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    Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    There are several threads created by other members, and there is talk for and against some kind of activism. I have participated in many of them, and they end up devolving into should we or shouldnt we do it (the activism).

    And in those debates, the whole point is lost, that the point of any kind of rebellion is to win. Whats the point if you cant win ? Whats the point of throwing a tantrum only to be put down by the big government ?

    I myself dont do any kind of activism, atleast not actively. If I do that and gain any kind of success, it will immediately put me into the crosshairs of the enemies which are way way stronger than me. But the bigger problem, it will very likely not lead to success. So I resort to passive activism. If someone comes to me and asks for advice, I will give him (or her) the advice, suitable for that individual.

    Now what advice ? And how do I check the suitability ? I will roughly use the following strategy to estimate how far he/she will go, and will give advice based on this :

    Stage 0 : The person is happy.
    This person is merely chatting with you. Even if he asks for advice, I will tell him to just continue what he is doing. He will not do anything problematic, because cost benefit analysis will always be negative for this person.

    Stage 1 : The person is uneasy.
    This is where I will tell that person to change a few things. Maybe he has a problem with some colleague or family member or boss etc. This person will not do anything too drastic, but will be willing to make small adjustments, so that is the suitable advice for him. There are cases where something drastic IS needed, and in that case, the proper advice for this person is to tell him to change a few things so that he can understand the problem better, and thus become more willing to do crank up the strategy a few notches.

    Stage 2 : The person is aware : Purple Pilled
    This is where things start to get serious. If this person asks for advice, that means he thinks he is nearing some crossroads of his life where he will be forced to take some drastic measure, but not there yet. And he is still comfortable enough in his life to rather avoid that if it can be helped. This person is ready for some passive boycott. Which means, if its about women and dating, he can be told to avoid women with extreme behavior and red flags, and he will not only not resist/argue but may also willingly follow.

    Stage 3 : Almost red pilled
    This is where the person has seen bad shit happen to other people in his circle. And now he is a bit scared of things, and starting to realize that maybe he doesnt know about the world as much as he previously thought. People who act like mgtow (staying away from marriage, women) but dont have full conviction towards being mgtow (which means they wont pass Unboxxed's intro questions), they are likely to fall here. They are willing to do some ACTIVE boycott. Which means not only they will boycott, but will be quite overt and will not try to hide that when talking to people they trust.

    Stage 4 : Red pilled
    This is reached when the person has got the much needed spanking or somehow able to realize that the world really is a very shitty place, without the spanking (that was the case with me). This person is ready for PREEMPTIVE boycott. Which means he will be very willing to show extreme prejudice towards certain group, gender, or any behavior. Good example is us. We preemptively boycott cohabitation with women, WITHOUT the need to test the women if she is suitable or not, because we dont care. We dont see any benefit in evaluating a woman for that because if not NAXALT then its EXALT (Enough X are like that). If 99.99999% of women like that... then I dont want to waste time, energy and health in finding and evaluating that 0.00001%. I might as well assume 100% are like that and be done with that, case closed, period.

    Do note that I use woman only as example. I preemptively boycott several other things. I stay away from education cathedral. Which means I neither pursue nor give any value to degrees and certificates. If a stranger on an internet makes a good point (which I will test by scientific method) then I will accept it. If the world's most highly accredited doctor gives me bullshit advice (evaluated by scientific method), then I will simply reject it. This is not open to negotiation, I have similar levels of prejudice here as I have with women.

    And this is the highest stage I have seen or interacted with. I believe some of us, including me, go somewhat to next stage, which is

    Stage 5 : Civil Disobedience
    This is the danger zone. This is where you disobey or ignore some very direct law of the land, and willing to run and hide or even confront and die. So far this was not needed, but the vaccines seems to be the thing, if the government mandates it, I am going to switch immediately into this mode. In real life I know some people who are anti-covid-vaxxers but none of them are willing to do this. They will bend the knee if it comes to this.

    Its not just vaccines. It can be applied to other things, like child support. The man can simply refuse to pay. He can tell the police to come and get it. How does it turns out, I dont know, there arent many men who do this.

    Stage 6 : Armed Insurrection
    I dont know anybody directly who may do this, though I do believe some people I follow will do this. I dont interact with them, mostly because there is no need to. They know what they are doing, and will do what is necessary when the time comes. I myself dont have the means to do that in the country where I live, so I dont consider myself in this stage. This is not about just willingness, but also about capability, training, resources and preparation. So simply fantasizing about blowing up a government building while sitting in a cozy room in front of a computer doesnt count.

    So thats it. The point is, you give advice to a person only what he/she is willing and capable to do. You need to test that person's willingness based on what he is saying, what he has experienced and MOST IMPORTANTLY what he has DEMONSTRATED. You dont tell a person who is barely purple pilled to procure an illegal kalashnikov and start hoarding ammo. That will totally not work. Not only he wont do that, but also think that you are a crazy, and probably even a retard, to suggest something like that.
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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Activism is generally going to fail, take street protests for example how many of them worked regardless of if you actually agreed with them or not.

    A year ago my social media feeds exploded with people claiming they were boycotting all theses big companies that ripped us all off during the early days of the pandemic......today nothing.

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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    Activism is generally going to fail, take street protests for example how many of them worked regardless of if you actually agreed with them or not.
    I suggested passive activism, you only talk or advice people who come to you asking for it EXPLICITLY. Nothing else beyond that. Street activism fails for many reasons, and one of those is I highlighted from my post.

    In a street, the people are at varying degree of unrest/red-pilled. If you stand on a street with a sign board, you are trying to make one-size-fits-all shoe. Its going to fail obviously, and hopelessly.

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    A year ago my social media feeds exploded with people claiming they were boycotting all theses big companies that ripped us all off during the early days of the pandemic......today nothing.
    From boycott, I actually meant boycotting some "conveyor belt" of life. Like marriage and education, you are supposed to go to school, then college, then find a job, then marry. With little variations here and there.

    And yes, people will stop boycotting for the same reasons they stop fighting. Either they become too tired, or they got used to the situation. They became comfortable. In terms of stages I mentioned, they dropped to earlier stages, which means they will reduce their effort.

    Its only at red pill, and in some cases civil disobedience stage that one kindda gets cemented in his/her position and it becomes extremely difficult for an external influencer to cool them down. A purple pilled is still VERY COMFORTABLE, and the moment he finds his unicorn, he is likely to fall back into the blue pill fantasy until and unless bad stuff happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    Continue living my minimalist lifestyle in stable employment for approximately 12 years.
    Keep an eye on world events and research where's the best part of the world to relocate to, this subject would be worth a future thread in itself.
    Get the hell out of here !!!
    Well, for non westerners, we are already out of the west (which is downright crazy). For us, atleast those of us who are at stable location for now, the main concern is in future when it wont be stable. When you are in 1st world... you can run to 2nd (or 3rd) world. But when you are already in 3rd world, there is no 4th world to run to. And you cannot run to 1st world either because, for one the exchange rate of currency is crazy. You gotta be crazy rich in 3rd world, to be able to find a mediocre life in 1st world. Trying to be that crazy rich involves riding down the system and not boycotting it... and I already took the boycott path.

    Second reason is, when the time comes that even stable 3rd world starts to burn enough that one wants to run away from, there are chances that 1st world is already burnt to ashes.
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    I think activism is a horrible idea personally. Those with freedom-oriented ideals don't have the numbers to affect serious change. I find it best to disassociate with those whose values don't align with yours. Then you can find like-minded people with similar values. It's a waste of energy to change people's minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I think activism is a horrible idea personally. Those with freedom-oriented ideals don't have the numbers to affect serious change. I find it best to disassociate with those whose values don't align with yours. Then you can find like-minded people with similar values. It's a waste of energy to change people's minds.
    Your values will never perfectly align with others. No two individuals are same. In passive activism, you dont force your ideas or methods onto others, but you dont hide them either. If you are ghosting, then you are surrounded by enemies, then obviously you cannot do ANY activism whatsoever.

    But when that is not the case, then depending upon the situation, it might be beneficial to trade with them than either to wage war (force your ideas) or to surrender to their norms (accept their ideas). This is happening right now, we are trading here, even if its just written messages. Trade brings to you what you dont have, as long as you provide the other party what they dont have (and desire).

    Which is why, in the scenario where you are not surrounded by enemies who will skin you alive for not following their gods, and you find it beneficial to trade, and if that trade happens to involve the other person asking for advice which involves some kind of rebellion, dont immediately tell them what you do or would do in their situation. They are being understanding enough about your situation, you have to reciprocate, you need to understand their situation as well, and give advice which is suitable for them.

    If a man is having small problems in family, but otherwise happily married, you cannot suggest him to go straight to divorce, or something worse. He will not do it, no matter how strongly you believe that divorcing or throwing the wife down a canyon is a good idea. It requires great deal of restraint, more than ghosting. Here you need to do more than just pretending, you need a bit more nuanced understanding of their world. If you cannot restrain yourself, and tend to be a binary 0/1 state, 0 being total ghost, 1 being full red pill machine gun, then yes, I will also suggest to stay away from activism, whether active street version or the passive version.
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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    Your values will never perfectly align with others. No two individuals are same. In passive activism, you dont force your ideas or methods onto others, but you dont hide them either. If you are ghosting, then you are surrounded by enemies, then obviously you cannot do ANY activism whatsoever.

    But when that is not the case, then depending upon the situation, it might be beneficial to trade with them than either to wage war (force your ideas) or to surrender to their norms (accept their ideas). This is happening right now, we are trading here, even if its just written messages. Trade brings to you what you dont have, as long as you provide the other party what they dont have (and desire).

    Which is why, in the scenario where you are not surrounded by enemies who will skin you alive for not following their gods, and you find it beneficial to trade, and if that trade happens to involve the other person asking for advice which involves some kind of rebellion, dont immediately tell them what you do or would do in their situation. They are being understanding enough about your situation, you have to reciprocate, you need to understand their situation as well, and give advice which is suitable for them.

    If a man is having small problems in family, but otherwise happily married, you cannot suggest him to go straight to divorce, or something worse. He will not do it, no matter how strongly you believe that divorcing or throwing the wife down a canyon is a good idea. It requires great deal of restraint, more than ghosting. Here you need to do more than just pretending, you need a bit more nuanced understanding of their world. If you cannot restrain yourself, and tend to be a binary 0/1 state, 0 being total ghost, 1 being full red pill machine gun, then yes, I will also suggest to stay away from activism, whether active street version or the passive version.
    until I found MGTOW, I didn't know there were other deep-thought, introspective, truth aligning, bullshit bashers that saw things in their true light of day, I thought almost everyone was adapted to life and the appointed script the socialists, feminists, and communists, tried planting in our thoughts as seeds when we were just kids. I started upchucking and spitting out their bullshit in 1970, when it first started coming out, burning bras, making scenes, and screaming cunt was all my minds eye could see and it's only gotten worse as I'm surrounded by these closed minded, their jackboot fits all, liberal flaming cunt know-it-all's, so lost in their flaming liberal bullshit that all opposition must go silent or suffer their wrath!

    If I displayed the flag I like and adore (aside from Jolly Roger) My windows would be broken and my cars vandalized, just like the brown-shirts from Nazi Germany circa 1939.

    I'm just glad I can display my 2nd most favorite flag, right here! Freedom has been canceled by brown shirts v.2.0


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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Being afraid of activism is how many colonists felt about going to war with England in 1776. There are alot of things going on on the internet right now with regards to the lopsided power structure the west has created for itself. Many people are discussing taboo issues the media won't touch. Will there be armed insurrection? We're already seeing it in Cuba, parts of the U.S. (militia groups), and third world countries where drug cartels run everything. Yes there will be, but not as soon as some think. I foresee a backlash in about twenty years when all these fatherless kids are young adults and their sense of responsibility has been diluted by a gynocentric upbringing. I see organized militias with hit lists and blood in the streets. I'm glad it won't happen in my lifetime, but I can see it happening some day.
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    The difference between the first 4 stages and the last ones is simply how much you have to lose and how many bad days you had in a row...its really that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    until I found MGTOW, I didn't know there were other deep-thought, introspective, truth aligning, bullshit bashers that saw things in their true light of day, I thought almost everyone was adapted to life and the appointed script the socialists, feminists, and communists, tried planting in our thoughts as seeds when we were just kids. I started upchucking and spitting out their bullshit in 1970, when it first started coming out, burning bras, making scenes, and screaming cunt was all my minds eye could see and it's only gotten worse as I'm surrounded by these closed minded, their jackboot fits all, liberal flaming cunt know-it-all's, so lost in their flaming liberal bullshit that all opposition must go silent or suffer their wrath!

    If I displayed the flag I like and adore (aside from Jolly Roger) My windows would be broken and my cars vandalized, just like the brown-shirts from Nazi Germany circa 1939.
    And they had no other choice, because otherwise their peers would've burned them first before burning their bras. And you had no choice either. War and conflict is fate. They did what they perceived the best choice for them, within the limits of their intelligence, willpower, pain tolerance etc, and you did what was best choice you perceived, based on your intelligence and willpower and other traits and resources.

    I am very cold and dispassionate towards my enemies. Which is a double edged thing. On one hand I am not thinking constantly about how to torture them, I am only concerned about me not losing. But on the other hand, if it comes to doing something drastic, I will not hesitate. Not for them, or their friends, or anybody related to them. Not for a single moment. They are completely dehumanized in my mind.

    If they put me in such a situation, it will be exactly like putting hand in a lawn mower. The machine will happily oblige...

    One major difference in the situation between us is, you dont need to trade anything from anybody. You grow your own stuff, protect yourself with what you have, and anything which you dont have, you can get from money. Or thats how I understood, unless I missed something.

    I on the other hand, do need to trade with them. Its actually because of them that I dont need to ghost or pretend to be someone I am not. They allow me to earn my living without being entangled with the system. And I give them expertise at a cost which is not available from the system. Its beneficial for them to not break my windows and cars, for now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joetech View Post
    Will there be armed insurrection?
    If it happens in US, there will be sooo much blood and death, that all past wars in all of mankind's history will be a fucking footnote.
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    I believe a critical mass of men already reached phase 4, if the authorities and society keep pushing many of them will move to phase 5 while others will move from 3 to 4.

    Phase 6 is a whole different story since it takes enough men with skills that have been bullied so much that either have nothing to lose or plenty to gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackal View Post
    I believe a critical mass of men already reached phase 4, if the authorities and society keep pushing many of them will move to phase 5 while others will move from 3 to 4.

    Phase 6 is a whole different story since it takes enough men with skills that have been bullied so much that either have nothing to lose or plenty to gain.
    The bread and circus, combined with leaders giving false hope (eg: the republiCants), keeps the people from disobedience stage. The elites know this very well. Because once you have enough people ready to disobey, the armed insurrection will become inevitable.

    Combine it with MASSIVE surveillance through all the things, from social media to people using AIs like Alexa in their homes, the elites can know EVERYTHING. And they dont even have to spend much effort, the AI can do the heavy lifting. Which means the moment they sense the disobedience building up, they will resort to all sorts of tactics, like spreading rumors about nazis or something, sabotaging activities with agent provocateurs, and sometimes even cutting down the entire communication, which is common in India. The government loves to shut down internet in entire zones if there is any public disturbance. And oh, last but not least, should the need arise, "epsteining" anybody who survived all of that and managed to get something going.

    I have heard that there can be some ways to counter all of the above, but they are kindda disturbing...
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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    In a street, the people are at varying degree of unrest/red-pilled. If you stand on a street with a sign board, you are trying to make one-size-fits-all shoe. Its going to fail obviously, and hopelessly.
    A great post, though I have a qualm with the quote above.

    Nothing is wasted. Energy moves, is transferred - it's not lost. So if you're spreading good intent (energy), it can't be wasted.

    Small actions count. You're a pretty good coder right. You didn't get there overnight. Many tiny actions contributed to your current level.

    I guess you would need to define 'fail' and 'win' to qualify your statement. If you mean it failed because it 'did not solve what you're pissed off about very quickly', it wasn't 'the one action that stopped tyranny', then yes it's a fail. But that would have been a poor objective in the first place because it is completely unrealistic.

    If the goal is to contribute and to build something (like skills in coding), then it's not a fail. If it allowed you to build a local network because it attracted like-minded people to your sign, it's not a fail. Not in the slightest. Knowing those people could save your life, during food shortages, for example. Or to procure a weapon, or may other possibilities.

    The perils of the 'what's in it for ME' mindset so common in MGTOW. Or, needing to be certain of outcome which is a slightly autistic way of looking at things.
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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    A great post, though I have a qualm with the quote above.

    Nothing is wasted. Energy moves, is transferred - it's not lost. So if you're spreading good intent (energy), it can't be wasted.

    Small actions count. You're a pretty good coder right. You didn't get there overnight. Many tiny actions contributed to your current level.

    I guess you would need to define 'fail' and 'win' to qualify your statement. If you mean it failed because it 'did not solve what you're pissed off about very quickly', it wasn't 'the one action that stopped tyranny', then yes it's a fail. But that would have been a poor objective in the first place because there are no quick solutions.

    If the goal is to contribute and to build something (like skills in coding), then it's not a fail. If it allowed you to build a local network because it attracted like-minded people to your sign, it's not a fail. Not in the slightest. Knowing those people could save your life, during food shortages, for example. Or to procure a weapon, or may other possibilities.

    The perils of the 'what's in it for ME' mindset so common in MGTOW. Or, needing to be certain of outcome which is a slightly autistic way of looking at things.
    Perhaps a good long hard look at feminism and it's fucking gauntlet of 'what's in it for ME' mindset and the laws passed to achieve it, might, may, could, perhaps steer your shaming and blaming tactics away from MGTOW and on feminism's mighty gauntlet of 'what's in it for ME' mindset laws, rules, regulations, and CULTURE!

    If you were on the other MGTOW site where I'm a monitor I'd throw your fucking ass OUT!

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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    Nothing is wasted. Energy moves, is transferred - it's not lost. So if you're spreading good intent (energy), it can't be wasted.
    Two things :

    1. It is wasted even if its being useful if some other option provides superior and more efficient alternative. My strategy also doesnt solve anything quick. Any quick solution will require 80% of humans dead. I dont know any other quick solutions to be honest.

    2. Same thing which I have repeated many times. My morals dont work same as yours. My religion isnt same as yours. My definition of good is entirely derived from "caring for ME", which you predicted, correctly.

    Its only because we have a common enemy, our goals somewhat align. Other than that, our methods have no overlap. In my understanding, there are only three entities :

    1. ME
    2. Useful to ME
    3. Harmful to ME

    But the one thing that I have heard, more than once on this forums, is comparison of this with women. That is, its how women see the world, etc. Well, if I have to give a short answer, I'd say I dont care. Long answer will involve very lengthy explanations, which I have explained several times by now. I have no patience to go through them again.

    Fun fact, I am so unabashedly blunt with the idea that all my thought originates from caring about myself, it startles even the most selfish of the people.
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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Here’s my problem with “active activism” as opposed to “passive activism” as you describe it.

    With passive activism, as I understand you, the individual is saying “I’ve had enough of this particular thing and so am having no more to do with it. Go for it you want but I’m no longer interested.” This is a matter of personal preference.

    With active activism, like taking to the streets to protest right up to armed insurrection I do a have a qualm, to put it mildly.

    This is a major generalisation I know, but one I’ve come across time and time again:

    The active activist is about tearing things down – “This is wrong and it must stop!” Fair enough I suppose.

    What they haven’t thought about (usually) is what to replace it with. Ask them what their future world looks like should they succeed and they haven’t got a fucking clue!

    They will usually respond with shite like “Freedom” or “Equality” without having the slightest notion about what these things mean or the costs involved in achieving them. More than that, even if they do achieve them in the short term (which is actually impossible from my POV as everyone’s ideas of them are different, therefore one man’s freedom is another’s servitude) they have absolutely no idea of how to prevent all this shit from happening all over again.

    There’s an old adage scum always rises to the top.

    There is no way I have found to prevent this. And yes I have examined many different ways including some advocated here on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    What they haven’t thought about (usually) is what to replace it with. Ask them what their future world looks like should they succeed and they haven’t got a fucking clue!
    That is actually a very good question, which anybody doing any kind of rebellion MUST think about. But before I say on it, I have to comment on :

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    With active activism, like taking to the streets to protest right up to armed insurrection
    From what I understand, active and passive are orthogonal with level of rebellion. A coup is an example of an active armed insurrection. The general rallies his troops and storms the parliament/fort/whatever. Guerilla warfare is a passive armed insurrection. The way I classified active and passive, or the way I intended to, was not about how much "noise" it creates, but the way recruitment is done. Active is very overt and visible, whereas passive is subtle and underground.

    An active rebellion can be a very quiet one, say a gathering of people under some common cause, but not protesting, just talking, and maybe even having snacks and selfies. This often happens with donation drives etc.

    Now back to what to replace with, well, if we are talking about armed insurrection level, then the grunts play a major role there. Grunt is anyone who is batshit angry, and will happily die fighting. This dude will rarely give a fuck about any replacement strategies, he will let someone else do it.

    This is why generals are important in any conflict. A small number of people, or maybe even just one if a group is small enough, who are doing the long term strategy part. Now it can be called manipulation, because generals definitely want something out of the armed conflict, otherwise why would they even bother in the first place. But they arent always dying in the front lines (but sometimes they did). So you can say they are "manipulating" the grunts.

    But then this can also exist as a transaction. A general can communicate to the men what he wants, why he wants, and why he thinks it will work. And hope that the men understand him and agree to fight (or die) with him. In theory atleast... practically not every grunt will every understand the entire war strategy, and trying to tell him everything will make him all the more suspicious. Because he wants to just go rambo (out of anger).

    If we see this issue for the purpose of actually brainstorming what to replace anything with. Then the only answer can be trial and error, just like anything else in the world. From as small as cooking recipes to as big as systems of law. Magna Carta was one of the big achievements of its time, but today's law systems are more sophisticated than that, because they had time to evolve. The US Constitution is demonstrated to work better than any other constitution in the world, but even that is not able to cope with the complexities of the modern world and tech. So whenever anything replaces it, be it from civilians doing armed insurrection, or russia and china dump their entire nuclear arsenal on the US mainland, whatever comes next, one can only hope that it makes or tries to make, some improvements over the current one.

    The immediate instinct of a grunt is, just install __. The blank can be filled with something old. "Oh this worked awesome, we can just do that again". No we cant, it worked for SOME time, then it didnt. Otherwise it would've survived the trials of time. Making improvement on a system means studying and analyzing it deeply, to understand what worked and why, and what didnt work and why.

    Will it happen ? Will it be replaced by something better ? Well, that remains to be seen, WHEN it happens...
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    I am using scientific method, its an algorithmic computation, designed to give highest efficiency and chance to win in a conflict, at a very high cost of mental discomfort of not adhering to preferences and spending time and energy on the computation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    Guerilla warfare is a passive armed insurrection.
    I’m confused.

    It happens to me regularly as I’ve mentioned before on more than one occasion. (LOL)

    Can you explain how an armed insurrection can be considered “passive”?

    Guerrilla warfare, as I understand it, it about being the underdog so you separate yourselves in to cells so that if some get captured they cannot give information about other cells' activities or membership.

    It is anything but “passive” in my understanding of the word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    I’m confused.

    It happens to me regularly as I’ve mentioned before on more than one occasion. (LOL)

    Can you explain how an armed insurrection can be considered “passive”?

    Guerrilla warfare, as I understand it, it about being the underdog so you separate yourselves in to cells so that if some get captured they cannot give information about other cells' activities or membership.

    It is anything but “passive” in my understanding of the word.
    If you are conducting guerilla warfare, you dont recruit new people with a loudspeaker, but with whispers. Your opponent is way stronger than you for head on fight, so you go viking. You hide and do hit and run. There have been several ways of conducting it in the past, but in the modern day, its usually termed as 4th generation warfare, and my understanding is based on that only. Here is a reference to it which is considered somewhat standard : https://archive.org/details/4thGener...iamS.Lind28129

    I have to apologize though, for the choice of words which are confusing. Armed insurrection IS active, its not passive. I only meant way of recruitment from those words, as my main point of starting the thread was about how to find people for rebellion, it wasnt actually focused for armed conflict. I stated that I have no experience with that sort of thing, I have only read and heard things about how to possibly conduct it, but I have no hard data. My intention was to deal with everyday people in terms of rebellion. And we are rebelling, in one way or the other, otherwise we wont be here on this site !!!

    And everyday people DONT like to rebel, regardless of how much they call themselves a rebel, they just dont demonstrate it. The enemy is so powerful, that I dont see any point in being visible. If I have to build up a network, I'd prefer doing it via one on one conversations with people who show and demonstrate that they have some understanding of the situation, are opposed to it, and are willing to take some steps to rectify their OWN position if nothing else.
    Unless stated otherwise, I am NOT presenting my preferences.

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    I am using scientific method, its an algorithmic computation, designed to give highest efficiency and chance to win in a conflict, at a very high cost of mental discomfort of not adhering to preferences and spending time and energy on the computation.

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    Soft guerilla warfare is like when the media stands in front of a city block on fire calling the arsonists peaceful protesters, and while on the other hand calling all right leaning people terrorists and insurrectionists.








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