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    Post Ruqqus announces its demise; in 30 days it will be become a static site; in 120 days they will wipe the database

    Reposted from: Ruqqus is finished - MGTOW on Win (communities.win)

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    End of an Era

    It is with a heavy heart that we are announcing the difficult decision to close Ruqqus. It has been a wild ride, but that ride has now come to an end.
    Ruqqus was always a hobby project for us, a side hustle that we care deeply about. Unfortunately, our life situations have slowly changed over the last few years, and we are simply no longer able to dedicate the time and effort into running Ruqqus the way we have in the past. We appreciate everyone who contributed content, code, and votes to our little porpl gem of a site. We would not have had nearly as much fun without you.
    Our deeper goal, aside from running an alternative social media site, was to write a framework that anyone can pick up and use to launch their own platform. With eight different sites using Ruqqus code, I'd say we succeeded. Even though the Ruqqus project has come to its natural conclusion, the spirit lives on.
    Here is what to expect in the coming days:

    • Effective immediately, Coin sales are disabled. We will also refund any purchases made within the last two weeks.
    • Effective immediately, the Ruqqus source code license is being changed to LGPL. (No impact to existing forks unless you choose to update).
    • In one week, we will put Ruqqus into read-only mode. At the same time, we will make the API open-access, allowing anyone to download site content in JSON format.
    • In thirty days, we will replace ruqqus.com with a static site, detailing the steps necessary to launch your own Ruqqus clone. We will also close i.ruqqus.com.
    • The Ruqqus discord server and SaaS server will remain as-is.
    • In 120 days, we will purge and destroy the ruqqus.com database (a necessary step to protect user privacy).

    Thank you to everyone.
    -The admins.

    ___________________

    Comments from .WIN forums sum the news up well:

    -TheSilverShade>> good after turning their back on free speech. they deserve it.
    despite all that they've learned nothing they said :
    "In short, we fell victim to our own naive idealism. We allowed nazis and incels to destroy the site, because we believed that stopping them would be compromising our promise of free speech. In hindsight, we should have cut them out sooner."
    yes Ruqqus admins. one of your biggest guilds never had sex at all... especially those who have kids and possibly on child support. They in fact never had sex at all. God gave them their child. /s
    imagine being this delusional. They're doing it Reddit style - oversimplifying a complex situation so it "magically" fits what they want to believe.


    -WinterDragon>> Good riddance to that wannabe Reddit clone. They sealed their fate by selling out and banning free speech as soon as they got a shred of real attention.


    -30203forever>> They could have shut down their services honorably & BEFORE banning MGTOW which they themselves invited only one week earlier. So good riddance to that trash heap, lol.
    P.S. Personally, I consider any anti-free speech website like Reddit, Twitter, Facebook etc. to be finished NO MATTER how commercially successful they might be. That's because I'm not interested in communicating with the NPC sheeple over there whatsoever...

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    Re: Ruqqus announces its demise; in 30 days it will be become a static site; in 120 days they will wipe the database

    Comments from Ruqqus thread:

    RandPaul>> I honestly don't understand. You guys were on fire for a while there. Why? With the users you had before the banning's you could have made a decent chunk of change just selling killery T shirts on here.

    ruqqus>> In short, we fell victim to our own naive idealism. We allowed nazis and incels to destroy the site, because we believed that stopping them would be compromising our promise of free speech. In hindsight, we should have cut them out sooner.



    Madje, Guildsmith>> What he just said is false. What happened to Ruqqus is utterly incompetent, ungrateful, and condescending leadership. Literally, all these guys can do is code - no other function.


    captainmeta4 cannot talk to Ruqqus userbase about anything other than an update without insulting them. He has none of the skills of a leader, ceo, or frontman. He's the kind of guy that needs to be hidden away, locked in an office, and prevented from ever interacting with the public because he simply cannot. Yet, he was leading the show - he was telling users "your opinions don't matter," he was appointing himself guildmaster and changing guild settings, he was banning people from official Ruqqus guilds because he didn't like their on-topic posts.


    kek is a follower poorly imitating what he's read in tech magazines and journals. He is young and unable to acknowledge captainmeta4's poor leadership or synthesize what it means.


    Arkitect has been MIA almost the entire time, but I suspect he just goes along with whatever it is captainmeta4 is doing.


    All of them completely and utterly refuse to acknowledge the role they played and the ultimate responsibility they bare for the events that led to the failure of Ruqqus as a social media platform. They did this every step of the way and they still do it. They will make excuses that look like they were ripped from poorly written press statements, they will blame their early adopting userbase, they will lie. But, Ruqqus failed this early on - despite initial excitement - for no reason other than how they behaved and the choices they made.


    That, in a nutshell is what killed Ruqqus, but more specifically, there's this;


    1. The admins were only interested in suggestions and feedback from a relatively small group of Ruqqus Discord users. These users differ/differed significantly from the average Ruqqus user and actively despised them. They would antagonize Ruqqus users via brigading, guild seiging, general harassment, and "feature" and policy suggestions that you'd think would be very questionable on their face - but, apparently not to Ruqqus admins. As you'd hopefully not expect, Ruqqus admins enabled this behavior by refusing to address brigading entirely, preemptively telling Ruqqus Discord about the bans of guildmasters (which enabled Ruqqus Discord members to seige and subvert entire communities before actual members of the guild could do anything about it), allowing and partaking in the harassment and name-calling of users they didn't like, and implementing "features" and policies that were counter to their initial "free speech" and "if it's legal, it's allowed" premises. Yet, when users reacted, the admins shit on them harder and told them it was their fault.


    2. The admins outright refused to accept their niche, they thought they could compete with Reddit on apolitical content, and they refused to market Ruqqus at all (primarily because carpathianflorist said marketing Ruqqus and/or trying to get more people to hear about it was stupid). But, it makes sense, right? You yourselves are allegedly right-wingers and you have a right-wing niche, so it might be productive to at least try to make Ruqqus known to other right-wingers (the people it already appeals to and who are actively looking for a place to go because of ban waves) via sharing about it on right-wing forums, the comment sections of right-wing youtubers and podcasters, you might even try to get some personalities to mention your new social media platform, right? But, no. The admins were oddly obsessed with keeping right-wingers off the site, "containing" their current userbase, and "getting more left-wing and apolitical content" (which would've come naturally with more users in general) - they were obsessed with making another Reddit "but without censorship." And for whatever reason, they thought carpathianflorist - openly authoritarian left-winger and "drama connoisseur" was the guy to listen to.


    Now, Ruqqus was created as a reaction to the massing banning of right-wing and anti-woke communities on Reddit and so, that's who predominantly came to Ruqqus. Yet, the majority of the Ruqqus Discord users who had any meaningful say or rapport with the admins were left-wing (especially the leader, carpathianflorist) or "i-wanna-be-nice" type republicans; literally liquid food for thought.


    They don't want to talk about it and keep making up excuses because they look stupid for the whole thing.

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    Re: Ruqqus announces its demise; in 30 days it will be become a static site; in 120 days they will wipe the database

    It's good that these platforms destroy themselves, it gets people out of their habit forming comfort zones and on the move to better places, it divides the consolidated whole into much smaller fractions that collect where they may, as they do here and other sites that are lifeboats of free speech speaking ill of tyranny instead of tolerating it.

    It's jubilee watching ruthless dictators fall from grace and power! I saw all this before in the 1970s' when feminism had its first bout with society. Then like now, I ask you, how many women insist on being called by the prefix "Mizz"?

    Then, like now, they're being buried alive by mutual ignorance, like locking screaming maniac in a rubber room and leaving the insane asylum.

    History always repeats itself because human nature is human nature.

    I still haven't restored my You-Tube channel and left nit-Twitter at the same time!

    This is better than watching the breakup of Standard Oil and the Bell System at the same time, and we didn't need antitrust prosecution to achieve it, we simply sat back and watched them shoot themselves point-blank dead-center in the head!

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    Re: Ruqqus announces its demise; in 30 days it will be become a static site; in 120 days they will wipe the database

    Well, that's good. I thought they were "cleaning up" in order to sell the thing. But I guess they just imploded. I'm not a vengeful guy, but it's satisfying to watch it fail, so soon after they stumbled over themselves mismanaging the mgtow guild (and many others). Judging by those quotes, there was a basic failure to adhere to their founding "principles." They allowed themselves to get pushed around by the very forces they pretended to oppose.

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    Re: Ruqqus announces its demise; in 30 days it will be become a static site; in 120 days they will wipe the database

    Honestly they had such a good opportunity and they really fucked it up. They had a well constructed site that was considered the primary Reddit alternative and was almost destined to grow as the Reddit admins became more zealous. Yet they totally dropped the ball.

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    Re: Ruqqus announces its demise; in 30 days it will be become a static site; in 120 days they will wipe the database

    Interesting to see the win site flourishing. I didn't see much activity over there, after the Reddit ban, but it's really picked up lately. I joined votal, but that went belly up (anyone know what happened?).

    So I guess this forum and the win site will be my MGTOW hangouts. I'm a member of Joker's community, too, although they tend to talk politics more than MGTOW over there.

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    Re: Ruqqus announces its demise; in 30 days it will be become a static site; in 120 days they will wipe the database

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell View Post
    Interesting to see the win site flourishing. I didn't see much activity over there, after the Reddit ban, but it's really picked up lately. I joined votal, but that went belly up (anyone know what happened?).

    So I guess this forum and the win site will be my MGTOW hangouts. I'm a member of Joker's community, too, although they tend to talk politics more than MGTOW over there.
    Hi Eddie, I saw you on .Win. Agreed, the activity has really picked up and along with it, the memes as well as the knowledge sharing.

    Recently someone even re-posted a gem on how to divorce your wife which was thought lost (Fire Your Wife.pdf: https://docdro.id/g1k7mzn ).

    I have been re-posting some of the more interesting articles (in my humble opinion) to help spread the knowledge around here as well, so hopefully GYOW forums will not lag behind and members will not feel they have missed out.

    Votal is, in my opinion gone. If they wanted to re-build, they could have done it separately without taking down the main site. And it has been down for far too long now. This, coupled with the experience on Reddit and Ruqqus, shows that we cannot be too dependent on a single platform.

    How is the activity on Joker's locals forum? I'm a bit sore at Joker for that one video where he hit-out at his MGTOW viewer-base for criticising women and went almost full white-knight simping. He has since took down the video but never issued a retraction nor apologised for the white-knighting (to my knowledge) - that to me implied that he wasn't really a MGTOW.

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    Re: Ruqqus announces its demise; in 30 days it will be become a static site; in 120 days they will wipe the database

    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith79 View Post
    How is the activity on Joker's locals forum? I'm a bit sore at Joker for that one video where he hit-out at his MGTOW viewer-base for criticising women and went almost full white-knight simping. He has since took down the video but never issued a retraction nor apologised for the white-knighting (to my knowledge) - that to me implied that he wasn't really a MGTOW.
    It's pretty active, both with posts from him and the supporters. It's probably 80% politics and COVID talk, though, not really "manosphere" stuff. The Locals software is pretty crude, so you don't get much back-and-forth discussion there, just short responses. Sort of like Facebook without the polish and functionality.

    I remember the video you're talking about. Yeah, that's the one time I remember seeing him lose his temper. I think he regrets it. As I do, every time I lose mine... I can see what you're saying about the "white knight" angle, but I always saw his temper outburst as somewhat justified. I'm similar to Joker, I think, in that I probably have more respect for women than a lot of MGTOW. I think it probably irked him to see them being trashed in the comments sections -- the individual female members of his audience, that is. I would guess Joker likes the fact that a portion of his audience (10%?) is female, and he wants them to feel welcome. MGTOW are not necessarily great at making women feel welcome, lol. So I don't blame him. I think he regrets losing his temper, and he probably regrets coming off like a scolding parent, but I wouldn't expect an apology, because I don't think he did anything wrong in substance (in emotion/tone, yes, but not in substance).

    I think Joker has mixed feelings about whether he's "MGTOW" or not. I mean, technically he is, and that's how his channel began, but he's had some sour experiences with MGTOW that make him wary of aligning himself too closely with it. Part of it was the reaction to that video, where people called him a sellout, a chump, "not MGTOW," betrayer of the cause, etc. He has gotten flak from the community for other stuff, too. Joker is a more genial presence than other MGTOW guys -- part of why he became popular -- but there will be backlash to that, too. From what I understand, Hammerhand attacked him pretty harshly. Joker has said a couple of times that he has been told he is not MGTOW, attacked by MGTOW, and so he "doesn't fit there, either."

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    Re: Ruqqus announces its demise; in 30 days it will be become a static site; in 120 days they will wipe the database

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell View Post
    It's pretty active, both with posts from him and the supporters. It's probably 80% politics and COVID talk, though, not really "manosphere" stuff. The Locals software is pretty crude, so you don't get much back-and-forth discussion there, just short responses. Sort of like Facebook without the polish and functionality.
    Thank you. It sounds as if we aren't missing much then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell View Post
    I think it probably irked him to see them being trashed in the comments sections -- the individual female members of his audience, that is. I would guess Joker likes the fact that a portion of his audience (10%?) is female, and he wants them to feel welcome. MGTOW are not necessarily great at making women feel welcome, lol.
    I would venture a guess that virtually all his contributors / donors / patreon supporters are MGTOWs, and that they closely follow and comment on his videos; Further, I believe it is highly unlikely that the women commenting would regularly support the costs of his videos, perhaps they may agree with the message occasionally, but to regularly put money towards it is highly doubtful.

    I do agree that some of the commenters may have crossed the line in their comments against women. However I do think that instead of attacking his male commenters, he could have conducted it better, just like how GYOW forums has rules against advocating violence towards women, youtube already has rules on hate-speech and he could have reminded his supporters not to cross those lines, on pain of losing his youtube channel and therefore his content.

    What he did by attacking his male commenters, seems a lot like Gillette and their advert which attacked men for their masculinity. Sure Gillette derives a small portion of their revenue from women, however the majority of their loyal and regular customers are men. By attacking his male commenters, some of whom would be contributors, Joker like Gillette, shat on his regular customer base and just like Gillette, turned some of his loyal supporters into haters - it is simply common sense, or a lack thereof.

    I think that he (Joker) also failed to recognise that by trying to pander to women / trying to include them (women) and make them feel welcome, it ultimately would alter the nature of the conversation (because women respond more emotionally and less factually) and, as has been proven by studies, unless women are treated benevolently, it is judged to be as equal as hostile sexism against women (https://uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/handle/10012/6958).

    >>
    The low BS male target (compared to high BS male target) was judged to be higher on HS, less supportive of female professionals, less good of father and husband, and more likely to perpetrate domestic violence. Ratings of the low BS male target were as equally negative as those of the high HS male target
    >>

    Note: This means that when men showed low BS (benevolent sexism), they were perceived to be sexist. When they didn't treat women differently than men, they were perceived to be hostile. So when a man treated a woman equally and didn't show her extra favor, he was perceived as being misogynistic.


    I believe if we allowed women into this forum as members and tried to treat them equally to men, we would run into the same issues. We would not be able to talk factually and directly and our conduct would have to display high benevolent sexism towards women, otherwise they (women) would not feel welcome and would feel that we were being misogynistic.

    That being said, I don't blame Joker for being human and prone to lapses of judgement or outbursts of temper. As someone who used to be a loyal follower of his, it would have been nice if he regretted it to hear him say as such and I could see that it would go some way to mend the trust with those who have been turned-off since that unfortunate video. As he has not said anything, I expect that bridge will never be mended and those who have boycotted him will continue doing so.

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    Re: Ruqqus announces its demise; in 30 days it will be become a static site; in 120 days they will wipe the database

    As a former MGTOW guildmaster on Ruqqus,
    I say good riddance. last thing we need is a reddit clone

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    Re: Ruqqus announces its demise; in 30 days it will be become a static site; in 120 days they will wipe the database

    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith79 View Post
    I would venture a guess that virtually all his contributors / donors / patreon supporters are MGTOWs, and that they closely follow and comment on his videos; Further, I believe it is highly unlikely that the women commenting would regularly support the costs of his videos, perhaps they may agree with the message occasionally, but to regularly put money towards it is highly doubtful.
    There are actually a handful of very active female supporters in his Locals community. It's mostly men, yes, but you'll see a fair amount of contributions from women, too (5 to 10%, maybe). So he does get financial support from women, although it's a minority.

    I do agree that some of the commenters may have crossed the line in their comments against women. However I do think that instead of attacking his male commenters, he could have conducted it better, just like how GYOW forums has rules against advocating violence towards women, youtube already has rules on hate-speech and he could have reminded his supporters not to cross those lines, on pain of losing his youtube channel and therefore his content.
    True, he could've handled it differently. I think he wishes he had (in terms of style, not content).

    What he did by attacking his male commenters, seems a lot like Gillette and their advert which attacked men for their masculinity.
    I don't see it that way. In my view, he attacked what he saw as dickish behavior. I didn't perceive him as attacking men in general, or MGTOW in general, or masculinity. He was calling out guys who he thought were behaving like assholes. I don't fault him for that. Women can be cunts sometimes, and guys can be dicks. I think it's fine to call out dickish behavior and ask that people refrain from it. To me, that's what he was doing -- focusing on the behavior, not on men or masculinity or MGTOW.

    He got backlash for it. I'm not surprised. I doubt he is, either. I mean, he knew that taking that stance would piss some of the men in his audience off. It goes with the territory.

    That being said, I don't blame Joker for being human and prone to lapses of judgement or outbursts of temper. As someone who used to be a loyal follower of his, it would have been nice if he regretted it to hear him say as such and I could see that it would go some way to mend the trust with those who have been turned-off since that unfortunate video. As he has not said anything, I expect that bridge will never be mended and those who have boycotted him will continue doing so.
    Yes, I suppose that's true. I can't read his mind, but it's my sense that he's okay with losing subs over that, particularly from the more strident, aggressive wing of MGTOW. They were the ones he was upset with anyhow, and then they were the ones who bashed him, called him a sellout, etc. So I doubt he's sorry to see them go. [edit: I'm not grouping you in with these guys; I don't know you well enough, and I'm sure there were dolphins caught in the tuna nets, too, i.e., good/reasonable MGTOW who were not engaged in that behavior, yet felt alienated by that video and decided to boycott him over it.]

    If I have any issues with Joker, it's that 1) his content is very repetitive, and 2) he has a rather apocalyptic worldview -- civilization is crashing around us, everything's going to hell, that sort of thing.
    Last edited by Eddie Haskell; October 10, 2021 at 12:20 PM.


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