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    REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my fault

    First, thank you for reading my post. You are not obliged to give your opinion about my case, however, I would be thankful if I can have the chance to gain a different view on my situation.


    I am a post grad, with more or less a good position in my career. However, i haven't obtained my diploma. I got all my exams, but failed to deliver the thesis on time, since by the time I had to write my thesis, I was already working (then remote working), got Covid and I feel ashamed for admiting this, but the girl I used to love, moved abroad and had a new life and a new bf. Seeing her instagram got me severly depressed as well. The weeks for the thesis I was overstressed - had to work a mindless job ( I didnt want to rely on my parents), I was sick and I was struck with the biggest hearthache I have ever got.


    Here is when it becomes funny: now I am working in the field that I studied in university, depsite not having the final diploma. I hid this from my parents for nearly 2 years, until eventually I told them. I told my mother, that I lied to her, since I know how much she pressured me over grades during my 12 years in school, all the scandals until early in the monring for a bad grade, occaisonal beatings, limits on going out with friends. Basically, I had to be at home, alone, studying, and getting yelled at, called out gross names, suffer emtianal abuse and so on if i didn't meet her critieria. Keep in mind, this was a criteria I never asked for. Since the day I started school, I was an object of monitoring and control to excel in academics. And I more or less did it and eneded into a field that is interesting.


    Yesterday me and my mother had an argument on when will I finally get my diploma. I am on vacation from work and I stay at my home town in her place. I said to her that I will eventually will, but all the yelling from years back came to reality again. I asked her why does she priorotize a piece of paper or even a stupid grade over me, my wellbeing, my interests. I told her she should be happy, i am alive, healthy and I work, what more should she want?


    Then she answred with details on how much she supported me while studying in a different city. Which is true, my father mostly did nothing for my upbringing especially financialy. Funny thing is, I would have never chosen this career path even tough it is interesting. It was suggested by her. Second, I was working during my second year in university - yeah, it was a student's job, but I got some money. However all the time she was nagging that - this is a stupid job, it is interfering with university and stuff. I eventually quitted for a new summer job which was well payed, and didnt work for the remaining 1.5 in univerisity.


    So my question is - why do mothers feel entitled to expect and demand succes from their sons. Her point was that - "For me being healthy, alive and working is not enough, I think it is nomral. Sure my kid may not be one of the politicians that we see on TV but he should do more." This strangly reminds me of Kevin Samuel's talk with an entitled female about her " I will push my men and bring the best out of him so yeah, I would date a low value man, but will make him of high vale" to which Samuels replied "The problem with you females is that for a man that works and goes fishing in the weekend this could be enough, but you always want more".


    I have several ideas on my situation:


    1) woman's love is conditional - yes, even your mother's


    2) my father's deficits and especially monetary deficits put a burden on me to excell


    3) the fact that she really helped financially for a huge junk of my life gives her a reason to demand stuff


    What are your thoughts about this? Maybe I am at fault? Sure, I have a lot of shortcomings, but the emotianal trauma from all the pressuring about academic stuff took a toll on me as well. without her gentle advise on me choosing a career, I would have probbaly worked in cruise ships, since I wanted to be a tour guide in the Mediterranean. This means, travelling by a cruise shis to beutiful coast cities and leaving the vessel with a group of tourists to explain them the history of the place, interesting facts and so on.


    The family pressure for me was so hard, that several times in my life I made choices that contradict my interests. I don't know if I would be better off doing what my hearth wants or following a more narrow path, but to be honnest, I currently like my place in life, which would be impossible withouth my mother's support or even entitelment to good grades.

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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my faultFirst, thank you for reading my post. You are not obliged to give your opinion about my case, however, I would be thankful if I can have the chance to gain a different view on my situa

    What about living life and getting some enjoyment? You have to set aside some fun-time for yourself. For me I tend to overindulge, at times gluttony.

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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my faultFirst, thank you for reading my post. You are not obliged to give your opinion about my case, however, I would be thankful if I can have the chance to gain a different view on my situa

    It reads to me like she was helping you so she could see a return on her investment. It's not about you, this is about her. You need to satisfy her. Your material wealth and social status seem to be at the centre of her concern, not your spiritual growth of self-actualisation, which in my opinion is of primary importance and the purpose of this life.

    Let me ask you, what would/would have been the outcome if you'd resisted all family pressure, and pursued a life led by your heart?

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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my faultFirst, thank you for reading my post. You are not obliged to give your opinion about my case, however, I would be thankful if I can have the chance to gain a different view on my situa

    Thanks for the reply, i do indulge in ejoying activities, it is not that I don't do it. My question was if I am being ungrateful or if the matriarchy pimps my time and efforts and feels entitled to it, and does this even if it causes me turmoil.

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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my faultFirst, thank you for reading my post. You are not obliged to give your opinion about my case, however, I would be thankful if I can have the chance to gain a different view on my situa

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOW25 View Post


    I have several ideas on my situation:


    1) woman's love is conditional - yes, even your mother's


    2) my father's deficits and especially monetary deficits put a burden on me to excell


    3) the fact that she really helped financially for a huge junk of my life gives her a reason to demand stuff
    1. Not always, but a lot of times, yes.

    2. Yes.

    3. Unfortunately, yes. It's too bad she's not a little nicer about it, but that's the way it goes. It doesn't mean she can demand anything she wants, and you have to do it. But yeah, you owe her something. She could have spent that money on herself.

    I don't blame you for being sick of it all and finishing school sounds like more trouble than it's worth, since you already have a job. Looks like a tough call either way. Yours don't sound like much, but make her happy if you can. She's still your mom. Is there anything besides finishing school you could do for her that she would like?
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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my faultFirst, thank you for reading my post. You are not obliged to give your opinion about my case, however, I would be thankful if I can have the chance to gain a different view on my situa

    [QUOTE=Spooky;188166]It reads to me like she was helping you so she could see a return on her investment. It's not about you, this is about her. You need to satisfy her. Your material wealth and social status seem to be at the centre of her concern, not your spiritual growth of self-actualisation, which in my opinion is of primary importance and the purpose of this life.

    This was exactly my frustration with her, I was almost searching for words to explain, that my spiritual growth and feeling "at my place" was not important for her.

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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my faultFirst, thank you for reading my post. You are not obliged to give your opinion about my case, however, I would be thankful if I can have the chance to gain a different view on my situa

    Continuing my answer to Spooky:

    I have experience in enterntainment - as a host for theme parties, bachelor parties and so on. I loved it when my audience was leaving full of joy because I have turned the show in a way so they can participate. I was never happier than these moments. And I got great feedback from collegues, observers and so on. to be honnest I should have scaled it up to a full time job/business and not only a seasonal endeavour.

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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my faultFirst, thank you for reading my post. You are not obliged to give your opinion about my case, however, I would be thankful if I can have the chance to gain a different view on my situa

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    1. Not always, but a lot of times, yes.

    2. Yes.

    3. Unfortunately, yes. It's too bad she's not a little nicer about it, but that's the way it goes. It doesn't mean she can demand anything she wants, and you have to do it. But yeah, you owe her something. She could have spent that money on herself.

    I don't blame you for being sick of it all and finishing school sounds like more trouble than it's worth, since you already have a job. Looks like a tough call either way. Yours don't sound like much, but make her happy if you can. She's still your mom. Is there anything besides finishing school you could do for her that she would like?
    Thank you for the answer, I will try to get the diploma this fall, hopefully I am not pass the registration period for the thesis otherwise I will have to wait untill next summer. Apart from this I already wrote more than 50 percent of it, but then long story short covid, blue pill hearthbreak and work got in the way.

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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my faultFirst, thank you for reading my post. You are not obliged to give your opinion about my case, however, I would be thankful if I can have the chance to gain a different view on my situa

    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky View Post
    It reads to me like she was helping you so she could see a return on her investment. It's not about you, this is about her. You need to satisfy her. Your material wealth and social status seem to be at the centre of her concern, not your spiritual growth of self-actualisation, which in my opinion is of primary importance and the purpose of this life.
    Came on here to say exactly what Spooky has just said - so instead I will just amplify. There are some signs of narcissism that are manifesting in that parenting style.

    When a parent is looking at their child as simply an investment and their concern is on maximising their return, while showing little to no interest in the child's own burgeoning individuality or identity, that is usually indicative to me of a personality disorder.

    My investments are THINGS. I do not care about the welfare of the THINGS that I own except in one way - the use that I can get out of them and the benefit they will provide ME.

    If I were to treat a CHILD of mine like a THING that is there to maximise MY WELFARE - that is a strong indicator of a narcissistic style of parenting.

    This is opposed to the healthy, non disordered parenting style that looks to facilitate and foster the uniqueness of the child's own individual personality, talents, and identity.

    Carl Jung stated that the goal of every human being was to INDIVIDUATE - to become the best expression of their own individual humanity.

    A narcissistic parent is not interested in the welfare of the child except as it pertains to the welfare of the parent. Kind of like how I might only care about the health of a race horse I am betting on, because a healthy horse is more likely to win me my jackpot. After the race is run, there is no need to think about the horse. What do I care if it is sold to the glue factory, as long as I have won my money.

    In the same way your mother won't care if you are miserable in your chosen career or living a life or quiet desperation, as long as the money is coming in and she can gain social approval for your respectable job.

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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my faultFirst, thank you for reading my post. You are not obliged to give your opinion about my case, however, I would be thankful if I can have the chance to gain a different view on my situa

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacknife View Post
    In the same way your mother won't care if you are miserable in your chosen career or living a life or quiet desperation, as long as the money is coming in and she can gain social approval for your respectable job.
    This basically sums up the situation in one sentence. This is the red pill.

    MGTOW25, if your mother cannot endorse and prioritise your spiritual, self-actualised well-being above your income and status level, then that's her limitation as a human, and not yours. Follow your heart. When you go to your grave, if there is life after this life, I don't think it would have mattered how large or flashy your car and house were. It's how much you've refined your soul and managed to relinquish materiality which will really count. If there is no life after this life, then you can lie on your deathbed facing the oblivion knowing you lived a happy life through your heart, and not another person's social insecurities. Now that would be satisfaction, right? Not how many bedrooms your house had, and whether the fence was the correct shade of white for others' approval.

    Also, I think it's wonderful that your audience left with joy, and that gave you joy. Isn't that much more of a win-win situation? You're not some back-stabbing corporate manager who hurts others to get to the top. I think you're a gentle and positive soul who makes this world a little more pleasant to live in. That's way more valuable in my opinion, and the opinions of most others here, I'm sure.

    I believe there are two ways to define success. Social success, and personal success. The former seeks approval from others, is focused on the material, and is the weaker position, the latter seeks approval from self, is focused on the spiritual, and is the stronger position. From a social viewpoint I'm a total failure (age 43, no wife, no kids, rent a room in someone else's house, drive a 22 year old Nissan Micra with dents, truck driver). From a personal viewpoint, oh man, I cant even begin to tell you how much of a winner I feel. I'm always walking on cloud 9, and I absolutely LOVE life, and my life.
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    Though your post is detailed, OP I still can't answer your questions. Because I don't know you nor your mom. It could be she genuinely wanted you to succeed but was bad in relaying that message. It could also be you were a lazy fuck in your youth but very intelligent. Putting you under pressure could have been the only way she saw for you to proceed. But she also could be a narcissist pressuring you to gain status for herself. And I might think of 20 more reasons.
    My advice to you however is not even worry about the "why did she do that?" question but instead put your ass back behind the PC and write that thesis. The hardest thing of writing a thesis is to start it. But once you're going, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Seeing your post, I think writing isn't a problem at all for you. Getting your grade will make you much more free in your career. Now you're basically 'stuck' with this company who wanted to hire you. If you want to look elsewhere in the current situation, you always have to explain why you didn't finish your studies. Placing you in a ongoing disadvantage because you signal being a quitter.

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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my fault

    Hi MGTOW25,

    I had an older sister who, when I was 19 and directionless, pointed me to a company where I subsequently got hired and went on to have a 37-year career with them. I often think about how my sister influenced the direction of my life and what I might have become if left to my own confusion. Perhaps I would have grown anyway to find my direction.

    My sister in later years turned out to be a horrible person, harmfully criticizing me and other siblings. I could not put up with her even though I credit her for that very important life-changing thing she did for me years before. I chafed under her continued expectations. You chafe under your mother's continued expectations. I had to separate myself from my sister for my own mental health while she will always be someone who did me a good thing a very long time ago.

    Changing the subject, I must do some housekeeping in terms of understanding if you are MGTOW or are merely between relationships since the time of your last love.

    Please answer each of these two questions as Yes or No:

    1) Do you have hopes for a girlfriend or wife, or of having an emotional relationship with a woman?

    2) If a woman wanted to have an emotional relationship with you, would you let it happen?

    Post your replies here in this thread.

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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my fault

    Good advice for bad reasons!?!?!?

    It’s a bit of a mind-fuck alright.

    I agree with RedPilledSimp in that we cannot possibly know the whole truth in your situation.

    I also agree with Unboxxed in that it’s possible to recognise that her meddling helped things to turn out well for you – you seem happy in your career – without feeling the need to constantly ignore any ongoing meddling.

    IMO you should be grateful for where you are now, as I’m sure you are, but now you’re wondering at what expense? Where would my life had led me otherwise?

    It is not uncommon for those of us (yes me also) that have suffered a major depressive episode in our lives to consider such things, but this is destructive thinking and is the road to even more depression.

    What if I had have done things different?

    Well you didn’t and neither did I. Harsh I know but it’s the truth.

    For every path we take in life we close off many others. Taking some time out to think about “what could have been” is intriguing, natural and sometimes even healthy as it can open one’s views as to where we want to go from here.

    Dwelling upon these things, however, is a bad thing. REALLY bad.

    “I could have been (insert anything you care to here)” is non-productive. You are where you are; the only question you should dwell upon now is how to improve your lot, and getting that diploma can do no harm but open many options.

    You’re happy in your current career. Be happy that you’re happy and stop beating yourself up.

    As for your mom, she gave you a direction. Maybe she was overbearing at times, maybe she still is, I can’t say, but wouldn’t it have been worse if she didn’t give a shit and allowed you run rampant with no direction at all?

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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my faultFirst, thank you for reading my post. You are not obliged to give your opinion about my case, however, I would be thankful if I can have the chance to gain a different view on my situa

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    What about living life and getting some enjoyment? You have to set aside some fun-time for yourself. For me I tend to overindulge, at times gluttony.
    You have to take care of yourself. I am not going to short change myself. Time to enjoy myself while I'm here.
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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my fault

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post

    Please answer each of these two questions as Yes or No:

    1) Do you have hopes for a girlfriend or wife, or of having an emotional relationship with a woman?

    2) If a woman wanted to have an emotional relationship with you, would you let it happen?

    Post your replies here in this thread.

    Thank you.
    1) NO!!! Even before the hearthbreak from 2 years ago I was redpill-aware, due to me spending a lot of time with my female cousins. I only have female cousins, and when a mean a lot, I mean sometimes several months in a row just for one calendar year. And I spended time with them up until my early teens. I learned from them what female narcisism means, how females lie and how quick are they put the blame on somebody else even for simple childish stuff. As I grew older I despised shallow females with all my hearth. However my true red pill moment came in late 2018 with Sandman's videos. To be honnest, I first heard of redpill and mgtow from a comment under a PUA video . About the "last love"

    - I am totaly past it

    - It started in late 2016 - years before my red pill experience, although it parralleled with my red pill education up until 2020

    - I was the one who initiated the sparation in the summer in 2020, although I still had "feelings"

    - Consuming red pill content builds up your inner resentments due to you seing the reality. Slowly but steadilymy perspective on the realtionship changed, and tbh I called it quits after a Darious mgtow video that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

    These 4 points bring me to the conclusion that: I am not an impulsive redpill/mgtow, nor am I letting feelings override reason, epecially redpill reason. I have consumed and evaluated redpill information for at least 1.5 years before using my mind/reason for ending a relationship where I still had feelings.
    Being a "non-impulsive mgtow" makes it more possible for me to stay redpill instead of using the red pill as a reactinary instrument for unpleasant situations, but reverting back to the blue pill after the "storm" has calmed down.

    For the past 2 years I havent dated, if we dont count a short friends with benefits relationship I had with a former co-student from univeristy but we now live in different countries, plus I never loved her. I don't need female validation, because most of the females are shallow, and those who are not as shallow have other shortcomings from their female nature. Sometimes I even avoid them because although their looks, they are not worth the time. I have nothing of value to gain from them and I often leave their messages on 'read".


    No matter the "oneitis" periods in my life I never wanted to marry - the collegues that I worked with are 40-50 year old men and they gave me an oportuity to be a spectataor of family life and divorce withouth having to go through it myself.

    2) After taking the red pill the term "emotional relationship" brings an ironic smirk on my face. Why should I want them and why should I care about emotional relationships in the first place? The last woman who tried for several months to seduce me at work was mesmerized when I told her that my needs from a woman were A) for her to be hot 2) for her to be very hot - effectively mocking and trolling her 5 minute seld advertisement of the virtues of inteligent women, who want a partner to build a life with. (she was neither intelliegent, and "building your life with a partner" means spedning money on her stupid superficial dreams)

    Apart from "emotional relationships", I also try to avoid sexual ones. First, because superficiality in women now brings me even more disgust than before. Exactly for that reason I have cut contacts with the cowerker that was flirting with me. I didnt' even enjoy my bachelor's freedom to enjoy her sexually due to me being disgusted with female superficiality. I count this as my biggest win in MGTOW because sure - we can rationalise all day on why women are to be avoided, but when you have the disgust subconciously - this makes you feel like you are on a whole different level.

    To sum up - other than sex, i dont feel the need to socialize with women.

    Since a kid, I never liked female media (books, movies etc), started disliking female company (my cousins and their narcisitic manipulative character) later on seing the same female nature traits in other women (I avoided some girls from my class due to their female nature, so much that they started saying that I have "a phobia from females" to pressure me to socialize with them), as an older guy due to redpill knowledge, I started to dislike relatonships (they are transaction based, and female to male love doesn't exist), I always despised marriage (even talked about my choice to my mom several months ago, to which she tried to pressure me by asking why I spend "so much time" with a gay friend of mine, but i don't want to get married)... although For 2022 we have seen eachother 3 times in total, tbh the "gay friend" is very inteligent and a good guy. I hate lgbt activism, but I dont mind drinking a cup of coffee with a friend from univeristy every 3-4 months even if he is gay. Finally: sex. Despite me craving the meat curtains, I try to practice "semen retention" or what Joseph from the Bibble practiced. Thus I am further limiting the reasons for me to interact with females.

    Sorry for the long reply, as for the analogy with your sister, I really like it. Considering all the answers that I recieved, my situatuion with my mother is probably mixture of several different aspects. She may have wanted the best for me, thus pushing and pressuring. She may have treated me like an investment raher than an individual. And sometimes the wrong goal leads to the right place. But really thank you for the reply. Please accept my best wishes.

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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my fault

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post

    You’re happy in your current career. Be happy that you’re happy and stop beating yourself up.

    As for your mom, she gave you a direction. Maybe she was overbearing at times, maybe she still is, I can’t say, but wouldn’t it have been worse if she didn’t give a shit and allowed you run rampant with no direction at all?
    Thanks! Actually I am really happy at my current phase and career. Thanks for reminding me that, also it could have been worse if she didn't gave shit and I was to run rampant. Since English is not my first language, I wouldn't be interacting with you if she didn't insist on learning English early on.

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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my fault

    First, I may be wrong but, why can’t someone (yourself) that’s college-educated spell better than a high school drop-out (myself)? Both of my little brothers have college degrees, and would dis-own me if I wrote that terrible…

    Maybe, English is your second language, I don’t know…

    Second. Are you a grown man or a boy?

    Do your own thing, and periodically pay your mother back for all of the help she’s given you with nice gifts, getting your own place, and lies about how you have a beautiful girlfriend.

    She will then, leave you alone, until she wants to meet your girlfriend and nags you to make grandchildren…But, you will have your own place, so you don’t have to answer the phone every time it rings…

    If you want to tweak her melon a little bit, to get her to back off then start dressing like a punk rocker, get a piece of crap car, and be smoking a joint next time you ring her doorbell…

    I think you’re still a boy because you choose to be. Get your own place, establish your own rules, and then you can get the respect a man deserves from his mommy…

    Oh, and by the way, the only woman that will ever love you is your mother. Because you are an extension of her, and women are naturally narcissistic…

    I’d be more concerned about earning my father’s respect, as he’s no-doubt, not been able to teach you man-things…

    All of you other dudes here need to take off the kid-gloves on these youngens…

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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my faultFirst, thank you for reading my post. You are not obliged to give your opinion about my case, however, I would be thankful if I can have the chance to gain a different view on my situa

    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky View Post
    This basically sums up the situation in one sentence. This is the red pill.
    Also, I think it's wonderful that your audience left with joy, and that gave you joy. Isn't that much more of a win-win situation? You're not some back-stabbing corporate manager who hurts others to get to the top. I think you're a gentle and positive soul who makes this world a little more pleasant to live in. That's way more valuable in my opinion, and the opinions of most others here, I'm sure.

    I believe there are two ways to define success. Social success, and personal success. The former seeks approval from others, is focused on the material, and is the weaker position, the latter seeks approval from self, is focused on the spiritual, and is the stronger position. From a social viewpoint I'm a total failure (age 43, no wife, no kids, rent a room in someone else's house, drive a 22 year old Nissan Micra with dents, truck driver). From a personal viewpoint, oh man, I cant even begin to tell you how much of a winner I feel. I'm always walking on cloud 9, and I absolutely LOVE life, and my life.
    First, thank your for the kind words. Indeed "social insecurities" is a very accurate way to describe her mindset. About the audeience, yes I have felt more freedom having fun with people in that field rather than being serious in a fake corporate environment.

    About your life, I am very glad that you feel happy. Indeed social succes looks for external approval. I am probbaly a more spiritual pearson since I know how much stronger and happier somebody is when he is aligned with his own self. So I salute you.

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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my fault

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOW25 View Post
    2) After taking the red pill the term "emotional relationship" brings an ironic smirk on my face. Why should I want them and why should I care about emotional relationships in the first place? The last woman who tried for several months to seduce me at work was mesmerized when I told her that my needs from a woman were A) for her to be hot 2) for her to be very hot - effectively mocking and trolling her 5 minute seld advertisement of the virtues of inteligent women, who want a partner to build a life with. (she was neither intelliegent, and "building your life with a partner" means spedning money on her stupid superficial dreams)

    Apart from "emotional relationships", I also try to avoid sexual ones. First, because superficiality in women now brings me even more disgust than before. Exactly for that reason I have cut contacts with the cowerker that was flirting with me. I didnt' even enjoy my bachelor's freedom to enjoy her sexually due to me being disgusted with female superficiality. I count this as my biggest win in MGTOW because sure - we can rationalise all day on why women are to be avoided, but when you have the disgust subconciously - this makes you feel like you are on a whole different level.

    To sum up - other than sex, i dont feel the need to socialize with women.
    2) Where is the Yes or No that I asked for? You make me have to read all of that and decide for you if it is a YES or a NO!

    I have met a man who talked as strongly as you about not wanting a woman. Then after a paragraph of that he concluded, "But, if it was her idea, that is a different story.." !!!!

    Do you see how men's minds play games? So, I give each man two questions.

    I placed in bold two examples of your "I" statements. They fit Question #1 which is all about when the relationship is your idea. Question #2 is all about when the relationship is her idea. I cannot see that you have clearly answered that second question.

    Please try again to answer Question #2 as Yes or No.

    Thank you.
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    Re: REDPILL and mothers: Am I missing something, or is it my fault

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOW25 View Post
    Despite me craving the meat curtains,


    "meat curtains"

    How to paint a picture with words.

    LMAO.


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