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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    I quite agree with your analysis, this all reeks at social engineering and social subversion, especially taking into account how governments and corporations are actively involved in promoting it.
    That we are part of the plan? Maybe. Maybe the planners were counting on some men walking out of dating women. But then, maybe they were just relying in the hormonal drive to keep men in this cesspool and miserable.

    In the end MGTOW have seen society as the problem, not women. That has profound implications because, using military terms, we are spontaneous guerrillas and not conventional armies under control. Not that we are DOING anything, but by NOT DOING we are fighting against the control mechanism that is "us vs them".

    That is why every MGTOW should dispel the concept of "damaged man", but rather that we are MEN in a damaged society. There is no fighting for the "tribe" anymore, so we fight for ourselves.

    It is actually liberating to be emotionally detached from this train wreck. If we are invested then we suffer and try to fix things, and that "fixing" is what they have weaponized. If we are detached we actually enjoy the show of the inevitable demise of something that is hurting people.

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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    I'm somewhere between the civil disobedience and armed insurrection stage.

    The problem as I see it is that the state is already aiming to create social unrest on purpose. It does this in 2 ways. Firstly it lays the ideological groundwork via social engineering. Secondly it forces people through technical mechanisms into a corner, where the peaceful, lawful and orderly options become less and less lucrative and feasible compared to violent means. Such as with segregating people, such as with controlled, directed migration and the wilful destruction of living spaces and food.

    For example there was a flood here in Germany because of a dam that broke. There are literally sensors attached for the exact purpose to predict when there is danger of a flood. So way before the flood even happened, it was already known that if it wasn't about to happen for sure, it at the very least was going to be a sign to evacuate people. The areas along which the flood came were the same as previous floods in the area before, so it was also not the case that the state just didn't know that said flooded towns would be affected. And after the flood was over, the state didn't do anything to help the people at Ahrweiler out. They even intentionally blocked aid and threw the people who had lost their homes out of the shelters because of muh corona endangers these people.

    The state acts exactly like women do. 1:1 the same behavior. Always trying to gain control over you and impose their shit on you and if you don't comply with their authoritarian garbage, they frame it as "helping" you by locking you up or pushing you around. The countries targeted for a rise in social unrest are all the countries that aren't China. In South America most countries are already shitholes. And since the meat industry is planned to be toned down, even the meat export that countries there like Brazil rely on will fall away over time. African, European, Central and South Asian countries, they are all bowing to the pressure applied by international institutions.

    They need poverty and social unrest, so that they can present their wonder remedies of total enslavement, which is the universal basic income and the excuse needed to roll up the military against anyone who opposes the changes.

    There is no point in keeping the social order either, though. If 2020 didn't come along, the bluepilled average guy would just keep slaving away his life because there wasn't a window of opportunity for a change that could break down the techno-industrial or digital-financial system and replace it. If the creation of social unrest can be accelerated beyond the expectations of the self-proclaimed global central planners, the old system that relied heavily on endless consumption (via the IT and financial industry that made every other sector dependent on them) will break down before the new system that they are currently trying to establish with 5G, IoT, IoB AIaaS etc. can be properly established. That is also why the central planners are panicking so much with the ever-increasingly more authoritarian measures. Many of the individual parts that make up the old system use their free will to sabotage the steps made by the establishment. Look at New Zealand, where they locked the whole country down because of a single covid case. A desperate act out of panic.

    The people that own everything and exert their influence over the national countries with their money, like Pichai, Musk, Gates, Zuckerberg and the whole lot, they are approaching a point where they can no longer sustain themselves based on the current or former financial system.

    If people comitt to government organized riots like e.g. those of antifa, then the government has the opportunity to send in troops and establish a new order. If people naively form peaceful protest groups, the government can crush the protest and make it sound in the media like they just put the "right-wing extremists" down. But if people comitt to civil disobedience and sabotaging of the system on their own terms on a scale large enough to reach a critical mass, then there is absolutely nothing the government can do about it except to escalate the situation on a per-capita or per-group basis that they can not possibly justify anymore even with propaganda because everyone will know someone who will know someone who was affected. The lies of the propaganda machine are not limitless. The masses of people are dumb, but as with any liar, you can only weave so much of a web of lies until you contradict yourself so much that you lose credibility to more and more people until no one believes you anymore. And that's what the state is doing right now. They are running out of time. What would also suck immensely for them would be if the transition into the new normal was prevented in some countries completely. Then the investments of their major players would become worthless. For example Gates with all the farmland he bought or Elon Musk with his unrealistic SpaceX and Neuralink fantasies.

    Most importantly to men in the world today there are 2 enemies: The state applying pressure onto you from top-down and the dumb masses from bottom-up. Trying to stay afloat within or reach for the middle class in that pincer strategy is pointless. Just empty the middle class positions, take your belongings into safety and have them pincer the blank air.

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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    My plan is simple.

    Continue living my minimalist lifestyle in stable employment for approximately 12 years.
    Keep an eye on world events and research where's the best part of the world to relocate to, this subject would be worth a future thread in itself.
    Get the hell out of here !!!
    This is exactly my plan and has been for long. I have done a ton of research and have a very good idea where I'll end up in the world.

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    If you think that even the Democrats or Left wing parties around the world aren't coming up with strategies on how to deal with protests that they supposedly support than you are kidding yourself. I recall last year that the BLM protesters turned up at a Politicians house a Politician who supported them and she freaked right out!!

    I've always seem MGTOW as passive resistance even if politics and activism isn't the aim of the MGTOW.

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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    If you can kick the government when their not looking, you might get away with that. But openly defy the system? Better like jail food if that's what you think. There's no future in being a street fighting man.
    Remember the Weather Underground? A group a college types from the sixties that thought they'd get tough with the federal government. The feds went nuts, and spent decades tracking down every last one they could find. A middle aged women from a nearby town who had lived there lawfully for thirty years was hauled off to the pen just like that when she was discovered. The federal government will never overlook open rebellion.
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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    If you can kick the government when their not looking, you might get away with that. But openly defy the system? Better like jail food if that's what you think. There's no future in being a street fighting man.
    Remember the Weather Underground? A group a college types from the sixties that thought they'd get tough with the federal government. The feds went nuts, and spent decades tracking down every last one they could find. A middle aged women from a nearby town who had lived there lawfully for thirty years was hauled off to the pen just like that when she was discovered. The federal government will never overlook open rebellion.
    This exactly.

    I always roll my eyes when Americans talk about how their right to bear arms is a final check against a tyrannical government. Wake up to reality, the moment you start shooting you are going to get ventilated by the cops, National Guard and/or military, and that's if you are lucky. If you are unlucky you're going to end up getting beaten insensate and locked up for the rest of your life. And nobody else is going to give a shit. They might cry and whine about it for 6 months, but eventually you'll be forgotten to wither away in some dark cell.

    Just look at Edward Snowden. He leaked information about NSA surveillance and had to flee to Russia, and Americans in general don't give a shit. If you go trying to stir up active rebellion no-one is going to shed a tear when you get knocked on the head, they will just see you as a trouble maker.

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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Quote Originally Posted by thenamelessone View Post
    This exactly.

    I always roll my eyes when Americans talk about how their right to bear arms is a final check against a tyrannical government. Wake up to reality, the moment you start shooting you are going to get ventilated by the cops, National Guard and/or military, and that's if you are lucky. If you are unlucky you're going to end up getting beaten insensate and locked up for the rest of your life. And nobody else is going to give a shit. They might cry and whine about it for 6 months, but eventually you'll be forgotten to wither away in some dark cell.

    Just look at Edward Snowden. He leaked information about NSA surveillance and had to flee to Russia, and Americans in general don't give a shit. If you go trying to stir up active rebellion no-one is going to shed a tear when you get knocked on the head, they will just see you as a trouble maker.
    Our constitution has become nothing more than an outstanding indictment on the government, reducing them to the criminals they truly are. No?

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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Our constitution has become nothing more than an outstanding indictment on the government, reducing them to the criminals they truly are. No?
    It's like belonging to a union. Some brothers are a lot more equal than others.
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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    It's like belonging to a union. Some brothers are a lot more equal than others.
    Especially the union boss, they live in a lap of luxury that only a union can provide!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Our constitution has become nothing more than an outstanding indictment on the government, reducing them to the criminals they truly are. No?
    No idea.

    What I will observe is that rules exist to be imposed on the ruled by the rulers. After all, rules only matter when they can be enforced, so rules can only be effected on someone who is beholden to a greater power.

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    Re: Rebellion strategy, for the common folk

    Quote Originally Posted by thenamelessone View Post
    No idea.

    What I will observe is that rules exist to be imposed on the ruled by the rulers. After all, rules only matter when they can be enforced, so rules can only be effected on someone who is beholden to a greater power.
    Tyrannical rule is everything opposed to self rule, and self rule is the core of freedom.

    You can either make your own laws to live by, or abide by other laws not made in your best interest, in fact, detrimental and burdensome to individual liberty, prosperity, safety, and security.


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