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    There is no spoon!

    Or – “What makes a red-pill man?”

    It seems to me that the answer to this for many of us probably lies in how you got here, and how far you’ve come. We are all at different stages with different viewpoints. A little introspection can be good for the soul.

    I, like many others, got here many years ago before the internet was really a thing. I suspect ALL narratives.

    For others their first contact with this way of thinking was through the internet, but much internet content has hidden motives which can deflect from what I consider to be the true red-pill way.

    I haven’t read any of the major philosophers’ works (Plato, Nietzsche, Jung etc.). No doubt I would find their musings of interest and might learn something but I feel that what they have to say may distract me from my own path.

    Neither do I watch the vids of red-pilled evangelists, for that is what many of them are, for similar reasons. But with these people it is more than that.

    Many of them are deceivers. What they see is a group of people that are questioning the narrative. They then seek to impose a narrative of their own. They seek validation of their own viewpoints however strange by trying to convince us to think like them. When you watch these vids do you apply the same scepticism that you apply to the blue-pill world? If not, why not? Are you possibly looking for answers?

    Whilst I understand others may disagree, for me, that is not the red-pill way. The red-pill is about deconstructing any and all narratives that others seek to impose.

    This fits in well with MGTOW. We don’t have to rely on the word of others, all we have to do is talk to any woman for long enough and we will see the evidence for ourselves first hand. We have also experienced first-hand the manipulations evident in the education system and the bias in the legal system. As for blaming feminism – whilst there is truth here it is nowhere near the whole story.

    This, however, is a far cry from trying to explain how the whole world works. Don’t be fooled by these evangelists that try to tell us how it is. Just because one narrative is flawed does not mean any competing narrative is less flawed. Often both are wrong:



    How many of us have watched all the Matrix movies? Quite a few I would imagine and many will agree that the first was great but the others – meh! But in the context of this discussion there is an important message at the end of the third movie, the part when Neo begins to be able to manipulate events in “The Real” the same as he was able to do whilst in the Matrix. His new narrative “The Real” was also an illusion.

    People like to think they know the truth about how the world really is – it makes them feel more secure, fair enough. But this is not the red-pill way, in fact to my mind it is the very antithesis of the red-pill. Realising you don’t know and never really can is the beginning.

    There is no spoon!
    Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far – West African proverb popularised by Teddy Roosevelt

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    Re: There is no spoon!

    I know that 2+2 is 4 and that women are hypergamous.
    If these are not truisms, then what are we all doing here.
    I went further and now understand something greater. Fair enough if you don't believe me, perception comes to each man at his own time.
    TRP simply describes a man or womans decision to stop assuming narratives are correct and seek the truth for him/herself. Therefore it's a journey, one man might be say 10% aware of most truths and another 12%. So if you're red pilled accept there is shit you don't know and others do.
    The beginning, is in fact realising you know something deep down, and seeking to verify or disprove it. That's how we all went from blue to red pill with regards to women and how the world sees us.
    Go your own way.
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    Re: There is no spoon!

    How the world works? It doesn't, we're the ones that work all the time fixing it!

    I'd hate to be the last man on earth, there's no way I could keep everything running! Especially with 3 billion angry women out for blood!

    As it is now, this society provides plenty of room for a man to quietly slip between the cracks!!!
    It's almost over...

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    Re: There is no spoon!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Or – “What makes a red-pill man?”
    I can answer what made me a red pilled man. The specific story I have already written in my intro for anyone to read, but here I suppose I should write something which can be read and understood and followed in a general sense. I am going to try to list them as borrowing a little bit from different mindsets/professions :

    1. Construction Engineer
    Walk the talk. More building and less talking. No castles in air. Dreaming is fine if its convertible to an executable plan.

    2. Conqueror
    Stop settling for the easy targets. Go out and seek excellence in your field. But WITHOUT building castles in air (see #1).

    3. Warrior
    Dont seek to avoid conflict. Seek to resolve it. A conflict avoided is a conflict postponed AND escalated. Conflict reveals the true form of a person. It becomes harder and harder to maintain a lying facade under a threat. Use it to strip the wolf from sheep's clothing.

    4. Detective
    Everyone is a suspect, especially the ones who ask you to feel this or that. Keep your feet on the ground and your head on the swivel. Keep asking questions and keep looking for answers.

    5. Judge
    The fittest narrative wins. The most probable argument wins. Adopt the winning strategy, or improve over it. Judgement should be made by DEMONSTRATION (see #1).

    6. A Corporate CEO
    Long term strategy over short term novelty. This adds up in life, and when the returns start pouring in, it beats any lost short term gains.

    7. Mathematician
    Ability to convey you ideas in a form that can stand on its own, like a proof. This eliminates the need to discuss your motives, alignments and your mental state when your ideas are analyzed. Your ideas are separate from you.

    8. Surgeon
    Attention to details. Dont try to skip or over-simplify things. Nature is complex, world is complex, human is complex. Simplification beyond what is necessary is dangerous.

    9. HR Manager
    Seek to form bonds with the best people you can find. You can use these traits to "score" or any other method. Do make sure that the method you using is the best method you can come up with or learn about (see #5).
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    Re: There is no spoon!

    How the world works? It doesn't, we're the ones that work all the time fixing it!
    How's it feel to be on permanent overtime for no extra pay?!
    Slaves can only dream, free men live their dreams.
    Life is as simplistic as it is complex. Man is so lost in the complexity that he has become stupid.

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    Re: There is no spoon!

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post

    How's it feel to be on permanent overtime for no extra pay?!
    I'm guessing it's like working 50 hrs. for no pay, but not as bad, or having a real estate market tumble due to poor governing and oligarchy thievery that steals a combined 20 years of effort and investment over night, or being told to go fuck yourself by the law that cannot help you when you get fucked.

    I don't like to cry poor me about having my shoes stolen, never know, I could be crying to someone with no feet.

    I thank god my time on earth to come is shorter than the time I've been here, the ugliness to come are the worst times man has ever endured, and we're only at the beginning of it.
    It's almost over...

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    Re: There is no spoon!

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    I thank god my time on earth to come is shorter than the time I've been here, the ugliness to come are the worst times man has ever endured, and we're only at the beginning of it.
    This ^.

    I truly believe that the upcoming generations have absolutely no idea what they're in for with all this P.C. and SJW shit that is being codified in law.

    I'm really glad I won't be around to see the worst of it. It's bad now, but there's more to come. And it will be nasty, even by today's standards.
    Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far – West African proverb popularised by Teddy Roosevelt

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    Re: There is no spoon!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    This ^.

    I truly believe that the upcoming generations have absolutely no idea what they're in for with all this P.C. and SJW shit that is being codified in law.

    I'm really glad I won't be around to see the worst of it. It's bad now, but there's more to come. And it will be nasty, even by today's standards.
    According to scripture, in the end days, 7 women will share 1 man. (leaving the other 6 men going their own way!)

    That's right, we're part of a biblical prophecy in the end days! We've been foretold 20 centuries ago!
    It's almost over...

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    Re: There is no spoon!

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    According to scripture, in the end days, 7 women will share 1 man.
    Sounds like bliss to my younger mind. I get to shag 7 women on a regular basis? Bring it on...

    Except, knowing my luck I'd be left with the knuckle-dragging trolls. Maybe not then!
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    Re: There is no spoon!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Sounds like bliss to my younger mind. I get to shag 7 women on a regular basis? Bring it on...

    Except, knowing my luck I'd be left with the knuckle-dragging trolls. Maybe not then!
    It's not like that, it means 1 out of seven men are utterly stupid and are willing to pay the price to satisfy their urge! It's getting like that already, finding single women is just as easy as finding single men, marriage is fast becoming the anomaly while the State run manless family has become the norm.
    This toxic culture and corrupt law tore the teeth off my sprockets and broke the chain 24 years ago! I've been coasting ever since! Don't give a fuck about anything!
    It's almost over...

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    Re: There is no spoon!

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    It's not like that, it means 1 out of seven men are utterly stupid and are willing to pay the price to satisfy their urge!
    Yes!!!! And is it "Share one man" meant to share his wealth? I don't have a bible handy and really care factor is low because it will NOT be me... If population is meant to be equal the 6 other men maybe died or maimed in war? Or just a combination including checking out because of the abuse of his personal power/wealth (MGTOW). What ever it's going to be, it has a ways to go yet. I still see the 1 to 1 ratio pushed, 7 to 1 ratio has got a few more rounds to go around the toilet bowl before it gets there... In that 7 will be included 65+ yr old hag the can hardly walk because she didn't look after herself when she had youth and means to prepare for the future... "If you loved me you would look after my mummy and my aunt, and my drug addicted sister and my lesbian lover and my....." I think you can see what I'm trying to get across.... It will never be 7 virgins pure as morning snow!!!! You can't find one of them over the age of 16 now, like hell you will ever get 7 in one place in the future...

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    Re: There is no spoon!

    Quote Originally Posted by RustyNuts View Post
    Yes!!!! And is it "Share one man" meant to share his wealth? I don't have a bible handy and really care factor is low because it will NOT be me... If population is meant to be equal the 6 other men maybe died or maimed in war? Or just a combination including checking out because of the abuse of his personal power/wealth (MGTOW). What ever it's going to be, it has a ways to go yet. I still see the 1 to 1 ratio pushed, 7 to 1 ratio has got a few more rounds to go around the toilet bowl before it gets there... In that 7 will be included 65+ yr old hag the can hardly walk because she didn't look after herself when she had youth and means to prepare for the future... "If you loved me you would look after my mummy and my aunt, and my drug addicted sister and my lesbian lover and my....." I think you can see what I'm trying to get across.... It will never be 7 virgins pure as morning snow!!!! You can't find one of them over the age of 16 now, like hell you will ever get 7 in one place in the future...
    Could mean social support structures will have 6 men contributing to her state mandated bastard support while the other 1 dude heard about MGTOW and never got caught in the web spun by her and government! Any way you look at it, it spells relief for me! I'm not hitched to that debacle!

    It reminds me of a friend of mine that got killed hitting a tree doing 65mp running from the cops! He was 14, I was 15 walking home from school and he pulled up and offered to go cruising in a stolen car, I told him no and refused to get in, and told him and everyone there he's gonna kill himself and I didn't want to die, that was 2:30, by 6:00 PM he was dead.
    I had women in my life that struck me the same way, I knew they would be the death of me as sure as I did that day I refused a ride. Call it what you will, perhaps intuition or something else, I can feel doom when it's in the cards I'm playing and I chose to fold.

    I stepped in allot of shit for one lifetime but I certain I've avoided untold misery and even death by listening to the voice of reason, and when I couldn't hear that voice, trusting my instincts.
    It's almost over...

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    Re: There is no spoon!

    My epiphany came when interacting with family members regarding my future as soon as a turned 30. Let me save you from giving you the long story by giving you the abridged version. Don't do it. Trust yourself as a man and plan your own future and control your destiny.

    I knew most of what I learned in school was garbage. But when I really went deep into how the world truly is structured after finishing my degree and becoming homeowner that is when I realized all of it is a sham.

    Don't follow the herd off the cliff. Do your research and trust your instincts. If you are confident as a man to accomplish something? You will.

    Also since I am older now I realize that you can't waste your time trying to chase windmills or trying to fix things every time someone else decides to crap the bed or doesn't want to take responsibility. Let them and turn the page.

    Basically if a situation is bad your odds of turning the page and moving on means you will be better for it. The upside is greater than the downside of sticking around to see them drag you down to their level.

    Once as a man you are beyond the below average level of mediocrity you don't want to go back and will fight tooth and nail to avoid that malaise.

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    Re: There is no spoon!

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    It's getting like that already, finding single women is just as easy as finding single men, marriage is fast becoming the anomaly while the State run manless family has become the norm.
    And they realised this some time ago. This is why in many jurisdictions just co-habiting is now legally considered marriage.

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    Re: There is no spoon!

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    How the world works? It doesn't, we're the ones that work all the time fixing it!

    I'd hate to be the last man on earth, there's no way I could keep everything running! Especially with 3 billion angry women out for blood!

    As it is now, this society provides plenty of room for a man to quietly slip between the cracks!!!
    The world doesn't work.

    The world just "is."

    Men built a world of a things and systems to make women safe and comfortable.

    It is men who invented sewer systems, and street lights/traffic lights, refrigeration, washing machines, microwave ovens.

    The day "Atlas shrugs," the day men decide it isn't worth it, the bottom 50% of women die, the top 10% of women wind up in a warlord's seraglio, and half the women die in die in childbirth.

    The world doesn't work. Men work....to make it easier for women to live in.

    Remember the line from Fight Club that ends with "We guard you while you sleep. Do...NOT...f@ck...with us."
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: There is no spoon!

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    According to scripture, in the end days, 7 women will share 1 man. (leaving the other 6 men going their own way!)

    That's right, we're part of a biblical prophecy in the end days! We've been foretold 20 centuries ago!
    Our modern Nanny State does have 7 women sharing the wealth of one man.

    Average tax paying, blue pill man will support

    - one woman through dating,
    - another woman through marriage,
    - several welfare queens
    - and the widow who works her beta-male provider to death, outlives him by 7-12 years, and collects on his social security survivorship

    It "takes a village" of beta male, law abiding, blue pill tax payers to keep modern women "oppressed" in a lifestyle of idleness, narcissism, electronic gossip, sloth, empty calories, and solipsism that would have been envied by the Marie Antoinette.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: There is no spoon!

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    The world doesn't work.

    The world just "is."

    Men built a world of a things and systems to make women safe and comfortable.

    It is men who invented sewer systems, and street lights/traffic lights, refrigeration, washing machines, microwave ovens.

    The day "Atlas shrugs," the day men decide it isn't worth it, the bottom 50% of women die, the top 10% of women wind up in a warlord's seraglio, and half the women die in die in childbirth.

    The world doesn't work. Men work....to make it easier for women to live in.

    Remember the line from Fight Club that ends with "We guard you while you sleep. Do...NOT...f@ck...with us."
    Rest assured, brother sam, women have been granted independence and now they face the challenges of working all their lives!

    There was a time when women went shopping, watched TV, and kept a home clean, about 4 hours of work and the rest of the day was hers to do with it as she pleased.

    They're moving up in in this world! Alcoholism, smoking related illnesses, work place hazards, stress, loneliness, can't make ends meet, they got everything they asked for and now they're miserable and their lives complete.

    Then look at us, free from all social expectations so long as we don't cohabitate, impregnate, marry, and more restrictions to come as the grips of law clench tighter and tighter forcing us in a position of serfdom without relief, or reprieve. I added socializing to those restrictions so I can keep myself safe and secure from invasive intrusion with unpredictable outcomes and ramifications.

    As far as I'm concerned, I'm north of the freedom border where their laws can't reach me! I've seen too much injustice in the name of justice to ever trust or confide in the law.
    It's almost over...


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