Thread: The agenda is clear as day.

Recently the popular influencer Andrew Tate got banned from all social media platforms for no reason. Yes. You read that correctly.

Turns out, they didn't like the content he was putting out..so they made him disappear.

I didn't agree with everything he said on his platform and he wasn't mgtow but he did wake people up to female nature which I did like and they didn't.



There is a clear agenda going on.

You have to remember that America was once a sexist nation towards women and the elite at the top made money from it in various different ways.

People NEVER give up power for nothing as they started giving women rights not because they were nice, but because they thought it would be more profitable to switch the gender who they were sexist too.

So then you started to see the plan take effect against men, and they started really with the men in the black community and getting into the minds of their women first... & now that they have that community and it is compromised they are now working their way up to the top all the way to white men.

That is how a group of men take over and gain control of a country and women in the modern era fellas... at the end of the day it's still the same old story.

Men trying to conquer other men and get control of the land, and the women so they can mold the world in their vision... it's why thousands of wars have been fought time and time again.

I mean, they've already got the women and children at this point through schooling. It's a lost cause, just let it collapse and cull the useless eaters. Once we go full Brazil it's ruling over a backwards nation of ignorant monkeys that can't keep civilization running.

Hard times create strong men and such.

Originally Posted by Ithoughtshewas18ohms

I mean, they've already got the women and children at this point through schooling. It's a lost cause, just let it collapse and cull the useless eaters. Once we go full Brazil it's ruling over a backwards nation of ignorant monkeys that can't keep civilization running.

Hard times create strong men and such.

What's crazy to me is that people don't realize the sexism never stopped it just flipped to the men, but they don't give a shit. Humans are such hypocrites at our core. People don't care about true righteousness and morality but just that the situation benefits them.

Idea of humans = Amazing, everything you can ask for... the saviors of the universe.
Reality of Humans = Dogshit greedy selfish hypocritical beast


Such a dynamic reality from our ideas and imagination.

Originally Posted by manaloneforever

Men trying to conquer other men and get control of the land, and the women so they can mold the world in their vision... it's why thousands of wars have been fought time and time again.

I agree.

-What is the easiest way to control a large strong force of men? Shame them into submission.
-On average who will spend more money on crap that is not needed to sustain life? Women
-By getting women out of the home to work, it dropped the average annual home income/hours worked when set against inflation.

In countries where voting is not compulsory, women vote more than men. Why campaign for a group of people that are not going to vote? They campaign to get the max amount of votes or to win.

In the couple of years, people in the west have seen the other tactic to control the masses: Divide and conquer. Mandate something controversial, then publicly shame people that question it, stating misleading information about effectiveness, and keep changing the information about it. In the end confusing the masses to make them question everything being told to them... This has worked really well removing people rights and freedoms, we will see this again...

As I said before, when Mgtow groups were deleted from Reddit, it can actually be useful to spread Mgtow if we use a better strategy. Especially for those who love to talk about "conspiracies that Govs dont want you to know".

Of course, many of such conspiracy theories are fake bullshits, but when we are talking about spreading Mgtow, this is true: Govs and elites don't want more men to know about our ideas. And if some men dont believe it, we could just tell him to create an account on Reddit and start talking about Mgtow ideas, and then, just wait to see what happens: surely his account would be quickly closed and then he could have a clear proof that elites trying to hide Mgtow ideas is not just one more conspiracy theory. This could put Mgtows in a win-win situation actually.

The real point is that it is not really needed yet. There are other ways to talk about Mgtow ideas without dealing with Reddit bullshit (and the same for many other social medias).

Everyone has a vested interest in keeping would be free men isolated slaves.

Everything runs off of mens excess intellect and labour. Without our cooperation all the parasitic rackets couldn't exist i.e nanny state government, women's "equality", divorce industry etc.

Anything that ACTUALLY gives the average individual man REAL power will be deplatformed, stigmatized, shamed, made illegal etc and shut down. Everyone else benefits from keeping you an isolated, ignorant work horse and mindless consumer.

It is an illusion and a massive psy ops to keep men in slumber and apathetic so that they do not yield power. Power belongs to those that understand that they have had it all along in the first place. And not those waiting for power to be delegated to them from a higher authority that you are supposed to "trust" eg. .GOV.

Divide and conquer works really well against men because men often trust top down structures far more than women.

But for men to really progress into being a force multiplier as groups they must trust themselves more and to believe the man next to him more than the talking head or "expert" on television.

Knowledge is power. Andrew Tate did put on full display the nature of humanity. Society and women gain nothing by freeing men and delivering the truth. That is exactly what Andrew Tate is doing, freeing ordinary men by showing you the nature of humanity.

Video of him allegedly beating his girlfriend
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/co...is_girlfriend/

Video of her saying she gave consent
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IV2In5hTXew

Andrew Tate on having multiple wives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIXLQg7g3LQ

While Andrew Tate was showing us the truth, even with his ex defending him, this man was canceled from social media. The most recent consequence is to go after his friends. G2 Esports CEO placed on unpaid leave after a video showed him with Andrew Tate.
https://twitter.com/G2esports/status...04110511263744

If you want you can join Andrew Tates's, The War Room, for an absurd price of £4,147.00.
https://cobratate.com/product/war-room

He may have been canceled from mainstream social media, but he is on rumble.
https://rumble.com/c/TateSpeech

Originally Posted by Azure Nomad

It is an illusion and a massive psy ops to keep men in slumber and apathetic so that they do not yield power. Power belongs to those that understand that they have had it all along in the first place. And not those waiting for power to be delegated to them from a higher authority that you are supposed to "trust" eg. .GOV.

Divide and conquer works really well against men because men often trust top down structures far more than women.

But for men to really progress into being a force multiplier as groups they must trust themselves more and to believe the man next to him more than the talking head or "expert" on television.

This is great insight - we have essentially a crisis in the making in that the vast majority of men have absconded their own judgement and simply defer to any supposed expert or authority. The observable fact is that those very experts (in any field) or leaders (again, in any field) have no reason to be given that trust. They are for the most part incompetent at best, and arguably evil (in the biblical sense) at worst.

I've noted here that it's refreshing that our MGTOW community seems to grasp this reality clearly - but as for society at large, it is just one big feedlot...without anyone understanding where that leads.

Trying to get anyone to see that is kind of like these two memes:

From what little I’ve seen of him this Tate guy seemed rather annoying to me.

Originally Posted by Edwardhaskell

From what little I’ve seen of him this Tate guy seemed rather annoying to me.

Maybe because he's just another PUA grifter.
Yes, they surely free men. Free as in "feel free to buy my course".
"Waking up"? There is nothing glorious in putting free knowledge behind a paywall.
PUA's are all but a bluepill cake with redpill sprinkles.

I'm still amazed how many people don't see paralels to get-rich-quick schemes.

Originally Posted by bazalgette

Maybe because he's just another PUA grifter.
Yes, they surely free men. Free as in "feel free to buy my course".
"Waking up"? There is nothing glorious in putting free knowledge behind a paywall.
PUA's are all but a bluepill cake with redpill sprinkles.

I'm still amazed how many people don't see paralels to get-rich-quick schemes.

I don't understand why people figure you have to buy his course. I guess you can if you want. He's nearly as popular as Porn when you look in the right places, and no one in their right mind would pay for porn if you wanted it. Yes, he offers a course, it doesn't mean you have to buy it. Because he offers a course does not make his content any less irrelevant to modern times.

Better Batchelor has a Locals channel that you can buy in on to support him, with your way of thinking BB is just a grifter...

Coach Greg besides his YT channel he sells supplements and has an affiliate program to sign up for, is he classed as a grifter also?

I even checked Sandman..... He is a grifter also, he has a paypal, Bitcoin and sponsor link advertised.

There is not one content creator that is serious about his work that is doing it totally non-profit, or are we just to listen to you and no one else? I am really trying to understand, and can't grasp it yet...

Having a merchandise is not grifiting.
But it is only dishonest to push people for course that supposedly has some
secret knowledge that will make you rich & get tons of women.

There is not one content creator that is serious about his work that is doing it totally non-profit

Undead Chronic, StrongSuccessfulMale, ThinkBeforeYouSleep, Hammerhand, R.P.M, Replicant Phish, Manosphere Highlights Daily, Sandman - they all are doing it non-profit.
Mind you there is a difference between accepting donations, doing content regardless and selling some snake oil.

Why don't they paywall? Because they genuinly want to help men. Redpill should be free in its entirety.
Does Tate have anything going besides his youtube channel? He gets banned once and whines like a 'lil b**ch.
Chronic got banned already 15 times, Hammerhand 9 and Sandman walks on eggshels not to get banned.

People should choose their role-models more wisely.

They said Kevin Samuels is the one - he said "average at best".
Well, mr. "average at best" died with "average at best" 304 in one bed promptly after calling Niki Minaj 10/10.

They said Rollo Tomassi - godfather of the manosphere...
How come the person so critical/distrustful of marriage have a post-wall wife?
You are all but a hypocryte if you don't practice what you preach.

They said Roma Army, Jack Murphy, Bulldog Minset, Entrepeneurs in Cars.
Roma sells onlyfans and bashes mgtow. Murphy is a confirmed cuck. Bulldog is "mgtow so buy my course but mgtow also sucks". Entrepeneurs talked ~2mo ago how MGTOW is harmful for newer generations and should be supressed.

When i see CME i hear Cucking Made Easy. You don't need to go on conventions to learn the truth.
You don't need to buy pheromone soap. There is no need for buying a course that is a bunch of PDF's.
Knowledge is already out there and is supposed to be free in it's entirety.

Originally Posted by bazalgette

Having a merchandise is not grifiting.

That course is Tate's merchandise....

Originally Posted by bazalgette

Undead Chronic, StrongSuccessfulMale, ThinkBeforeYouSleep, Hammerhand, R.P.M, Replicant Phish, Manosphere Highlights Daily, Sandman - they all are doing it non-profit.

Non-profit eh? I just looked up StrongSuccessfulMale YT channel, I followed links to his store an outside Web page. Coffee mug for $22 +shipping.... I can buy locally same coffee mug for $1 without printing.... T-shit $44, same local here $10 and it will have printing on it also... His store was nice enough to price it out in AUD$ but shipping will be added at check out, so not included..... I suspect the others will be the same.... Very much for-profit...

Originally Posted by bazalgette

Why don't they paywall? Because they genuinly want to help men. Redpill should be free in its entirety.
Does Tate have anything going besides his youtube channel? He gets banned once and whines like a 'lil b**ch.

Maybe if you actually watched a video or two of his you might find out he is not pay walling all of his content. He is found on a few different platforms; I see him most on Telegram. If you have problems finding him, I am willing to help you....

Originally Posted by bazalgette

People should choose their role-models more wisely.

I don't have roll models, but I have the ability to pick and choose what someone says and see if it applies to what I am thinking or what I have seen. I don't believe blindly, but I will take on board what people are saying...

Originally Posted by bazalgette

They said Rollo Tomassi - godfather of the manosphere...
How come the person so critical/distrustful of marriage have a post-wall wife?
You are all but a hypocryte if you don't practice what you preach.

WTF? What are you getting at here? Rollo is not, never has said, never has claimed to be MGTOW.... He is very much RP'ed, but being RP'ed does not mean he is MGTOW... I believe men need to be Red Pilled (knowledge of female nature) to be MGTOW but you do not need to be MGTOW to be Red Pilled. MGTOW without RP is really INCEL... Just because he is not MGTOW does not discount his RP writings.

Originally Posted by bazalgette

They said Roma Army, Jack Murphy, Bulldog Minset, Entrepeneurs in Cars.
Roma sells onlyfans and bashes mgtow. Murphy is a confirmed cuck. Bulldog is "mgtow so buy my course but mgtow also sucks". Entrepeneurs talked ~2mo ago how MGTOW is harmful for newer generations and should be supressed.

I don't know all of these creators, some I have watched on YT. The names I recognize are RP'ed not MGTOW.... So, I would expect to get RP content, not MGTOW content from them... You don't go to a pub to get a glass of milk...

Originally Posted by bazalgette

You don't need to go on conventions to learn the truth.
You don't need to buy pheromone soap. There is no need for buying a course that is a bunch of PDF's.
Knowledge is already out there and is supposed to be free in it's entirety.

YES!!! You are correct. There is heaps of free content out there, no need to spend any money. There are many good creators on YT and other platforms that talk about the basics of RP. There are different MGTOW creators doing their thing. If you really want to take MGTOW to the extreme and go completely off grid there are creators for that also... If you are going this far, I suggest watching some of the couples videos... Pick and choose what applies to you....

Originally Posted by RustyNuts

That course is Tate's merchandise....

A shirt or a mug are tangible things. One you can wear, the other you can drink from.
What gives you Andrew Tate's course? Is it anything tangible?
It's not a merchandise unless you consider selling snake oil as such.

WTF? What are you getting at here?

Exactly what I've said. I wasn't talking about MGTOW. I was talkig about MGTOW talking points.
MRA's are already dead after being infiltrated. So there is only us, Incels and PUA's.
Former two just parrot our talking points. Both introduce modifications at the detriment of the message.

Young people, (like me) come to this space and the very first thing they see is
Kevin Samuels, Rollo Tomali, Entrepeneurs, Bullcock Mindset.

They encounter a bluepill cake with redpill sprinkles - a backdoor leading back to a plantation.
The insidiousness of telling young men that 30yo carousel riders are high-value women.

MGTOW without RP is really INCEL

Incel is a man who uses MGTOW as an excuse for his shortcomings.
Post-wall women often say: "I am too stunning and brave for any man to handle me".
Incels work on a very same premise.

MGTOW without RP? You gotta be kidding me. MGTOW is the purest form of RP.
MGTOW is inherently RP.

He is very much RP'ed, but being RP'ed does not mean he is MGTOW.

Never said he's MGTOW. I only said he is a hypocrite. He doesn't stand by what he preaches.

Non-profit eh? I just looked up StrongSuccessfulMale YT channel

Sandman makes videos even if he doesn't get any donations - all of those guys do.
All of those channels I've mentioned aren't in it for money or profit.
As i've said - all of their content is literally free.
There is no "secret knowledge", no BS course that will magically change your life.
I'm sorry you can't see the difference.

The names I recognize are RP'ed not MGTOW

Those people are purple pilled at best. And again - CME alone consisted of one confirmed cuck and 3 confirmed grifters.
"Rp is not purple pill" - check out this thread in Ghost section. Imo Unboxxed layed it out really well.

YES!!! You are correct. There is heaps of free content out there, no need to spend any money.

But those people won't tell you that. They'll tell you to buy their course. That their course will solve your problems and change your life for the better (100% guaranteed, no refunds).
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I won't elaborate further - consider this a final reply.
I have no interest in futile discussions and we fundamentally disagree in atleast three areas.
There is nothing wrong with such a disagreement. I'm just aware those areas are the hills we probably both are willing to die on.
This means going in circles and talking over each other while repeating the very same points since comment No1.
I believe both of us find better uses for our own time.

Said fundamental disagreements:
1. Imo if you care about saving men, you don't sell courses but provide them free and full knowledge so they are no longer defensless. Any other conduct i consider exploitation of vulnerable victims. On the other hand you consider "secret knowledge" equwallent to a coffe mug.

2. You consider MGTOW as not inherently RP (how else could you come to a conclusion that MGTOW - RP = INCEL?) and purplepillers RP.

3. You consider "pay if you want to" model as for-profit. And you equate this approach with "pay to get my exclusive and important content".




At the end I want to explain the harsh tone of my 3 (in total) comments.
This harshness is not pointed at you but PUA's.

And a final question for you to ponder.

Let's first assume PUA's message is not corrupt, it is truly RP and those people are genuine.
How come there is a sudden (in female channels) shift towards "female PUA/dating advice" content with manosphere as a target audience, and those channels rapidly gain traction? (ie. RealFemmSapien, JustPearlyThings)

Wow.

And I thought I liked to argue / debate.

bazalgette is correct in making the distinction between profiteering as a side-line (merchandising) and charging for services.

(Edit:

Rusty is also correct. If you’re merchandising then you’re playing to the crowd. There is a conflict of interest at best and a total scam at worst. Most I’d think lie somewhere between the two.)

The names mentioned mean little to me. Yes I’ve heard of many of them and read things about them, I’ve even watched a vid or three and agree with much of what they have to say.

But, to me anyway they’re just more talking heads. Interaction is minimal. Only through discourse can one hope to reach any sort of understanding.