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    A Religious Perspective on What's Wrong with Women Today

    https://www.rooshv.com/6-signs-that-...s-in-rebellion

    This is Roosh- you all know him as a former PUA and some may discount what he says because of that. But I thought it was well written and insightful. He has converted to Christianity and espouses the faith; his perspective on women is now through the traditional Christian view of women.

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    Re: A Religious Perspective on What's Wrong with Women Today

    The worst thing a man can do to himself is have concern for a modern women.

    They could run around on fire and I'd have no less or more sympathy for them.

    I'm stoic, discerned, and indifferent. There's no hope for me, THANK GOD!
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    I used to be a christian. I have no respect whatever for a dude who defined his life by fornication and who now wants to bleat about the natural, God-given order. Not unless I see Roosh abase himself with *repentance*. Not unless ha can persuade me that he is genuinely *sorry* about the way that he has lived his life. Not until he stops blaming those sluts for the way he chose to live. As it is, he seems to think that getting religion is just the next stage on his personal journey. He seems to think that God is just a personal utility.

    The fucking hypocrisy of Roosh V of all people talking about how all them sluts are in rebellion against God.

    I dunno. I don't even believe in God anymore. But this just grinds my gears.

    I'm drunk. Is what it is.

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    Re: A Religious Perspective on What's Wrong with Women Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    I used to be a christian. I have no respect whatever for a dude who defined his life by fornication and who now wants to bleat about the natural, God-given order. Not unless I see Roosh abase himself with *repentance*. Not unless ha can persuade me that he is genuinely *sorry* about the way that he has lived his life. Not until he stops blaming those sluts for the way he chose to live. As it is, he seems to think that getting religion is just the next stage on his personal journey. He seems to think that God is just a personal utility.

    The fucking hypocrisy of Roosh V of all people talking about how all them sluts are in rebellion against God.

    I dunno. I don't even believe in God anymore. But this just grinds my gears.

    I'm drunk. Is what it is.
    I don’t really know anything about Roosh except what I’ve read in this thread, the accompanying link and a 10 minute google search. I’d heard the name and that’s about it.

    Note – I don’t tend to watch individuals making videos or read blogs unless they’ve been recommended, there’s just far too much bullshit out there for me to spend good time wading through it.

    But between the couple of topics I noticed in his twitter feed (Astrology? Yeah, I get the point but to go to those extremes…) and what I read in the link I have to agree with Mr. Wombat’s comments. This religion thing is nothing more than his latest ploy.

    I guess he’s tired of shagging sluts and now he’s aiming a little higher – the good and pure Christian girl. I believe it to be a bit of a turn on for some, but only for those who don’t know what they’re really like. He’s likely to get torn a new one if he’s not very careful no matter how much red pill & PUA knowledge he thinks he has, but maybe that’s part of the lure.

    He seems to think that God is just a personal utility.
    This got me thinking though. Maybe, just maybe he’s lost it. The twitter term ‘followers’ can be interpreted as a little messianic and he has about 5,000 of them. Don’t be surprised if he tries to start his own religious cult – The Word according to Roosh V.

    To Mr. Wombat: drunk or not you raise an interesting point. Cheers.

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    There was a blogger I read who pointed something out that most preachers do not mention - the Old Testament prohibits men hiring temple prostitutes . . . notice it does not say prostitutes, but prostitutes of temples of idols, such as Zeus or Jupiter. Elsewhere the OT tells men, such as in Proverbs, that "the price of a prostitute is a loaf of bread, but the price of another man's wife could be your life". Nutshell - the Bible did not prohibit men from hiring prostitutes and recommended doing so to prevent fooling with other men's wives. Also, there were precedents set of men, such as King David and Solomon, who had many concubines etc. Roosh' perspective is warped by the demonization of men by modern preachers for doing what the OT allows . . . and which OT law continued under the New Testament. Takeaway - if American feminists are dangerous to be around and the US divorce laws unfairly punish men, jump on a plane and fly away to Spain, Germany or Thailand . . . to paraphrase Proverbs the price of a prostitute is a loaf of bread (compared to alimony and divorce lawyer fees!)

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    https://www.rooshv.com/6-signs-that-...s-in-rebellion

    This is Roosh- you all know him as a former PUA and some may discount what he says because of that. But I thought it was well written and insightful. He has converted to Christianity and espouses the faith; his perspective on women is now through the traditional Christian view of women.

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    Re: A Religious Perspective on What's Wrong with Women Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    I have no respect whatever for a dude who defined his life by fornication and who now wants to bleat about the natural, God-given order. Not unless I see Roosh abase himself with *repentance*. Not unless ha can persuade me that he is genuinely *sorry* about the way that he has lived his life...…………..The fucking hypocrisy of Roosh V of all people talking about how all them sluts are in rebellion against God.

    Fully agree...I have nothing against PUA when done on a recreational level, I even want to learn a little bit myself, but up to a point.


    I used to like some of the stuff Roosh wrote on women and game but even then he often went deep into batshit crazy when talking about anything else.


    The main issue with successful PUAs and a lot of natural Alphas is that they view women as A) Sluts to bang or B) Wife and mother material, with no inbetween. They go from one extreme, banging loads of women to the other of trying to be faithful to a wife, they nearly always fail cheat and often get caught. I have a friend who is in this mess right now.


    Roosh has had this "mental burnout" but gone off in a slightly different direction, as soon as he pulled his articles and banned the dissussion of "fornication" I unfollowed him on everything. Complete loser in my opinion, I predict he will get married in the next few years (and will probably fail at it as well).


    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    https://www.rooshv.com/6-signs-that-a-woman-is-in-rebellion

    As for this article strip the references to religion out of it and you are down to the following.
    Women who sleep around, have tattoos, attention seekers, bisexual, rebellious etc are bad news/higher risk. This is pretty much standard knowledge to seasoned red pilled men.
    Men are becoming MGTOW by the millions, most without ever having heard the term. They are simply doing what all living organisms finding themselves in a toxic environment do. They adapt to it or remove themselves from it. Females are not liking either the adaptations or the removal.

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    I have reached a point in my life that I can not believe religion is originated from some source beyond human being! Therefore, my conclusion is that men who were in charge of the ancient societies and wrote the religious laws, were very well red-pilled and aware of female nature. That is why it seems that religion tries to control women.

    Let me tell you about an Islamic law (more like a recommendation than strict rule) which is (now) very fascinating to me! It asks men not to close the door when there is a only a female coworker (or student) in their offices! I always taught this law is to protect the female. However, I now see why there is such a recommendation for men. It actually could protect men from the false accusations by the said female that could ruin the life of any man these days.
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    Re: A Religious Perspective on What's Wrong with Women Today

    That guy would refer to mgtow as gays. Most likely because we weren't buying his PUA books.

    However a broken clock...

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    Re: A Religious Perspective on What's Wrong with Women Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    I used to be a christian. I have no respect whatever for a dude who defined his life by fornication and who now wants to bleat about the natural, God-given order. Not unless I see Roosh abase himself with *repentance*. Not unless ha can persuade me that he is genuinely *sorry* about the way that he has lived his life. Not until he stops blaming those sluts for the way he chose to live. As it is, he seems to think that getting religion is just the next stage on his personal journey. He seems to think that God is just a personal utility.

    The fucking hypocrisy of Roosh V of all people talking about how all them sluts are in rebellion against God.

    I dunno. I don't even believe in God anymore. But this just grinds my gears.

    I'm drunk. Is what it is.
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    Re: A Religious Perspective on What's Wrong with Women Today

    Does this guy think that this is news?
    Is he that stoopid, or are we just that smart?
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    Well, at least Roosh did not proclaim himself to be a new virgin....

    I looked through the article and it is well written. The tl;dr is: the female is rebelling if she prioritizes personal attention over humility in her faith. It will be interesting to see where this goes in terms of social shaming and the Church. For the past few decades, the Church has lionized single mothers to the extent that divorce is no longer shameful. Ironically, the mainstream Protestants love to damn masculinity but still demand tithes. I wonder why attendance has been in death spiral for a long time?

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    Re: A Religious Perspective on What's Wrong with Women Today

    Ironically, the mainstream Protestants love to damn masculinity but still demand tithes. I wonder why attendance has been in death spiral for a long time?
    Can't think of any churches that still respect men and what they offer in a family. I guess Christianity began heading south when it incorporated liberal ideas into its' teachings.

    Islam is heading there but slower. If a woman tries to divorce a man in Saudi, the first question a judge would ask, is what has he done wrong? And if he has treated you fairly, then if you go ahead with the divorce, you'll be entitled to nothing of his monies or possessions.
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    Re: A Religious Perspective on What's Wrong with Women Today

    The Bible explains a womans nature better than any book I can think of. Jezebels wickedness, Lots' daughters getting him drunk for sex to claim inheritance, Leah married Jacob when he thought it was Rachel, Delilah that brought down Samson, Eve being tempted and Adam going along as a symp, and of course the first me too in the Bible Potiphers wife
    Genesis 39:7
    And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
    Genesis 39:8
    But he refused...
    Genesis 39:11
    And it came to pass about this time, that
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    there was
    none of the men of the house there within.
    Genesis 39:12
    And she caught him by his garment, saying, Lie with me: and he left his garment in her hand, and fled, and got him out.
    Genesis 39:13
    And it came to pass, when she saw that he had left his garment in her hand, and was fled forth,
    Genesis 39:14
    That she called unto the men of her house, and spake unto them, saying, See, he hath brought in an Hebrew unto us to mock us; he came in unto me to lie with me...
    Genesis 39:20
    And Joseph's master took him, and put him into the prison,...





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    Re: A Religious Perspective on What's Wrong with Women Today

    I would respond to any Christian this way, current marriage is NOTHING like marriage described in the Bible. Feminists have perverted marriage to where its no longer recognizable as Biblical Marriage. Todays marriage is a business contract, with one side holding most of the power

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    Re: A Religious Perspective on What's Wrong with Women Today

    Quote Originally Posted by FrankS View Post
    I would respond to any Christian this way, current marriage is NOTHING like marriage described in the Bible. Feminists have perverted marriage to where its no longer recognizable as Biblical Marriage. Todays marriage is a business contract, with one side holding most of the power
    Today's marriage isn't happening the way and numbers it used to! Men are scarce for that purpose for a damn good reason! The word on marriage is that it's a bad situation. A disaster waiting to happen to any sucker that walks into it!

    I have no want or desire to strap on a women and go for the ride of a lifetime! Stress, worry, conflict, contradiction, hypocrisy, financial ruin, imprisonment, disease, and shit you haven't thought of, or won't see coming, all await you, one hard slap after another!

    I'd rather shove my head in a press!
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    I was asked about marriage one time, all I said was:

    Been there, done that, don't recommend it.
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    Re: A Religious Perspective on What's Wrong with Women Today

    Roosh's article is still true to his guiding principles in that women have deviated with what is natural. Whether Roosh talks about game or now from a christian point of view he is saying that women try to re-purpose themselves away from being female and try to be like men.

    I am pretty close to Roosh's age so I can relate to his thinking. I see younger women "rebelling" and yet what I see is wasted energy. That energy is better served for women to pursue activities that promote that feminine nature.

    Then I see women near my age who are mid to late 30s who are still rebelling. Who are they trying to impress? Me? Nope. Their parents or friends? Nope. A higher power? Nope.

    Women's hamster is so strong that it will compete with itself and burn out with exhaustion.

    While I am glad that Roosh is starting to see that life can be simpler if you accept the nature of things he does miss nuances. I agree with others that have brought up that he is still thinking in terms of binary views of women regarding thots or church angels.

    But with mgtow mindset it is more of a true gray area that women tend to go through their lives with by being able to flip the swtich from thot to church angel. Straight up all the women I thought were thots are actually very tame compared to the church angels...basically women inhabit this gray because society lets them.

    Roosh has the right track that societal rules dictate what women can and can not do. But I think he misses the picture that in that he presumes there to be unicorns out there aka good christian wives.

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    Re: A Religious Perspective on What's Wrong with Women Today

    It is off-topic but I have skipped his PUA day; what he has to say about the going-ons of the world on his BitChute (not sure if YT allows all his videos) is pretty much what most red-pilled men are talking about (red pill in a sense being hip beyond females and their shenanigans). I like watching his videos - despite the fact he doesn't quite care much about MGTOW - which to me at least speaks of his honest attempt at something and not just trying to cash in the next wave of male state of being.
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    Re: A Religious Perspective on What's Wrong with Women Today

    While I am glad that Roosh is starting to see that life can be simpler if you accept the nature of things he does miss nuances. I agree with others that have brought up that he is still thinking in terms of binary views of women regarding thots or church angels.

    But with mgtow mindset it is more of a true gray area that women tend to go through their lives with by being able to flip the swtich from thot to church angel. Straight up all the women I thought were thots are actually very tame compared to the church angels...basically women inhabit this gray because society lets them.
    I don't know if this is a feminist critique, but this idea, that men classify women as either bitches or angels, I would agree is inaccurate and actually oppressive towards women. We want equality, but won't extend it to women; especially when it comes to sexual matters.

    The injustice though, is that society allows women to switch between these two paradigms seamlessly.

    I was speaking to a good female friend of mine who mentioned that there is no such thing as a 'virgin'. A woman can choose to open herself up to the world (meaning sexually) or close herself off from the world (again meaning sexually). The implications of that are of course, that they can bitches when it suits them and virgins when it suits them. This is a classic example of female manipulation and duplicity.

    I would certainly agree that there is no such thing as a Virgin. The Virgin, is an idea, and it exists only as an idea. Virgin is not just some woman who has never had sex. It has a much deeper meaning, which no woman can actually attain, e.g 'Virgin Mary'; not only is she pure but also forgiving, co-redeemer, and is kind and solicitous to the suffering of her children (mankind).

    Azure, you have nicely pointed out that in your experience, many thots were quite tame compared to church going angels. I see something similar in Middle Eastern society.

    My soon to be wife from Saudi, (we were planning on getting married), told me she was a virgin and that she wanted to stay pure for me. I told her I wasn't interested in purity, I just wanted a relationships of equals, which baffled her. She was a muslim and pretty devout from what I encountered.

    I realise after the break-up, which she initiated (thank heavens), that she was sleeping with a friend of mine who was a tall Norwegian viking lookalike.
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    Re: A Religious Perspective on What's Wrong with Women Today

    Religion aside, I've watched the whole of society embrace every known historical social cancer known to man. I've seen this society adopt every device and mechanism that achieves disastrous ends.
    Every known vice they preserve and protect while attacking every know virtue and undermining it by the establishment of detrimental irreversible laws, orders, and so called equity.
    As a young child I had a glimpse of what was and lived through what became.
    Without emotion or religious convictions, using logic, deduction, and pragmatic reasoning, this society is on a warpath to its own ends and eventual obliteration.
    I've closed the door on this society as sure as closing a casket and having a funeral.
    A better question than asking "what's wrong with women" is asking "what's wrong with the law", why have the rules become such a determent and insurmountable obstacle to any man or woman of virtue?
    Why has it become so corrupt and allowed to remain that way? Reinforced that way? It seems mankind will never form an acceptable form of government and keep it that way, there's always gonna be snakes in any garden and no garden is eternal, all roads always end up leading to destruction and desertification, and this society is no exception, the poisons and toxins are already flowing through its veins, it's only a matter of time before the levels become lethal.

    I know what I'm talking about, I live on condemned land and forever placed in danger without redress or reprieve.

    It's only a matter of time before this society is dead and in its grave.

    The trustworthiness of this society is an abomination to any rational thinking man! I don't need religion to see that!
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