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    I have recently begun following MGTOW philosophy and even talking about it to my friends. Not much support there but what's new?

    I have some questions regarding the ideas of MGTOW and how I should act as a consequence. I hope that I could get some help and insight into them please.

    1. Must MGTOWS make jokes about women?

    2. I'm generally a nice guy all round. I like helping others whether they are men or women. But is that simpish behaviour? Should I aim to be a little less considerate about other people? Women especially?

    3. How does a Christian go their own way but still stay true to their faith?

    I am not trolling or trying to be smart. These are questions I sincerely want to ask.

    Thank you.

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    1. Must MGTOWS make jokes about women?
    No. However it is a target rich environment and all humor to be good has to have an element of truth in it.

    2. I'm generally a nice guy all round. I like helping others whether they are men or women. But is that simpish behaviour? Should I aim to be a little less considerate about other people? Women especially?
    To live ones life and not be compassionate or even just considerate to others isn't correct. That said help whomever you wish but let it be your choice. Time is your only asset and if you let others eat up your time by asking for "one little favor" they will. Soon they will take all your time and ask for still more. Learn to say "No".

    3. How does a Christian go their own way but still stay true to their faith?
    Can't help you there.
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    Re: New member questions

    Quote Originally Posted by chbedok View Post
    I have recently begun following MGTOW philosophy and even talking about it to my friends. Not much support there but what's new?

    I have some questions regarding the ideas of MGTOW and how I should act as a consequence. I hope that I could get some help and insight into them please.

    1. Must MGTOWS make jokes about women?
    It's not a requirement. But to parody the tech world, "it's not a bug, it's a feature!"

    2. I'm generally a nice guy all round. I like helping others whether they are men or women. But is that simpish behaviour? Should I aim to be a little less considerate about other people? Women especially?
    I consider myself to be an 'all-around nice guy' as well, considerate and ready-to-help; but I don't let that go so far that I become 'simpish,' because I have boundaries and I don't stretch myself beyond them. Also, my boundaries are the same for men and women. I won't help a woman 'more' just because she lacks a Y-chromosome; I will help someone 'more' if they plainly need it, such as pulling a box off a high shelf in the grocery for a PERSON (note emphasis and asexual label) in a wheelchair.

    There's a line between courtesy and 'chivalry.' I'd say you can best draw that for yourself.

    3. How does a Christian go their own way but still stay true to their faith?
    I am not a Christian, so I cannot answer as a Christian ... but I would suggest that Jesus went HIS own way, certainly in respect to the practices of the dominant religions of the time. Admittedly, He paid a heavy price for it ... but He wasn't a simp about it, either.

    As I've heard it from Christians who know more about Christianity than I do (such as Dalrock), the modern churches have gone way off the cams in a feckless pursuit of Political Correctness, Mangina-ism, and the Eternal Reverence of the Female Rationalization Hamster. They display the tokens of Christianity, but fall way short of the Spirit of Christ and His actual teachings.

    Follow His precepts as you're able, but don't let yourself be pushed around "in His name."



    Oh, and one other thing - Please introduce yourself in New Member Intros.
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    Re: New member questions

    1. Must MGTOWS make jokes about women?
    Women make themselves enough of a joke already as it is. (See what I did there?)

    2. I'm generally a nice guy all round. I like helping others whether they are men or women. But is that simpish behaviour? Should I aim to be a little less considerate about other people? Women especially?
    Coming from the same place you do, let me tell you something. You have to learn the diference between being a considerate person and being pushed around. Of course, never stop yourself from helping somebody in need for some weird moral standard, but when people (both men and women alike) ask you for something that is their job and they can get it done perfectly by themselves, don't let that through.

    3. How does a Christian go their own way but still stay true to their faith?
    Now this is the real meat of your questions, isn't it. I'll have to make a few assumptions in your lack of detail, so forgive me if I get something wrong.

    I think MGTOW and religion don't have that many irreconcilable points, but of course that vision of the "happy traditional family" is a no-no if you are tangoing in the slightest with MGTOW.
    If that is your concern, I would like to remind you that the most devout (and almost all the important figures of christianity) followed the counsels of perfection: chastity, poverty and obedience. From all kinds of religious orders up to the holy orders, christians would try to stir their life into the path of perfection, mostly through prayer and meditation, there were no women in the equation. It is not so far-fetched to compare it to the MGTOW path, even though religion has a deep element of faith, which might distance one from the other.



    You might also think that this is all about denigrating women (which I take from your first question). Now, while I agree that some people are quite snarky when it comes to women in here, I would like to remind you that they once used to love them up until they got screwed over, hard.

    One of the reasons I like this community is the fact that hardly anywhere else you can find so point-blank and blunt discussions and research on both the nature of men and women. Nobody in here is a "lesser" creature of God, for as much as they are driven by their impulses, so are we by ours, or gynocentrism woudn't even be a thing in the first place.

    I am no religious man myself, so I might have missed the core of your concerns. If that's the case, I would invite you to come foward and share your thoughts. This first message of yours has really left me interested in your story, so I would love to know how MGTOW came into your path.



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    Re: New member questions


    1. Must MGTOWS make jokes about women?
    of course not. making jokes in general is funny and appreciated, but you don't have to joke about anyone. we do not hate women here.

    2. I'm generally a nice guy all round. I like helping others whether they are men or women. But is that simpish behaviour? Should I aim to be a little less considerate about other people? Women especially?
    well, i personally find it that women never help men. if i ask a guy friend for a favor, he would probably call me a "faggot" then do me the favor. if i ask a female friend she will be like "awww honey, i wish i could but im busy with....bla bla"
    so i don't do favors for women because they never do me favors.
    3. How does a Christian go their own way but still stay true to their faith?
    im not religious, but what does religion have to do with not marrying/cohabitation?
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    1. Must MGTOWS make jokes about women?

    2. I'm generally a nice guy all round. I like helping others whether they are men or women. But is that simpish behaviour? Should I aim to be a little less considerate about other people? Women especially?

    3. How does a Christian go their own way but still stay true to their faith?
    There are some really good answers on this thread. I'll add my tuppence worth (that's English for two cents worth).

    1. No. MGTOWs are very individualistic and are not fond of being told that they must or must not do anything. You can make jokes about women, or about men, or about transgenders. No one is special, so no one is above being the butt of a joke. There is no privilege here.

    2. If you help women because they are women, then you're a SIMP. If you help people regardless of gender, then you're a nice guy. In other words: treat people equally. There is no female privilege here.

    There is no need to be inconsiderate to other people but there is a need to value yourself. You are a person of worth in your own right, not merely a servant to others.

    3. I speak as an atheist, so feel free to disregard what I'm about to say. My understanding of Christianity is that it's based on self-sacrifice. (It's physical representation of God is of a man being tortured to death for the sake of others.) This, it seems to me, would make it more difficult to be a MGTOW because as a Christian you have to put the interests of others ahead of your own interests. It would not preclude your being MGTOW but it would make it more difficult. For example, your willingness to sacrifice yourself for others would make you easily exploitable by a woman who expects you to be her servant because she's a "lady". (N.B. There are no ladies, there are only women.)

    Having said that, I think what SaltySpoon has to say about the chaste Christian ascetic being a religious parallel to MGTOW is fascinating and that could be a useful avenue for you to explore further.
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    Re: New member questions

    First of all not all MGTOW are the same, a MGTOW is someone creating or living is own new way of live, MGTOW community only offers perspective about the world, it's not a mandatory way to live or a set or rules to follow, if you brand yourself as a MGTOW is because you believe in our vision of the world and adapt it to your own life, only you knows what MGTOW means to you. Now, about your questions.

    1.- No, we explore many aspects of the female mind and some of those aspect are absurd so we laugh about it or the absurd of some aspects of feminism or the SJW, and of course some MGTOW may joke about women because is fun or because them are still hurt after the divorce or the injustice us as men live, but in reality MGTOW is a about respect for us and for everyone, but of course, that respect must be earned.

    2.- Many of us are nice guys, I still help my family and friends when I can or help others if in the streets, also open doors for other people or leave my seat if someone need it, again, it's you choice but it's not the same a nice guy and a white knight, if you are kind the is ok, if you do it because chivalry or acceptance then you must want to think about it.

    3.- If you faith work for you then, what is the problem? being a MGTOW is about your own way, if the religion work for you then perfect, there are some bad people inside religion like ISIS or phedophile priest, those aspect of religion are awful but the faith is yours, MGTOW respect your belief.

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    3. How does a Christian go their own way but still stay true to their faith?
    You're going to have to be more specific. Mention the thoughts you had that got your thinking stuck.
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    Re: New member questions

    Quote Originally Posted by chbedok View Post
    I have recently begun following MGTOW philosophy and even talking about it to my friends. Not much support there but what's new?

    I have some questions regarding the ideas of MGTOW and how I should act as a consequence. I hope that I could get some help and insight into them please.

    1. Must MGTOWS make jokes about women?

    2. I'm generally a nice guy all round. I like helping others whether they are men or women. But is that simpish behaviour? Should I aim to be a little less considerate about other people? Women especially?

    3. How does a Christian go their own way but still stay true to their faith?

    I am not trolling or trying to be smart. These are questions I sincerely want to ask.

    Thank you.
    1. No but it sure is fun!
    2. As long as you know when you're being used there's nothing wrong with it. 95% of the time you'll be used by women.
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    Re: New member questions

    Quote Originally Posted by chbedok View Post
    3. How does a Christian go their own way but still stay true to their faith?

    I am not trolling or trying to be smart. These are questions I sincerely want to ask.

    Thank you.
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    Don't try to fool yourself that these females are angels or miracle workers, you will be disappointed.
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    Re: New member questions

    MGTOW and religion are compatible if you don't go showing off you MGTOW tatts.

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    Re: New member questions

    Quote Originally Posted by chbedok View Post
    1. Must MGTOWS make jokes about women?
    Sometimes, you either gotta laugh or you gotta cry.

    Quote Originally Posted by chbedok View Post
    2. I'm generally a nice guy all round. I like helping others whether they are men or women. But is that simpish behaviour? Should I aim to be a little less considerate about other people? Women especially?
    Simpish behaviour - which women rightly despise - is when you help someone with an unstated expectation that you will get something in return, and then get butthurt when the girl does not fellate you for helping her to move house.

    If you want to be christlike, well, that's fine. But there's a line between being christlike and enabling someone to be a bad person.

    Quote Originally Posted by chbedok View Post
    3. How does a Christian go their own way but still stay true to their faith?
    Christian men have been doing this - well - for 2000 years. Unfortunately, Jehovah frowns on fornication so yes that does make life a bit more difficult for the aspiring christian MGTOW.

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    I am no religious man myself, so I might have missed the core of your concerns. If that's the case, I would invite you to come foward and share your thoughts. This first message of yours has really left me interested in your story, so I would love to know how MGTOW came into your path.



    History;

    My first encounter with a girl was in Secondary School. She challenged me to a fight. And being the naive young boy I was I accepted. It ended with her calling every other guy from every other class over for a lynching.

    My second encounter with a girl was in polytechnic. There I was called a stalker because I just so happened to frequent the library's comic section and this girl just so happened to be there. I developed a crush on her of course, because I'm an idiot, but that did not last.

    My third encounter with a girl was when I developed a crush on her. I acted like a typical simp, but I had no expectations anyway so I did not push anything and it died out eventually. It was at this stage that I tried many things to impress this girl, I shaved my head because she thought that bald guys were hot. I tried to style myself up. But apathy finally won out and I abandoned that particular approach soon enough.

    The last girl was a close friend of mine for three years. During those three years, I was someone that she could rely upon in times of need and was a shoulder for her to cry on. I liked her at first, but I stuck around because I was nice and saw no reason to not help her out when I could. Unfortunately, she was not there when I asked her for help, and her pursuit of relationships and her career soon chilled the friendship. The problem was that she would constantly try to insert her boyfriend into our activities as friends and I thought that was inappropriate. Her boyfriend doesn't know me and I cared not a whit about him, so while it was friendly enough when we got together, it still felt awkward nonetheless. That was he first boyfriend.

    Her second boyfriend caused her to have an argument with her own mother, and after that she left and moved in with the boy. They were not married, and the boy was living with his family. I knew that wasn't going to last. And what do you know. It didn't

    At our most recent meeting, she invited me to this live band/bar thing. This was after I had returned from the UK. Now far be it from me to stop a person from listening to music. But I would have expected a setting more conducive for catching up, instead I got loud music, another of her insipid girlfriends, and I spent the whole night with three other guys from the band. Maybe I was being petty, but I felt that that was inappropriate behavior and setting for a meeting between friends who have not met each other in a long time. Am I being petty?

    Last I heard of her, she has found another boyfriend and that guy has rented her an apartment to live in. Considering what I know about MGTOW, I am not surprised.

    Otherwise, I'm just curious as to how Christian MGTOWs do things in general. I think I was purple pill to some extent before MGTOW, but once I started, things that were said struck a chord and I decided to go into it. Started with videos by Sandman, and started going from there. But I'm having trouble finding websites and articles about MGTOW. Mostly I find men rights or other similar sources instead.

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    Re: New member questions

    Well, you avoided a few bullets, didn't you. I'm glad you managed to get by, even if it was a bumpy ride.

    On the MGTOW content side, I believe that the best production can be found mostly resides in Youtube. People such as Stardusk or Spetsnaz come to mind. In your introduction you did mention you like philosophy, so in case you haven't met him yet, Marcus is my favourite. There are hours upon hours of information and talks to listen to.

    On the other hand, if you're not convinced by videos, then yeah, it's a bit more difficult. Still, this forum has some huge archives of posts stored, some of them with blogs and articles linked. You can go through the topics that catch your eye the most, there are some golden pieces floating around. If you haven't yet, you should check the MGTOW 101 sub-forum. In any of ways, there's no drought of content.

    I'm curious as well on how religion and MGTOW work together, but it isn't a topic that's talked about much. As I said before, I do see some correlations, but Marlow and Beija pointed out some flaws I hadn't noticed in my reasoning. I think it strongly depends on how you decide to live your faith and what that entails.

    In any case, I would like to extend you a warm welcome to this forum. I hope you find your own way and have a great time being around!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chbedok View Post
    1. Must MGTOWS make jokes about women?
    Not necessarily, and probably better if not. Ephesians 5:4, Proverbs 17:5.

    Quote Originally Posted by chbedok View Post
    2. I'm generally a nice guy all round. I like helping others whether they are men or women. But is that simpish behaviour? Should I aim to be a little less considerate about other people? Women especially?
    The key to remember is to lay this in terms of appearance. Leviticus 19:15, Proverbs 24:23, John 7:24. Observe your motives, and preferences - this is what is referred to as judgment Matthew 7:1-5. Do you do something for women that you wouldn't for a man? That's the answer to your question. Think of it in the tone of grace as opposed to an obligation owed others because you're a man, which is really what it all amounts to.

    Quote Originally Posted by chbedok View Post
    3. How does a Christian go their own way but still stay true to their faith?
    Go God's way. Exodus 20:3-6. This coincides almost exactly with the base function of MGTOW. Worship God and Him alone. Gynocentrism, feminism, feminine imperative, traditionalism, and all the other nebulousness used to describe it has at its root the worship of women over the worship of God - i.e. Adam's sin Genesis 3:17, more specifically the idea of bridal mysticism. This is a corruption of true Christianity that has entered into it about 600 or so years ago and has steadily grown since. Taking the Christian red pill (so to speak) absolutely necessitates MGTOW for a man in order to fully honor Him, as absolutely poisoned the idea of sex has gotten in the churches and how unholy and vile marriage has become.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isaiah4:1 View Post
    1. No but it sure is fun!
    2. As long as you know when you're being used there's nothing wrong with it. 95% of the time you'll be used by women.
    3. 1 Corinthians 7.
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