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    Re: TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting!

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    I'm still getting my head around this. This is what it seems like to me.
    These women want the choice to be gay or trans. However they do not want men to have these same choices.

    Its all about taking away more choices from men. Not allowing men to escape the plantation by claiming gay or trans.

    When I first read this I was like WTF. Had a close look at it and concluded that its a further movement against men.

    Iv brought the thread back because I came across a recent clip about TERFS by Janice Fiamengo.
    I don't mind the old 2nd wave feminist anti-feminists. If u want to cut to the chase skip to her conclusion from about 16:45





    I knew it... That is their true motive... The same one its always been...
    These radical feminists as tryranical creatures that have only one agenda. To destroy men.
    Meanwhile all the clueless ones are scratching their heads wondering why the hell they just went through this public war for trannies and gays only to get this backlash now.

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    Re: TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting!

    American feminism has a lot of traces of Puritanism mixed in with Marxist thought which is why it was inevitable that they would start to side with TERFs. Only sex positive feminists are probably going to side with transsexuals here on out. But even then the sex positive feminists are not into ideological fights but pure hedonism and giving into animal instincts. I remember a debate I watched a uni between a sex positive feminist and a radfem years ago and it was literally a conservative vs liberal mindest. One argued for rules and order while the other advocated for freedom and chaos. Feminists are literally the other side of the same coin that tradcons present.

    The fundamental difference is to what degree do they hold female sexuality accountable? The way things are going the answer is nothing.

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    Re: TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting!

    An interesting post, Azure. Would you care to expand a little on the idea that there are traces of Puritanism in American feminism? I think the Marxist influence is readily enough visible and is talked about frequently. But this is the first time I have read a mention of the influence Puritanism may have on feminism.

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    Re: TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting!

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    An interesting post, Azure. Would you care to expand a little on the idea that there are traces of Puritanism in American feminism? I think the Marxist influence is readily enough visible and is talked about frequently. But this is the first time I have read a mention of the influence Puritanism may have on feminism.
    Puritanism in American feminism is a deep undercurrent that flows throughout American society. You see it also extended by Lutheran/Protestant/Baptist influences but the root of why most American feminists are not sex positive is that they treat sex as taboo and unholy. That is why radfems set up tribunals trying to discourage men from having sex on college campuses and why radfems consider dick into vagina sex as violence.

    Some Christian sects to this day treat sex as taboo while other Christian sects see it as a cornerstone of family building, showing love for your wife, and passing on traditions and their Christian values. Italy, Greece, and other European nations that are traditionally deeply Christian do not treat sex as taboo or even any form of nudity. Nudity and sex is seen as normal and not scandalous, violent, etc.

    Radfems in the US weaponize sex as a tool to coerce male supplication and by shaming men about it like Puritans used to do. Same radfems don't think highly of women sleeping around either as that is giving the Patriarchy what they want according to these same radfems.

    It is hard to tell the difference sometimes between American radfems and American conservative women. Where they clearly differ is on the issue of abortion but beyond that they both are interested in keeping sex and nudity taboo.

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    Re: TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting!

    Puritanism in American feminism is a deep undercurrent that flows throughout American society. You see it also extended by Lutheran/Protestant/Baptist influences but the root of why most American feminists are not sex positive is that they treat sex as taboo and unholy.
    It was brought over from England. Those Puritans weren't even welcomed in England, so they left for the 'new world'. But there are remnants of such culture in England as well. Think Victorian era, buttoned up type of evangelical Christianity.

    You're quite right about the nudity and human form topic. Most protestant churches have no statutes, no art. It looks like the catholic countries are more sex positive in this sense, but I am probably simplifying the matter too much.

    I have experienced though, I could meet an Italian feminist, but she wouldn't mind flirting, touching and kissing. Whereas the slightest sexual innuendo with an American, English feminist would make the scream RAPE!

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    Re: TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting!

    Puritans not welcome in England? Ha, I like that. Thanks Opaque. The American spin is they were forced to flee English oppression. Or something like that. There weren't many history buffs back in my high school. But I think I believe the English version this time.
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    Re: TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting!

    My experience with American women is that they do tend to be pretty straight laced in their own double think womanly way. A classic example of that is they will give head jobs thinking it doesn't count as sex or somehow makes them less slutty than girls that give up their pussy.

    My understanding is that the Pilgrims were kicked out of England because their religion was too hardcore, similar to why the Amish were kicked out of Europe.

    Although looking at Wikipedia it seems they left of their own free will because they wanted to build their own society away from England and Europe.
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    Re: TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting!

    Puritans not welcome in England?
    Well yea, it isn't something we study, but they carried out all manner of crimes, like breaking stained glass because they thought it was a 'roman' thing.

    Regardless, it seems that Puritan ideology is very anti - sex, but pro - war.

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    Re: TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting!

    My experience with American women is that they do tend to be pretty straight laced in their own double think womanly way. A classic example of that is they will give head jobs thinking it doesn't count as sex or somehow makes them less slutty than girls that give up their pussy.
    Yea this is quite fascinating. Sometimes I watch American TV, and I see a former stripper who becomes a 'born-again' christian and is know considered a somebody. Seems like American culture is 'pragmatic', maybe too 'pragmatic'.

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    Re: TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting!

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Yea this is quite fascinating. Sometimes I watch American TV, and I see a former stripper who becomes a 'born-again' christian and is know considered a somebody. Seems like American culture is 'pragmatic', maybe too 'pragmatic'.
    The "born-again" religion can be easily adopted by any charlatan or chameleon over here. There are few left who can and will point out the charletan's insincerity. The religion has become commercialized, little more than feel good entertainment, and strippers are entertainers.

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    Re: TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting!

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Well yea, it isn't something we study, but they carried out all manner of crimes, like breaking stained glass because they thought it was a 'roman' thing.

    Regardless, it seems that Puritan ideology is very anti - sex, but pro - war.
    The anti sex/pro war ideology definitely is a characteristic. I think it is connected to the austere, no frills mind set of no earthly pleasure allowed in one's life. It's the extreme opposite of hedonism.

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    Re: TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting!

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Yea this is quite fascinating. Sometimes I watch American TV, and I see a former stripper who becomes a 'born-again' christian and is know considered a somebody. Seems like American culture is 'pragmatic', maybe too 'pragmatic'.
    It is all very odd. I was reading an interview with the rock band "The Scorpions" and they were talking about the nude woman they had on one of their album covers and how it caused such a stir in America and only in America. They couldn't understand as it was only in America where they would have lots of women exposing their breasts to them!

    There is a lot of pragmatism in American culture I agree. Even the food is made/grown in a too efficient and cost effective way basically stripping any goodness out of it. One American woman I knew told me about a cruise she went on and how she hated the food, I asked her what they were serving and she told me it was prawns, fish, salads, like all the really good stuff she just wanted mac and cheese!

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    Re: TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting!

    Quote Originally Posted by Morlock View Post
    It is all very odd. I was reading an interview with the rock band "The Scorpions" and they were talking about the nude woman they had on one of their album covers and how it caused such a stir in America and only in America. They couldn't understand as it was only in America where they would have lots of women exposing their breasts to them!

    There is a lot of pragmatism in American culture I agree. Even the food is made/grown in a too efficient and cost effective way basically stripping any goodness out of it. One American woman I knew told me about a cruise she went on and how she hated the food, I asked her what they were serving and she told me it was prawns, fish, salads, like all the really good stuff she just wanted mac and cheese!
    Based upon my own observations, there is a strange preference for bland, boring food loaded with carbohydrates in America. The desire for microwavable mac and cheese (for those too lazy to boil water!) is widespread. The restaurants serve up more of the same. A few years ago, when I had just move into my neighborhood. I grew a lot of tomatoes and offered the excess to coworkers and neighbors. Responses ranged from rude rejection, to derision, to outright fear of me (and the tomatoes). I learned that other people in this neighborhood apparently fear/hate vegetables and view mac and cheese/all you can eat buffets/fast food as the only acceptable food. Thus the American woman's comments do not surprise me in the least.
    Once my relatives visited me, I made dinner and they complained that the food had too much flavor! They then went out and bought ice cream and cookies, which they devoured. Carbohydrate addiction is a powerful addiction, usually ignored in this country. I was once a carbohydrate junkie, I actually had the shakes when I went on a ketolytic diet for a couple of weeks.
    It is a measure of the hypocrisy and double standards that people get worked up over the chance that adults might see something that is routinely shown to almost every infant, a female breast. It's safe enough for a baby, but too dangerous for a male teenager to see? Seriously?

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    Re: TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting!

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    Based upon my own observations, there is a strange preference for bland, boring food loaded with carbohydrates in America. The desire for microwavable mac and cheese (for those too lazy to boil water!) is widespread. The restaurants serve up more of the same. A few years ago, when I had just move into my neighborhood. I grew a lot of tomatoes and offered the excess to coworkers and neighbors. Responses ranged from rude rejection, to derision, to outright fear of me (and the tomatoes). I learned that other people in this neighborhood apparently fear/hate vegetables and view mac and cheese/all you can eat buffets/fast food as the only acceptable food. Thus the American woman's comments do not surprise me in the least.
    Once my relatives visited me, I made dinner and they complained that the food had too much flavor! They then went out and bought ice cream and cookies, which they devoured. Carbohydrate addiction is a powerful addiction, usually ignored in this country. I was once a carbohydrate junkie, I actually had the shakes when I went on a ketolytic diet for a couple of weeks.
    It is a measure of the hypocrisy and double standards that people get worked up over the chance that adults might see something that is routinely shown to almost every infant, a female breast. It's safe enough for a baby, but too dangerous for a male teenager to see? Seriously?
    There is a fear of nature in America I am sure of it. Whether it is sex, women or food they like it quick and fake. I can really only enjoy home grown tomato's and cucumbers the ones from the store are just tasteless. Your neighbors are nuts!

    It took a while for a lot of American diner type food to come over here and initially I was excited until I tasted it and found it to be really bland. Even the sauces were very "meh".

    I saw a doco a while back on America and food. How the cows are fed corn which cows are not suited to eat how it fucks up their stomachs. Also how the milk is effected due to that. There is a fat in milk which actually helps burn fat but that is lacking in American milk. Anyway there was this man who was diabetic, a father. They are shopping and the daughter wants to buy vegetables but they are apparently too expensive, they need the extra money to buy the drugs for his diabetes. The irony was astounding so they all go out and buy cheap burgers.

    Some forms of diabetes can be reversed.

    Yes, breasts are just mounds of fat. No big deal even when they look nice. Teens can't see breasts but they can see violence and torture in films. Makes sense again. Not.

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    Re: TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting!

    I am sick of faggots.

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    Re: TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting!

    Quote Originally Posted by Morlock View Post
    There is a fear of nature in America I am sure of it. Whether it is sex, women or food they like it quick and fake. I can really only enjoy home grown tomato's and cucumbers the ones from the store are just tasteless. Your neighbors are nuts!

    It took a while for a lot of American diner type food to come over here and initially I was excited until I tasted it and found it to be really bland. Even the sauces were very "meh".

    I saw a doco a while back on America and food. How the cows are fed corn which cows are not suited to eat how it fucks up their stomachs. Also how the milk is effected due to that. There is a fat in milk which actually helps burn fat but that is lacking in American milk. Anyway there was this man who was diabetic, a father. They are shopping and the daughter wants to buy vegetables but they are apparently too expensive, they need the extra money to buy the drugs for his diabetes. The irony was astounding so they all go out and buy cheap burgers.

    Some forms of diabetes can be reversed.

    Yes, breasts are just mounds of fat. No big deal even when they look nice. Teens can't see breasts but they can see violence and torture in films. Makes sense again. Not.
    I agree, my neighbors are crazy, but well adapted to a crazy society. They think I am crazy for growing and eating fruits and vegetables. No one even offered to help me pick blueberries from my blueberry bushes. Strangely enough, I am almost the only person on my street without diabetes, coincidence? Yes, type II diabetes is almost always reversible and fairly quickly. I do recommend medical supervision for that, however.
    The old Puritanical values can still be seen. Sex is bad, but death and violence are good.

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    Re: TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting!

    One of things stopping TERFs from gaining traction in North America is that sex positive feminists can shame radfems by calling them tradcons which may not be 100% true but it is very close to the mark. You see this on a daily basis now with news stories how feminists are viciously critical each other or how pound me too leaders are having their own family members falsely accused. No one wins when everyone is a victim and everyone is blamed for all the troubles of this world.

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    I agree, my neighbors are crazy, but well adapted to a crazy society. They think I am crazy for growing and eating fruits and vegetables. No one even offered to help me pick blueberries from my blueberry bushes. Strangely enough, I am almost the only person on my street without diabetes, coincidence? Yes, type II diabetes is almost always reversible and fairly quickly. I do recommend medical supervision for that, however.
    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    The old Puritanical values can still be seen. Sex is bad, but death and violence are good.
    Growing and eating fruits and veggies is still a tradition in middle America aka flyover states.

    And yes it is one of the paradoxes of American gynocentrism in that sex is everywhere in advertising and conversations in America while at the same time taboo to display explicitly.


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