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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

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    Soft guerilla warfare is like when the media stands in front of a city block on fire calling the arsonists peaceful protesters, and while on the other hand calling all right leaning people terrorists and insurrectionists.
    Well, in guerilla warfare, the warriors run and hide. Antifa and BLM dont hide, they are more like Bolshevic Revolution. The final stage of it.

    If guerilla warfare takes place in US... it will be like the floods of china... with blood instead of water.
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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Here’s my problem with “active activism” as opposed to “passive activism” as you describe it.

    With passive activism, as I understand you, the individual is saying “I’ve had enough of this particular thing and so am having no more to do with it. Go for it you want but I’m no longer interested.” This is a matter of personal preference.

    With active activism, like taking to the streets to protest right up to armed insurrection I do a have a qualm, to put it mildly.

    This is a major generalisation I know, but one I’ve come across time and time again:

    The active activist is about tearing things down – “This is wrong and it must stop!” Fair enough I suppose.

    What they haven’t thought about (usually) is what to replace it with. Ask them what their future world looks like should they succeed and they haven’t got a fucking clue!

    They will usually respond with shite like “Freedom” or “Equality” without having the slightest notion about what these things mean or the costs involved in achieving them. More than that, even if they do achieve them in the short term (which is actually impossible from my POV as everyone’s ideas of them are different, therefore one man’s freedom is another’s servitude) they have absolutely no idea of how to prevent all this shit from happening all over again.

    There’s an old adage scum always rises to the top.

    There is no way I have found to prevent this. And yes I have examined many different ways including some advocated here on this site.
    I was talking to some in my group today about the likelihood that the powers that be WANT us to rebel. They are cranking shit up all across the world and people are fighting back.

    So let's say some parliaments get overran by citizens. It's the perfect opportunity to bring in the one world govt. Maybe this will simply be the UN.

    In the UK our major disadvantage is lack of arms. They would only need a few machine guns to massacre hundreds of freedom fighters.

    So as we can see, fighting back on conventional terms may not be an option.

    It has to be a kind of smart activism. One where the result is achieved without us fighting them directly.

    My vision is the people create the new world. And this is happening right now where I live and across the UK. People turning land into allotments, saying no the vax, taking kids out of school.

    The elites are certainly overplaying their hand right now, making many mistakes. Even ordinary people are realising this is a scam. Never interrupt the enemy while he is making a mistake.

    The combined effect of creating a more natural, healthy 'new world' with local communities, AND the enemy eating itself, will turn even the normies towards our new world because they will see it's better.

    Then, we win.

    Of course this is very naive to people who do not dream of a better world AND work to make it a reality.

    So that is my solution. But to make another point about the guy who has no clue of what to replace it with, who has not even really thought much past his sign.

    He is spreading truth. That is worthy enough for me. It is a noble action in this world where we are deliberately fed lies from cradle to grave.
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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Perhaps a good long hard look at feminism and it's fucking gauntlet of 'what's in it for ME' mindset and the laws passed to achieve it, might, may, could, perhaps steer your shaming and blaming tactics away from MGTOW and on feminism's mighty gauntlet of 'what's in it for ME' mindset laws, rules, regulations, and CULTURE!

    If you were on the other MGTOW site where I'm a monitor I'd throw your fucking ass OUT!
    Hahahahaha. Was that supposed to be threatening? I'm not on your other site where you're a mod, so, bit of a moot point. But thanks for sharing.

    Keep blaming feminism for all your woes. Meanwhile I've moved on.
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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

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    Yes keep blaming feminism for all your woes. Meanwhile I've moved on.
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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    The elites are certainly overplaying their hand right now, making many mistakes. Even ordinary people are realising this is a scam. Never interrupt the enemy while he is making a mistake.

    The combined effect of creating a more natural, healthy 'new world' with local communities, AND the enemy eating itself, will turn even the normies towards our new world because they will see it's better.

    Then, we win.

    Of course this is very naive to people who do not dream of a better world AND work to make it a reality.
    Are these "ordinary people" realizing their mistake ? And you are hoping that normies will fight with you !!

    And THAT is the central point of disagreement between us specifically. Expectation from a normie. You are envisioning normie rising up with you and make a new world. I am envisioning normies dying, and then the rest can fight over the remaining world to see who wins. So while you prepare by spreading the love for normies, I prepare for the time when normies fail.

    I have no love for normies, no kindness for them. There is no "higher purpose" in my head regarding normies. The only thing that comes to my head regarding normies, is to IGNORE them, unless they go full panic zombie mode because government did "boo !!!". At that point, they become my enemies.

    And before you say mgtow this or mgtow that, or blame women or blame this or that. My stance towards normie is not because they did something to me. Its because they do nothing. They stink of stupidity and weakness, and thats hundred times more repulsive than the stink of actual enemies.

    That being said, if you can actually get them to fight, that is demonstrate that your idea works, then good for you. Until that happens, I am staying the fk away from normie.
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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Activism requires a cause. And most times people are faced with lose-lose propositons in terms of causes. Those in power tend to play both sides.

    I am still to understand if the world is going into a woke left-leaning dictatorship or if this is a ploy to drive everyone to a right-wing dictatorship. There is no better way to get to power than when everyone wants a savior.

    I dont know, but I would be pissed to find out I had been working towards my own demise.

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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    There is no better way to get to power than when everyone wants a savior.
    You basically highlighted the major problem with the normie I keep saying. They always WANT something, without giving a thought what it takes to produce what they want. Eg: A savior. They dont want (or cannot) be bothered to pay attention that maybe they already have the means to fix their problems. That will take some actual work !!! And some humility to acknowledge that their crappy life strategies are crappy !

    Thats a strict no no for them. Nope. Somebody should just come and save them from their troubles. And what happens ?? They end up with enabling one or the other kind of fascism. THAT is a problem. It takes two hands to clap. To get fascism you need :-
    1. A power hungry group
    2. A power enabling herd of sheep.

    The best way to get rid of fascism, is to get rid of (stay away from and/or fight them off) BOTH.
    Greedy algorithms always get stuck in a local extrema...

    If you cannot determine global extrema... or if the graph (or space) is infinite, genetic algorithms give better results.

    The function space or hypothesis space is not only infinite, but in most cases, have infinite dimensions.

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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

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    Now what advice ? And how do I check the suitability ?
    I naturally try to keep private, I don't go around publicly preaching what my views are. If someone asks for advice I will try to point them in the right area by showing where they can find the information they may want.

    This is where the saying "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" comes in. If a work mate or friend is seeking advice and I think TRP would help I will forward him a link to say The Rational Male Blog... If that person really wants my advice he will educate himself and he will likely come back with a comment later. If he is only talking crap and just wants to argue or probe what my views are, this shuts them down very quickly when I give it back that they can help themselves and I will not spoon feed them in the "crosshairs".

    I use this tactic for most topics. It separates the people that really want my view and the ones that talk crap. This deflects any arguments as it is then directed towards the writer or who ever posted the article, and not me. The recommended readings are written by people that have higher knowledge on the topics than I do.

    Just my way of avoiding the "Crosshairs".... Pick your battles...

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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Quote Originally Posted by RustyNuts View Post
    I naturally try to keep private, I don't go around publicly preaching what my views are. If someone asks for advice I will try to point them in the right area by showing where they can find the information they may want.

    ...

    I use this tactic for most topics. It separates the people that really want my view and the ones that talk crap.
    Agreed, your point actually covers the cases where someone has lots of people around them at some point during their schedule (eg: job), who are not their friends, or atleast not old very well known friends.

    I didnt cover this case because it doesnt exist for me. I am super private, which means I dont engage in such conversations with anyone unless he is a very old friend and we both know each other very well. If that is not the case, then any conversation happening will only be centered around the immediate situation at hand, and I will refuse to step even a millimeter outside that.

    For women acquaintances, I have even more stringent rules. She should be wife or any close family member of some man who is an old friend of mine AND is either physically present there or in case of online conversation, is added to the group. Otherwise nope, I will treat that case as talking with a stranger, regardless of how old our acquaintance is. Which means if a female cousin is talking to me, I am talking to a stranger, which means hi, hello, how are you, how is work going, cya bye...

    So the ones who who want to talk crap, end up not getting the chance to talk to me at all.
    Greedy algorithms always get stuck in a local extrema...

    If you cannot determine global extrema... or if the graph (or space) is infinite, genetic algorithms give better results.

    The function space or hypothesis space is not only infinite, but in most cases, have infinite dimensions.

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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    The perils of the 'what's in it for ME' mindset so common in MGTOW.
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    Hahahahaha. Was that supposed to be threatening? I'm not on your other site where you're a mod, so, bit of a moot point. But thanks for sharing.

    Keep blaming feminism for all your woes. Meanwhile I've moved on.

    No. You saw my post in that other thread to knock it off but you're not going to stop undermining MGTOW. You don't belong here with that attitude.

    Banned.

    Ok, NOW you've moved on.
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    Any man that seeks leadership outside himself has a fool for a guide.

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    Someone once told me that in any battle, silent or otherwise, "he who has something to lose will act first." I think the second part to that would be "beware of he who has nothing to lose because he'd finish it." I fall into neither category, I'm strictly stage 4 but I would dabble in stage 5 if vaccine is to be mandated. I learned long time ago that there's virtue in selfishness, therefore, in the order of things I come first; I take of numero uno, me.

    This country is beyond repair, so active activism is useless in my opinion. Just too much vital energy would be wasted. I abstained from it all, marriage, women, LTR, kids, family, god, systems, institutions, etc. The plan, since I became a MGTOW, is to use this system, work for 15 years or so, save as much money as I can, then take off.

    I've been researching different countries and I found Madeline Columbia to be very suitable for a retired MGTOW, just very efficient as far as cost of living, culture, low crime rate, weather, and so on. Beautiful vacation spot, why not make a home.

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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    [...]
    This country is beyond repair, so active activism is useless in my opinion. Just too much vital energy would be wasted.
    [...]
    I agree. For now I'm just avoiding the land mines and enjoying life, for even with taxes and a nanny state we do have some prosperity and freedom left where I'm at. Rebellion scores terribly on a personal cost-benefit analysis at this point in time. Spending the energy on making more money and then having the system work in your favor is the easier way.

    Seeing is believing and people (on aggregate) haven't seen the damage the current policies cause yet, so they won't fight them. What's more, they probably would first blame the wrong things, so it would likely take many years before enough people would be accepting responsibility and trying something new like the way the USA was in the early days (less government, more personal liberty but also responsibility). As a society we've become used to handing out freebies because of abundance, I believe this to be detrimental to morals and prosperity but it will only stop when there isn't enough to go around.

    "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times." - G. Michael Hopf

    I think the way the human mind works society must always go through boom and bust cycles, morally, economically and probably also quantitatively (if not in absolute numbers then at least on a relative growth basis).

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    I agree. For now I'm just avoiding the land mines and enjoying life, for even with taxes and a nanny state we do have some prosperity and freedom left where I'm at. Rebellion scores terribly on a personal cost-benefit analysis at this point in time. Spending the energy on making more money and then having the system work in your favor is the easier way.
    Ah, the old personal cost benefit analysis. What's in it for ME. Ego-centric. Dualistic. That very thinking is what we criticise women for.

    "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times." - G. Michael Hopf
    Glad you mentioned this. Hard times are also creating men who turn their back on all of society, many of whom are MGTOW.

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    My take is activism is always a snake biting its own tail. It always end up in abnoxious people who are eating each other because of "I am holier than thou." Often activist "groups" start with good intentions, gaining sympathy but end up like imbeciles. Take environment activists f.e. In the beginning they had valid points: throwing nuclear waste in the oceans is not a good idea. But nowadays you have those retard kids like Greta.
    I think men here have discovered that walking away is a very underappreciated yet very same thing to do. Eckhart Tolle's quote: "what you fight, you strengthen. What you resist persists."
    Genuine indifference is IMO the Achilles heel for clown world. I think that's one of the main reasons feminists are so triggered by us. By saying "go ahead girl, here you have it all. Exactly as you wanted. And we agree: we don't need each other. Bye now" we strip them of any validation or attention. And that's what activists hate.

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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Quote Originally Posted by RedPilledSimp View Post
    . Eckhart Tolle's quote: "what you fight, you strengthen. What you resist persists."
    Genuine indifference is IMO the Achilles heel for clown world.
    I agree. And I also apreciate the Eckhart Tolle quote.

    I keep reminding a stupid episode form a stupid cartoon I used to watch with my kids. It was the Cow&Chicken series and the cow had the urge to go herding. While the parents were encouraging the chicken was not happy and managed to convince the cow the abandon the herd, just short of them running off a cliff...

    And isn't that true! All you need is a "us vs them" mentality, step up the conflict and extremism. Then you are forced to pick a side, because people on the middle are despised by both sides. Next thing you know you got a tyranny of one type or the other. Imagine yourself in Germany in the 30's, pick your side: who wins? The guys that jumped ship. The anti-nazis went to concentration camps, and the nazis went to war to die and be defeated.

    In our days we are to be forced to chose our poison: a woke dictatorship or a tradcon purge?
    I chose to ghost the whole thing.

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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Activist groups are often ineffective because of many reasons, not least of which is lack of proper leadership. It takes someone special to herd cats. However of late I have come to see it is the natural role for a strong man. Women and weak men can't do it.

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    I feel a bit like cool hand luke. Determined to escape this impending doom. Not simply willing to turn my back and let me be made a slave. Always plotting an escape despite the odds. For myself yes, but others too.
    I thought there would be more of my ilk in mgtow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post

    And isn't that true! All you need is a "us vs them" mentality, step up the conflict and extremism. Then you are forced to pick a side, because people on the middle are despised by both sides. Next thing you know you got a tyranny of one type or the other. Imagine yourself in Germany in the 30's, pick your side: who wins? The guys that jumped ship. The anti-nazis went to concentration camps, and the nazis went to war to die and be defeated.

    In our days we are to be forced to chose our poison: a woke dictatorship or a tradcon purge?
    I chose to ghost the whole thing.
    I know I might stray off topic now but I found your words too important to ignore. As see it the "us vs them" tactic is the oldest and still very well working trick in the book regarding power. With extremists, like communism, fascism, religion and feminism it's only taken to a higher level. But the "divide and conquer" narrative is soaked in everywhere. Raging from your own neighbours, to sports, education, politics a.s.o. Take Russia f.e. In the west Russia is being portrayed as 1 big cesspool of corruption (like we are any better) and warmongers. I have been in Russia almost 2 years ago and I saw the country is thriving. I only saw decent and hard working people trying to make a good living for themselves. Not 1 second I felt intimidated or threatened because I spoke a different language. And the same goes for other countries I've visited.
    Regarding feminism the "us vs them' is even working here. Not to white knight but I think women are the absolute biggest losers of feminism. Why? Because women and society rely on men. But men don't rely on them. We always have the option to walk away and let it burn itself down. The feminists have gotten under the skin of women. And women have a hive mind (which I think men could learn a trick or 2 from). So convince enough women it's good for them to get useless educations/ degrees, go to the work plantation and fuck around like there's no tomorrow and they will all do it because their girlfriends are doing it too. Combined with the "you don't need a man, you can have it all, girl" narrative the feminists have managed to create wedge between the sexes. And thus disrupting all societies. I'm not sure what the goal is for feminists but it's succeeding. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if "we" are also part of their plan. Regarding their motive: my strongest hypothesis of their motive is depopulation. Big wars/ killing off people don't work in the long run. After WWI and II the populations quite rapidly grew back. But if they manage to drive the sexes apart, distracting women during their fertility window, removing the father figure from families (i.o.w. create soyboys), letting women's wombs take over by micro organisms (the CC) and removing 95% of men out of reproducing because women only want 5% of men and those 5% are the Chads/ Tyrones who only have the V in mind and nothing else, it's a way to diminish populations on the long term.


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