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    Remember gents women can be a threat in the workplace too

    Whether working with a female co-worker in the workplace, they are the same threat as male co-workers, though they have different tools in their arsenals that are dangerous to the working man. They have high-pitch voices and use explicit flattery to male-coworkers and male-bosses. I had a female co-workers that are assigned in the same group as me for data analysis, and they took the credit for my work. They would take my code and rehash it in their own words, and turn in the project early to the superior. Luckily, I had a paper-trail and showed the boss and gave me credit too, and he assigned me to another group. I was under the impression that credit would be shared, but they forgot to include me on the work, most likely intentional. When I asked, they said they wouldn't put me in because I wasn't there during group meetings, even though I participated in them, they seem to end it early, and information is usually missing. Turned out they had their own second group chat, and didn't tell me. My mistake, no matter how nice women are in the beginning and make you feel welcomed to the group, don't be too comfortable around them. You need to keep your guard up, and always ask questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rebelcivilisation05 View Post
    Luckily, I had a paper-trail and showed the boss and gave me credit too, and he assigned me to another group.
    Smart move that. Leaving a paper trail. Always have backup & evidence of your work.

    Quote Originally Posted by rebelcivilisation05 View Post
    . I was under the impression that credit would be shared, but they forgot to include me on the work, most likely intentional. .... no matter how nice women are in the beginning and make you feel welcomed to the group, don't be too comfortable around them. You need to keep your guard up, and always ask questions.
    VERY good points. Since women always view men as a threat and are always on guard around us, we need to dish it back. NEVER treat women, esp in the workplace, as an ally.

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    Re: Remember gents women can be a threat in the workplace too

    I work at the municipal water plant. One of our driver's, Ed, early 80s, passed away this March. Working I think more for something to do than anything else. After high school he did a stint in the army, as most ended up doing, then got married and moved from Wyoming to Alaska. Found work in construction, mainly roads, started his own business and everything.

    He settled in the Chitna area, stayed there for decades. He said about 25 years ago, the state paved a river access road to a fishing/camping area. Fast forward ten years, its gotten rather popular. So popular, the local native corp sued to take it over, claiming it was on native land, only they should have access to it. He was one the original contractors for that job. The state road guys in Juneau, looked up the records, passed his name to the lawyers, who gave him a call. Wanted to know what he remembered. Who was there, did he have any old records in a box, permits, right-of-way or planning docs, etc.

    Turns out Ed was that secret weapon all lawyers hope for. He had business records going back to the 70s. Including his daily work diaries. Information even the state lawyers didn't have. The nate corp didn't stand a chance. While certain documents can be 'found' in various gov't agencies, if you have the patience (& money) to search; verifiable, hand-written daily activity reports, especially that old, are solid gold. Record keeping of this type and consistency is getting rare. Almost impossible to refute, because the enemy just isn't that diligent.

    Long way of saying, keep a daily log. Time stamp it if you can. Note a local interest item from time to time to establish credibility, like a high school game score, or a car accident near the work site. Data that can be independently verified. And keep them safe. With this #metoo shit popping out of nowhere 20, 30, 40 years later, it could save your life.

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    Re: Remember gents women can be a threat in the workplace too

    Quote Originally Posted by ftdjc1 View Post
    Long way of saying, keep a daily log. Time stamp it if you can. Note a local interest item from time to time to establish credibility, like a high school game score, or a car accident near the work site. Data that can be independently verified. And keep them safe. With this #metoo shit popping out of nowhere 20, 30, 40 years later, it could save your life.
    True. It didn't happen if it aint written on paper (except M2).
    Also Pence rule is just common sense really.

    Regarding women - a story from my father.

    He managed a team of ten people in some nondescript corpo. A female intern
    has been assigned to him as a co-manager. They obviously divided workloads
    between themselves. She claimed she did her work and kept my father in a dark
    till management informed him that this work has not been done. She then claimed
    my father's work and have lied that it was him who didn't do any work.

    Now anyone who has ever worked, knows that there is nothing worse than a shitty manager.
    If your manager doesn't do his job you are in deep trouble. Justifiably so you hate him and want
    him replaced. This b**** has convinced entire team that her story was true.

    Father was promptly forced to leave. She got his seat.
    About month later he receives a phone call. An apology from the management.
    They have just realised that no work has been done for entire month and she is nowhere to be found.
    They ofc wanted him to fix a mess caused by their mistake but he refused.

    Now he is much more careful and in a better job.
    " A man without purpose finds it in women " - UCXIV

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    Re: Remember gents women can be a threat in the workplace too

    Smokey Bear started with all men. When women started doing manly jobs, the bear resisted. This led to judges handing out lists of women and minorities, saying when Smokey wanted people, they'd come off this list. The bear learned his lesson, half his employees are now women.

    At first, it sucked. A good quarter of the new women had almost no working experience and plenty were nut cases. Good news is they didn't last long. They had a good thing but couldn't see it. Another quarter or so of the newly hired didn't care for work but snagged a husband on the way out the door. The bears all-male workforce fell for them, hook, line and sinker.

    In the end, the quality of women improved as they gained experience. They'd still let you down if given the chance, but a lot of the guys you work with are no better. I was lucky, the bosses knew I was better off as an independent, so I seldom had any shared responsibilities. That's the biggest reason I did ok working with women. I was also the old-timer, and that helps.

    Working with women can work, though it's not usually a good idea.
    Every day I make the world a little bit worse.

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    Re: Remember gents women can be a threat in the workplace too

    Quote Originally Posted by ftdjc1 View Post

    Long way of saying, keep a daily log. Time stamp it if you can. Note a local interest item from time to time to establish credibility, like a high school game score, or a car accident near the work site. Data that can be independently verified. And keep them safe. With this #metoo shit popping out of nowhere 20, 30, 40 years later, it could save your life.
    https://legal-forms.laws.com/militar...y-officers-log

    This form does the job, has spaces for everything, and looks official. Use the blank back page for notes that will jog your memory.

    If you think that a particular boss or co-worker is creating a 'hostile environment' for you, then start documenting that.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: Remember gents women can be a threat in the workplace too

    Gentlemen, we've all seen the lists of relationship red flags. Some of them are good, some are odd. However, I would like everyone to consider that many of these relationship red flags are also employment red flags.


    Most of us here realize that a romantic relationship with a woman can be a dangerous thing and that these red flags show which women are more dangerous than others. We have the option of not getting into a romantic relationship with a woman but for most of us, we are going to find ourselves regularly interacting with women as part of our daily lives...and I don't mean the "good morning" as we pass someone on the street. Most of us are going to wind up with female coworkers, employers, employees, customers, etc. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that most are people you will be able to get along with just fine, as long as you keep things professional and impersonal. However, some are going to be trouble. Those relationship red flags are, with a little adjustment, very good employment red flags. Here are those that I've observed, so feel free to comment or add.


    #1. Posts dozens, if not hundreds of social media pics/videos of herself.
    This is taken from dozens of relationship red flag lists and shows a certain narcissism. However, those pics and videos can be a valuable insight into her character.


    #2. Tattoos/wildly colored hair/multiple piercings.
    Again, taken from lots of relationship lists. Don't get me wrong, a tattoo somewhere that's not usually exposed is no problem and none of your business. A little bit of hair dye to "fight the gray" or "add highlights" isn't an issue and a set of fashionable earrings doesn't mean a thing. It's the obnoxious neck/face/hand tattoos, the garishly colored hair and the excessive facial piercings and other loud jewelry that indicates her narcissism. Women who want attention will find a way to get it and it's not usually a pleasant experience for the men around them.


    #3. Has multiple children from different men and she's currently not married to or living with any of them.
    This is drama waiting to happen...if it isn't already happening. This drama can suck anyone associated with her into it. It also shows that she views men as a utility; to be utilized then discarded.


    #4. Excessive use of profanity or other vulgarities.
    This is just common sense. If she can't hold a conversation without resorting to profanity or other gutter language, you don't want to be around her. Think of it, she's going to be speaking to current or potential customers; do you really want someone who can't have a disagreement without dropping f-bombs talking to someone you want to get a contract to work for?



    #5. Claims that she has been stalked/harassed/sexually assaulted or sexually discriminated against in the past.
    Look, I know that it happens and the men who do it should be arrested and punished for it. However, someone who makes being a victim of sexual misconduct a core concept of her identity is going to be looking for sexual misconduct in all future interactions. This means that you don't want to be interacting with her... in any capacity.



    #6. Has filed for restraining orders against multiple men.
    Much like number 5, this happens. There are creepers, stalkers and other guys who won't take no for an answer and restraining orders exist for a reason. It's the multiple issue that clues you in. If she has filed for restraining orders against multiple men, she's either using the state as a tool to get her way or she's a very unlucky woman. Either way, you don't want to be around her.


    #7. Complains that her wage is too low and compares her wage with the company's owners, management, core employees or people with more experience.
    Who doesn't occasionally complain about what they earn? That's not the issue but someone who is, for example, a receptionist and claims that it's not fair that her boss, or the receptionist that's been working there for years longer than her, make more than her, it's an issue. If she complains that the company's "moneymakers", like technicians or tradesmen, make more than her, she has just hoisted a red flag. It means that she wants the income but doesn't want to exert the effort or take on the responsibility that comes with it. Okay, plenty of people want the compensation without the downsides, but most of us don't feel a victim because it doesn't happen.


    #8. Constantly complains about ex-husbands and/or ex-boyfriends. Says that they treated her horribly and perhaps that they aren't paying their alimony and/or child support. Also complains about former employers or coworkers. Never has a good thing to say about any of them.
    Again, who hasn't occasionally grumbled about an ex? That's why they are exes, isn't it? Who hasn't occasionally complained about a former...or current...boss or coworker? It's the constant complaints and refusal to admit that any of them had their good qualities that nails it. Trust me, eventually she's going to be talking the same smack about you. The only problem is, it might be to a judge or jury.


    #9. Goes out to lunch with coworkers and conveniently "forgets her purse" when it's her turn to pay. Asks coworkers for help with her personal life (house or car maintenance) but does not offer any compensation, such as pizza. Does not return the favor.
    Part of being a friend and acquaintance is helping each other out. However, whomever is receiving the help needs to either indicate their appreciation, return the favor, or both. When someone doesn't do this, it means that she thinks that those around her owe her this and it's only going to be a matter of time before she starts demanding more.



    Gentlemen, one of the vice presidents at a company I used to work for got sued by a female employee who showed all of these red flags. She claimed sexual harassment when he did nothing of the sort. Learn from his mistake! If you are hiring for a company and a woman, showing two or more of these traits, applies for a job, DO NOT HIRE HER! Find any reason that you can, but don't hire her. If you are in charge of personnel and a female employee develops two or more of these traits, GET RID OF HER AS SOON AS YOU CAN! If your boss/manager or coworker is a woman who shows two or more of these traits, GET AWAY FROM HER! Transfer if you can, change jobs if you must, but don't stick around and wait for her to put her sights on you! She's demanding attention and looking for someone to blame for anything and everything wrong with her life. Don't allow yourself to be the one who she decides is at fault.


    Now, I'll admit that men who show the same traits (or the male equivalent) are just as toxic as women who show them. You should distance yourself from these men, as well. However, there isn't the same urgency to do so. A woman can just make an accusation with nothing to back it up and a man's life, and maybe even his company, are ruined. Even if she blatantly lies, she's not going to face any consequences unless the man she accuses is in a financial position that he can invest millions of dollars into an effort to clear his name.

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    Re: Remember gents women can be a threat in the workplace too

    My friend worked for a surface coal mining company. They had an opening for a blast hole drill operator. A woman applied with a couple guys and the woman HR hired the woman over the men. When doing that work, the only break you get is a 30 minute lunch and when you step out for a few seconds to piss behind your equipment. The foreman had to drive to get her once every two hours and drive her to a porta potty, the men weren't allowed to swear on the CB radios, and she was always blaming other people for her not getting much work done. He said it was a disaster until the company owner stopped by. He tore his ass wondering why his loader and trucks worth millions were sitting idle with no rock to move. The foreman explained they weren't getting enough drilling done to keep them busy and what he went on everyday. That was her last day on that job. There are jobs that a woman just can't do. There are also jobs that a woman is way better suited for. Trying to hire women for inclusivity just doesn't work at all places.

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    Re: Remember gents women can be a threat in the workplace too

    Quote Originally Posted by GDash View Post
    My friend worked for a surface coal mining company. They had an opening for a blast hole drill operator. A woman applied with a couple guys and the woman HR hired the woman over the men. When doing that work, the only break you get is a 30 minute lunch and when you step out for a few seconds to piss behind your equipment. The foreman had to drive to get her once every two hours and drive her to a porta potty, the men weren't allowed to swear on the CB radios, and she was always blaming other people for her not getting much work done.
    Smokey Bears women go behind a truck to throw a wizz, and nobody thinks anything of it. The nearest toilets an hour or two away, if they were fussy. The other option is just not piss. That wouldn't work for me, but a lot of women can hold it most all day if they want. Crazy.

    A woman could dig holes, it's just most are slackers and only want the good parts of the job. This one was nuts to even try, and obviously had no idea what working stiffs of either sex do for a living. I spent a day or two helping a drill operator once. All that noise and dust, I hated every minute, and I've done some shitty jobs. Drills are good things to stay away from. At least the boss came along and straightened things out.
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    Re: Remember gents women can be a threat in the workplace too

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    Smokey Bears women go behind a truck to throw a wizz, and nobody thinks anything of it. The nearest toilets an hour or two away, if they were fussy. The other option is just not piss. That wouldn't work for me, but a lot of women can hold it most all day if they want. Crazy.

    A woman could dig holes, it's just most are slackers and only want the good parts of the job. This one was nuts to even try, and obviously had no idea what working stiffs of either sex do for a living. I spent a day or two helping a drill operator once. All that noise and dust, I hated every minute, and I've done some shitty jobs. Drills are good things to stay away from. At least the boss came along and straightened things out.
    I ran a Atlas Copco DM45 drill for about 4 years.

    Every evening I would cough up dust for an hour when I got home. I also lost most of the hearing in my right ear from the constant humming of the engine and steel screeching. I was almost killed twice when boulders the size of a refrigerator fell off the highwall and hit the drill. It paid great but it was a horrible job. Now I am utility and never run the same equipment day to day.
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    The most challenging piece of equipment I ever operated was an Austin Western 4x4 road grader on the hilly twisty bending roads here in BCFC, the amount of lever moving was astronomical when going over the hills and bends and keeping the moldboard from dumping or gouging as the front tires went past the crest of the hill, allot of the time I was moving 3 and 4 levers simultaneously while steering with my knees! I felt like a 6 arm puppet not to mention all the thinking involved, my coordination became remarkable, fluid, and precise, it was no doubt the most exhausting piece I ever ran, too many variables had to be kept in sync and control, a less skilled operator without basic road engineering can easily do more damage than good.

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    Re: Remember gents women can be a threat in the workplace too

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    The most challenging piece of equipment I ever operated was an Austin Western 4x4 road grader on the hilly twisty bending roads here in BCFC, the amount of lever moving was astronomical when going over the hills and bends and keeping the moldboard from dumping or gouging as the front tires went past the crest of the hill, allot of the time I was moving 3 and 4 levers simultaneously while steering with my knees! I felt like a 6 arm puppet not to mention all the thinking involved, my coordination became remarkable, fluid, and precise, it was no doubt the most exhausting piece I ever ran, too many variables had to be kept in sync and control, a less skilled operator without basic road engineering can easily do more damage than good.

    The old road graders with all the levers needed two people operating it at the same time. I messed with a grader some and almost lost my mind trying to keep up with which lever did what. You may already know, but all modern equipment has two joysticks at the end of each armrest that controls everything but speed and brakes. Each joystick has 5 or 6 buttons to control everything else. It was a big learning curve for people used to levers.

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    Re: Remember gents women can be a threat in the workplace too

    Quote Originally Posted by GDash View Post
    The old road graders with all the levers needed two people operating it at the same time. I messed with a grader some and almost lost my mind trying to keep up with which lever did what. You may already know, but all modern equipment has two joysticks at the end of each armrest that controls everything but speed and brakes. Each joystick has 5 or 6 buttons to control everything else. It was a big learning curve for people used to levers.
    With front and rear wheel steering it drove the insanity over the edge!

    The dual rear wheel models with front end steering are limited to what they can do. Being able to maneuver the rear end made it way more versatile, and yes, when you're learning the levers you keep it in low gear and idling! Being able to run it all out is when you know the levers by heart and you're moving the spoil as fast as it can go! My equipment doesn't have joysticks but my friend's does and I like it way better! It also has variable thumb grip so you can finesse things instead of crushing them!
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    Re: Remember gents women can be a threat in the workplace too

    Where I work, we have old graders like this plus a few smaller ones.
    I can concur with all the levers on them.
    I've got lots of respect for the guys that can run them as it takes me a good 10 minutes just to get the blade, attachments up and out of the way to get the machine off or on the trailer.


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