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    R Kelly

    R Kelly is being taken to court for the usual "fake rape" charges . He was acquitted of sex charges in 2008.

    Technically they're hitting him with "racketeering" charges - which seems odd because I believe he's the only one accused of having relations with them. They're also using a law from over 100 years ago (Mann Act) which forbids transporting people across state lines for "immoral" acts. Wonderful- I hope they have a modern interpretation of what "moral" means.

    It's interesting the first case they publicize is supposedly having sex with a 17-year old guy in Illinois. The age of consent in Illinois is 17. So clearly they know its legal; consensual gay sex is legal and sex with 17 year olds is legal. They are using optics against him since people won't like hearing this. Of course the woman prosecuting him (Assistant U.S. Attorney Maria Cruz Melendez) plays these games. It's psychology.

    These women he was with were using him to gain fame. Their relationships didn't last. They agreed to whatever "rules" there were. Far as I can tell, there is only he-said-she-said. Let's hope that alone doesn't rise to the level of imprisoning a man. All the female tears in the world ought not subvert the legal system we have, based on evidence.

    He's already been in a detention center for two years- effectively jailed- on these suspect charges. This is what happens when you're a man- regardless of your race. This is life as a man when the system has been designed by the elite to subordinate "ordinary men" at the bottom of the totem pole, at the mercy of women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    Let's hope that alone doesn't rise to the level of imprisoning a man.
    Hmm, I seem to recall the same with Harvey Weinstein - the girls knew what they were exchanging for, he had emails, letters from the girls proving it was consensual and that implied the girls knew they were exchanging sex for movie roles, and he still ended up in jail.

    Anyway, haven't men already been imprisoned for far less - like merely looking a bit too long (staring)?
    I'd say that is far worse - no physical contact, a man need not lay a hand on a women and all she has to do to send him to jail is to point a finger at him and say 'He was staring at me!'

    Examples:


    Glasgow man jailed for staring: (https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/...hrough-window/)

    In Kerala, India, looking for more than 14 seconds could land you in jail: (https://indianexpress.com/article/tr...ywire-2978053/)


    Also in Italy: (https://uk.reuters.com/article/oukoe...36302120080418)


    UAE: (https://www.khaleejtimes.com/nation/...omments-in-uae)



    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    This is what happens when you're a man- regardless of your race.
    Agreed. And conversely, every attempt is made to keep women out of jail:

    In UK, the Prison Reform Trust has been actively working to remove prison for women since its establishment in the 1980s.

    In 2002, the Home Office issued a directive to keep women out of jail (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ce-188994.html).


    In June of 2018, the Justice Secretary revealed that women will only be jailed for serious offences. Plans for new women's prisons were cancelled to be replaced by women's centres (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ommit-violent/).


    The movement to keep women out of jail has spread to Australia (https://www.sydneycommunityfoundatio...out-of-prison/)


    And to Canada where the CSC has manually re-jigged the security classification scale several times in order to try to keep women out of jail (https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2020/03...id-19-prisons/) and (https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star...-travesty.html)


    We're living in a highly biased society for women and against men - a misandrist gynocracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith79 View Post
    Hmm, I seem to recall the same with Harvey Weinstein - the girls knew what they were exchanging for, he had emails, letters from the girls proving it was consensual and that implied the girls knew they were exchanging sex for movie roles, and he still ended up in jail.
    Yes. Disturbingly the DA said that effectively no evidence was needed for conviction. The case relied on testimony. The Weinstein case contributed an awful precedent for future rape convictions.

    Prosecutors may also feel more emboldened. As Manhattan D.A. Vance stated afterward, “Rape is rape whether the survivor reports it within the next hour, within a year, or never at all. It’s rape, despite the complicated dynamics of power and consent after an assault. It’s rape even if there is no physical evidence. Even if it happened a long time ago.”
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    In Australia several high profile cases have fallen over. There's been a bit of a push back here which I was happy to see and cases of he said/she said have started to fail in court rooms. I believe that correspondingly, police have not been charging as many men as they might have if those cases had gotten up.

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    Re: R Kelly

    Quote Originally Posted by _RPK_ View Post
    In Australia several high profile cases have fallen over. There's been a bit of a push back here which I was happy to see and cases of he said/she said have started to fail in court rooms. I believe that correspondingly, police have not been charging as many men as they might have if those cases had gotten up.
    Two cases come to mind:
    Geoffrey Rush has major court win against Daily Telegraph

    Australian actor Craig McLachlan cleared of stage indecency
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