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    Can post wall women appreciate sex?

    I know many of you will be too young to weigh in, but this is something I'm curious about and I know we have quite a few older guys that might be able to answer.

    Of those people that I know that are married and over 50, I don't know any men that are happy with their sex lives. My ex wife used to tell me that she that she simply did not feel sexual desire after she reached a certain age ( way before 50).

    So I wonder if women are even able to appreciate sex after they get older and approach or reach menopause? If not, then how was marriage ever a good deal for men (pre-feminism)? Were men expected to go 20+ years with little or no physical interaction with their wives? If so, it seems like this bombshell alone should have been enough to deter any man from getting married even back then! I know, however, that no one ever told me this so maybe its just a sign of the times?

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    Re: Can post wall women appreciate sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by RATM View Post
    I know many of you will be too young to weigh in, but this is something I'm curious about and I know we have quite a few older guys that might be able to answer.

    Of those people that I know that are married and over 50, I don't know any men that are happy with their sex lives. My ex wife used to tell me that she that she simply did not feel sexual desire after she reached a certain age ( way before 50).

    So I wonder if women are even able to appreciate sex after they get older and approach or reach menopause? If not, then how was marriage ever a good deal for men (pre-feminism)? Were men expected to go 20+ years with little or no physical interaction with their wives? If so, it seems like this bombshell alone should have been enough to deter any man from getting married even back then! I know, however, that no one ever told me this so maybe its just a sign of the times?
    Back in the 80's, we guys who sat together on coffee break never got real about lack of sex in marriage, except in an abstract third-party sense, and for humor's sake. No one ever inquired personally of another, at least in front of the other guys. It just wasn't discussed. I was the only single guy and was young so maybe they didn't say anything while I was there, but based on how I knew these guys over a period of time I don't think it was a matter of anybody protecting me.

    Now and then over the years back then, when one of them might say out of the blue in conversation, "Don't get married", I'd acknowledge the non sequitur but never ask why did he say that. I decided I knew why, to an extent. But I also knew not to get personal. Maybe something I said had reminded them I was free and single and they were not.

    This was before the internet which opened up disclosure considerably, if only anonymously, and common problems became commonly known, I'd say. With the internet is when I became aware of what really was going on, from men, in their own words, not being abstract or oblique any longer.

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    Re: Can post wall women appreciate sex?

    I read an interesting statement about marriage. I dont remember exact quote, but I produce the gist : The marriage is a negotiation between the sexual preferences of women and men. It tries to give the best possible situation to both partners, while sacrificing optimality for either. The optimal scenario for females, which we can see in modern times, is extreme hypergamy, where they all cluster around a very small percentile of men. The optimal scenario for men is to have several sexual partners. These two extremes are unstable for society, so monogamous marriage is the middle ground, and keeps the society relatively stable.

    Atleast that was what which was written there based on my understanding. So based on this, I think the nature designed us such, that we need to find a new younger wife once the "old one" has wall'd out.
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    Re: Can post wall women appreciate sex?

    civilization is ,or at least was, special. As simple animals, 80% of men are not meant to reproduce. It's the harsh nature of nature. civilization with its socially enforced monogamy extended this privilege to nearly all men. As the old rules break down, we revert to our animal nature. 80% of men will not reproduce. The incel population will continue to grow until it is a super majority. At that point, these men have no other option than MGTOW.

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    To me it's a non-issue, a mute point. A post wall woman to me is a sexual nonperson. She may as well be 80 years old.
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    Re: Can post wall women appreciate sex?

    Can (..) women appreciate sex?

    Because from what I can see, they mostly appreciate resources, opportunity to climb the ladder, and the power trip over men.

    And the way they run through men at the cock carousel is more akin to a desperate search to someone that satisfies them, than appreciating anything.

    They can never be satisfied, so how can they appreciate?

    But in the particular of post wall women, no. And by that time their husbands thank God for that.

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    Re: Can post wall women appreciate sex?

    I believe women never cease to appreciate validation and feeling desired, either case Im with Sid in this one.

    I can hardly get turned on from women mid 30s sexually let alone post wall ones while I surely dont feel like hugging any of them post sex if they are 25 and more.

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    Re: Can post wall women appreciate sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by RATM View Post
    So I wonder if women are even able to appreciate sex after they get older and approach or reach menopause? If not, then how was marriage ever a good deal for men (pre-feminism)? Were men expected to go 20+ years with little or no physical interaction with their wives? If so, it seems like this bombshell alone should have been enough to deter any man from getting married even back then! I know, however, that no one ever told me this so maybe its just a sign of the times?
    Feminism as we know it began pre-twentieth century. This was before the discovery of penicillin when life expectancy was approximately 50 years give or take, so it probably wasn't an issue for most people.

    Prior to the beginning of the 20th Century, infectious diseases accounted for high morbidity and mortality worldwide. The average life expectancy at birth was 47 years (46 and 48 years for men and women respectively) even in the industrialized world. Infectious diseases such as smallpox, cholera, diphtheria, pneumonia, typhoid fever, plaque, tuberculosis, typhus, syphilis, etc. were rampant.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5354621/

    In those days marriage for life probably didn't appear so unreasonable.
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    Re: Can post wall women appreciate sex?

    Lets reverse engineer this question, shall we?

    Can you appreciate sex from a post wall woman? I must admit it's about as attractive as sleeping on a 1957 mattress with springs poking out everywhere!

    Reverse engineering answer: NO!

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    Re: Can post wall women appreciate sex?

    I think lots of men got married only because they were afraid of being called out as weird, or thought to be incapable of finding a wife, or suspected to be an h-mo.

    I think other men got married because they saw their friends getting married and didn't want to get left out of the social circles those men were part of.

    Maybe some men got married out of fear of taking a different road in life than the average man takes.

    Looking back on that list, what's the common theme? Fear.

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    Re: Can post wall women appreciate sex?

    I qualify to offer an answer
    Im mid 50s, married 20 plus yrs, divorcegraped 2 years ago. Her sex drive was pretty good till she hit 40, then it dropped off. Out of duty and because I was so nice to her, I still would get some weekly, but it was just simple lays. Sometimes it felt like Mercy sex, or to keep me from cheating, but a few times she did initiate. In my case I expected as much, since my Mom and Dad had separate beds by the time I was 8, separate bedrooms by the time I was 12 or so. The sex drop-off I was ready for, not the divorcegrape part. A woman today doesn't need a reason for the judge to grant a divorce, all she has to be is unhappy. THEY ALL get unhappy at 40, especially when it means cash and prizes.


    Out of my group of married friends, many were not sexually active after age 35. In some cases the wife let herself go so bad, the husband wasn't that upset

    To answer your main question, what was the benefit for men. In my case, I felt pair bonded. She handled her duties, I handled mine, good routine. Even with a sexless marriage, I would have stayed married for the kids, even now when they are adults. But a warning to all the young guys, women CHANGE. The woman that divorces you, is not the woman you married. All the promises she made to you over the years mean absolutely nothing when she calls on the Divorce Court. That divorce experience will allow you to understand the creature that would pay a doctor to rip out her fetus

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    Re: Can post wall women appreciate sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by FrankS View Post
    But a warning to all the young guys, women CHANGE. The woman that divorces you, is not the woman you married. All the promises she made to you over the years mean absolutely nothing when she calls on the Divorce Court. That divorce experience will allow you to understand the creature that would pay a doctor to rip out her fetus
    ^This. You never really know a woman until you meet her in divorce court.

    I have never been married, but I have seen and heard too many stories from too many wounded men to ignore these warnings.

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    Great answers. I've been through the divorce mill and have seen the reality of the way things end. Now that I'm older and have seen alot I know what to expect.

    When I was younger, however, I married young and had fun and regular sex. I thought that it may decrease a little over time, but assumed that it would be an important component of the relationship.

    As we got older, she seemed to lose all desire. We talked about it and she said she just didn't have any feelings of desire and that if we had sex it would be pretty much for my sake. After doing so, she would seem to have had a great time. But, the next time we'd have to overcome the no desire hump once again to enjoy it again.

    As a man I began to constantly question whether it was right or wrong to stay in a romantic relationship where there was no romance (sex - in a man's mind). I wondered if there might be a way to transition to something else respectfully, but that seemed impossible as well.

    I look back now and think that if this is the norm, why in the world didn't men tell other men? I am glad that this information is now available and that forums like these exist. Maybe it will keep smart young me from finding out the hard way. Just because you see a married older couple doesn't mean they were a success. It is just as likely that they haven't had sex in years and have no real bond to each other at all. This explains the nasty divorce scenarios as well.

    I agree that when I see a 50+ year old woman, I do not see a sexual being either. I don't think nature intended for men to seek out those women for sex since they cannot produce children or are less likely to produce children. Its seems obvious now that to expect anything different is forcing a square peg into a round hole. Thats exactly what marriage is.

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    Re: Can post wall women appreciate sex?

    Bettina Arndt did a video a while back discussing womens lack of desire late in life. It would seem according to the studies she sighted, that women very often enjoy sex after it is initiated, but they don't feel like it before she is a bit into it. She encourages women to just go for it when her man wants it as they will get warmed up and enjoy themselves, even if they don't feel like it right away.
    By modern standards, this would probably be called rape by the woke crowd.

    Bettina usually gives good advice to women. Most however will simply ignore it.

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    Re: Can post wall women appreciate sex?

    Middle aged wives dont want to have sex anymore, their husbands should be grateful about it...I wish no one to have a middle aged woman demanding sex from him every day.

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    Re: Can post wall women appreciate sex?

    I would have thought the older a woman gets the more sexually liberated she becomes. The focus is purely on sexual satisfaction; not resources, children; relationshit; and she is mature enough to see more in a man than just physical looks.

    But of course, that is assuming the woman is financially well and secure.

    Otherwise, she will be looking for a protector/provider.
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    Re: Can post wall women appreciate sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    I would have thought the older a woman gets the more sexually liberated she becomes. The focus is purely on sexual satisfaction; not resources, children; relationshit; and she is mature enough to see more in a man than just physical looks.

    But of course, that is assuming the woman is financially well and secure.

    Otherwise, she will be looking for a protector/provider.
    I would have thought the same thing but it seems women don't look forward to sex as they grow older.

    Body image is a big one as well there is no more chase which fuels a woman's self image. The best analogy I can give is if a man is forced to watch a boner killer picture of a land whale...he isn't going to be up for sex any time soon.

    The older women that are active in sex have better self esteem and have cultivated a personality beyond their looks. But since they are a small minority that is why most other women lose all drive for sex. Women's sexuality is tied to their image and being chased which is short lived.

    I agree with the others in that men and women are not meant to be sexual partners for life. People from ancient times accepted this but we in the modern era have yet to accept this reality.

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    The older women that are active in sex have better self esteem and have cultivated a personality beyond their looks. But since they are a small minority that is why most other women lose all drive for sex.
    Yes, I would agree that the older a woman becomes the less likely she is to take good care of her health and appearance. It's a shame because sex with more mature woman is very satisfying; and they usually never say no and don't manipulate.

    Also, they are willing to split the bill or even pay for it. You'll never get that from a 25 year old even if she is a banker at JP Morgan.
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    Re: Can post wall women appreciate sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    I agree with the others in that men and women are not meant to be sexual partners for life. People from ancient times accepted this but we in the modern era have yet to accept this reality.
    Whoa, I think that's a great observation. In biblical times it was normal for a husband to have concubines; they were for baby-making and sexual pleasure. And the notion was accepted by wives. In one case, a barren wife even suggested her husband impregnate the maid so they (the husband and wife) could have a child and therefore have someone in the blood line to leave the inheritance to.

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    Re: Can post wall women appreciate sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Whoa, I think that's a great observation. In biblical times it was normal for a husband to have concubines; they were for baby-making and sexual pleasure. And the notion was accepted by wives. In one case, a barren wife even suggested her husband impregnate the maid so they (the husband and wife) could have a child and therefore have someone in the blood line to leave the inheritance to.
    It was true thousands of years ago and it is true in today's world.

    The ancient Greeks and Romans realized this as well which is why as long as you had your kids you could fool around afterwards. You did your societal obligation of having kids and you were unchained to do as you wished.

    This type of sentiment is prevalent in other religions as well if you did your duty of raising kids. Having and raising kids gave you the golden ticket to do as you wished from that point forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Yes, I would agree that the older a woman becomes the less likely she is to take good care of her health and appearance. It's a shame because sex with more mature woman is very satisfying; and they usually never say no and don't manipulate.

    Also, they are willing to split the bill or even pay for it. You'll never get that from a 25 year old even if she is a banker at JP Morgan.
    What older women lack in fertility can be mitigated if they maintain feminine nature. But what many women fail to realize is that a feminine nature is purely on personality and how you treat others and less about how people see your outer appearance.

    Most post wall women have resting bitch faces, "I want to talk to your manager haircut", overdone warpaint, etc. These are all overcompensating for fleeting fertility. The investment is in all the wrong places while the feminine nature is at their finger tips and just need a little bit of attention and not neglect. That is why sex positive feminists have been fighting a losing battle because the rest of the feminists want to emulate men to gain power. And yet they don't earn power fairly, or through hard work. And when the feminists gain power they fumble around and don't know what to do with that power.

    Women in general are their own worst enemies without realizing it.


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