Thread: The test of a true MGTOW

The premise:

An advanced alien civilization visits Earth, starts a diplomatic relationship. They inform us that women are a mistake made by the alien civilization that created us (formerly known as "God").

They offer to fix the situation by:
1. Exterminating all women
2. Giving us technology to clone only the males with the best genes
3. Genetically engineering away our dicks

So, the question is, would you trade your dick in exchange for not having to deal with female bullshit ever again?

Things to consider before replying...

For this advanced civilization to have become this advanced, is that what they did? Or do they themselves have sexes? If not, how do they manifest matters of love and interdependence? Are they emotionless, robotic-acting?

What disadvantages and hidden costs are they not mentioning, that we would see if we visited their planet? How disposable do they consider each other?

Do we lose our balls, too, and with them the testosterone we need to not become passive and disinterested in advancing ourselves?

Are they female? Is this a trick?

What do they want in exchange for their benevolent offer? To Serve Man comes to mind.

I don't believe this is a the true test of a MGTOW. Being MGTOW means being a MGHOW, a man going his own way. Not a man concerning himself with saving all of society from the problems of feminism/gynocentrism/whatever.

A MGTOW may wish to improve society. He may not. He may think removing all women is the best option, he may not. A MGTOW may feel desperate for a paradigm shift, he may however be happy with the life he has created for himself.

Separately, a man's penis is part of his body. The fact that its the part that gets stuck in a woman doesn't automatically make it disposable. It doesn't make a man caring about keeping his penis the same as clinging to gynocentrism.

Interesting thought experiment.

Haven't "they" been "fixing" things long enough already? Advancing onto fixing us to fit their narrative both figurative and literally?

I like the way I'm handling it, shove them in their own vacuum flasks of self inspired stupidity and let them scream out their obscenities without air to strike their vocal cords.

Fuck fixing the world, I fixed me and that's all fixing I plan on doing! You can't fix broken engineering, all you can do is design your own.

As for me and my body? NO TRESSPASSING, violators shall be shot on sight until death.

Give them no consideration whatsoever. Leave them to rot in the hive of filth they and they alone created.

They're now "independent" let them be "independent".

This is a funny thought experiment as others have said.

I describe MGTOW in it's most literal sense of "men going their own way". That literally means "you go your own way". There is not right or wrong way to be MGTOW. It will be completely subjective.

I'm not trying to fix things that I can't control. I am creating my own reality and doing what I want to do regardless as to what society is doing. It's clear that there are nowhere near the numbers of men who share my values. That means I just have to do my own thing.

Agree, MGTOW isnt saving the world. Our goal is just to avoid women and pursue our own hobbies and interests. But to the OPs question, would you give up your Johnson?

Funny story, a buddy and I in our 20s one day over a beer jokingly said, we should chop off our dicks, we will be millionaires with all the money saved. A couple years later, he got some terrible gf, and he went into business with her. The business failed and they had to live in Dads basement

But if the biz was a success, she would have divorcegraped him like Bezos wife

No winning, f it, go your own way

Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol

This is a funny thought experiment as others have said.

I describe MGTOW in it's most literal sense of "men going their own way". That literally means "you go your own way". There is not right or wrong way to be MGTOW. It will be completely subjective.

I'm not trying to fix things that I can't control. I am creating my own reality and doing what I want to do regardless as to what society is doing. It's clear that there are nowhere near the numbers of men who share my values. That means I just have to do my own thing.

What are values but the way we live our lives?

Do we not want and achieve the things we value?

When someone or something gets in the way of what we value, what do we do? We maneuver, we steer our way through the icebergs that confront us, we don't waste time negotiating, we're already reacting, plotting, planning, anticipating.

To anyone so brainwashed and deceived by their own perverted values, I don't waste my time psychoanalyzing, I just figuratively electrocute the SOB!

We are in masculinities darkest hour and that alone explains, where are all the men? We're being systematically destroyed, about to be destroyed, or hiding in plain sight with legitimate reason to avoid being terrorized by know and documented social terrorists out to change and destroy natural order.

Masculinity is a Jew living in 1939 Nazi Germany! We either flee the slums they created or be shipped off and concentrated for slave labor or termination, whichever they decide, it's not your choice! In the end, what you value, is your fate, and for this proverbial Jew living in a Nazi state, all I can do is hide in plain sight like a chameleon that does swastikas.

How many men came to us, over to our side, with the rope burns of emasculating tyranny burned around their necks? Slaves to her highness?

If a MAN doesn't go his own way, he's marching toward his own personal hell on earth with demons devouring his mind and ruining his health, all the time preparing him for an early grave.

Everything that was once good and wholesome is now poisoned and lethal.

Everything that was once righteous is now an abomination.

Our choices are severely restricted and limited. The reality fate has chosen us is kin to navigating in arctic waters full of ice with winter on the horizon.

This captain has charted his course to warmer and friendlier waters, to a place called MGTOW island, it's a warm pacific atoll that had it's lagoon filled with the Pacific garbage patch and made into a 10,000 ft. mountain ski resort!

We'll boast surfing at the bottom and skiing at the top! Surf'n'ski 20 minutes guaranteed or your money back! We'll pack'em in the trams like $ardines!

"They offer to fix the situation."

Anytime an offer is made, always ask yourself what's in it for the other person. There always is something. The question is, what is it. In this instance I can think of a half dozen things right off the top of my head.

Remember the old saying, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"?

Beyond military protection, police presence, and road/bridge maintenance... Just look around whatever country you live in and tell me what your "government" has ever been good at domestically, besides intrusion, control, and destruction of personal freedoms and personal choice.

We don't need an "Office Of Genetic Purity," which is what the aliens' proposal implies -- silently enough to slip by Mr. or Ms. Average Moron of course. The mere notion ought to send a shiver down everyone's spine. Hitler, Himmler, et al. We're already on that road anyway: Low-IQ Woke Nation already wants all the conservatives and patriots dead and preferably tortured beforehand. We don't need any help getting to the destination.

Originally Posted by Unboxxed

For this advanced civilization to have become this advanced, is that what they did? Or do they themselves have sexes? If not, how do they manifest matters of love and interdependence? Are they emotionless, robotic-acting?

It turns out that sexes, sex and sexual reproduction are very uncommon in the universe. It was a failed experiment conducted on this planet, abandoned by the previous alien civilization.

Originally Posted by Unboxxed

What disadvantages and hidden costs are they not mentioning, that we would see if we visited their planet? How disposable do they consider each other?

Without sex and sex drive, they are able to tightly control their population. No famine, no war, great stability, peace and prosperity. No women to act ike an anchor on men.

Originally Posted by Unboxxed

Do we lose our balls, too, and with them the testosterone we need to not become passive and disinterested in advancing ourselves?

You will not have a sex drive. Your hormone levels will be adequate and appropriate.

Originally Posted by Unboxxed

Are they female? Is this a trick?

They have no gender. No trick.

Originally Posted by Unboxxed

What do they want in exchange for their benevolent offer? To Serve Man comes to mind.

By fixing us now, they will not have to deal with a completely fucked up, science experiment of a species with advanced technology in the future. An ounce of prevention is worth a megaton of interstellar war.

It seems that this thought experiment evoked some pretty strong reactions. I would like to summarize, analyze and discuss the outcomes.

Common theme: Nobody has the will to solve this problem, even if somebody else will do the hard and dirty work for them.

This is perplexing. None of us live in a bubble. We all pay a lot of money to support the gynocracy. Given the chance to fix this once and for all, nobody wants to fix it? Why? FTR, I would absolutely take an alien civilization up on this offer.

Plot twist in the thought experiment: Alien civilization proves to us that reincarnation is real, and that most or all of you will be right back here on Earth as soon as you die, continuing to have to deal with the problems you chose not to fix in this lifetime. Would that motivate anybody to deal with this problem now, rather than just getting through this lifetime the best you can and letting the world continue to get worse?

Common theme: Distrust of government

That's fair. But let's assume that shitty government is unique to Earth, and that civilizations lasting miliions of years have much saner governance, and are less problematic as a species.

So nobody directly answered the question. Let's rephrase: Would you be willing to become a genderless species without sex organs, but otherwise the species is 100% male in every way, in exchange for never having to deal with another woman or finance her life?

EDIT: Or, if nobody is willing to say "Bye Felicia!" to women forever, middle fingers raised high...
What if the aliens say that this is important to their own security, and that they will do it whether you like it or not. Do you:
1. Let them do it
2. Write them a strongly worded letter condemning their interference on our planet
3. Start an all out war that you have no chance of winning, against a technologically superior civilization, to protect the whimmenz

My answer? Walk away.

Common theme: Nobody has the will to solve this problem, even if somebody else will do the hard and dirty work for them.
This is perplexing. None of us live in a bubble. We all pay a lot of money to support the gynocracy. Given the chance to fix this once and for all, nobody wants to fix it? Why? FTR, I would absolutely take an alien civilization up on this offer.

You are assuming the 'solution' would work. What about unintended consequences?

What are you hoping to return to anyway, traditionalism? I prefer life off the plantation, thanks. I have less stress, more money and time. I do not place my worth or happiness in other people or their opinions, hence I do not yearn after that attachment that the wamens do. They can take all that MESS of family, kids and wage slavery and stick it up their ass! Now that I have found peace and contentment in life, I want to keep hold of it.

Spiritually... to fix the world is to destroy it. Same thing.

God created this Earth and everything in it (I accept you may disagree but if so let's call it Nature) and I don't like to tamper with the general settings. As if I am greater than God or Nature.

Actually the satanists ruling humankind are the ones trying to 'fix' the world - in their own eyes.

Granted one could say MGTOW are trying to fix the world, and I do believe MGTOW does serve a good purpose for humankind. But in my mind I am not trying to 'fix the world'. I would not presume to be so significant. I think my maker would laugh at me.

I just observe how best to live a meaningful, healthy and moral existence, skilfully avoiding evil and the many pitfalls of life. That means going my own way.

Originally Posted by happybachelor

You are assuming the 'solution' would work. What about unintended consequences?

But... How much worse do you think it could be than the current order of things? We are all here because we agree that the current situation is terrible. But reluctant to remove the source of our problems for fear of unintended consequence?

Originally Posted by happybachelor

What are you hoping to return to anyway, traditionalism?

A future where men can perfect their civilization, unencumbered by the destructive influence of women.

Originally Posted by happybachelor

Granted one could say MGTOW are trying to fix the world, and I do believe MGTOW does serve a good purpose for humankind.

At one point, men were considered to be "builders" and "fixers". At some point western culture abandoned this role, but I personally never did.

Loool, there are so many things wrong with this thing is that its hilarious, as pointed out by other members. I will add to the "strong reactions" you speak of.

Originally Posted by LizardPerson

What if the aliens say that this is important to their own security, and that they will do it whether you like it or not.
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3. Start an all out war that you have no chance of winning, against a technologically superior civilization, to protect the whimmenz

Yes. Definitely. Fight till death, MORIOR INVICTUS against a technologically superior civilization. I will consider that a duty at that point.

Why ?

No, not to save the women or anything, at that point it wont matter. The point is that they are stronger and are forcing their will.

But... How much worse do you think it could be than the current order of things? We are all here because we agree that the current situation is terrible. But reluctant to remove the source of our problems for fear of unintended consequence?

That is a matter of perspective. It can be much worse, just look into history.

A future where men can perfect their civilization, unencumbered by the destructive influence of women.

Right. A future where everything will be perfect....

At one point, men were considered to be "builders" and "fixers". At some point western culture abandoned this role, but I personally never did.

Me neither. I like to build and fix. I still do. Just don't give a shit about society at large because it's wasted life force.

I admire your spirit but I can tell you are young. I say this not to patronise but your outlook will likely change.

It is wrong to take hold of the world to 'improve' it. My maker would not approve.

By the way I prefer the world with women in it. A man only world would be bleak. Even if 'everything worked perfectly', I ain't a robot. I keep contact with a few women and they bring something to my life men cannot. None of which contradicts me GMOW, it complements it.

Originally Posted by LizardPerson

Without sex and sex drive, they are able to tightly control their population. No famine, no war, great stability, peace and prosperity. No women to act ike an anchor on men.

Tightly controlling the population may mean not waiting for me to die of a natural death, getting old and less productive. They may have a death planned for me. I won't want that. Maybe I just want to drink beer and fuck off in my old age.

Originally Posted by LizardPerson

By fixing us now, they will not have to deal with a completely fucked up, science experiment of a species with advanced technology in the future. An ounce of prevention is worth a megaton of interstellar war.

Aha! So they KNOW we will eventually reject what they're selling, enough to fight them off. I told you these aliens were up to something! LOL

Originally Posted by LizardPerson

This is perplexing. None of us live in a bubble. We all pay a lot of money to support the gynocracy. Given the chance to fix this once and for all, nobody wants to fix it? Why?

Ok, that's pretty good! You gave me pause here. At least to better see where you are positioned. I bet you went into this idea thinking it would be a slam dunk!

Originally Posted by LizardPerson

So nobody directly answered the question. Let's rephrase: Would you be willing to become a genderless species without sex organs, but otherwise the species is 100% male in every way, in exchange for never having to deal with another woman or finance her life?

If I said Yes to this, and women were gone, what's to stop some other variation of leech from taking First Place in the Mooch Olympics such that we all wake up and realize that we have merely shifted from having a vaginal Mooch to a non-vaginal Mooch? And so, because I am trying to think this out right now, you would view me as dodging the question?

What would this thread be if only a bunch of decisive Yes's and No's?

Originally Posted by LizardPerson

But reluctant to remove the source of our problems for fear of unintended consequence?

You bet, I'm reluctant to jump in quickly. I accuse women of not thinking things out, that they suck at Engineering. Why would I not try to Engineer this transition to the extent that I could? Some aliens are going to do it all for me, you say? What, like Daddy Gubmint?

Originally Posted by LizardPerson

A future where men can perfect their civilization,

Someone's definition of perfection is what I'm afraid of. What if I just wanted to drink beer and fuck off? Can I do that, while others pursue a perfection unencumbered by women? Or will I be seen as a non-vaginal Mooch in your tightly controlled society?

Originally Posted by rkspsm

Fight till death, MORIOR INVICTUS against a technologically superior civilization. I will consider that a duty at that point.

Why ?

No, not to save the women or anything, at that point it wont matter. The point is that they are stronger and are forcing their will.

I gotta go with rkspsm here.

Originally Posted by LizardPerson

The premise:

An advanced alien civilization visits Earth, starts a diplomatic relationship. They inform us that women are a mistake made by the alien civilization that created us (formerly known as "God").

They offer to fix the situation by:
1. Exterminating all women
2. Giving us technology to clone only the males with the best genes
3. Genetically engineering away our dicks

So, the question is, would you trade your dick in exchange for not having to deal with female bullshit ever again?

I love the deeply philosophical questions.

But seriously, I often have difficulty in figuring out what's best for ME, now how the hell am I supposed to know what's best for the world?

There are names for those type of people - politicians, despots and activists. Maybe they're all the one type.

Maybe I just want to drink beer and fuck off in my old age.

Excellent idea. My own retirement plan is the same; only addition is I'll have a massive dog to discourage youngsters from p*ssing me off.

Originally Posted by LizardPerson

So, the question is, would you trade your dick in exchange for not having to deal with female bullshit ever again?

Ok, it's the next day, I've slept some. Let's go at this again.

I think you chose the penis because it is sacred to a man, yes? And you expect to leverage MGTOW-ism against that? You rascal! LOL.

My penis allows me to urinate and masturbate. I can do those without women. Now, you're going to say that I'll still be able to urinate. And I'll say but I want to urinate standing up, my penis is a convenient hose attachment to which I have become accustomed.

If your question was, keep the penis and give up sexuality, I'd say..... OK. Lotsa guys are pretty much doing that already. The aliens would just be making it a standard.

Oh, wait, you said "Genetically engineering away our dicks" which means this would happen to the clones, over a period of time perhaps, but would not happen to me and other men currently in the world.

You wrote that, right?

OK, then I say Yes to your question, because I'll be keeping my dick and what it does. Ha, I'm grandfathered in! The clones will not have had a dick to care, I suppose.

But ya know, this means that, until all existing men die off, leaving just the clones, for a while we will have dickless men working alongside men with dicks. That's a lot of dicks walking around. And the latter will still have their sexuality, as always looking for an easy hole to fuck, especially when knowing these clones as men have less requirements than women for having a good time. The stigma of homosexuality evaporates when there is no heterosexuality, right?

I can just see the teasing and whistling at the construction site when the burly clones retreat to the sit-down porta-potties while others can whip it out behind a tree. No, I don't see a problem there! LOL.

The clones will see what the existing guys can do and will develop penis envy. Then, mark my words, they'll get to work on genetically cloning penises back into the world.

So, save us from this cycle of effort and retain that hose attachment in your thought experiment. So my brother clones can pee standing up. LOL

Drink beer and fuck off. My inalienable right as a man. I like.

If anyone has a problem with the fact that they have a dick, this is not the correct forum to be airing their castration fantasies. This forum has been there, done that, if anyone remembers Colin Combover.

Kindly take it to reddit, where beyond a doubt there is at least one sub where it will get a sympathetic hearing.

I haven't used the big stick for a long time, but I can see where this is heading. Thread closed.