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    Re: Should we re-examine the open borders policy for new members?

    I think i didn't have to do a verification, probably never would've.
    I despise low effort unintelligible post, but i think most people here are pretty decent. Also from my understanding verifications would make it hard for trolls but not impossible? might just be the double edged sword of freedom on a forum.

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    Re: Should we re-examine the open borders policy for new members?

    Yeah, the verification is kind of a chore. That's partly why I suggested reducing the requirements -- not eliminating them, just relaxing them a bit.

    But whatever the admins and mods want to do is fine with me. I'm just a backseat driver.

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    Re: Should we re-examine the open borders policy for new members?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell View Post
    As long as we're talking about how to move forward, I would suggest that the requirements, if they are re-instituted, be relaxed a bit.

    While I appreciate the need to keep out trolls and people who might want to undermine the site, I thought the original screening process was a bit tight.

    It was almost like a purity test. Are you a "real" MGTOW? No? Then you shall not pass! Into the abyss with you!







    Maybe we can relax the requirements a little, make them a little less stringent. Perhaps we don't need to disallow people who are not dyed-in-the-wool MGTOW but instead are just leaning in that direction yet not fully committed?

    It's nice to have a MGTOW space after all the shutdowns, but we don't really benefit from an echo chamber, either, where all we hear are opinions that reinforce what we already believe. Discussions are better when there is a diversity of opinion.

    I'm not saying relax the standards completely. I'm just saying maybe loosen them a little.
    I delayed writing my intro as I was busy but also I was forming what to write. It isn't that easy and I get that it isn't supposed to be but as I was writing it I was thinking "Is this even going to be accepted?"

    I would describe myself as Red Pill even Black pill at times but my experiences aren't the typical and even now my views aren't always exactly the same as others even within MGTOW.

    I'm for a more open approach as long as obvious Trolls are booted which of course they are anyway.

    Strict entry rules doesn't have to mean impossible.
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    Re: Should we re-examine the open borders policy for new members?

    I am fine with intro requirements. Just has to address the key points like what made them find mgtow, what was their turning point and their experiences with the world. Doesn't have to be lengthy like it was in the old days.

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    Re: Should we re-examine the open borders policy for new members?

    I'd like to vote for some form of minimal Intro before users are allowed to post.

    I would highlight that the current free passage simply allows and encourages trolls and spammers to drown the forum in worthless posts, and they know it, as can be seen by this post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Boohda gyow is trash View Post
    Wow, you pussy little faggots banned me for just saying that Prenups arn't worthless. Go ahead and say I am not MGTOW because I am not a pussy little beta faggot like you guys who run these forums. Maybe I will just use temp emails and spam your weak ass little admins here to show you how stupid you are in thinking you can stop my voice. Or maybe I will just leave you to wallow in your own filth and delusion where you don't even know what a prenup is. Just don't say I am a beta SIMP to my face like you pussies are, actually, if you do see me please try too, I would love to see how many syllabols you can utter before I knock you out. I have 23 confirmed kills in Iraq, pretty please talk shit to my face, I beg you, pretty please with a cherry on top. Because you know, your so hard core MGTOW while I am just a beta bitch, even though I am the one who has been living it for years. LOL, see ya faggots, get fucked.

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    Re: Should we re-examine the open borders policy for new members?

    I'm against the intro requirement. I would never have started to post if an intro was required.

    The way it is now is good. You can get a flavor of the poster when they first come on board and if you sense some troll factor, then you can then have them post an intro or answer some questions.

    Judge the posts not the poster.

    Lots of times, I hide the left side names and read the posts based on the quality of the content.

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    Re: Should we re-examine the open borders policy for new members?

    I am also part of the Reddit/Ruqqus purge (it's incredible what Conde Nast has turned Reddit into, it's overtly alt feminist), but I just joined here this week. It took this long to realize I legit haven't had anywhere to express masculine feelings openly so did a search for "MGTOW forum" and found this.

    I actually bet there are many more that the repression hasn't hit a tipping point yet that they search for a new forum, it was a relief to find this place be active with an honest male perspective.

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    Re: Should we re-examine the open borders policy for new members?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bond View Post
    I am also part of the Reddit/Ruqqus purge (it's incredible what Conde Nast has turned Reddit into, it's overtly alt feminist), but I just joined here this week. It took this long to realize I legit haven't had anywhere to express masculine feelings openly so did a search for "MGTOW forum" and found this.

    I actually bet there are many more that the repression hasn't hit a tipping point yet that they search for a new forum, it was a relief to find this place be active with an honest male perspective.
    Welcome Bond.

    Since you're relatively new, could you help contribute your valuable insight:
    (i) Do you think it would be fair to ask for an Introduction before one is allowed to participate in the main forum?

    (ii) Would having an Introduction requirement have put you off from joining?

    Edit to add: (iii) Would you be for or against an Introduction requirement for new members?

    Many thanks in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith79 View Post
    I'd like to vote for some form of minimal Intro before users are allowed to post.

    I would highlight that the current free passage simply allows and encourages trolls and spammers to drown the forum in worthless posts, and they know it, as can be seen by this post:

    ".... I would love to see how many syllabols you can utter before I knock you out. I have 23 confirmed kills in Iraq..."
    lol. What a badass. It reminds me that trolls can be good for a laugh sometimes.

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    Re: Should we re-examine the open borders policy for new members?

    https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgto...66/#post173335

    Ok I have decided now, yes it needs to be stricter in some way, not impossible but perhaps a posting limit until Intro approved?

    And yes I also reported thread.

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    Re: Should we re-examine the open borders policy for new members?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgto...66/#post173335

    Ok I have decided now, yes it needs to be stricter in some way, not impossible but perhaps a posting limit until Intro approved?

    And yes I also reported thread.
    That my take too. If guys really want a reliable place to exchange ideas, it should require a modicum of effort. Most trolls are far too lazy to comply with even the most basic requirements.

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    Re: Should we re-examine the open borders policy for new members?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toolband89 View Post
    That my take too. If guys really want a reliable place to exchange ideas, it should require a modicum of effort. Most trolls are far too lazy to comply with even the most basic requirements.
    If we did return to requiring intros, you wouldn't have to tell your life story or talk about anything you don't want to. That's how it used to be anyway.

    We just need enough honesty to make a guess as to rather you're for real. As TB 89 says, most trolls are too lazy. Even when they do try, they can't do it. Women are incapable of putting themselves in our shoes and they suck at attempting to be men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epictetus View Post
    I think i didn't have to do a verification, probably never would've.
    I despise low effort unintelligible post, but i think most people here are pretty decent. Also from my understanding verifications would make it hard for trolls but not impossible? might just be the double edged sword of freedom on a forum.
    That's true. A really determined troll could just type up a normal-sounding intro, and then once promoted to the main boards unleash all their crap. An intro requirement would stop all the whimsical trolls out for instant satisfaction, but it wouldn't stop a determined troll.

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    Re: Should we re-examine the open borders policy for new members?

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    That's true. A really determined troll could just type up a normal-sounding intro, and then once promoted to the main boards unleash all their crap. An intro requirement would stop all the whimsical trolls out for instant satisfaction, but it wouldn't stop a determined troll.
    In theory it could be done. But so far, it doesn't look like they've succeeded.

    Five years ago, some troll, or a small group of trolls really tried to get in. They posted multiple intros every week for probably two months. Maybe we were lucky. But in the end, they just couldn't pull off pretending to be men.
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    Re: Should we re-examine the open borders policy for new members?

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    That's true. A really determined troll could just type up a normal-sounding intro, and then once promoted to the main boards unleash all their crap. An intro requirement would stop all the whimsical trolls out for instant satisfaction, but it wouldn't stop a determined troll.
    They could but how often would they do that? At the moment I would bet it is the same person joining, posting shit and getting banned then repeating the process over and over. If you had to write an intro (even if it is copy and paste) then wait for approval before posting before unleashing Troll posts only to get banned. How often would someone really go through that?

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    Re: Should we re-examine the open borders policy for new members?

    We live in other people's head rent free. Awesome!

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    Interesting thread and I appreciate the variations in opinions expressed here.

    In the minds of many I am so associated with processing Intros that I suspect I am viewed as being steadfastly pro-Intro. Rather, one should see me as pro-quality. I like above-average places and things. I like being above-average. It's a great feeling. I like doing above-average work, being seen by coworkers and superiors as above-average.

    Like others, I have seen a change here. Recently, I saw in one day a series of threads, each asking a question to which one would figure that a MGTOW would have known the answer by now. Are they MGTOW? Are they bored, looking for anybody to talk to them? I thought to myself, "Gee, are we starting over?"

    The Intro as a requirement was intended to preserve quality on this site. But, it is now optional. I have read here and elsewhere that people do not like doing an Intro, even if optional. You are not alone. As Admin, I was privy to the fact that over 800 registrants in the last couple of years preferred to have their newly-opened accounts closed (be banned) than do an Intro. That's a lot of people we did not get as members when our Intro was mandatory.

    But, I contemplate what the Intro asks for versus what could be the reasons for not providing what it asks for. So, let me please get some thoughts off of my mind as a fellow who has processed many Intros. To those who won't do an Intro, I gently ask, are you even aware of what we seek to know about you (as you remain anonymous)? Let me go through it here:

    1) We ask to give us examples of how women burned you. Maybe only one good example, if you're reluctant or shy. If you've had no experience with women, then you say that.

    2) We ask how you became MGTOW. When/how did you get fed up with emotional relationships with women and said No More?

    3) And then we ask about your hobbies and activities. This is always interesting and sometimes members who share your hobbies and activities find it nice and may chat with you about it, even if they do so indirectly by opening a thread on the topic.

    Are any of those questions really so difficult to answer? And, if you are holding that information back, staying under the radar, then what can we expect from your time here? Can we expect from you a series of noncommittal, mediocre posts? If there are non-MGTOW people who have sneaked into this site, so easy to do in our new Intro-optional environment, they will also try to fly under the radar by giving us noncommittal, mediocre posts. Do you wish to be indistinguishable from those people in everyone's eyes? And what does that mean? Does it mean that we can expect over time an increase in the level of unknown people here who post once in a while? Are we destined into a very slow march to becoming an average site? You know, perhaps like the site you left.

    Shifting gears for a moment, in the USA, the state of California, as I understand it, is mostly populated by proud liberals who vote for liberal policies and liberal politicians. Over time, their liberal decisions have collectively turned that state into a place that some/many liberals can no longer tolerate and so these same people are moving themselves to conservative states such as Texas and Florida. The fear is that these liberal people have learned nothing about what destroyed California and will continue to practice their liberal ways in their destination states, in theory eventually bringing to their new home the same crap from which they fled. I understand that fear, as I lived in Arizona for many years, a retirement state that receives people from all over, and I witnessed how transplants would want to bring qualities from their home state with them to Arizona.

    Borrowing from what I wrote above, for those of you who were in exodus, how were you like on the site you left? Were you hidden, anonymous, a bit of a wallflower perhaps? And why are those sites no more? Did they not try to keep themselves above-average? I don't know, and I could be completely off-the-mark to suggest that, but now that you are here, can you please help us in this small way by investing in us in the form of a voluntary Intro?

    Is it stubbornness that holds you back? Do you resist authority in any form? We are fellow MGTOW here, same as you, trying to provide a site that will sustain while others disappear.

    Do you fear failing the Intro? Well, now that it is optional, there is no pass/fail to it, unless you say something really bad. Guys who cordially answered the questions, as asked, always sailed right through. That can be you. Again, this time there is no pass/fail.

    The pendulum right now is swinging on the side of optional Intros. It is my hope to see participation rise above the familiar average waterline where many new members are seemingly most comfortable.

    Thank you.
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    Re: Should we re-examine the open borders policy for new members?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Interesting thread and I appreciate the variations in opinions expressed here.

    In the minds of many I am so associated with processing Intros that I suspect I am viewed as being steadfastly pro-Intro. Rather, one should see me as pro-quality. I like above-average places and things. I like being above-average. It's a great feeling. I like doing above-average work, being seen by coworkers and superiors as above-average.

    Like others, I have seen a change here. Recently, I saw in one day a series of threads, each asking a question to which one would figure that a MGTOW would have known the answer by now. Are they MGTOW? Are they bored, looking for anybody to talk to them? I thought to myself, "Gee, are we starting over?"

    The Intro as a requirement was intended to preserve quality on this site. But, it is now optional. I have read here and elsewhere that people do not like doing an Intro, even if optional. You are not alone. As Admin, I was privy to the fact that over 800 registrants in the last couple of years preferred to have their newly-opened accounts closed (be banned) than do an Intro. That's a lot of people we did not get as members when our Intro was mandatory.

    But, I contemplate what the Intro asks for versus what could be the reasons for not providing what it asks for. So, let me please get some thoughts off of my mind as a fellow who has processed many Intros. To those who won't do an Intro, I gently ask, are you even aware of what we seek to know about you (as you remain anonymous)? Let me go through it here:

    1) We ask to give us examples of how women burned you. Maybe only one good example, if you're reluctant or shy. If you've had no experience with women, then you say that.

    2) We ask how you became MGTOW. When/how did you get fed up with emotional relationships with women and said No More?

    3) And then we ask about your hobbies and activities. This is always interesting and sometimes members who share your hobbies and activities find it nice and may chat with you about it, even if they do so indirectly by opening a thread on the topic.

    Are any of those questions really so difficult to answer? And, if you are holding that information back, staying under the radar, then what can we expect from your time here? Can we expect from you a series of noncommittal, mediocre posts? If there are non-MGTOW people who have sneaked into this site, so easy to do in our new Intro-optional environment, they will also try to fly under the radar by giving us noncommittal, mediocre posts. Do you wish to be indistinguishable from those people in everyone's eyes? And what does that mean? Does it mean that we can expect over time an increase in the level of unknown people here who post once in a while? Are we destined into a very slow march to becoming an average site? You know, perhaps like the site you left.

    Shifting gears for a moment, in the USA, the state of California, as I understand it, is mostly populated by proud liberals who vote for liberal policies and liberal politicians. Over time, their liberal decisions have collectively turned that state into a place that some/many liberals can no longer tolerate and so these same people are moving themselves to conservative states such as Texas and Florida. The fear is that these liberal people have learned nothing about what destroyed California and will continue to practice their liberal ways in their destination states, in theory eventually bringing to their new home the same crap from which they fled. I understand that fear, as I lived in Arizona for many years, a retirement state that receives people from all over, and I witnessed how transplants would want to bring qualities from their home state with them to Arizona.

    Borrowing from what I wrote above, for those of you who were in exodus, how were you like on the site you left? Were you hidden, anonymous, a bit of a wallflower perhaps? And why are those sites no more? Did they not try to keep themselves above-average? I don't know, and I could be completely off-the-mark to suggest that, but now that you are here, can you please help us in this small way by investing in us in the form of a voluntary Intro?

    Is it stubbornness that holds you back? Do you resist authority in any form? We are fellow MGTOW here, same as you, trying to provide a site that will sustain while others disappear.

    Do you fear failing the Intro? Well, now that it is optional, there is no pass/fail to it, unless you say something really bad. Guys who cordially answered the questions, as asked, always sailed right through. That can be you. Again, this time there is no pass/fail.

    The pendulum right now is swinging on the side of optional Intros. It is my hope to see participation rise above the familiar average waterline where many new members are seemingly most comfortable.

    Thank you.
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