Thread: Rings are a waste of money

When I was BP, I still rejected the idea of marriage, seeing that most married couples are not happy. I never did think about the wedding ring thing, but I still wanted a gf putting the pussy on the pedestal.







After taking the red pill, I red pill rage over the fact that my older siblings and father wasted their hard earned money on worthless piece of shit that just shines.
What do women offer in return? Only "sex", "kissing", "cuddling", which are not as costly the ring.


I asked my mom : "Why do men have to spend their 5 month salary on an unnecessary item that has no function?" She said : "It is not worthless, it shows how much you love her, and besides these are our traditions".


In order to have sex with them females require you to buy them engagement rings and then wedding rings, because they are egotistical they wanna brag and show off their rings to their female friends.


I live in Lebanon, almost all women and girls If you date them they start talking about marriage and children. You see guys, not just western women are FUBAR , AWALT Lebanese women are influenced by western culture, they are very traditional only because it benefits them.

What I'm saying is that marriage is basically prostitution.
Many Lebanese women are still stuck in this mentality "you can't touch, until you put an expensive ring on my finger".




I think I did the right thing, by avoiding relationships with females, only one night stands. I am pretty sure I will be happier than married men or in a relationship because I will have more money, freedom, time, peace , stress free life all to myself. If I had the chance to build a cabin in the woods and live in it away from society, why not.

Originally Posted by Lebanese_MGTOW

I asked my mom : "Why do men have to spend their 5 month salary on an unnecessary item that has no function?" She said : "It is not worthless, it shows how much you love her, and besides these are our traditions".

5-months salary? You have to be shitting me. When I was young it was only 1-months salary and it was still a complete waste of time.

The funniest approach to this problem is to take a girl to look at rings, pick something stupidly expensive for her to look at and then buy her an identical fake ring in an appropriately expensive looking box for next to nothing.

Originally Posted by Delmore Schwartz

5-months salary? You have to be shitting me. When I was young it was only 1-months salary and it was still a complete waste of time.

The funniest approach to this problem is to take a girl to look at rings, pick something stupidly expensive for her to look at and then buy her an identical fake ring in an appropriately expensive looking box for next to nothing.

In my country the minimum wage is barely 5 grand, people with a decent degree make 25 grand a year.
So the Lebanese economy is fucked up beyond repair , and women hair are super demanding and are entitled bitches.

When you think about how much money women rake in before their marriages have even begun, that's reason enough to stay the hell away. From engagement wings to wedding rings to the weddings themselves. It's considered perfectly normal in the U.S. to drop thousands of dollars and spend at least a year planning the wedding. And for what? It's mainly about mental masturbation for the bride, she gets to lord it over all her friends...she can't be the center attention whore again until she gets knocked up.

Women whine about marriage being slavery, they whine about gender roles, but do any of them just want to date long term without marriage at the end like a Leprechaun with a pot o gold? Nope...that tells us all we need to know.

Originally Posted by Lebanese_MGTOW

When I was BP, I still rejected the idea of marriage, seeing that most married couples are not happy. I never did think about the wedding ring thing, but I still wanted a gf putting the pussy on the pedestal.







After taking the red pill, I red pill rage over the fact that my older siblings and father wasted their hard earned money on worthless piece of shit that just shines.
What do women offer in return? Only "sex", "kissing", "cuddling", which are not as costly the ring.


I asked my mom : "Why do men have to spend their 5 month salary on an unnecessary item that has no function?" She said : "It is not worthless, it shows how much you love her, and besides these are our traditions".


In order to have sex with them females require you to buy them engagement rings and then wedding rings, because they are egotistical they wanna brag and show off their rings to their female friends.


I live in Lebanon, almost all women and girls If you date them they start talking about marriage and children. You see guys, not just western women are FUBAR , AWALT Lebanese women are influenced by western culture, they are very traditional only because it benefits them.

What I'm saying is that marriage is basically prostitution.
Many Lebanese women are still stuck in this mentality "you can't touch, until you put an expensive ring on my finger".




I think I did the right thing, by avoiding relationships with females, only one night stands. I am pretty sure I will be happier than married men or in a relationship because I will have more money, freedom, time, peace , stress free life all to myself. If I had the chance to build a cabin in the woods and live in it away from society, why not.

In many cultures (including yours) once you hand over a ring or jewelry to woman it is 100% her property regardless if there is a split up of the couple afterwards. Often it is considered a gift and you will receive nothing in return.

Many Lebanese women are still stuck in this mentality "you can't touch, until you put an expensive ring on my finger".

Lebanese and middle eastern women are the worst mate.
They don't even give you sex for years and then once you're married, they become 'religious'.
They start saying things like 'let's not have sex' 'I don't want to have sex, I'm religious now' and so on..Even though the tradition says she cannot refuse her husband.

With western women, at least they don't demand that from you before marriage.. I'm not saying they are better but the method of manipulation is very different.

Originally Posted by Nuggets

Women whine about marriage being slavery, they whine about gender roles, but do any of them just want to date long term without marriage at the end like a Leprechaun with a pot o gold? Nope...that tells us all we need to know.

You can't get to the cash and prizes at the end of the divorce without going through the marriage bit at the beginning...

Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich’s divorce pot to get £100m dividend fillip

https://www.standard.co.uk/business/...-a3608481.html

The ring is just a proxy for your willingness to wear the yoke.

If you'll part with months of your labour to please a woman, then you'll pull the load and bear the whip. The intrinsic value of the ring has got nothing to do with it.

If you'll object to the ring, then you probably won't make a good servant.

That's the ring's value. It sorts the servile from the difficult. Rejoice in what you are.

EDIT: By the way, the ring is only one of many indirect ploys used to determine how good a servant you'll become. The proper resting place of the toilet seat is another, along with how agreeable you are to doing housework.

If you ever live with a woman, prepare yourself for those inevitable moments of anguish when she announces that she has missed her period. Whether she has or hasn't is beside the point. She does it so as to determine how ready you are for the eventual deed, whether it's this year, or 5 years away. Her schedule, of course.

thing about diamonds.... I think they are more suited for drill-bits...
(I hear the "jewelry quality" ones really are not that expensive.... but that notion goes to some conspiracy theory that says the supply has been artificially manipulated..)

Originally Posted by mongolking

That's the ring's value. It sorts the servile from the difficult. Rejoice in what you are.

Get the Fuck off. Bitch!

Originally Posted by Eiji

thing about diamonds.... I think they are more suited for drill-bits...
(I hear the "jewelry quality" ones really are not that expensive.... but that notion goes to some conspiracy theory that says the supply has been artificially manipulated..)

It's not that widely understood, but certainly De Beers and the other diamond wholesalers do purchase the highest quality diamonds to keep them off the market. Since they can then use the inflated prices for those that are sold as a basis for valuing their own stored assets it ends up being a corrupt circle, since they can use the inflated value of the stored assets as collateral for loans to buy more diamonds which keeps the price high, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

What the actual intrinsic value of a 1 carat diamond would be if this cartel manipulation did not take place is anybody's guess. In truth, a lot of these diamonds just get bought and sold as a means of moving money invisibly across the world without customs or tax officials being able to get their greedy hands on it, since diamonds are undetectable if well hidden.

THE DANNY KOORT AND JEANETTE ROSEN CASE

A couple who ran a diamond trading business were convicted of money laundering on the 28th of October 2016 at the Old Bailey after a joint investigation by the National Crime Agency (NCA) and City of London Police. Danny Koort and Jeanette Rosen are thought to have laundered up to £53m for organised crime groups in under two years, based on diary entries showing their deals from January 2013 to November 2014.

Koort was jailed for 11 years and Rosen 10 years. Dutch national Koort, 52, and Rosen, 48, both of East Finchley, London, used code names – such as Fiat, Honda, Champagne, Cristal and Caviar – in the diaries to refer to customers. Notes made on envelopes inside the diaries showed at least £20m was laundered between April and November 2014.

The couple ran a legitimate diamond dealing business but used it as cover to clean the money. Rosen, acting on Koort’s behalf, took part in a series of street exchanges with couriers to transfer the massive sums of cash. Accomplice Andrew Russell, 54, of Ongar in Essex, was also convicted of money laundering and jailed for four years. NCA officers arrested Russell on 25 July 2014 with £198,000 in cash in a holdall in his car.

He had been under surveillance at a meeting at an Essex hotel where he collected a large bag. He then bought a holdall from Argos and filled it with the cash. Later that day officers photographed Russell and Rosen meeting in a street but Russell did not transfer the money to her. City of London Police arrested Rosen on 28 November 2014 when she was carrying just short of £170,000 in a bag in a central London street.

Police searched her office where they found 235,215 Euros and £17,165 in cash. The officers also searched her black Mercedes and discovered 10 pay-as-you-go mobile phones – nine with code names written on. A search of Rosen and Koort’s home discovered a piece of paper headed “my big friend” with calculations for sums in sterling and Euros ending with an outstanding amount of £60,100. Investigators also found a bag containing counterfeit notes.

NCA senior investigating officer Tony Luhman said: “Koort and Rosen had enormous sums of money going through their books and were clearly doing a lot of business with many organised crime groups. “Their conviction removes a money laundering facility on which numerous other criminals have depended, and now makes life harder for crooks looking to clean their dirty cash.”

They are also recommended for use as asset (and ass) protection:

Q: Can airport security scanners detect diamonds?
A: By Nick Falcone (10 years of experience in buying & selling diamonds, gold and silver)

No airport scanners cannot detect diamonds. As a consultant I often advise clients on APS (asset protection services) and part of that advice for many includes an emergency kit that they can always access if they must leave the country at z moments notice due to a host of different reasons. The kit includes passports, credit cards, important paperwork, stock certificates and statements and titles to hard assets such as property and vehicles. In addition I advise $10k in US currency (the legal limit that you can transport out of the country per person. There are no limits however to taking several thousand dollars in international money orders (make certain they are international, for example the Western Union money orders at many stores such as 7-11 are, but postal money orders are not). Also you can take gold coins which can comprise a high value in a small space and have the same valuation regardless of what country you're traveling to.

Finally, diamonds, in investment grade and size (1ct, d or e, vs1 or better clarity, and round) are the easiest way to transport the largest amount of value on your person and it's completely legal. You can put several diamonds in a small case or satchel, wear them on rings, chains, watches and bracelets, put them in an eating or in your pocket or even conceal them under skin or in you if concerned about your safety or someone knowing about them or wanting to take them prior to cashing them in. One final advantage is you can sell just one at a time as needed.

https://www.quora.com/Can-airport-se...etect-diamonds

Originally Posted by Delmore Schwartz

Get the Fuck off. Bitch!

Married women don't measure their looks out of ten, they measure their looks in carats...

Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid

Married women don't measure their looks out of ten, they measure their looks in carats...

They'd be better off measuring their value in carrots...

The ring is still peanuts compared to what you'll be paying in the eventual divorce. I remember one of my ex's told me that she wanted a £10,000 ring. I told her I would get her a £2 ring from a market stall. We broke up not long after that.

Adam Ruins Everything is a SJW idiot, but one of his first videos does a good job of debunking the diamond industry. I'll link it if I can find it. Beyond that, two funny stories:

A guy I know had a fiance who threw the ring he got her into the ocean while they were on his engagement cruise because she thought it was too small. Fool went out and bought her a bigger one. That's right, he paid for two rings because he couldn't even take the first one back.

The most MGTOW guy I know doesn't even know what the term MGTOW means. The last girl he dated started hinting around that she wanted a ring. He told her he would get her one just as soon as she bought him a boat. That way he'd know how much to spend on the ring. The relationship ended soon after.

Originally Posted by Azure Nomad

In many cultures (including yours) once you hand over a ring or jewelry to woman it is 100% her property regardless if there is a split up of the couple afterwards. Often it is considered a gift and you will receive nothing in return.

In most every jurisdiction in the US where the law is based on English common law (Louisiana is excluded as it is based on Napoleonic Code) that is not true of engagement rings. I assume the UK and other commonwealth countries are similar. An engagement ring is a conditional gift. If the marriage fails to happen then the ring must be given back. However, if the wedding does take place, and then the marriage ends, the engagement ring is the woman's personal property, since it was a conditional gift for which the conditions were fulfilled.

For the edification of all I will let our gentle readers learn the three rings of marriage:

1) the engagement ring,

2) the wedding ring, and

3) the suffering.

I am on my 4th marriage (mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa). I married a little spinner Filipina virgin less than half my age (she was 25, so no pedophilia involved; although I have been accused of it many times when out and about with her). I bought her a IIRC $500 engagement ring. She was happy to get it, as she was the one chasing me and not the other way around. Unfortunately I promised to buy her a better one on our tenth anniversary. My true estimation was that I would never have to make good on this promise. I figured the odds of reaching 10 years was extremely low (really zero%), and that she would have forgotten it by the time if we got to that point. To my shock, and the shock of many observers, we are still married, and seem to be happy. My prior experience had led me to believe that this was an impossibility. And she hasn't forgotten. Women have a memory like an elephant for any promises a man makes to buy them something. She has already started pointing out jewelry sales to me and there is still 6 months to go.

I am limiting the price to one month's take home pay and she is thrilled with that. I believe the standard is one month's gross, but I am not bringing that to her attention.

Originally Posted by Mikediver

In most every jurisdiction in the US where the law is based on English common law (Louisiana is excluded as it is based on Napoleonic Code) that is not true of engagement rings.

Montana doesn't strangely enough.

In 2002, the Montana Supreme Court considered ownership of engagement rings in the event an engagement is called off. Specifically, the court considered whether or not the female must return an engagement ring if the marriage does not occur.

In Albinger v. Harris, 2002 MT 118, the Montana Supreme Court held that an engagement ring is an unconditional, completed gift and should be treated as any other gift would under Montana law.

In order for an engagement ring to be considered a gift, all of the elements of gifting must be present. In other words, there must be a transfer of ownership from one party to the other. In Montana, gifting is complete upon delivery and gifts are not revocable – unless they are given in contemplation of death.

The Supreme Court did say, however, that an action for fraud or deceit could be initiated if a party has acquired a ring under false pretenses.

The fact that the whole marriage might be a fraudulent or deceitful act would probably not go down well in Montana.

Originally Posted by Mikediver

I bought her a IIRC $500 engagement ring. She was happy to get it, as she was the one chasing me and not the other way around. Unfortunately I promised to buy her a better one on our tenth anniversary. My true estimation was that I would never have to make good on this promise. I figured the odds of reaching 10 years was extremely low (really zero%), and that she would have forgotten it by the time if we got to that point.

After 10-years of decent marriage she's probably worth it. You would be best to think of it as a gift to yourself as much as anything, for having found someone vaguely NAWALT.

Yes, the price of diamonds is completely controlled by De Beers, and artificially way above their true value based on their non-rarity. They should be cheap; as in drill bit cheap.

The other fiasco we can lay at the feet of De Beers is the entire concept of a diamond engagement ring. Prior to WWII a diamond engagement ring was very atypical. This was not a tradition in the west; it was a hugely successful marketing campaign by De Beers which began in 1938. They started this because, with the Great Depression of the 1930s, the price of diamonds had collapsed. They needed something to boost their sales. So they marketed diamonds to the everyday gal as a necessity to show he really loves you. Most of these so called traditions, which so favor women's materialistic desires, are about an inch deep in historical context. As an aside, few men wore wedding rings prior to WWII.

Originally Posted by Delmore Schwartz

After 10-years of decent marriage she's probably worth it. You would be best to think of it as a gift to yourself as much as anything, for having found someone vaguely NAWALT.

I said most jurisdictions. But thanks for the information on Montana. Now I know not to give an engagement ring there. But, of course, I should know better than to give one anywhere. I have shown I am stupid beyond all measure by giving out 4 (so far, I am not dead yet, so I may become stupid again at some time in the future; count no man lucky who is not in the grave.)

Thanks for the encouragement on the vaguely NAWALT. I had to search the other side of the world to find a decent woman in a small village (pop. 1,200) in a patriarchal, traditional, and religious (Catholic) culture to find a 25 year old virgin that was vaguely NAWALT. I put emphasis on the vaguely part, because in so many ways AWALT. To those that might deem my results worthy of emulation, beware the vaguely.