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    The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    Hello gentlemen,

    How are you all doing?

    In the last couple of weeks, I had some clients that were well into their 80s, almost 90s years of age.

    Seeing how they were very dependent on the people that brought them in, got me thinking about how we, as MGTOW men, will face our very last decades of our lives, granted if we make it there!

    We've all agreed to swear off cohabitation and marriage, leaving us "alone" to face our own problems regarding health, wealth and so forth. Some of us have even drifted away from family and have few friends left (who will probably be just as old and dependent as we will be at the time).

    But, what will happen when we reach our advanced age as MGTOWs?

    And by advanced age I mean really advanced, well into your 80s or even 90s!

    When our physical and mental capabilities take a nose dive. When we can't drive anymore by ourselves due to our poor eyesight and reflexes. When our memory begins to play tricks on our minds, and we become the disoriented elder gentlemen in aisle #4 at the local grocery store who doesn't know how he ended up there. When our prostate becomes so enlarged we have to get up every couple of hours at night to take a piss. When even trying to cook for ourselves becomes a fire hazard!

    I don't mean this post to be all "gloom and doom". I was just wondering if you guys have given some thought to what will you do when that time comes (if it comes, of course!).

    A few options that crossed my mind:

    - move closer (but not moving in) to your siblings or your kids - this seems to be the most common path, but I wouldn't want to become burden on them.

    - check yourself into a retirement home/community - a place where all meals are done for you, there are nurses around to take care of you 24/7, and you could even share stories of your dementia with the other tenants.

    - hire a "daytime" nurse/maid - hire some nurse/maid to check in on you during the day, see if you're getting all your meds, clean up your place, etc.

    - check yourself out of Life - a controversial decision, but a "my body, my choice" one. If you can't have your own independence and autonomy to live your own life on your terms, what's the use of going on? To search for a painless and quick way to end your own life (legal euthanasia).

    So, what are your thoughts on this matter?

    Cheers,
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    Re: The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    Getting old really fkn SUCKS!

    My thoughts?

    I hope Brendon really pissed off Putin and global temperatures go up one hundred million degrees!

    Char this fkn rock for all I care!

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    Re: The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    Everyone face the same fate. Not like if you donít have money your kids will take care of you.
    if would be worse if you have a 80s woman to take care of yourself is also 80s

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    Re: The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    Retirement homes exist. I was planning to look into a VERY specific type of retirement home so that my final years can be as good as possible.

    Of course, this all assumes we don't all get wiped out in a nuclear holocaust or something.

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    Re: The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    It's not pretty guys. All I can say is cash is king. If you would like some dignity. Even then it's no great shakes.

    I see people here saying they are not saving a dime toward care in their old age. I've know people with that concept, to add in "Oh I won't live that long. Or the bolder statement of "i'll just off myself." Okay. If that's the way you chose to go.

    If you don't have cash. Or friends, family, or someone to help. Off to the state run nursing home you go. Ever been to one for a visit? Talk about going out with no dignity.

    Some fun facts.

    Upscale assisted living facility here in Midwest. $3500-$6500 mo. Depending on how nice an apartment and level of staff services.

    24hr in home care from a home care agency. $14000 a month. Nope my finger did not hit too many zeros.

    Plus you will still get the shit end of the stick if these places know that nobody checks up on you. Frequently. If someone is not an advocate for you. It's the bottom of the barrel for you. No matter how much you pay.
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    Re: The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    I keep in mind that, FWIW, it's not MGTOW that causes me to die alone because, I believe, most married couples who together reach old age still have one of them die ahead of the other and then the one who is remaining is no different than a guy like me who arrived at old age without a partner. So, what do they do?

    I live alone. When I moved to Seattle in 1995 I had the option of finally living on a large acreage, far from the madding crowd, where one could not see my house from the road for the trees. Ah, the isolation, how nice. I had always lived in tract neighborhoods, homes right next to each other. Living where my nearest neighbor was beyond the trees sounded nice. Except, I kept thinking about how long it might take the fire dept or ambulance to find my house in a medical emergency, out there in the toolies. Maybe not a problem, but what did I know? So, I bought a house in-city, a neighborhood about a mile from the big hospital. Now, all of these years later, had I bought in the toolies I likely would not be able to move closer in town for the now much higher cost of in-city homes. With my recent medical issues these many years later, and the several ambulance rides, I am glad I am close to the hospital and my doctors.

    Still, I live alone, and what good is having neighbors nearby if no one sees me fall down inside my home and can't get up? At some point maybe I'll get one of those things you hang around your neck to summon for help but that is many years away.

    I have a friend who is 103 years old and lives in another state. He now has a lady come in twice a week and his daughter calls him every day at 5pm to check on him.

    I have no kids. I have a brother an hour away and another brother 90 minutes away but they cannot sit in the hospital with me and advocate on my behalf, if I should ever need that. Then again, I haven't needed that and haven't asked. They each have a wife or adult children to help them in that way.

    I have Long-Term Care Insurance for either a care facility, in-home care, or respite care, so there's that.

    Due to my recent temporary immobility issues, I now have a collapsible cane and a folding walker around the house if anything sudden causes me to need them again. I'm not suggesting everyone should keep these items around. I wisely bought the cane well in advance of ever needing it and, when I did get into trouble and needed a walker, luckily Walgreens Drug Store delivered the walker to my door same-day delivery.

    I suppose if I have to stop cooking, I'll resort to microwaving everything. Maybe have meals delivered if I can't drive to the store anymore. My aunts/uncles lives in their homes until they died. My mom developed dementia and spend the last several years in a care facility after each of us nearby kids took turns having her but could no longer care for her effectively as time passed.

    I suppose if I am "lucky", I will suddenly drop dead and never know it.
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    Re: The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    As time progresses, so does medical science. I had to think about this about five years ago. In my case, I now have a built-in kill switch. Stop the advanced meds, 5-6 days later it's over. Planned correctly, insurance will pay off on an 'accident'. For the religious among us, I even talked with a priest. Off-ing yourself is a sin, declining "advanced medical intervention necessary for sustaining life", is not.

    Above, O.G. pointed out why public facilities are a last resort, especially if there is no one to check up on you. I volunteered on a rural ambulance service for ten years. His observations are spot on.

    As MGTOW, successfully avoiding the pitfalls of modern society means approaching the end, alone. If you're not ready for that reality, if that makes you nervous, sit down and get used to the idea now. We push 'death' from our thoughts with a passion. Mother Nature doesn't care about our passion. Plan ahead, be ready on your terms, at peace with what's to come.

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    Re: The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    Been thinking about this lately. I see myself going out in two ways (if I'm lucky to live long enough); either I get too old, am living alone and fall, unable to get up and slowly suffer a long and painful death. Otherwise, and the option I'm learning towards, is self-deletion. I think I'll be able to achieve most of my life goals by 45-50, so by then I'll probably kick the bucket as I don't really have any reason to keep going after that. It's pretty grim, but you gotta be realistic. I know what I signed up for with MGTOW.

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    Re: The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    I'm in my 30s. As I see it, there a few scenarios. A. Society collapses, I end up dead at some point. Fine, I didn't exist before birth, and I won't exist after death. So, nothing to fear. B. Medical aid robots become common place. I won't need a live in nurse or a retirement home. C. I'm forced to blow all my money on a retirement/ nursing home. Oh well, at least the government won't get my $.

    I study and practice stocism, and the ancient stoics had clear views on death. Suicide was considered acceptable if someone was no longer able to practice virtue or be of use to the "Cosmopolis" (society). Basically, if one became ill or debilitated at some point, one was permitted to end their life in a manner of their choosing. I may yet choose to go that path at some point.

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    Re: The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    I told my daughters that I'm going to have two 5 acre parcels attached with two paid off houses when they graduate college. When I get to 'that age' I want a tiny home or converted storage shed as my residence on the back 40 of the land. Bring me a meal a day, drive me to town once a week for provisions, and leave me be. If things get gnarly health-wise, I'll develop a a nice heroin habit and will take a lethal dose one night. I left off the part about the heroin with my girls during the discussuon.

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    Re: The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    Last choice for me definitely. When that time comes and i'm too old to even provide basic care for myself hopefully self euthanasia becomes a normal practice that i don't gave to take a trip to Switzerland. My hope is Sarco pod is developed well into acceptable means of self euthanasia.

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    Need a link to the site, sounds interesting.

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    Re: The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    Last choice for me definitely. When that time comes and i'm too old to even provide basic care for myself hopefully self euthanasia becomes a normal practice that i don't gave to take a trip to Sweden. My hope is Sarco pod is developed well into acceptable means of self euthanasia.
    Reminds me of the movie Children of Men. Dystopian future flick where humanity has become progressively sterile. Chaos ensues and folks start becoming increasingly desperate, the government begins distributing suicide kits (pills) in an attempt to minimize the public nastiness of bodies laying eveywhere. Basically you would schedule a pickup date for your body, take the pill on the specified day and that's it. It'll be a while yet before we're to that point, but several countries are already allowing people with diagnosed mental disorders to commit medically assisted suicide, including the chronically depressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toolband89 View Post
    , but several countries are already allowing people with diagnosed mental disorders to commit medically assisted suicide, including the chronically depressed.
    Wow! The level of disregard we as a society have for fellow humans is unbelievable. I have a rough exterior and am extremely libertarian, but people deserve a chance to live. No one seems much interested about the causation of the increasing number of mentally ill people.

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    Re: The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2_Time_Loser View Post
    Need a link to the site, sounds interesting.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59577162
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    Re: The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    I have been thinking of that lately in my meditations. I made my mind that i only need 50-60 years stay on earth. After that, I hope to blow my savings and retirement with a period of 5 years and then off myself.

    I follow stoicism and Seneca advocates for suicide if you canít hold it any longer or you want to leave with dignity. Thatís what I will do.

    By then hopefully I will have achieved all my purposes on earth.

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    Re: The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    <Rant ON>

    I cannot believe in the short amount of time this thread has been here that five guys say they will kill themselves in old age. I don't believe any of you! Not a one of you. How old are you guys anyway?

    You're not going to kill yourselves! Give me a break! You're just talking shit here because that's the danger of a site like this, it makes guys talk like they are bold warriors of the apocalypse or something. I didn't know we had so many samurais among us!

    Wait until you get another 20-30 years under your belt. You'll look at your life differently. Yes, you will. Don't argue with me, dammit!

    You won't be so cavalier about yourself, or talk so brave. You'll manage. You'll punt. You'll notice the pussies around you are doing it and with less complaints.

    I'm-a gonna off myself. Shee-it. So much chest-thumping.

    Or maybe you're the same subset of members who always insist that every negative turn of events in the news is a harbinger of destruction in an unstoppable downward spiral! I've seen those threads. Negative Nellies, all of you! Makes ya wonder how we ever survived WWII into the prosperity of the 1950s. And that was a World War.

    Now stop the defeatist bullshit and start planning TO LIVE. Get a plan going in your head, get thinking, listen to old coots like me. Look around at the old coots in your vicinity who are doing it. Don't store up only the bad stories that you've heard. Next time you see a 90-year-old woman in the grocery store barely pushing along in a walker, take time to notice her. Notice that she did not off herself. Notice people in wheelchairs living their lives. They're everywhere, once you notice and think about them. They are not people who are simply too afraid to off themselves. Give your future self a chance. Your starting plan for today will be to start thinking productively about your old age. At first, just do that much. Let hope percolate. The decrepit years are a long way off, if they happen. Don't decide today what you are going to do, as you may have no idea how well your life can go even as health declines.

    <Rant OFF>
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    Re: The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    <Rant On> Bansi! Banshee! Hari Keri!

    Nuke me motherfuckers, nuke me if you can! <Rant Off>

    <Wax On> <Wax Off>

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    Re: The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    My current plan is to retire early, I will have to move to a cheap 3rd world country to achieve this aim. A few points I'd add to this thread.


    From a financial point there's the gamble between.


    Saving for old age, only to die young. A relative of mine back in the 80s got suddenly diagnosed terminally ill a month after retirement.
    Not saving for old age and being broke for decades.
    Then there's the issue of the government taking money off people who saved and giving it to the people who didn't.


    I see an epidemic of loneliness of old people in the next few decades. More people with no children today = more people with no grandchildren further down the line. How the economy will deal with this is anyone's guess but it doesn't look good, keeping an eye on Japan.


    I can see an increase in suicides that includes the legally assisted variety.


    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Now stop the defeatist bullshit and start planning TO LIVE. Get a plan going in your head, get thinking, listen to old coots like me. Look around at the old coots in your vicinity who are doing it. Don't store up only the bad stories that you've heard. Next time you see a 90-year-old woman in the grocery store barely pushing along in a walker, take time to notice her. Notice that she did not off herself. Notice people in wheelchairs living their lives. They're everywhere, once you notice and think about them. They are not people who are simply too afraid to off themselves. Give your future self a chance. Your starting plan for today will be to start thinking productively about your old age. At first, just do that much. Let hope percolate. The decrepit years are a long way off, if they happen. Don't decide today what you are going to do, as you may have no idea how well your life can go even as health declines.

    That being said, you do have the chance to plan ahead.
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    Re: The Advanced Age MGTOW End Game.

    Quote Originally Posted by 12inchbamboo View Post
    I have been thinking of that lately in my meditations. I made my mind that i only need 50-60 years stay on earth. After that, I hope to blow my savings and retirement with a period of 5 years and then off myself.

    I follow stoicism and Seneca advocates for suicide if you canít hold it any longer or you want to leave with dignity. Thatís what I will do.

    By then hopefully I will have achieved all my purposes on earth.
    Do you have your 5 year burn down start date marked on your calendar?
    Like yep...today is it. 5/10/27 or whatever day you pick. Gunna buy me that whatever I've always wanted today. Eat the things I denied myself in the past.

    Why the 10 year sliding scale to your start date?
    Does not sound like a very firm commitment to your plan. Awful big window there.

    Since you only hope to achieve your purpose on earth. I don't see how your purpose really matters much to you.
    Especially as to the start of your 5 year burn down.

    I see the same thing as Unboxxed saw.

    Give me a break! You're just talking shit here because that's the danger of a site like this, it makes guys talk like they are bold warriors of the apocalypse or something. I didn't know we had so many samurais among us!
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