again

    I do know of a few wives that make much more than the husband and Hypergamy does not play.

    Young tradesman goes out and finds a girl takes her home and makes a mistake. DNA says it's his child. He is on a good wage and is paying lots. To cut his losses, he starts his own contracting company, and sets himself up as an employee and pays himself minimum wage. Profits stay in the company. Child support drops to the minimum. He then gets married to another girl and pays her a high wage... It all falls apart without him, the wife will make heaps more than the husband.

    Another one.... Wife figures she can do better, takes the kids and leaves with a branch swing up.... New boy friend not really interested in a ready made family and just wanted to milk another man's cow, so to speak....doesn't last... Husband does the same as the first example... Ex-family gets minimum amount of support. In time, new family does well with high paid 2nd wife...

    The government is trying to clamp down on this.

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    Re: The pay gap argument… again

    Quote Originally Posted by ResidentEvil7 View Post
    If they want to make the pay gap more "equal" the corporations will lower the pay for men to equal the low pay women get. It's unfair!
    Which is another point. If women really did earn less than men for doing the same work then why isn't business employing women as cheaper labor? You would think that would be a no brainer.

    Women also tend to make less over the same amount of time as men because women take time off for child rearing as well as studying. Men work consistently so that even a lower paid man ends up with more money simply because he doesn't take non paid breaks from working.

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    Re: The pay gap argument… again

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    Which is another point. If women really did earn less than men for doing the same work then why isn't business employing women as cheaper labor? You would think that would be a no brainer.

    Women also tend to make less over the same amount of time as men because women take time off for child rearing as well as studying. Men work consistently so that even a lower paid man ends up with more money simply because he doesn't take non paid breaks from working.
    Plus there's good ol' fashion "lady's health days." I've never known a man to take a few days off every month because they "don't feel good." I get that periods aren't fun, but still. Women aren't exactly conducive to an organization's productivity, are they?

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    Re: The pay gap argument… again

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    Which is another point. If women really did earn less than men for doing the same work then why isn't business employing women as cheaper labor? You would think that would be a no brainer.

    Women also tend to make less over the same amount of time as men because women take time off for child rearing as well as studying. Men work consistently so that even a lower paid man ends up with more money simply because he doesn't take non paid breaks from working.
    Women are generally over-paid now because of quotas that have been forced on companies and because companies need to virtue signal. And the opposite is now true, Men are generally under-paid for equal work.

    A fine example of women earning the same (in actual fact higher) for lesser work and quality is in women's tennis - In tennis, women play 3 sets instead of men's 5 sets. Why should the prize money be equal when women play 40% less sets than men?

    And the top women's tennis players cannot even beat an equivalent rank 200 man in tennis, with both Williams sisters losing (source: How to... beat both Williams sisters in one afternoon | Sport | The Observer (theguardian.com), in fact, the Williams sisters lost to a guy who within a week fell to the 350th in men's tennis rankings. So Women are being paid number one rank money for rank 350th performance. That's higher pay for lesser quality. And when they play less 40% less sets, that's higher pay for less work.

    Another fine example of this is with Google - In 2017, Google came under pressure and were being sued for supposedly under-paying women. So the company was forced to complete an extremely thorough study across their workforce, drilling down to tenure, location, performance ratings, you name it, they did it.
    Yes, it was found that they were under-paying, but it wasn't the women who were generally under-paid (surprise!), it was the Men. Google had to adjust upwards for some 10,000 employees, the majority of whom were men.

    Sources:
    Lawsuit against Google supposedly for UNDERPAYING women: Google Pays Female Workers Less Than Male Counterparts, Labor Department Says - WSJ
    Google found the opposite - men were UNDERPAID: Google pay equity analysis leads to raises for thousands of men | Ars Technica

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    Re: The pay gap argument… again

    Let's face it.. The "pay gap" is a full-on HOAX at this point. Women (at least the Top-End Feminists) aren't stupid. They know it's Untrue... and they know it serves their purposes and gets them donations. So they perpetrate this, because MONEY.

    The simple fact is, that sociopaths and psychopaths KNOW that there is hard money (also sex) to be gained by becoming an Outspoken Champion of a popular movement. It's the same old Televangelist-Scam, just for a new generation of adoring followers. You can change up the gods and ideologies, and it all pays the same.

    We've seen this in the Manosphere ourselves, as Yogi Yoabs (a rather unsuccessful PUA) starting making MGTOW videos, earned a following, and then slowly moved back to shilling his PUA nonsense... Look up Undead Chronic's takedowns of this particular grifter...

    So yeah.. the Wage Gap is a hoax that will carry-on for another 50 years... Nothing changes, but the Names for it.

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    As always with the pay gap, I ask: "Ok, what would you like we men to do about it? Would you like us to make it illegal to pay someone less for being a woman? It already is!!!".

    Fuck, man. What do they actually want? Silly question: free money. Now that they don't have husbands anymore, then expect an employer, or the government, to act as money spigot. It's just not in their nature to feel they have to earn it.

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    Re: The pay gap argument… again

    Quote Originally Posted by Toolband89 View Post
    Plus there's good ol' fashion "lady's health days." I've never known a man to take a few days off every month because they "don't feel good." I get that periods aren't fun, but still. Women aren't exactly conducive to an organization's productivity, are they?
    The big one is just fucking off for a year to have a kid, and then the employer has to take you back in the same position. Meanwhile, someone else has been subbing for a year. What are they supposed to do?

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    Re: The pay gap argument… again

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    The big one is just fucking off for a year to have a kid, and then the employer has to take you back in the same position. Meanwhile, someone else has been subbing for a year. What are they supposed to do?
    When I worked in the public sector, we had one girl who had 3 kids in a row. Had one kid, took 11 months off. Came back for a month. Got pregnant, took weeks off at a time. Took another year off. Came back for a month and a half, got knocked up again, repeated the cycle again. All in all, she may have worked about 6 months in all that time. Her work was redistributed. Complete waste of a position.

    Every guy I worked with took at most 1 month of bonding leave when their kid was born.


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