Thread: THE greatest red pill video ever

Originally Posted by Opaque

Okay, so how many members reported my post? As far as I can see, probably only or two people have reported the post. And some members actually agree with what I have shared. You can't be giving warnings out just because one or two people found the post inappropriate.

i found the post just plain wrong (and your repeated apparent desire to praise women a little disturbing)
if women are better at relationships, i repeat, why is it always them filing for divorce?

imho, men are best at everything, and if we had a womb we'd probably be better at giving birth!

Originally Posted by Opaque

You've given me a warning for inappropriate language. How is it inappropriate to say women are superior to men in social affairs. This is very simple and can be observed in everyday life.

You and I have already talked about the problem. That you now return to your beginning point of our discussion shows me that you are being artificial here.

"Inappropriate language" is pre-selected verbiage in the software. I tick a box, it shows us those words. The most fitting of the boxes available to tick.

Okay, so how many members reported my post? As far as I can see, probably only or two people have reported the post. And some members actually agree with what I have shared. You can't be giving warnings out just because one or two people found the post inappropriate.

I gave you a warning because you can't seem to retain the discussion you and I had. It's easy for others to agree with you when only you write that which gets the warning.

I am calm, and have no idea where this idea that I am "losing my grip" is coming from.

Not losing. I said do not lose your grip. I did not say you had lost it. Verb tense, please. I fear, though, that you are determined on a course that won't help anything. You are indeed carrying on about this.

I do not own a feminist narrative, but if some aspects of feminist narrative overlaps with MGTOW; then I have no qualms about that - the truth is the truth. And "metal candlepower" so this is supposed to be an insult of some sorts then?

Bullshit. Don't get clever. You actually state feminist narrative as your own. In bold, caps, and underline. You can gaslight yourself, but you cannot gaslight me. With your artifice, gaslighting, and bald-faced bullshit, you're starting to annoy me, bud.

Mental candlepower is a synonym for intelligence. It's an old phrase (you are not from America, right?) Yes, I used it here to leverage a person's intelligence against his possible desire to be less intelligent. To the extent this leverage offends you, well okay. But, it doesn't have to.


Speaking of annoying me, let me revisit something you said which really ticks me off:

I should very much like to know who reported my post - because it is something to be clarified and discussed - not shut down and receive a warning for. We don't resolve differenced by reporting a post.

Do you have any clue how insulting that is to me? Do you realize the things you write? You write here that you need clarification and discussion. Oh really? What was our prior discussion all about, then? The one that you and I had? What, it didn't happen? I spent an hour and a half composing that message for you and none of it fucking matters? Because, what, now you see in this Report an opportunity to try out your brand of bullshit on a different person?

Not shut down and receive a warning for, you wrote. You spun that perfectly, to make yourself a victim. Fuck. We don't resolve differenced by reporting a post. As if the Report was the first you heard of this. Fuck.

Opaque, you have a lot to offer but you are one phony motherfucker at times, and yeah I am pissed off right now.

You cry about people not seeing your prior posts and context but look how you keep returning to a newborn point of innocence. Fuck.

I suggest you give a think to the words you write. Turn off your megaphone and your alarmist way of drawing attention to your thoughts.

And, please, go back and review our fucking discussion and then act like you understand and meant what you wrote.

Now 0pe has two assholes to shit from! Look at the bright side, you'll never be constipated!

i found the post just plain wrong (and your repeated apparent desire to praise women a little disturbing)
if women are better at relationships, i repeat, why is it always them filing for divorce?

imho, men are best at everything, and if we had a womb we'd probably be better at giving birth!

"Just plain wrong?" So that is supposed to be an argument then? Do you have any facts, life experience commonly shared by the fellow members that men are better at social affairs than women?

You don't. You're simple repeating something which you have no evidence for. How many men benefit from divorce and get to milk a rich women for millions? Sounds like you just want to puff-up manhood to make yourself feel good about the fact that you are a man; and this is a very common problem most MGTOW have. There is no point in making a positive statement about men, just so you, as a man can feel good about yourself - that is living in fantasy.

I already answered your Q about divorce. Look at page 2 post #31. You keep bring this point up and I am telling you it is a TradCon dream if you think you can out-manipulate women in social affairs. This is a fundamental aspect to MGTOW - and cannot be challenged as it is evident and clear that women benefit highly from divorce and it is a part of their plan ever since they set their eyes on you.

To challenge this would be to dismantle a fundamental tenet of MGTOW - and MGTOW would cease to be MGTOW.

And you further go ahead and say that "men are best at everything". That is why men break their backs in building sites, do dangerous jobs, work hard for peanuts and are honest to their own detriment. You are talking pure fantasy and self-aggrandisement. There would be no need for MGTOW to even exist if men had a strong grip on all the levers of social, political, economic aspects in life.

"apparent desire to praise women" is not a desire, nor is it praising. I will not hesitate to restate the obvious - in order to be a MGTOW, you must understand that women have superior manipulation skills - especially in the area of relationships and social affairs.

Only then can you begin to understand how women operate - and defend yourself accordingly.

Originally Posted by Opaque

"Just plain wrong?" So that is supposed to be an argument then? Do you have any facts, life experience commonly shared by the fellow members that men are better at social affairs than women?

You don't. You're simple repeating something which you have no evidence for. How many men benefit from divorce and get to milk a rich women for millions? Sounds like you just want to puff-up manhood to make yourself feel good about the fact that you are a man; and this is a very common problem most MGTOW have. There is no point in making a positive statement about men, just so you, as a man can feel good about yourself - that is living in fantasy.

I already answered your Q about divorce. Look at page 2 post #31. You keep bring this point up and I am telling you it is a TradCon dream if you think you can out-manipulate women in social affairs. This is a fundamental aspect to MGTOW - and cannot be challenged as it is evident and clear that women benefit highly from divorce and it is a part of their plan ever since they set their eyes on you.

To challenge this would be to dismantle a fundamental tenet of MGTOW - and MGTOW would cease to be MGTOW.

And you further go ahead and say that "men are best at everything". That is why men break their backs in building sites, do dangerous jobs, work hard for peanuts and are honest to their own detriment. You are talking pure fantasy and self-aggrandisement. There would be no need for MGTOW to even exist if men had a strong grip on all the levers of social, political, economic aspects in life.

"apparent desire to praise women" is not a desire, nor is it praising. I will not hesitate to restate the obvious - in order to be a MGTOW, you must understand that women have superior manipulation skills - especially in the area of relationships and social affairs.

Only then can you begin to understand how women operate - and defend yourself accordingly.

As a MGTOW, I ask you, how, at what angle, can I be manipulated by the best of manipulating women? Where do they get the opportunity when immediately I nip it in the bud like professional gardener?

I groom my life by keeping the weeds out, and that's where as a man I'm invincible! There's no further measures to take!

Women ONLY have "superior manipulating skills on "MEN" that "allow it". Their shit falls on its face when they try it on one another, and it's why they're so fucking miserable and back biting around each other!

Your angle is from the soft underside of a symp, not from the hardened and refined alloy steel with MGTOW Nickle!

Our only weakness lies in surrender, and surrender I WILL NOT!

They wanted gender war and they GOT GENDER WAR!

For the lady lurkers, sorry princess, the fairytale's over, time to tow the line or stay behind, free ride is over. But don't worry, who knows when the next manipulatable symp strolls along, perhaps tomorrow, perhaps never, either way, I'm too far ahead to ever go back! Relationships are canceled and they're canceled forever. You go girl, and keep on marching, some day, or perhaps never, you'll get there, as for me, I've arrived decades ago!

Another thing, Ope, try to see it from this side, where all forms female manipulation has been "RESOLVED".

Originally Posted by Unboxxed

I think you won't understand because you prefer letting your active mind take this too far in a search for stimulating conversation. Intellectuals are often easily triggered into intellectualism. Friction stimulates you. That's what I think, sir.

Point taken.

As a MGTOW, I ask you, how, at what angle, can I be manipulated by the best of manipulating women? Where do they get the opportunity when immediately I nip it in the bud like professional gardener?

Okay, so I don't know how old you are or your profession. If you live out in countryside and don't interact with any women - then obviously you won't be manipulated. The majority of men work in corporations and have to deal with women their whole lives.

And I am sure you had a mother - which is the first point of manipulation for all men. Mothers willfully hold back information about female manipulation. They are silently rooting for the gynocracy.

Women ONLY have "superior manipulating skills on "MEN" that "allow it".

Men don't allow it. How can a five, 10, 15 year old know if he is being manipulated? - he is too young. Eventually he may find out - but some damage is already done by then.

Your angle is from the soft underside of a symp, not from the hardened and refined alloy steel with MGTOW Nickle!

No. Nothing to do with soft-simp. This is the REALITY for most men - until they begin to understand what I am talking about that manipulation starts VERY early on for the boy. These men aren't simps - they are simply unaware and I've put a heck of a lot of effort on this forum explaining that. I have been on this forum for probably more than 7 years now - and I have put a lot of time and effort and won't accept someone simply dismissing my thesis lightly. This isn't some playground!

Another thing, Ope, try to see it from this side, where all forms female manipulation has been "RESOLVED".

Yes, but we want the younger men to get to this RESOLVED stage earlier than the age we got to it. We don't want them to find out about it at the age of 30/40/50, but much younger - ideally in teenage years. That is a noble endeavour! Dismissing my well formed argument, which I have backed up with years of experience, with one liners and mocking my view point does nothing aside from make one feel good about oneself.

Men don't allow it. How can a five, 10, 15 year old know if he is being manipulated? - he is too young. Eventually he may find out - but some damage is already done by then.

My father warned about many things, and one thing was that people fall in love and out of love and I neve forgot that. Boys without fathers gravitate toward gangs, it's only there they find structure and unity. They learn, you're just not giving them credit. With all the increases in feminism and gynocentrism over time, has caused more and more men to opt out by being noncommittal, nailing down marriage for a women has become an effort like nailing Jell-O to the ceiling! And yes, we are making a difference, we tore the wheels off feminism's cart and shot the horse.

No. Nothing to do with soft-simp. This is the REALITY for most men - until they begin to understand what I am talking about that manipulation starts VERY early on for the boy. These men aren't simps - they are simply unaware and I've put a heck of a lot of effort on this forum explaining that. I have been on this forum for probably more than 7 years now - and I have put a lot of time and effort and won't accept someone simply dismissing my thesis lightly. This isn't some playground!

For me the gender war started young. A feminist teacher demanded we address her with the prefix "Mizz", I did not, would not, and when pushed I called her a "cunt" under my breath but loud enough to be heard and hid behind plausible deniability, and sent to the vise principle's office where I spoke candidly with "him" calling her a cunt! Every man teacher in that school liked me for standing up to a teacher cunt demanding I use words not recognized by the English Language, I was smarter than the teacher and it wasn't hard! I was saying what every man was feeling towards that fucking cunt! I've been at this a hell of allot longer than 7 years, that was in the mid 70's at the height of the riots and blossoming radical feminism! The only thing they achieve is men hating their fucking guts!

I was gonna write more, but now, I need to go outside and find something to kill!

I havent been here nearly as long as many here. But I did understand since a teen, I was programmed by female grade school teachers to accept some level of manipulation, game playing, gaslighting, sh1t testing etc, if I wanted cooperation from women. But I have not matured enough to say a man can simply stop all of it without cost.

Maybe we can reconcile this discussion, by thinking of female nature as a currency. Mgtower wont accept this currency under any condition, but Opaque will accept the currency using red pill knowledge on a case by case basis. I think the sticking point is, his posts could be seen as if he admires his own ability to know when to accept the currency. If he can do it, all the more power to him. I tend to be moving the other direction, and just ghosting women. Even when working with them, just turn off the switch. They learn fast its a waste of time and effort to try any of their ponzi schemes on me

Originally Posted by FrankS

I havent been here nearly as long as many here. But I did understand since a teen, I was programmed by female grade school teachers to accept some level of manipulation, game playing, gaslighting, sh1t testing etc, if I wanted cooperation from women. But I have not matured enough to say a man can simply stop all of it without cost.

Maybe we can reconcile this discussion, by thinking of female nature as a currency. Mgtower wont accept this currency under any condition, but Opaque will accept the currency using red pill knowledge on a case by case basis. I think the sticking point is, his posts could be seen as if he admires his own ability to know when to accept the currency. If he can do it, all the more power to him. I tend to be moving the other direction, and just ghosting women. Even when working with them, just turn off the switch. They learn fast its a waste of time and effort to try any of their ponzi schemes on me

it's not the currency, it's the EXCHANGE RATE!

Originally Posted by Opaque

Sounds like you just want to puff-up manhood to make yourself feel good about the fact that you are a man; and this is a very common problem most MGTOW have. There is no point in making a positive statement about men, just so you, as a man can feel good about yourself - that is living in fantasy............... only then can you begin to understand how women operate - and defend yourself accordingly.

I earned all my own money, and retired age 45, that's enough to make me feel good about myself.
I defend myself by never being alone with western women.

No need to understand women, or tigers, or snakes or other dangerous creatures if you avoid being their prey.
I don't need their co-operation.

Originally Posted by Opaque

The majority of men work in corporations and have to ...

May slightly be off topic, but that is I think the bigger problem in itself than women. If I have to list the things I'd like to avoid, starting from most dangerous to least dangerous, I'd say :

- Government***
- Corporations***
- Men (who are simps and cucks)***
- Women
- Education System
- Modern consumerism (hollywood, junk food, etc)

*** EXTREMELY dangerous.

@MGTOWER

Every man teacher in that school liked me for standing up to a teacher cunt demanding I use words not recognized by the English Language, I was smarter than the teacher and it wasn't hard! I was saying what every man was feeling towards that fucking cunt! I've been at this a hell of allot longer than 7 years, that was in the mid 70's at the height of the riots and blossoming radical feminism! The only thing they achieve is men hating their fucking guts!

So that is it then? That one experience means you have so much influence, power and leverage over women?


You see, this kind of relaxed attitude towards what it means to be a MGTOW is actually part of the whole problem with MGTOW. You have given me one experience in your life where you seemingly think you were able to resist a female teacher's demand of you to use her preferred pre-fix.


Meanwhile women are well ahead invading all manner of spaces from cigar lounges to physics departments at universities. Yes, let us congratulate ourselves on refusing to use a pre-fix.

You actually do know Jordan Peterson claim to fame was by refusing to use a Trans pronoun?. and how much fucking damage has he done to masculinity through his re-invention of the Tradcon narrative!? You have men who think all you have to do is clean your room and be heroic to achieve manhood!


@MrWalton

I earned all my own money, and retired age 45, that's enough to make me feel good about myself.

I defend myself by never being alone with western women.


No need to understand women, or tigers, or snakes or other dangerous creatures if you avoid being their prey.
I don't need their co-operation.

Again, here we have a very relaxed attitude about what it means to actually be a man in the 21st century. Just make some money, save up, retire early and go out into the woods. So this is the advice we are meant to give to the younger generations?


This is not MGTOW. There must be a certain intensity and drive to want to share your views with others, and in detail. Not one line responses to several posts some of which are pages long.


@Unboxxed

Bullshit. Don't get clever. You actually state feminist narrative as your own. In bold, caps, and underline. You can gaslight yourself, but you cannot gaslight me. With your artifice, gaslighting, and bald-faced bullshit, you're starting to annoy me, bud.

You've given me a warning about "inappropriate language". I want to know if holding a feminist view is "inappropriate" or if it was the strident remarks you've given me a warning for, recognising female ability to manipulate social situations and making a comparison with men, and furthermore saying that men cannot compete in this regard, is not anti-Mgtow. I do not come on this forum to only discuss positive aspects of being a man. I leave that for scumbags like Jordan Peterson and other TradCons.


From the message I received, you have given me a warning about this post.

Men own jack shit in the Middle East. Muslim men are raised to be good little boys by their nannies who are often not from the same culture and don't even speak Arabic. Most of the men I know have bitch tits and overly - attached to their mothers; that is what a lack of sex will do to you. Perpetually a child, perpetually dumb and infantile!

And please be my guest if YOU think you can "own" women LOL!!


YOU WILL NEVER ACCOMPLISH THIS. Women have high quality manipulation and can make you act like a slave even if you have "control". I don't care how intelligent - even if you are Einstein; women are FAR superior to men when it comes to relationships and social matters.

Is it a feminist narrative to admit that women have better social skills and are better at manipulating people to get ahead in life? I don't actually think it is - and most feminists would disagree. They see women as victims, in any given situation.


And, it wouldn't even matter. Women do have superior skills in social affairs and the ability to manipulate situations. This is a fundamental tenet of MGTOW and simply cannot be faulted. We can sure discuss it, at length even, but it cannot be faulted, or so far I have yet to see anyone able to fault this view.


I will continue insisting upon this point and have no qualms about saying so - nothing to do with a crusade - it is a principle which I will not budge on. I shall also say, that no bullshit one-liners from anyone else on this forum will be able to challenge this view. I will not accept bullshit one-liner accusation about being anti-male when I have spent 7 fucking years on this forum sharing my insights and supporting men in their journey to becoming MGTOW.


I will not accept your uncalled for and unjustified insults or bullshit one liner accusations/responses. You talk about violation of principles and here you are insulting me.


MGTOW is serious business, not an identity where you can puff yourself up just so you can feel good about being a man - while women are progressing at our expense day by day and not allowing this very fact to NOT be addressed - even if in a strident manner. MGTOW men need to know the scale of shit we are in, not puff themselves up, while wanking yourself congratulations for being a man! What a load of shit!

Oh how I would love to press the report button on many BULLSHIT posts where some so called MGTOW chat shit "Woman are emotional, Men are rational". Now how about that for STRIDENT remark!? Never heard so much simplistic bullshit in my entire life!

You literally have posts where it is just one liners saying "men are better" "women can't do anything". Yea, how fucking constructive!

@ Ope, you're thinking too hard. I was only 14 then, later years I could con the panties off a nun! My "fuck-it-all" attitude has served me well! The only weakness men have when dealing with women is "concern", once that's gone, there's nothing left to manipulate.

Originally Posted by mgtower

The only weakness men have when dealing with women is "concern", once that's gone, there's nothing left to manipulate.

THAT is a great point!

Men are able to manipulate other men with speech using lies and fallacies. There is nothing women could do better than men logically.

I am used to say that women take advantage of men's best intentions. But those "best intentions" are actually special consideration or concern for women, just by being women, or for a specific woman for we are in a relationship with.

Buut... Being in a meaningful relationship is actually equated to "having a special concern".

So, either we negate meaningful relationships or we change the way we do them.

... And i would like to add another dimension to the problem: the social dimension.

Even if some men overcome having special concern for women that does not mean society has a whole has done the same. And women can manipulate society against those men.

So. We have essentially reaffirmed the core tenets of MGTOW and concluded that there is no way, in our present society, to have meaningful and safe relationships with women.

Originally Posted by Manfred

Even if some men overcome having special concern for women that does not mean society has a whole has done the same. And women can manipulate society against those men.

"those men" are "us", we're despised by the empowered "special class", look no further than Southern Poverty Law Center (lawyer league of cunts), they've defined us as white supremacist, grouped us with incles, and called the manosphere a viper pit of misogynism!

From Wikipedia; with special thanks to the SLPC, and their legions of baby butchering, divorce raping, fake news, vote robbing, filthy dirty apex of all filthy cuns and their wicked bewitched fork tongue hypocrites! If they had a mustard seed of introspection they see they're front, and dead center on their own concocted "HATE MAP".

Wikipedia:

Men Going Their Own Way
Men Going Their Own Way is an anti-feminist, misogynistic, mostly online community advocating for men to separate themselves from women and from a society which they believe has been destroyed by feminism. The community is a part of the manosphere, a collection of anti-feminist websites and online communities that also includes the men's rights movement, incels, and pickup artists. Like other manosphere communities, the MGTOW community overlaps with the alt-right and white supremacist movements, and it has been implicated in online harassment of women. The Southern Poverty Law Center categorizes MGTOW as a part of the male supremacist ideology, a category they began tracking on their hate group tracking project, Hate Map, in 2018.

... Thus proving the point. Either you bow to them or you are a *&#@!.

All roads lead to MGTOW. Either by personal experiences, logic, or observation, we end up in MGTOW. Alternatively you never learn and keep getting crushed.

Originally Posted by Opaque

@Unboxxed

Bullshit. Don't get clever. You actually state feminist narrative as your own. In bold, caps, and underline. You can gaslight yourself, but you cannot gaslight me. With your artifice, gaslighting, and bald-faced bullshit, you're starting to annoy me, bud.

You've given me a warning about "inappropriate language". I want to know if holding a feminist view is "inappropriate" or if it was the strident remarks you've given me a warning for, recognising female ability to manipulate social situations and making a comparison with men, and furthermore saying that men cannot compete in this regard, is not anti-Mgtow. I do not come on this forum to only discuss positive aspects of being a man. I leave that for scumbags like Jordan Peterson and other TradCons.


From the message I received, you have given me a warning about this post.

Men own jack shit in the Middle East. Muslim men are raised to be good little boys by their nannies who are often not from the same culture and don't even speak Arabic. Most of the men I know have bitch tits and overly - attached to their mothers; that is what a lack of sex will do to you. Perpetually a child, perpetually dumb and infantile!

And please be my guest if YOU think you can "own" women LOL!!


YOU WILL NEVER ACCOMPLISH THIS. [etc.]

Is it a feminist narrative to [etc.]


And, it wouldn't even matter. [etc.]


I will continue insisting upon this point [etc.]

I will not accept your uncalled for and unjustified insults or bullshit one liner accusations/responses. You talk about violation of principles and here you are insulting me.


MGTOW is serious business, [etc.]

Oh how I would love to press the report button on many BULLSHIT posts where some so called MGTOW chat shit "Woman are emotional, Men are rational". Now how about that for STRIDENT remark!? Never heard so much simplistic bullshit in my entire life!

You literally have posts where it is just one liners saying "men are better" "women can't do anything". Yea, how fucking constructive!

Hi Opaque,

Again I state, I have given you a warning not for the positions you hold but for a certain way you have expressed some of those positions here in this forum. On December 12th, you knew this distinction I make on this when you acknowledged it, here:

https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgto...43/#post155343

I thought you would stop it at that time. But, you did it again on December 18th and so for that instance I gave you a Warning. This is pretty fundamental moderating stuff.

Since then, you have focused only on defending your positions while I must watch for a next violation from you. It's that simple, really.

So, all of your protesting in defense of your positions and your principles is separate from what I am addressing to you. It would behoove you to pay attention to what I am saying, sir.

"Woman are emotional, Men are rational". It is illustrative of the problem still before us that you equate that example to what I have warned you about. Not equatable, by far. I won't repeat myself by explaining it all over again.

I should not have name-called you. Will it help you to know that in the ensuing days I have thought about that, wondering if this website would permit an Admin to issue a Warning to himself? LOL. I set a bad example of improper escalation. I apologize to you now for the name-calling. But, ya know, the sentiment behind that name-calling has not been retracted because I personally think you are consciously mining the situation for new possibilities to prevail against the Warning I gave. Please do not bother to pick apart my words and post a hundred more in their place.

Let's not drag this on. You have a lot to offer to MGTOW and to this site.

Let me ask you, though, do you possess the gentility to apologize to a person for unintentionally saying something that had really ticked him off, once you were informed of it, or does your mind see only principles and is resolutely unavailable for the common touch?

Thank you.

Opaque... If women are so superior at manipulation and social affairs, they should make great CEOs, right? Except that every single female CEO in history was a complete disaster, except for exactly one that I can think of. However, the one that was not a failure looks manly AF, and I have to assume either has great male handlers, or actual testicles.

Seriously concerned for you bro, assuming you are not an undercover feminist. Women are great at getting things for themselves at the expense of men who care about them, and society. If men do not stop the free-for-all, there will not be any society left to extract from. Women are truly the parasite that is not smart enough to not kill it's host. They could have locked in 1970s levels of female privilege and been set for millenia, but that kind of strategic long-term thinking is beyond their cognitive capabilities, and now they are facing a future where men could not care less about them. I imagine their thought process to be something like "Ooooh shiny thing... I can haz?"