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    The Brilliance of MGTOW

    I've been thinking a lot about what MGTOW is for me. What it really is and what it offers. The Brilliance of MGTOW is that it offers each of us something different and unique. MGTOW is the life raft, and the boat. It saves, and yet it drives - inner peace, knowledge, community, and an impact that only the future can see. I can only speak for myself here, but I hope this message can resonate with you in some way.

    The backbone of MGTOW is the mind - human nature, female nature, evolutionary psychology, and such. Not only do we understand female nature, but being MGTOW, you have to understand your own. You have to understand the dangers your nature can bring you towards, the instincts that blind humanity. The ideology is very informative and critical because it teaches us things that society never would. And once you start getting more and more into the knowledge, things start adding together like puzzle pieces; you start to see things you never saw before, or rather what you didn't want to see before in some cases. You start to understand why good men are generally treated with resent from women. But it goes way beyond women, MGTOW knowledge will assist you in your every breath until your last one. We start to understand things for what they are, but never giving in to what it wants from us. Ultimately being your soul. We are told from birth what "success" is. You need the hottest women, the fanciest sports cars, the biggest house, the best jewelry, the biggest wallet........or else you are a "failure". We are told to consume all of these material things until they consume us. And oh man, does our culture consume us. The powers that be play into our own nature. We are told to chase these endless, suicidal pursuits because it appeases our own nature. Men have the instinct to gain status, wealth, material, and therefore women at whatever cost to oneself because that's the process to attract women to pass on our genes. Briffault's law, and hypergamy (female nature) pushes this deadly cycle into full acceleration. It is as though the male nature and female nature collide to form a massive, destructive tornado taking everything in its path including your house. When "success" is achieved, an empty void remains within each mind because it will never be enough. This is why celebrities and millionaires, "the people with everything", still commit suicide. People will always want more, but most will never consider why they cannot find peace and satisfaction in life after they achieved what they thought was all they needed. What they were told to achieve. They were fed clouds; a meal with no substance. That is a shame, if only they looked from within. If they arrive at MGTOW, they still can. MGTOW for me, is enough. My inner peace, my happiness, my soul, is enough. Because none of these other distractions that are pushed upon us ever will be.

    When all of these things are thrown at us, when we are sinking to the sky (The American Dream, right?), what other way is there other than MGTOW? We are disposable. Traditionalism has been destroyed by the same evil that is destroying the west. Values and morals are forgotten. The masses listen to music with no meaning other than toxicity and hate, the media lies and lies and manipulates, corporations and institutions spread their wokeness and people believe it is genuine and beneficial, people don't care much for introspection as they would rather frantically search for a reason to protest and cause havoc in the streets and spread vitriol for the sake of it, for the sake of organizations that don't care about them. Big Tech companies silence and censor the public as different ideas are no longer allowed. The middle class is being destroyed. People care more about their Facebook page than the homeless man at the street corner. People care more for animals than they do others. People with good intentions and morals are rejected in a society such as this. Technology is getting better, but life is getting worse. Women and men have resorted back to their cave instincts because the culture has changed to deem it fit once again: It is easiest to control those who have been reduced into emotional primates. Hypergamy, pride, and greed spreads rampant, things are seen only at the outside instead of the inside. And then people wonder why men go MGTOW. There is nothing here for us. MGTOW is self-preservation. MGTOW saves lives, I know it saved mine.

    MGTOW in a way is taking action by doing nothing. But that nothing is everything. Men are treated horribly, but keep countries going. We have considerable power and going MGTOW is a recognition of this. As MGTOW spreads, significant changes will occur in society that will no longer be able to be ignored. Leaving the game entirely is a strategic move, because the game relies on us playing it. When you go your own way, the game gets angry. When feminists go their own way, they are applauded. So what's really going on here? Isn't it funny how feminists hate MGTOW too - they want all the power and benefits in society but none of the burdens such as getting drafted into a battlefield. We are essentially living through a gynocentric coup. MGTOW has found a hidden double standard(s) that we should continue to use to our advantage. The culture needs you to swallow the narrative, but what if you don't need it? What if all you need is you? MGTOW is truth and enlightenment. Freedom. Realize your own validation. Realize your self worth. Mgtown is open when they are ready to arrive, as we once did. This is how we all win. The Brilliance of MGTOW.

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    Re: The Brilliance of MGTOW

    It is a very self-defined lifestyle. You choose how you want to implement the framework.

    Franky I look at it as escaping "snow globes". I used to call them "religions", that they are, but religious people from actual religions get mad at me, so now they're "snow globes". A snow globe is just a little bubble of ideology as you were describing. If you think your goal in life is to get rich, get expensive cards, and expensive women, more power to you, but escaping one's snow globe of ideology is very very difficult. Much like a religion.

    People who think women are trophies, or that fucking / owning one makes you a man, are trapped in a snow globe of unreality.

    Trad cucks who think you need to worship women on a pedestal and lick their shoes (yes all trad cucks) are trapped in their own little snow globes, and seem to act the most confused when their unicorn virgin cheats on them and divorces them.

    Snowglobes are very dangerous things. Nihilism breaks them open so you can be free.

    #ResistSnowGlobes

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    Re: The Brilliance of MGTOW

    Welcome, Project. Very good post. A man that is yet to realize he's a fodder in this gynocentric society is a slave. The disintegration of American civilization is approaching its nadir. My prediction is that the next two decades are going to be very grim. MGTOW has shaped my life in a way I'm forever grateful. I found the life of minimalism to be very satisfying and I've been able to suckle on life's most beautiful gifts. Like Lope De Vega said, "with a few flowers in my garden, half a dozen pictures and some books, I live without envy."
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    Re: The Brilliance of MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by ProjectAtEvansGate View Post
    I've been thinking a lot about what MGTOW is for me. What it really is and what it offers. The Brilliance of MGTOW is that it offers each of us something different and unique. MGTOW is the life raft, and the boat. It saves, and yet it drives - inner peace, knowledge, community, and an impact that only the future can see.
    Welcome! I read your first post and was looking forward to more such posts from you and you did not disappoint.

    I wish I had been exposed to the red-pill and MGTOW philosophy at your age. I think it would have saved me a lot of trouble. Back then, red-pill truths were hardly circulated. Now, red-pill bombs and snippets of MGTOW philosophy are popping up everywhere, especially in social media comments, and despite concerted efforts by the media to censor and de-platform those who speak for it.

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    Desire, as they say, is the root of all suffer-ring. Social conditioning is an incredibly powerful and damaging force. I got rid of my TV subscriptions in 2010 and use ABP to avoid ads (which works shockingly well). As it's sheer poison, gaslighting and malignant social brainwashing, I no longer consume any mainstream news and watch only a tiny fraction of movies and TV shows, which are almost entirely reruns of older comedy shows. I buy only what benefits me greatly and that which I'll use every day, which means I buy very little. I have no qualms over dropping $1000s on something I really enjoy, like my computer and flight sims. My weekly grocery bill is only $45-$55. Each breakfast, lunch and dinner is < $1.50, nutritious and home made. I almost never eat out. I no longer drink alcohol. I wear all of my clothes until they fall apart. I no longer own a suit. I drive a low mileage 18 year old pickup that runs on ethanol, which costs me $1.94 per gallon. I don't date and have zero interest in having women in my life. The fact that they might hate someone like me is a real blessing in disguise. Not many things worry me more than a woman that suddenly shows interest. My standard response in such situations is, "I'm dysfunctional, highly introverted and reclusive. You don't want any of this. Trust me, I'm doing you a favor."

    Thanks to MGTOW, I figured it all out. Because of MGTOW, I'm a far wiser and happier man. MGTOW is the way. My rose colored glasses are broken. The Matriarchal Matrix has been revealed. The false illusions and enchantments have all fallen down. The Red Pill cured all of my ills and then some.

    Tradcucks and feminists all want exactly the same thing; men living on bended knee as human slaves and human sacrifices of women and their state pimps/violence proxy/surrogate husbandry/sugar daddy. Fuck That. Not this learned man. If all women went lesbo tomorrow, I'd be an even happier man than I already am.

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    Re: The Brilliance of MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by MannSplainer View Post
    Desire, as they say, is the root of all suffer-ring. Social conditioning is an incredibly powerful and damaging force. I got rid of my TV subscriptions in 2010 and use ABP to avoid ads (which works shockingly well). As it's sheer poison, gaslighting and malignant social brainwashing, I no longer consume any mainstream news and watch only a tiny fraction of movies and TV shows, which are almost entirely reruns of older comedy shows. I buy only what benefits me greatly and that which I'll use every day, which means I buy very little. I have no qualms over dropping $1000s on something I really enjoy, like my computer and flight sims. My weekly grocery bill is only $45-$55. Each breakfast, lunch and dinner is < $1.50, nutritious and home made. I almost never eat out. I no longer drink alcohol. I wear all of my clothes until they fall apart. I no longer own a suit. I drive a low mileage 18 year old pickup that runs on ethanol, which costs me $1.94 per gallon. I don't date and have zero interest in having women in my life. The fact that they might hate someone like me is a real blessing in disguise. Not many things worry me more than a woman that suddenly shows interest. My standard response in such situations is, "I'm dysfunctional, highly introverted and reclusive. You don't want any of this. Trust me, I'm doing you a favor."

    Thanks to MGTOW, I figured it all out. Because of MGTOW, I'm a far wiser and happier man. MGTOW is the way. My rose colored glasses are broken. The Matriarchal Matrix has been revealed. The false illusions and enchantments have all fallen down. The Red Pill cured all of my ills and then some.

    Tradcucks and feminists all want exactly the same thing; men living on bended knee as human slaves and human sacrifices of women and their state pimps/violence proxy/surrogate husbandry/sugar daddy. Fuck That. Not this learned man. If all women went lesbo tomorrow, I'd be an even happier man than I already am.
    I watched Gauntlet with Clint Eastwood last night, I spotted the cucklery, female domination, and whore worthy of wife, that I hadn't really considered the last time I watched it. It was dated 1977 when feminism became vintage like a 12 year old bottle of rotgut!

    The cleansing of our minds are a mutual journey where we continually scrub social conditioning, social pressure, strongarm overreach, and done so far as to the point of a gun, saying go ahead, pull the trigger, I'm not yours to own and operate as you see fit! I rather DIE than surrender!

    I used to get everything on two different geostationary satellites using FTA programmable satellite receiver and satellite card cracking and rewriting hardware/software.

    I got so fucking sick of it, I trashed everything in 2005 and never went back! All I have left from that era is a lifetime subscription to Sirius.XM No more cleaning the snow and ice off the satellite dishes! When I get the time I'm gonna turn them into a spy audio amplifier, and solar cooker!

    I had a nervous breakdown that lead to the rewiring of my head! No more pleasing anyone else at the cost of personal misery!

    I spent a solid 6 months tearing the preverbal wires from my head, then 5 years of healing and buttressing new and better neuropathways that eventually became neuro-highways, in fact, an entire interstate highway system! One that doesn't allow female operators!

    I can totally relate to any man that took the same measures! There's a commonality between hardcore MGTOW in that we've denied social conditioning in every pervasive form it takes!

    There's snakes in the garden, only a fool doesn't pay attention, as for me, I'm equipped with a flame thrower and no blade of grass goes unburnt! I'll not be made to live with snakes!

    MGTOW isn't my primary philosophy, it's more a subroutine, my primary philosophy is truth in what ever lie poised to befuddle me! MGTOW is just a condensation trail to much more intricate workings!

    There's only enough room for one on top of the world! Anything else is loose rocks from above hitting your head!

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    Re: The Brilliance of MGTOW

    I was a confirmed bachelor long before I encountered MGTOW, but I was happy to find it for three reasons:

    1. It includes "red pill" truths about women's nature and behavior that I hadn't considered. That helped to dissolve some remaining fantasies I had about love and romance.

    2. It's the only part of the 'manosphere' that doesn't prioritize validation from women. Everything else -- from standard red pill stuff to PUA or dating coaches -- is all aimed at getting you women (either into bed or a relationship). MGTOW is the only approach that says, "Nah, I'm not interested in pursuing that, and here's why."

    3. It is a community of guys who validate each others' perspective, in a world that otherwise ignores or contradicts it. That helps men going solo feel less isolated or defective.

    p.s. I forgot one.

    4. Prior to MGTOW, I was unable to find any communities of men who were happily single. All the "happily single" forums were populated by women, most of whom were feminists. Not a friendly community for a man to speak openly in. MGTOW is the first such place I found, where men who were happily single could talk about their reasons.
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    Re: The Brilliance of MGTOW

    A lot of people (even us) want to draw a lot of straight lines between MGTOW and FDS, they're basically the same, they're equally bad (or equally good, for that matter), blah blah blah.

    The only way I've ever wanted to compare MGTOW to FDS is from the standpoint that they illustrate the core and undeniable truths of both sexes.

    Men are capable of functioning independently and not only surviving, but probably thriving as a result. Upon discovering this, MGTOW's have publicized their successes, which encouraged other men to follow a similar path. MGTOW exemplifies the truth of men and it benefits men.

    FDS is hypergamy on steroids cranked up to 11 until your ears bleed. Also, FDS plays into the competition that women already have with each other. FDS encourages all women (including the mediocre to nasty ones) to seek out only the very best men. The tallest, the richest, the most jacked, etc. The women nonstop compete with each other for access to the scarce availability of top tier men. Each woman gets progressively less than her immediate predecessor because these men realize they don't have to offer as much to women in order to get what they want. FDS exemplifies the truth of women and it harms women.

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    Re: The Brilliance of MGTOW

    Wouldn't FDS be more equivalent to PUA? I don't see the parallel to MGTOW.

    PUA is how to play the dating/seduction game from the crude male perspective.

    FDS is how to play the dating/seduction game from the crude female perspective.

    MGTOW is opting out of the game. (at least MGTOW monk)

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    Re: The Brilliance of MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell View Post
    Wouldn't FDS be more equivalent to PUA? I don't see the parallel to MGTOW.

    PUA is how to play the dating/seduction game from the crude male perspective.

    FDS is how to play the dating/seduction game from the crude female perspective.

    MGTOW is opting out of the game. (at least MGTOW monk)
    FDS and MGTOW have zero to do with each other. Anyone pretending they do doesn't have a clue what they're talking about.

    FDS is a dating strategy to maximize female gain in relationships, just like RP or PUA does.

    It's just as dumb as saying MGTOW is like feminism, which it absolutely isn't. The entire argument ignores what MGTOW and feminisms goals and actions are and just looks at "well they say mean things". Which shows how ignorant they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell View Post
    Wouldn't FDS be more equivalent to PUA? I don't see the parallel to MGTOW.

    PUA is how to play the dating/seduction game from the crude male perspective.

    FDS is how to play the dating/seduction game from the crude female perspective.

    MGTOW is opting out of the game. (at least MGTOW monk)
    The comparison between FDS and MGTOW comes from the concept of each sex vying for their best life. Even if you don't see the comparison, people who are neither MGTOW nor FDS do see the comparison.

    In any case, the point stands. I framed the limited amount of connective tissue I see between the two camps. MGTOW legitimately does benefit men. But it's pretty hard to argue that FDS benefits women since it requires women to compete against each other for already limited choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwenWentFullMGTOW View Post
    The comparison between FDS and MGTOW comes from the concept of each sex vying for their best life. Even if you don't see the comparison, people who are neither MGTOW nor FDS do see the comparison.

    In any case, the point stands. I framed the limited amount of connective tissue I see between the two camps. MGTOW legitimately does benefit men. But it's pretty hard to argue that FDS benefits women since it requires women to compete against each other for already limited choices.
    Yeah, the two do have some things in common. They both complain about the opposite sex, quite a bit, but I think for MGTOW it's alot more like alcoholics talking about alcohol. We have a need for something that destroys our lives. Though at least we're aware that abstinence is the key.

    And I do think it's funny, how we focus on building a good life while single, and FDS's entire focus is parasitic. For them, the key is finding a High-Value (rich) man and divesting him of his resources. For that reason I'd say we are definitely better off, because at least what we want is actually achievable. It's FEASIBLE. Not always easy, but absolutely possible. FDS's goal depends entirely on the pushing someone else to enter coerced labor (marriage). And no matter what happens, those who focus and prepare for self-sufficiency are going to be better off. If things stay good, we do great. And if things go bad (which, if you've been watching the news at all, are well on the way) then at least we'll be able to survive, and possibly even thrive.

    It's part of why I chose to live so close to the ground, in a mobile structure that I own. I'll never be without shelter or food again. Even when catching the flu completely fucked me over financially precisely at rent time, I had shelter and two months worth of goods stored up. A good reputation with the landlords ensured that I got an extension on rent, in a place that is (by necessity) setup to evict after one week. I barely touched my preps. How many others can say that?

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    Re: The Brilliance of MGTOW

    Good point, MGTOW offers so much because you can turn it into whatever makes you happiest. It gives you freedom inside more freedom. I like your idea of snow globes that's a great way to put it. Snow globes look great and festive from the outside, but I wonder how great is it being trapped in one. #ResistSnowGlobes

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    Re: The Brilliance of MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    Welcome, Project. Very good post. A man that is yet to realize he's a fodder in this gynocentric society is a slave. The disintegration of American civilization is approaching its nadir. My prediction is that the next two decades are going to be very grim. MGTOW has shaped my life in a way I'm forever grateful. I found the life of minimalism to be very satisfying and I've been able to suckle on life's most beautiful gifts. Like Lope De Vega said, "with a few flowers in my garden, half a dozen pictures and some books, I live without envy."
    Thank you Hedon for the welcome and compliment. I agree, a man needs to have the realization or else paradise will turn to hell. That is what blue pill thinking does: it turns a paradise that was never truly authentic into a nightmare. The value of the realization is essential for everybody to grow, although it could also be grim (like the next 2 decades as you mentioned) if someone isn't ready for it yet. Hence, we don't recruit, we just watch them arrive. When they are ready for the knowledge at their own pace. Yes, minimalism offers a simple lifestyle that truly allows us to see and experience life's joy without the distractions and stress that the narrative promotes.

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    Re: The Brilliance of MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith79 View Post
    Welcome! I read your first post and was looking forward to more such posts from you and you did not disappoint.

    I wish I had been exposed to the red-pill and MGTOW philosophy at your age. I think it would have saved me a lot of trouble. Back then, red-pill truths were hardly circulated. Now, red-pill bombs and snippets of MGTOW philosophy are popping up everywhere, especially in social media comments, and despite concerted efforts by the media to censor and de-platform those who speak for it.
    Thank you for the welcome John! Yeah back then it was much harder to access such information because the internet wasn't as prominent. I consider myself lucky to have found MGTOW knowledge just a few months ago at age 18, it has helped me understand myself and the world much better. I found MGTOW on Youtube due to some long curious nights and an interest in psychology. I eventually found channels such as "Sunrise Hoodie" and "Happy Humble Hermit" and I've been interested ever since. The learning never stops. I think there is significant value in finding MGTOW knowledge and philosophy later in life though as when you do eventually find it, you'll be more appreciative of it because you have the experience that lets you realize how good you have it now, as compared to the years before. The media and Big Tech hate MGTOW so that means we are on the right track

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    If this were the 1960's we'd be called radical subversive commies for not embracing traditionalism and wearing the leash for some woman.
    "Don't follow in my footsteps. I stepped in something."

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwenWentFullMGTOW View Post
    The comparison between FDS and MGTOW comes from the concept of each sex vying for their best life. Even if you don't see the comparison, people who are neither MGTOW nor FDS do see the comparison.

    In any case, the point stands. I framed the limited amount of connective tissue I see between the two camps. MGTOW legitimately does benefit men. But it's pretty hard to argue that FDS benefits women since it requires women to compete against each other for already limited choices.
    The biological imperative of men and women is different from the very beginning. So your view might sound valid but I dont think that is logical to think like that.
    Men wants the best looking women to fuck with and have good genes.
    Women on the other hand, wants the men with as much as possible resources.
    Men searching for good looking women to sleep with using absolute minimum effort (that is PUA)
    is akin to
    Women leeching off rich men using absolute minimum effort (that is FDS)
    They both need the opposite sex to fuel their wants.

    But MGTOW is another story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwenWentFullMGTOW View Post
    A lot of people (even us) want to draw a lot of straight lines between MGTOW and FDS, they're basically the same, they're equally bad (or equally good, for that matter), blah blah blah.

    The only way I've ever wanted to compare MGTOW to FDS is from the standpoint that they illustrate the core and undeniable truths of both sexes.

    Men are capable of functioning independently and not only surviving, but probably thriving as a result. Upon discovering this, MGTOW's have publicized their successes, which encouraged other men to follow a similar path. MGTOW exemplifies the truth of men and it benefits men.

    FDS is hypergamy on steroids cranked up to 11 until your ears bleed. Also, FDS plays into the competition that women already have with each other. FDS encourages all women (including the mediocre to nasty ones) to seek out only the very best men. The tallest, the richest, the most jacked, etc. The women nonstop compete with each other for access to the scarce availability of top tier men. Each woman gets progressively less than her immediate predecessor because these men realize they don't have to offer as much to women in order to get what they want. FDS exemplifies the truth of women and it harms women.

    Respectfully, I believe blue-pill society tends to view men's success in terms of how many women a man can sexually access; walking away from women is often construed as sour grapes syndrome, which usually lumps MGTOW into the same bucket as Incels - as men who are unable to get a woman or are sexually inexperienced with women.

    So you'll have to ask yourself which is more likely?

    For society to view FDS with PUA because:
    (i) Female DATING strategy indicates the goal is Dating, and looking for High Value Men;
    (ii) Pick-Up Artists, where the goal is also Dating, to score dates with as many women as they can pick-up.

    Or for society to view FDS with the MGTOW-Incel bucket?

    Are we wrong here?

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    Re: The Brilliance of MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Joetech View Post
    If this were the 1960's we'd be called radical subversive commies for not embracing traditionalism and wearing the leash for some woman.
    Without a doubt. It would be hard to be a MGTOW man in the 1960s. Although most people still consider MGTOW "radical" and "extreme" and "hateful" so we are treated about the same today as we would have been back then. Maybe even worse today with how things are. When the masses look up MGTOW online all these articles pop up saying that MGTOW is a hate group on the fringes of the internet, and thus most people will see these articles and make false assumptions because they don't want to believe anything else. The articles tell them exactly what they want to hear. Nonetheless if someone takes the time to look over the ideology with an open mind they will see that there are some astounding truths and meaningful philosophy, even if it doesn't fit their life. MGTOW is definitely worth looking through.

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    Re: The Brilliance of MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith79 View Post
    Respectfully, I believe blue-pill society tends to view men's success in terms of how many women a man can sexually access; walking away from women is often construed as sour grapes syndrome, which usually lumps MGTOW into the same bucket as Incels - as men who are unable to get a woman or are sexually inexperienced with women.

    So you'll have to ask yourself which is more likely?

    For society to view FDS with PUA because:
    (i) Female DATING strategy indicates the goal is Dating, and looking for High Value Men;
    (ii) Pick-Up Artists, where the goal is also Dating, to score dates with as many women as they can pick-up.

    Or for society to view FDS with the MGTOW-Incel bucket?

    Are we wrong here?
    I have noticed that MGTOW is seen as incel quite a bit. It couldn't be further from the truth but I think people who bucket them together are doing so in a defensive manner and using shaming tactics. For example common shaming lines are, "You just can't get laid" or "Are you gay?". The first shaming line is used towards both MGTOW and incel.

    I see FDS and PUA as similar in their general objective which is to capture the interest in the opposite sex. But the reasons for doing so and the way FDS and PUA go about achieving this objective is completely different. Society viewing FDS with the MGTOW-Incel bucket is an interesting concept to bring up because I suppose people could reason this concept by saying that women consuming FDS content are more likely to be femcel, considering they still deeply want men but can't get them, and therefore consume more of the FDS content to "hone their skills". This would be similar to an incel consuming PUA content. Once again, because incels deeply want women, but can't get them, they would be more likely to consume more PUA content to also "hone their skills".

    From what I can tell so far, it seems like incels don't like PUAs as they see PUAs as scammers. However PUAs can make money off incels who play into the lust over women. Because incels seek women for validation, unlike MGTOW, incels are very susceptible to the PUA manipulation. This would explain why PUAs hate MGTOW more than incels because they (PUAs) cannot target someone who has already left (MGTOW).


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