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    Pussy Recovery - it's an addiction!

    Hello brothers. I haven't posted in a long time. Work got hectic again and it was all I could do to concentrate on that and keeping my head above water.

    I've never married, but came close once. The breakup felt like a divorce and wrecked me just the same. Shortly thereafter, I discovered the mgtow community online and finally have a name to describe my opinions on long term relationships and the shit-show that Feminism brings our lives.

    Since stepping away from these online forums, an increase in loneliness and desire for female companionship have developed in my thoughts. Today I correlated this development with something else I have experience in - addiction recovery. The interesting thing about alcoholics and drug addicts is that they cannot summon the willpower to deny their inner cravings for short term highs, despite being fully aware of the destructive power these decisions can have on their lives.

    So too with me and pussy. Thoughts of desire and want keep creeping back into the forefront of my mind. Here I am, on the verge of achieving every professional and financial success I dreamed of. And all my mind can focus on is how can I invite a destructive force along for the ride, and then of course allow her to destroy and take all that I've earned if she someday "feelz" like it.

    Going forward, I know what to do. I need to make this forum a priority to protect myself from weak decision making. I've been sober for over fifteen years. Early in my recovery whilst attending twelve step support groups, they would drive home the theory "meeting makers make it". As in, the people that continuously remind themselves that they are fighting their instinctual thoughts in order to clean up their lives will have the highest chance of success. This worked for me with drugs and alcohol. I believe this will save me from future female destruction as well.

    Pussy, similar to drugs and alcohol, delivers an instantaneous release of feel good chemicals in the brain. And just like drugs and alcohol, it will destroy you if allowed to.

    It's unfortunate that my brain is hard-wired to seek destruction. The fortunate thing for me personally is that I have the tools available to resist and make sound decisions. The challenge is remembering what I've learned and not succumbing to primal desires.
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    ML, you got eons of time working against you. Do the strongest and smartest reproduce? Usually. Do the stupid drunk horny losers reproduce? All the time. Just remember, we're all related to someone like that rather we know it or not.
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    "Pussy" is a bad word to use. It belongs to the feminist propaganda that men are animals that only think about sex. And most men will act and talk like that, as if men do not have feelings.

    Why?

    Because feelings are men's weakness. Women control men because men expose themselves on their weak side.

    MEN WANT WOMEN FOR INTIMACY, COMPANIONSHIP AND "LOVE". Sex is the expression of love, it is something men GIVE like a gift, a gift of pleasure, a gift of life.

    Now women are the ultimate pragmatics. They only "love" themselves. Even kids come in second place, its "women AND kids", not "kids and women".

    So its time for people to realize that men are the romantic ones, and women are the transactional ones.

    Any animal hides his weakness and is not afraid to show his strong side.

    So, men hide their feelings because they are weak dealing with feelings! They show bravado because they are strong in the physical area.

    But women are all about feelings. Because they are equipped to deal with them: using hamster logic, egotistical thinking and pure callousness. Its their strong point. However they hide from physical confrontation from being weak.

    I agree with the need for recovering from the addiction, but its the wrong addiction. Sex in itself is not the problem. Romantic attachments are, the need for "love", the lounging for companionship. Men need to understand WOMEN DO NOT PROVIDE THESE THINGS! They only provide a temporary simulacrum of these things.

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    Re: Pussy Recovery - it's an addiction!

    Quote Originally Posted by Manuallaborer View Post
    Hello brothers. I haven't posted in a long time. Work got hectic again and it was all I could do to concentrate on that and keeping my head above water.

    I've never married, but came close once. The breakup felt like a divorce and wrecked me just the same. Shortly thereafter, I discovered the mgtow community online and finally have a name to describe my opinions on long term relationships and the shit-show that Feminism brings our lives.

    Since stepping away from these online forums, an increase in loneliness and desire for female companionship have developed in my thoughts. Today I correlated this development with something else I have experience in - addiction recovery. The interesting thing about alcoholics and drug addicts is that they cannot summon the willpower to deny their inner cravings for short term highs, despite being fully aware of the destructive power these decisions can have on their lives.

    So too with me and pussy. Thoughts of desire and want keep creeping back into the forefront of my mind. Here I am, on the verge of achieving every professional and financial success I dreamed of. And all my mind can focus on is how can I invite a destructive force along for the ride, and then of course allow her to destroy and take all that I've earned if she someday "feelz" like it.

    Going forward, I know what to do. I need to make this forum a priority to protect myself from weak decision making. I've been sober for over fifteen years. Early in my recovery whilst attending twelve step support groups, they would drive home the theory "meeting makers make it". As in, the people that continuously remind themselves that they are fighting their instinctual thoughts in order to clean up their lives will have the highest chance of success. This worked for me with drugs and alcohol. I believe this will save me from future female destruction as well.

    Pussy, similar to drugs and alcohol, delivers an instantaneous release of feel good chemicals in the brain. And just like drugs and alcohol, it will destroy you if allowed to.

    It's unfortunate that my brain is hard-wired to seek destruction. The fortunate thing for me personally is that I have the tools available to resist and make sound decisions. The challenge is remembering what I've learned and not succumbing to primal desires.
    Kudos to you mate for remaining strong! The female population depends on us giving in to our basic urges and doesn't want us talking to others who might interfere with that. That and our legal system is now their primary tool for starting their 'careers', advancing their 'careers', becoming an 'entrepreneur' or securing a comfy retirement. Remember this every time you get the urge, and yes - use MGTOW forums as your support group when you are weak. If nothing else, take a trip to Vegas and hire a pro - a drop in the bucket compared to what a LTR will cost you.
    - Ask Not where have all the Good Men gone, But WHY -

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    Re: Pussy Recovery - it's an addiction!

    The longer you keep any monkey off your back, the weaker and less persistent that monkey becomes, eventually withering away while life becomes more abundant. There's a point where you know you're not going back, it's been trained out of your system, you've been down that road, you know it goes nowhere, it's a dead end and a long walk back, a waste of precious finite time, time better spent increasing your chances for real happiness, real fulfillment, the things money can't buy, and that's GOOD MEMORIES!
    I'm glad I shook off all that shit, like a dog shaking his pelt! Now my mind has warm, comfortable, and dry memories, that otherwise would be living nightmares! Possibly dead.

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    Re: Pussy Recovery - it's an addiction!

    Whenever you feel the urge to have sex/companionship/intimacy from/with a woman, jerk off, orgasm, relax, and rethink. Someone here called it "Post Orgasm Clarity", and I think you could use that.

    Did you see that? POC was given a different meaning
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    Often, people who are on diets gain weight.

    Saying you are addicted to pussy is like saying you are addicted to food, water, sunlight, and air. And addicts, even those who are sober, never stop being addicts. Who is better off? The (permanently) "recovering" addict who is devastated every time they have a "relapse," or the person who can have an occasional glass of wine with dinner?

    You can eat all the good food you want, and you will be healthy and strong. A steady regimen of bad food, even in smaller quantities, will make you fat and ill.

    Lots of clean, pure water is good. Poisoned water, or not enough of it, will kill you.

    You need some sunlight to process Vitamin D. Too much will give you sunburns and skin cancer.

    Clean, fresh air is good. Poisoned air is bad.

    Apply this kind of thinking to pussy. Pussy is not crack cocaine. Your body and mind is the product of evolution. Sexual release and companionship are a feature, not a "bug," in your system. The need for both was so that the species would reproduce.

    Granted, as MGTOW, we realize that there is a lot of tainted pussy out there. We don't hate the "players," but we do blame "the game." The game is "rigged" and we choose not to "play."

    We cannot get the same "deal" our grandfathers got. Marriage 1.0 is gone. The current dating and marriage swimming pool has been drained of dolphins and stocked with of piranha and sharks, and the lifeguards are requiring men to wear life vests and swim trunks made out of liver.

    Denying yourself pussy will be as functional as denying yourself food and water, sunlight and air.

    Develop a healthy relationship with pussy.
    - Don't patronize a market that sells tainted goods (the western world's dating environment.)
    - Don't sign long term contracts for antiquated software that doesn't have any customer support (i.e. marriage.)
    - Don't take on the obligations of a long term employee when a short term contract employee will work three times as hard for you, and if they don't you can terminate at will. (if it floats, flies, or fucks....rent, do not buy.)

    Stop fighting the modern market, recognize that it has changed, and adapt the way the multi-national corporations have adapted. They have no loyalty to their own countries or their native country work forces. They close unprofitable factories at home, move them to where labor is cheaper, and move them again if they find a place with cheaper labor. The stop selling products that are not profitable, lay off employees at will, do not offer retirement plans where they don't have to.

    In a century where everything is globalized, it is counterproductive to seek sex and companionship conforming to rules that were written at the end of the 19th century.

    In a century marked by the "gig economy" where loyalty, if it is expected at all, is from the employee to the employer and not the other way around.

    It is quaint at best, and foolish and deadly at best, to assume "in sickness and health, for richer or poorer, till death do we part," is as light as a feather for her, but heavier than a mountain for you.

    "10% percent of something beats 100% of nothing at all."

    My recommendation: Marriage, dating, even letting your guard down with female coworkers is dangerous in the Western World. So, become a "Passport Playa."

    Do you have passport? A credit card? Access to the internet? A body healthy enough to put up with a two hour airplane ride? Go West young man! Or East! Or South!

    Go eat a nice meal, then another, then put the hunger away and get back to your normal life.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    When I used to objectify women and put them on a pedestal, I couldn't live without them.

    Now that I see them as female human beings and understand their nature, I don't want to be anywhere near them.
    - Feminism is Cancer.
    - Where have all the good men gone? Away. Far far away... from you.
    - NAWALT? Maybe, but EWALT means Russian Roulette is a much safer bet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    Because feelings are men's weakness. Women control men because men expose themselves on their weak side.

    MEN WANT WOMEN FOR INTIMACY, COMPANIONSHIP AND "LOVE". Sex is the expression of love, it is something men GIVE like a gift, a gift of pleasure, a gift of life.

    Now women are the ultimate pragmatics. They only "love" themselves. Even kids come in second place, its "women AND kids", not "kids and women".

    So its time for people to realize that men are the romantic ones, and women are the transactional ones.
    NAMALT !! I know cuz I see one when I look in the mirror.

    No seriously, I am extremely selfish when it comes to ANY interaction. And women are able to see it, quite clearly in fact. My mother could see it when I was a little kid and totally oblivious of this "condition", and it got her worried.

    I agree with Sam's post. Just practicing restraint may not be sufficient. The practice should also include treating everything, including "pussy" and "love" as economic entities and dealing with them as such. While I myself am not a passport player, cuz "self-help" is good enough for me, I will also recommend going out and renting it in some non-western world every now and then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    NAMALT !! I know cuz I see one when I look in the mirror.

    No seriously, I am extremely selfish when it comes to ANY interaction. And women are able to see it, quite clearly in fact. My mother could see it when I was a little kid and totally oblivious of this "condition", and it got her worried.
    Just like any other human feature there are variations. However I am speaking of instinctive and evolutionary drives, like the drive to provide and protect, the genes of parenting and building a family, the need for human contact and intimacy.
    I think every man has this intrinsic weakness exploited by females, because that is how the species evolved, in a parasitical relationship and specialization of genders: men specialize in exploring the world, women specialize in exploring men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    Just like any other human feature there are variations. However I am speaking of instinctive and evolutionary drives, like the drive to provide and protect, the genes of parenting and building a family, the need for human contact and intimacy.
    I think every man has this intrinsic weakness exploited by females, because that is how the species evolved, in a parasitical relationship and specialization of genders: men specialize in exploring the world, women specialize in exploring men.
    Those "evolutionary drives" have been exploited to a degree never seen before in human history! The push for equality has had many unanticipated foundation shifting ramifications, of which are women trained to offer only one thing, and that's sex, and it's mutually beneficial to both parties, so on that account, what they really offer is nothing. Men being trained by our nature instead of a father has made men at large more susceptible to this illusion where somehow one party is valued higher then the other. The icing on the cake, they wear out with age and have a very narrow window.

    The gender war has left this society with some grave decisions to make or suffer a cataclysmic fate. Cracked foundations can't support this kind of social weight, we know what's coming and how to avoid it on our solitary #1. (given the masses). Gentlemen, it's slavery no matter how you slice it, dice it, or dress it! Trade a tiny little window of pleasure for a life not worth living? No, not me, I flipped the bargaining table two decades ago and walked out of a room full of cheaters!

    Now the word is finally spreading! There's better ways to spend your one and only god given life!

    Women are dead for all intents and purposes, they've become walking zombies, that's what their march for equality has left them to offer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    The longer you keep any monkey off your back, the weaker and less persistent that monkey becomes, eventually withering away while life becomes more abundant. There's a point where you know you're not going back, it's been trained out of your system, you've been down that road, you know it goes nowhere, it's a dead end and a long walk back, a waste of precious finite time, time better spent increasing your chances for real happiness, real fulfillment, the things money can't buy, and that's GOOD MEMORIES!
    That was my experience exactly.

    The weird thing was this: While the monkey was in the process of dying, and after its death, I sensed myself becoming more attractive to women. There were more of them around me, and they were taking more liberties. By that I mean offering far more-obvious green lights to proceed. That made no sense at first. But now it does. It makes complete sense.

    So, this is something to watch out for. A man's attractiveness (apart from appearance -- more of an invisible chemistry) might increase rather than decrease, the further away from the plantation he travels. The traps might get more-frequent, and the bait more-tempting. Be on guard, always on guard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    The weird thing was this: While the monkey was in the process of dying, and after its death, I sensed myself becoming more attractive to women. There were more of them around me, and they were taking more liberties. By that I mean offering far more-obvious green lights to proceed.

    Like a hunter that *has to* kill the prey that is smart enough to run away from the slaughter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    That was my experience exactly.

    The weird thing was this: While the monkey was in the process of dying, and after its death, I sensed myself becoming more attractive to women. There were more of them around me, and they were taking more liberties. By that I mean offering far more-obvious green lights to proceed. That made no sense at first. But now it does. It makes complete sense.

    So, this is something to watch out for. A man's attractiveness (apart from appearance -- more of an invisible chemistry) might increase rather than decrease, the further away from the plantation he travels. The traps might get more-frequent, and the bait more-tempting. Be on guard, always on guard.
    Yes, they sensed something, they're like a domesticated herbivore, they'll ignore you, and retreat when approached, but turn your back on them and they can't stand it, they think you're hiding something to eat and the next thing you know they're breathing down your neck looking to get some action!

    When their gravitational tractor beam stops working, they acknowledge it, then start adjusting it to see if they can get it working again! All the time it's you jamming the signal! The moment you give in, it's back to playing cat and mouse again, until she has you as an orbiter, then you're put on a shelf for a rainy day tampon.

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    Re: Pussy Recovery - it's an addiction!

    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    Just like any other human feature there are variations. However I am speaking of instinctive and evolutionary drives, like the drive to provide and protect, the genes of parenting and building a family, the need for human contact and intimacy.
    I think every man has this intrinsic weakness exploited by females, because that is how the species evolved, in a parasitical relationship and specialization of genders: men specialize in exploring the world, women specialize in exploring men.
    Exactly what I have said before in other threads. We are not fighting against any human invented system, atleast not primarily, even if it may appear so at first. We are fighting nature/god. I put it slightly differently your last statement, women specialize in exploring men, men specialize in willingly dying in wars, atleast most of them except a small alpha/chad fraction at top. Our genes are encoded with that design, they send signals to our brains to become heroes and white knights to damsels in distress, so maybe, the goddess(es) of our fantasies may allow us the holy privilege to reproduce.

    The society at best doesnt try to stop us from doing so, and at worst promotes it. Fighting this instinct is the toughest and most important battle. If you win this, winning over rest of the society's mechanisms becomes significantly easier if not outright trivial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    We are not fighting against any human invented system, atleast not primarily, even if it may appear so at first. We are fighting nature/god. I put it slightly differently your last statement, women specialize in exploring men, men specialize in willingly dying in wars, atleast most of them except a small alpha/chad fraction at top.
    Very true! But there was always a balance between the genders, as men used their superior physical strength to balance the female superior psychological manipulations.

    It is the suppression of the main male attribute that made the difference in our days. Now men have to wage war unharmed against entitled females backed by the state, society and the hive. It is a losing proposition.

    That is why perfectly natural instincts must be controlled, less we walk into that trap.

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    I guess some here disagree but I think viewing women as an inborn addiction is very useful. No, you didn't take that first hit of the drug to become addicted, but you are addicted just the same.

    People often ask of MGTOW, "If you dislike women so much, why do you keep talking about them?". The answer is simple and obvious if you look at it like an addiction. MGTOW videos and forums are our AA meetings. We have to keep reminding ourselves of the destructive power we are playing with. If we let our guard down, our hard wired instincts may get the best of us again. Who among us has not heard something like 90% of MGTOW are one blowjob away from being back on the plantation?

    Some choose to use things like dolls, prostitutes or porn to handle the addiction. I call this the methadone solution. It isn't the problem drug, but a stand in for it. My worry about these solutions is they are still reinforcing the neural pathways that lead to the sexual dopamine hit, thus keeping us addicted.

    I am leaning toward nofap or sexual transmutation techniques to deal with the issue, unfortunately with limited success. I'm assuming the OP has beat drugs and alcohol with a strict abstinence policy. I'd like to hear more about that, because lots of people think that is impossible with regard to our procreational urges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    Some choose to use things like dolls, prostitutes or porn to handle the addiction. I call this the methadone solution. It isn't the problem drug, but a stand in for it. My worry about these solutions is they are still reinforcing the neural pathways that lead to the sexual dopamine hit, thus keeping us addicted.
    There is something in what you say here, but it depends on degree.

    Personally when I watch porn, and for others it could be something other like dolls or prostitution or something else, I do it because I feel like it. Ideologically I’m celibate for a long time now, but I still have feelings and urges.

    So I address them. Sometimes that means watching porn, other times it’s just using my imagination.

    With regards nofap, I’m not there yet. On an intellectual level I believe that to be the desired point i.e. any idolising of women is not logical or reasonable, but in reality basic biological drives still play a part in my life.

    Whilst they are diminishing as I grow older (50’s) they are still a part of who I am and to ignore this in myself would seem to be a betrayal of who I really am.

    So in short, I will use any means necessary to keep myself off the farm and if that means using a tool at my disposal (like porn) then that’s what I’ll do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    There is something in what you say here, but it depends on degree.

    Personally when I watch porn, and for others it could be something other like dolls or prostitution or something else, I do it because I feel like it. Ideologically I’m celibate for a long time now, but I still have feelings and urges.

    So I address them. Sometimes that means watching porn, other times it’s just using my imagination.

    With regards nofap, I’m not there yet. On an intellectual level I believe that to be the desired point i.e. any idolising of women is not logical or reasonable, but in reality basic biological drives still play a part in my life.

    Whilst they are diminishing as I grow older (50’s) they are still a part of who I am and to ignore this in myself would seem to be a betrayal of who I really am.

    So in short, I will use any means necessary to keep myself off the farm and if that means using a tool at my disposal (like porn) then that’s what I’ll do.
    I don't disagree with any of that. Like I said, I haven't had much success yet myself. PMO is a better option by far than making yourself a slave again. Like you, I believe nofap is the ideal state. It is something to work toward. That is why I value the opinion of those who have beaten other addictions. There has to be something to learn from the experience.

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    Re: Pussy Recovery - it's an addiction!

    The key to beating a debilitating addiction is to reach a point where your only choice is death or abstinence. "Rock Bottom".

    Wives do this to men all the time with the meat grinder of divorce.

    However, time heals all wounds if you live long enough. This explains why a man once raped in divorce court could wed a second or even third time. It also explains how a drunk could get behind the wheel of a car impaired again after previously suffering the indignity and financial hardship of a DUI.

    In my moments of weakness, I have remembered the best times of the companionship I once shared. It is only after I focus on the spiteful bitterness that developed later that I come to my senses.

    Sharing with other men that have hit the bottom and survived helps to keep me strong.

    Recovering addicts and alcoholics will have an addictive personality for the rest of their life, sober or otherwise. This can be flipped into an asset. Focusing this inherent energy on work can produce financial success. This can also lead to compulsions of other forms (pornography, prostitutes).

    As successful as I've been remaining sober, I've never made it a priority to curb my interest in pornography or women for rent. I suppose I rationalize this as the lesser of available evils. My trouble comes when I begin to wonder if I could enjoy casual sex on a continuing basis with an agreeable lady with none of the associated repercussions of a LTR.

    Of course we know this type of relationship doesn't exist outside of fantasy. And the search for the elusive can put oneself at risk of MeToo accusations.

    Maybe no-fap is the next step to enlightenment? Can anyone testify to life enhancing benefits to abstaining from ejaculating?
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