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    The INCEL Issue;

    The INCEL is usually described with extremely negative terms. However, I feel the negative traits are either wrongly attributed to the Incel, or a symptom of a deeper root problem.

    For example, most people think INCELs are fat, or unhygienic, or entitled. But that is not involuntary celibate, instead that seems more to be a form of voluntary celibate as the subject in question does not take measures to clean up his act, so to speak.

    For the average to fair looking man who is genuinely nice, well-attired, and mannered yet consistently rejected by women. What is the reason that such men are so wholly overlooked by women? By answering this question, it is possible to help INCELs get out of this state of mind and push them towards MGTOW, or a relationship if they are so unfortunately inclined.

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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    Dude , too late .

    Even way above average guys have zero chances .

    You only become incel if you are really hopeless .

    And i mean even very ok guys have zero chances to pull a not hopeless girl . Pulling hopeless girl doesnt count .

    With all that said pulling even hopeless girl is quite a task at hand .

    So one is better off just forgetting it all together and enjoy his life .
    You cant keep a player down!
    Dont hate him , hate your fuking bullshit game !

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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    The current hoo-hah about incels is a fine example of what Vox Day calls "point and shriek", step 1 of the usual SJW beat-down.

    They are desperate to find an easy target to hate. Gamers turned out to be a tougher mark than they expected.

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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    The current hoo-hah about incels is a fine example of what Vox Day calls "point and shriek", step 1 of the usual SJW beat-down.

    They are desperate to find an easy target to hate. Gamers turned out to be a tougher mark than they expected.
    Love that term. Makes me want to put that order in for my pod!

    Incels are a very easy target because who hasn't held them in contempt at one time? (confess)

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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    Incel is, simply put, a male who refuses to pay for sex. Anyone with $200 in their pocket is not an incel - they refuse to pay for sex.
    What they don't realize is that ALL men pay for sex, in one way or another.

    "Married man sex" is the most expensive kind of all.
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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    Incels have to stop caring what others think.

    Why does it matter what others think about their personal life? That is something women obsess over and most broadcast to gain support from their female peer group.

    I think why other men look down on other men sharing such personal things in life is because the expectation of males growing up as kids into adults is that you take care of business. As a man you have agency, control and the ability to think through problems. And thinking through these problems you must make tough decisions as a man on your own.

    No man can give you the blueprint on how to go your own way. It is a personal self discovery which is implied by blue pill men and explicitly said by red pill men. MGTOW not only explicitly say this but actually lead such a life.

    Caring about what others think about you as a person is one giant societal fitness test aka shit test.


    It is all about personal and internal self esteem to build that fire and the sheer will to do what satisfies you from within. If you don't have that fire in the belly to do as you wish as a man then society will tell you how to act, think, dress and behave. That is the default state of women where their peer pressure group herd mentality keeps them prisoner forever and ever.

    It doesn't matter why women overlook these men, because even the so called alphas are often overlooked or stomped over by women regardless of their status. The difference is the "alpha" doesn't care when it eventually happens like a ticking time bomb and they should just go on with their life as if that woman didn't exist.

    It is not a matter IF a woman will be bored of you as some point but when.....

    For example an incel man finally lands a woman to be in a relationship with. Great. What is next?

    Exactly..it is a dead end.

    If that incel man receives good value of intimacy and experience with a woman that is fine. But there is no mystery or magic behind being in a relationship with a woman.

    The fantasy doesn't match up with reality. Nope.

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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    Quote Originally Posted by chbedok View Post
    For the average to fair looking man who is genuinely nice, well-attired, and mannered yet consistently rejected by women. What is the reason that such men are so wholly overlooked by women? By answering this question, it is possible to help INCELs get out of this state of mind and push them towards MGTOW, or a relationship if they are so unfortunately inclined.
    more profitable would be to show that women regard them in the "eighty percenters", and are irrelevant to them....
    it would hurt less if we tell them that rather than them finding out the hard way.....
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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    The fact most MGTOW men don't think twice about using a femocentric/white knight manufactured term like 'INCEL' just shows that the brainwashing is very hard to get rid of.

    So called 'incels' are just mentally unstable men. There are plenty of unstable women who have the same view of men as 'incels' do of women. Yet nobody, neither on this forum nor in the wider society has come up with a derogatory terms for them?

    We really need to think about where our priorities lie if we are ever to empower men in the modern western society dominated by a culture of hyper white knightery and gynocentrism.

    It's like someone who considers himself MGTOW, but would beat the fuck out of a teenage boy for asking his teenage daughter out.

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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    The fact most MGTOW men don't think twice about using a femocentric/white knight manufactured term like 'INCEL' just shows that the brainwashing is very hard to get rid of.

    So called 'incels' are just mentally unstable men. There are plenty of unstable women who have the same view of men as 'incels' do of women. Yet nobody, neither on this forum nor in the wider society has come up with a derogatory terms for them?

    We really need to think about where our priorities lie if we are ever to empower men in the modern western society dominated by a culture of hyper white knightery and gynocentrism.

    It's like someone who considers himself MGTOW, but would beat the fuck out of a teenage boy for asking his teenage daughter out.
    I am going to have to disagree with you on this one but I will try to elaborate as I best I can. The word incel is used to accurately describe what incel men want to be identified as because they wear it as a badge to show their current victimhood state. This is because incel men value women more than their on self worth and their own masculinity. In other words, they are blue pill with the fantasy portion, but without being able to live out the blue pill fantasy of a wife, 2.0 kids and 1.5 pets. It does not make these men unstable as they are normal men with strong desire for intimacy, love, sexual arousal, and yearning to be accepted. That is something all human beings crave and on some level all men would prefer to have such intimacy where they can trust a woman. But as mgtow we know the pitfalls of that desire but we do acknowledge it does exist. Incels refuse to acknowledge the pitfalls and prefer to put themselves down instead of raising their own self esteem to consider themselves complete without a woman.

    The belief within incel circles is that their current situation is involuntary celibacy. As mgtow we know the truth as there is actually choice for men, but there are trade offs or opportunity costs with said choices. Choices for men are to be celibate aka monk mode/ghost, pay 2 play or to hookup. Now, the problem with incels is they refuse to look at the risks, trade offs, etc. and focus too much on the fantasy.

    The word incel is not viewed derogatory within the incel community but it is actually viewed as derogatory outside the incel community. This is because outside the incel community there is an implicit understanding that men have agency and control of their own destiny. Schools, mass media, teachers, parents, etc try to hide this from young males but it is self evident as males are left to fend for themselves. And as a result these young males realize that they can shape the world with said choices at an early age. Incels view their current situations as something forced upon them and there is nothing they can do to change that 'choice" forced upon them. Blue pill society will view these men as weak as that is a clear cut fitness or shit test. What MGTOW realize that the best choice is to walk away from a bad deal. Incels don't realize it is bad deal and it is not forced upon any man as he can clearly walk away. Go your own way.

    As for women having the same views about men as incel men have about women that isn't true at all. Incel focus is on intimacy and love while woman will view men as hordogs thinking about sex all the time.

    Erase everything you have been taught by mass media. Mass media portrays men as the sex horndogs while women crave sunshine and lollipops love. Reality is men crave love/intimacy far more than women and women crave sex far more than men.

    That is why women on average have higher sexual partners while men prefer to be in a lasting relationship where they can trust a woman.
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    Sure there are exceptions where a man will pump and dump and a woman wants a single life partner but those are the outliers. Mass media tries to sell these outliers as being the default state or standard for men and women.
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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    We are all born alone, and we all die alone. At a certain point, a man has to learn life’s lessons alone. Being an INCEL is a choice, if a man doesn’t figure that on his own, well then he sinks instead of swims...Survival of the fittest is real...

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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    Well,I dont know if there are any studies on this subject, but I believe many of todays incels,are brought up in a broken home, by a single mother; sadly.No male role model to look up to, and we all know women cant teach boys to be men; only feminists believe in that hypocrisy! Just look at the prison inmates in the US;more than 70% grew up without a father.I assume the statistics is almost the same in other countries around the world.

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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    Quote Originally Posted by Eskorteprinsen View Post
    Well,I dont know if there are any studies on this subject, but I believe many of todays incels,are brought up in a broken home, by a single mother; sadly.No male role model to look up to, and we all know women cant teach boys to be men; only feminists believe in that hypocrisy! Just look at the prison inmates in the US;more than 70% grew up without a father.I assume the statistics is almost the same in other countries around the world.
    The only difference that guys in prison never had problems pulling women
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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    The incels were the average guys getting friend zoned by women in their classes. A certain percent were getting laid by girls in their own league of looks, but now with the 'branch program for women' but lets call it 'online dating' - more women have access to above average men, so the bottom 60% are being passed a side. Every single man has taken a dip in sexual market value by at least 3-4 points depending on your looks.

    You can blame white feminist journalists for this one, cosmopolitian magazines telling women they can 'do' better, playing victim to culture which means our entire society is now set up for the 'confidence' of women. They have really done a good job with the crocodile tears in getting priviledge, a kind of priviledge the world has never seen before. If a woman ever fails at something it is because the 'system' was against her and not because she just did not work hard enough.

    I feel bad for incels because nowadays they can't even become PUAS because the media has branded all guys who want to improve with women as rapists and charles manson. They're too dumb to realise that they are leading them to the real charles manson on online dating. Ted Bundy was a good looking guy, but it seems only the bad looking guys are creeps nowadays. You'll be surprised that MORE men from online dating have slaughtered women than any PUAs have.

    Brandon Rogers was just a victim to culture. Women are very two-faced and their own internal philosophies counter each other. I am a believer in that you can be rich, but if you're not good looking don't expect to get anywhere.

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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    The fact most MGTOW men don't think twice about using a femocentric/white knight manufactured term like 'INCEL' just shows that the brainwashing is very hard to get rid of.

    So called 'incels' are just mentally unstable men. There are plenty of unstable women who have the same view of men as 'incels' do of women. Yet nobody, neither on this forum nor in the wider society has come up with a derogatory terms for them?

    We really need to think about where our priorities lie if we are ever to empower men in the modern western society dominated by a culture of hyper white knightery and gynocentrism.

    It's like someone who considers himself MGTOW, but would beat the fuck out of a teenage boy for asking his teenage daughter out.
    Oh i kinda didnt think about it .

    In my book an incel is someone who actively tries to pull girls and fails all of the time .

    P4P doesnt count as pulling in my book .


    PS. I grew up in a culture where actively pursuing a girl was just wrong . But what i later seen from USA kids was that they would ask out every girl in their eye sight .

    Of course the bitches grew up thinking their turds dont stink .
    You cant keep a player down!
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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    The INCEL term goes back a few years. It started out as being called 'love shy' but that was a misnomer. Some guys have issues that have a lot in common with being on the spectrum a little.

    Social cues and non-verbal communication that are second nature to females are a problem for them. They are usually very pragmatic and direct in their thinking and just plain don't know how to flirt, or don't react right to being flirted with.

    Any guy who is like that can read a standard PUA book and get the gist of what he has been doing wrong. Letting go of all the potential outcomes, including the risk of rejection, is also vastly important.

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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    Incel technically is a series of physical features. Incels almost usually have big noses with a wide jaw circumferance. With a head that almost as if the nose was a point is pointing outwards. If you look at a lot of incels they all have these features. Even that Rogers guy had it. If you look on google you will see some images.

    Basically an incel is anyone who is in the bottom 20%. No one used to be an incel because pre-dating online the ugly chicks went with ugly dudes etc there was a pecking order.

    Now ugly chicks go for chads and ugly guys get nothing. They go through about 1000 realisations before they swallow the black pill.

    The problem isn't with incels its the west. If they just moved to asia where they dont know how good looking you arer - problem solved.

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    Mgtows aren't incels and will never be as pathetic as them!!! MGTOWS UNITE!

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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    Quote Originally Posted by ShogunRonin View Post
    I feel bad for incels because nowadays they can't even become PUAS because the media has branded all guys who want to improve with women as rapists and Charles Manson. They're too dumb to realize that they are leading them to the real Charles Manson on online dating. Ted Bundy was a good looking guy, but it seems only the bad looking guys are creeps nowadays. You'll be surprised that MORE men from online dating have slaughtered women than any PUAs have.
    the key word is "involuntary"....
    thing is.. I dont even try swinger sites much less PUAs....
    seems in that crowd, there is an unspoken bias against single straight men... in fact, it seems that the only singles who get anywhere in that crowd are bisexual women...

    main thing I cant stomach is this... I can take being rejected in and of itself... but not in advance of the fact.. and the thing that makes my blood boil is that it appears that my experience is flying in the face of the laws of simple probability....
    (every time I'm turned down, I find myself asking "what are the odds???")
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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    Quote Originally Posted by ShogunRonin View Post
    The incels were the average guys getting friend zoned by women in their classes. A certain percent were getting laid by girls in their own league of looks, but now with the 'branch program for women' but lets call it 'online dating' - more women have access to above average men, so the bottom 60% are being passed a side. Every single man has taken a dip in sexual market value by at least 3-4 points depending on your looks.
    I don't know if it's 3-4 points but it's sure as hell 2 or more, and that's not including the fact that ALL 80% men who refuse to accept "fat acceptance" are reducing their dating pool size by 10 or 20 times. But you're exactly right: Tinder and trading "easy to get" sex to bed high-status men has definitely turned the mating area upside down, and the lower down you are in the 80% realm, the worse it is.

    But there's a flip side to that coin... Women are miserable because they get a smorgasbord of high-value cock, but none of this cock will commit. Women do not appraise themselves objectively - the appraise themselves by the value of the men (and women) around them. (This is why there is so much infighting in female social peer groups - they're all jostling for the highest social standing within that group.) So, when a woman beds a high-value man using promiscuity, she IMMEDIATELY believes she too is a high value person. But, she can't get any one Chad to commit, and she's angry that "men are pigs". But when she uses the term "men" she's only referring to the top 20% (or even 10%) of all men. 80% men are invisible to these women. Average women. Fat women. Career women (big fucking deal - I've had a career for 30+ years and nobody gives ME a medal for it!).

    When I see the expectation lists of not just average women but women who are practically losers themselves I just have a good laugh.

    When I see men in the mating arena buying these narcissistic thots dinner while these men are getting vetted by women 2 or 3 points below their own SMV, I don't know whether to laugh or actually feel sorry for them.
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    Re: The INCEL Issue;

    As for women having the same views about men as incel men have about women that isn't true at all. Incel focus is on intimacy and love while woman will view men as hordogs thinking about sex all the time.
    This is a truism.
    There are plenty of woman who are looking for companionship and a decent man to be with. Of course, that doesn't mean they deserve it, or that they have 100% pure intuitions. Such women probably treat men like absolute shit in their younger years and once they are older and their good looks fade; they begin to 'appreciate' men.

    But some do begin (eventually get it through their dumb head) that majority of men are just decent human beings who have feelings, worries and vulnerabilities.

    The main crux of my argument is that we need to be extremely careful about what is empowering and what is disempowering when it comes to terminology/language we use.

    Even if there is such a community as INCELS, we do not need to talk about it or even mention it. We can just ignore it and if someone brings it up, we can pretend we don't understand. We have nothing to do with it, and we don't want our attention to even be taken up by such topics.

    We are mgtow and that is enough. We don't bother woman and we don't want women to bother us, that is good enough and we happy that way.

    It's like when white knights, SJW's and femicunts talk about false accusations of rape. We know that such accusation are 99.99% of the time total lies and rubbish and most likely just an unsatisfying sexual encounter. And yet, even within the manosphere, there are some men who, when challenged on the subject say something along the lines of 'well it's a terrible thing to happen' 'well I feel sorry for such women but...' 'Well, that must be a terrible thing to go through but...'.

    Can you see a pattern? It can and often is a form of placating the gynocracy.


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