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    Why do we post?

    MGTOW websites have a bad rep with some so I thought it might be of benefit to lurkers to understand our motivations for posting on sites such as this.

    I suspect that our personal motivations are many and varied and this should become apparent as this thread grows so let me kick things off by describing as best I can my own motives. I wish to stress that these are my personal views and no doubt some of them will be criticised by other members Ė so be it, we are not drones and we think for ourselves. Reading and trying to understand the views of others, especially when they conflict with my own is important to me. Understanding is my primary goal.

    But first I would like to address a few general criticisms:

    MGTOW is right wing

    What utter nonsense. MGTOW is about understanding female behaviour and highlighting those things that are detrimental to men getting involved emotionally with women. It is totally apolitical. Many of us do have right wing views but speaking for myself while my political views currently align mostly with the right I have voted both right and left wing depending on the issues of the day and who I thought could address the situation best.

    MGTOW are a bunch of woman haters

    Again untrue. Personally I enjoy the company of women in social gatherings and am attracted to many of them. Their constant changing of views on any given subject (hamstering) is amusing and entertaining to me and as I enjoy debating they are a never ending source of conversation. However while I enjoy this in a social setting I cannot abide it in my personal life when important and even everyday decisions need to be made.

    But what about all the nasty comments

    Well what about them? Many of our members have been shat on from a great height by their partners backed up by an unfair legal system and current social trends, itís only natural that we get angry and vent that anger. Airing these views is just as important as presenting our arguments in a calm manner as it highlights the full effect relationships with women can have on men.

    Men are just as bad as women, many even worse

    On this I agree. But as a heterosexual male Iím not interested in romantic relationships with other men therefore male behaviour in a relationship has no direct impact on me. I am primarily interested in how to protect myself from the poor behaviour of women thus it is mainly womenís behaviour that we discuss.



    So now we get to the crux of the matter. Why do I post here?

    The rage left me many years ago. Having been celibate now for almost 20 years I have managed to cut female influence from my private life almost completely. I now enjoy life such that I can and if you were to bump into me in person youíd usually find me with a smile on my face. I donít have much in the way of possessions because I neither want nor need them, things are just things, but generally speaking Iím a happy guy.

    Again, why do I post here? Well there are a few reasons.

    Feminism

    Feminism is a blight to humankind, not just men. Most women and many men claim to support feminism but only because they donít realise what it actually is. Bullshit says the lurker we know that feminism is about getting equal rights for women. Bullshit says I. Feminism is about rights for women not equal rights for women. If it was about equal rights it would be called egalitarianism. We, in the west at least, already live in a world where the legal rights of women FAR outstrip those of men and these inequalities need to be highlighted and addressed.

    SJWís and activists

    Often I sympathise at least a little with these types. For the most part they see an injustice and wish to do something about it. I understand. But more often than not they donít think far enough ahead to see the damage the changes that they want to make will have. Maybe itís laziness, lack of education or just the desire to revolt, but whatever their reasons they are also often a blight on society.

    Relationships

    As already stated I have little problem with women in a social setting. That being said I am in my fifties and am fortunate to live in a nice middle class area therefore my experiences may not be your experiences. Generational, class and geographic differences are obviously going to be factors in how men and women relate to each other both socially and personally.

    My problem is with relationships. I believe it is incredibly naÔve at best and total stupidity at worst to believe that two people, whether heterosexual or otherwise, can be happy living their lives together for so many years. People change. Our attitudes change, our behaviours change, our looks change, our health changes, everything about us changes over time. Why would you enter into any contractual obligation when you cannot possibly foresee the challenges and outcomes. It doesnít make any kind of sense to me.

    Thatís not to say it cannot work out, obviously it can, but the chances are slim in todayís day and age and the risk if youíre a man is enormous.

    The Education System

    The education system is being, and has been infiltrated for many years with nonsensical and dangerous views. These views by many are considered left wing views Ė feminism, sexuality, human rights, global warming etc. but they have nothing to do with political leanings. Maybe this is one explanation for many seeing us as right wing. Keep things like this for philosophy classes if that is your bent and keep socialism, capitalism etc. for politics classes.

    Under the radar

    Many changes in societal views and especially law reform are happening Ďunder the radarí. In other words they are being imposed upon us without our understanding of the consequences and when it comes to the law often without our knowledge until after the laws have been passed. These issues need to be highlighted.

    Education

    By this I donít mean the education system Ė thatís fucked! (for the moment at least). I mean men educating other men as to the pitfalls in our society and the dangers associated with relationships with women. It isnít for me to tell another man that they should never enter into a relationship with a woman, thatís none of my business, I just want them to know just what it is they are getting into so they can make their own mind up as to whether or not it is worth it to them.

    The Media

    Yes the so-called news media, but also movies and T.V. It seems these days that feminism, sexuality and SJW viewpoints are being pushed into our media in an attempt to force a change in public opinion. Maybe it will work and maybe it wonít, but for me I see it as an unwelcome intrusion and a portent of things to come.

    Debating with those capable of reason

    Last, and maybe most importantly I respect the views of the members here. Whilst I may not always agree with everything said your views are always important to me. I reflect on them and thereby learn.

    Thank you all.
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    Re: Why do we post?

    Excellent post as usual Jackoff.

    I post occasionally here and there but 'click' daily because I consider that I owe something to the MGTOW Zietgiest and also consider that it is a bit beyond 'The Red Pill' although that analogy has been immensely useful and there is no denying its core framework in MGTOW.

    Writing your thoughts down is a very good way of achieving self-clarity and defining oneself and scanning yourself for bullshit (I'm guilty).

    Many (most probably) MGTOW don't even realise that there's a name for it or that its a 'thing' and even if they did know they maybe wouldn't buy-in to an identity but its still a resource that they can access and hopefully benefit from because there is possibly no creature on the planet so isolated as a 'lost in the fog' MGTOW who has no point of reference in society but never-the-less knows at a subconscious level that he is being gas-lighted massively by social expectation, media, family and friends.

    Many a questioner stumbled upon MGTOW and thought "For fucks sake, why didn't somebody say something" and the answer to that is that 'thing' is taboo and will never be said except for in satire perhaps but also nobody has ever really quantified and qualified that 'thing' before but published writings reveal that 'thing' for whatever the reader wishes it to be and for the fog-bound nascent MGTOW this could well be the difference between cheerful and depressed or actually even choosing life over death. Also, had somebody said something you probably wouldn't listen, but at your leisure you might read.

    Such misgivings can lead a person to withdraw however, for me, I had withdrawn but in reading around and learning MGTOW bits 'n' bobs it became clear that this is also a pathway to re-engaging but upon my terms and conditions not theirs and surprisingly (as long as one is not an areshole about it) that is a very attractive trait and it works on many levels but....still MGTOW though.

    So much excellent content has been lost over the years....gotta try and keep it coming.
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    Re: Why do we post?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    MGTOW is right wing

    What utter nonsense.
    But we are far-right crazy neo-n***s cuz we are all on the right side of general Mao Zedong !

    On serious note, I have a personal religion, which is very intolerant and monotheistic and like a crazy fanatic I wont like to interact with anybody outside it. And the god of this religion is truth and truthfulness. On this forum, everyone seem to follow this god, even if they may not admit it the way I admit it. And new members are tested for adherence, at the gates !!

    Yes we have our disagreements, quite a lot of it, but that is only because of our differences in what we are perceiving as truth, or just difference preferences. And oh our preferences vary so much, it adds to the charm. As example, on topic of relationships with other people, I am almost polar opposite to what Jackoff mentioned his own preferences in opening post. I dont enjoy company of blue pilled people, I dont want to see them, hear them or even be near them. Any interaction with them, outside any business transaction, will immediately result in a confrontation. And not in a good way, I wont try to teach or explain them anything, I will straight up defy and ridicule them, unless I perceive some kind of dangerous retaliation which is rare. Which means people on this forum are one of very very few places where I can socialize normally !!
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    Re: Why do we post?

    I post because it's actually psychological bowel movements from all the psychotic shit I see!
    A man's only "safe space" be in his sovereignty, free from the illusions and misconceptions of a unity that only serves to bind him to tyranny and perdition.

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    Re: Why do we post?

    Why do I post?

    I am a man in the same way my father and grand father before me were. A classical man so to speak. I don't appreciate how being a man in the current 2020 definition means that you have to be one or more of the following things:

    -An incompetent moron who is helpless without his social betters.
    -An immoral scumbag.
    -A Child/woman consuming rapist.
    -A hitleresque tyrant whom is responsible for all bad things in the world, regardless of what you do as an individual.
    -A weak, soy infused reject with a paper machee spine and a will of mud.
    -A "deplorable" unforgivable non-person who is guilty of being born a man. A non-person who shouldn't be treated as human.


    I fully reject and condemn this slanderous modern definition of masculinity. I also fully condemn the propagandists that claim we men owe them stuff due to men being oppressors (as a group). These marxists hate strong men that they can't control, so they lie to enslave us. They corrupt our institutions and our societies at large in order to make us the bad guys. But they can't kill us outright because they can't replace our production.

    The reason I post here is because this is my Soapbox. This is one of the few places I can speak the truth without fear of reprisal. I can fight a man, hell I can fight 10 men, I cannot fight my whole society. When you speak out against feminism, socialism, identity politics and any other social cancer you can expect a mob of hateful assholes to show up at your house. Literally the only people who can speak out in public are at deaths door or otherwise have nothing to lose.

    Its an honor to gather with my brothers here. Basking in the freedom of Going your own way.

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    Re: Why do we post?

    I guess I post here 'cuz I don't get along with "Snow Flakes".
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    I post here because you good Gentlemen do not judge me as some kind of fu*ing odd-ball......er, oh well maybe you do but you are really fuking nice about it and let me blow my steam...so we are all good....and going our own way

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    Re: Why do we post?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knarley Bob View Post
    I guess I post here 'cuz I don't get along with "Snow Flakes".
    Brother Knarley, we're living a friggin BLIZZARD!
    A man's only "safe space" be in his sovereignty, free from the illusions and misconceptions of a unity that only serves to bind him to tyranny and perdition.

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    Re: Why do we post?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Brother Knarley, we're living a friggin BLIZZARD!
    LMFAO, but only because it's sooo true.
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    Re: Why do we post?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppes#9 View Post
    I post here because you good Gentlemen do not judge me as some kind of fu*ing odd-ball......er, oh well maybe you do but you are really fuking nice about it and let me blow my steam...so we are all good....and going our own way
    Fear not. Like the rest of us you're living in a world gone mad. If the world chooses to see us as odd-balls I take comfort in that thought.
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    Re: Why do we post?

    People are social animals, and as such posting here provides me a conduit to like-minded people. I don't consider myself right or left wing. I'm a pesky independent with disdain for both parties, disdain for hypocrisy, and disdain for injustice. This is one of the few forums on the web where I can point out the deficiencies of my own country and the world, for that matter, and still get to keep my skin. When I compare what I see in the media to what I see in my daily life, it's refreshing to know that I can come here and vent, laugh, cry, and point out what a circus act the world has turned into for some of us. In a way we're like the Mormons of old living in our own 'Fort Smith' here at GYOW. Fuck the outside world. The heathens are lynching each other on television while we eat popcorn and laugh at the carnage they all inflict on one another. Another reason I post here? I enjoy pissing off the heathens!
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    Re: Why do we post?

    Great post Jackoff!

    I like to post to vent with those who are likeminded. I am not interested in debating anyone but would love candid discussions. This place seems like the place to do just that.

    It is great to read other peoples stories and hear different philosophies on this site.

    MGTOW simply means self-actualization to me.
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    Re: Why do we post?

    I post because I am going my own way and anyone pursuing personal sovereignty in this world is going to be at odds with a hostile system. It is good to learn how others deal with these interactions and to gain insight into how to survive this matrix.

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    Re: Why do we post?

    Posting for men to provide them hope. The hope that there is always another way as life can go on a journey beyond the blue pill life script.

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    A thought is like an itch, a post is like a scratch.

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    There are very few places these ideas are allowed to proliferate. It's also difficult to get reasonable feedback on these ideas to get worked out by men of like minds. I was over at the mgtow reddit and that forum has more or less devolved into less of what a man could become and instead become a menagerie of pointing out female fuckery. The gated community over here is much nicer.
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    Re: Why do we post?

    Let me tell you that by reading the thoughts from other men over the years I have been able to expand upon what my life goals truly should be. I have re-positioned myself to focus more on myself than satisfying others because that is what was taught to me as a young boy.

    Best part is that I can give back whenever I want but I put myself first as a man.

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    Re: Why do we post?

    My reply is also more dedicated to our lurkers.

    MGTOW is right-wing


    I can only speak for myself. I personally think that politics and politicians are one of our biggest problems we are facing in our society. I don't trust any of them. They have proven to me over and over again they can't be trusted.
    I've learned from history that the biggest enemy of a Nation is its own government. Now if you are following politics you should understand by now that they are following an agenda which is to the detriment of our society. It's called globalism. The main objective of the EU is to destroy the sovereignty of all member states so we will become one Nation of Europeans. This is the first step to the NWO. You can ignore reality but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. As a MGHOW I'm unwilling to support any of these people. When I'm watching politics I have the urge to puke all over my place just by watching these spineless creatures.
    I am completely apolitical and I have serious problems to respect authorities. I'm aware of it and it had kept me out of trouble until now it won't last forever. The moment I'm with my back against the wall I'll stand and fight.

    MGTOW are a bunch of woman-haters

    That made me laugh. I don't hate women. I got two beautiful sisters which I love and the best mom ever. I'm a lucky guy under that point of view. I don't hate women I don't have a reason to. I'm not bitter. Never been married, no kids. I've never been through a traumatic experience like many men in the manosphere.
    I never got divorce raped and I never went through the meatgrinder. Thank god.
    But I observed my friends and family and it was already clear to me at a relatively young age that I would not go down that road. I was once again lucky . . . when I was young and dating, the social climate was way different. I pity young men.

    But what about all the nasty comments

    That's called the red pill rage. I've never been there so I can't comment. I rage for different reasons.

    MGTOW is receiving flak from everywhere the problem that most people have with us is that we are shooting back. That's what you don't like, don't you? MGTOW is not afraid to call a spade a spade and a cunt a cunt. If anybody has a problem with that, that's on you.

    Sometimes nasty comments are warranted because there are a lot of nasty people out there spouting bullshit about MGTOW without even knowing what they are talking about. We gonna rekt these people.


    Men are just as bad as women, many even worse

    I agree to a certain extent. There are a lot of men who are inherently bad but so are women. You're not born a criminal you become one. You become a bad person because in our society it's been incentivized. If you are an honorable man who can't be corrupted due to your steadfast values, ethics, and morals, the doors will be always closed for you. It is our choice. Bad men are raised when there is no male guidance around. A father teaches you stuff that won't be taught at school. Stop watching TV Hollywood and social media maybe you will gain your senses back . . . which I highly doubt will ever occur.

    Feminism . . .

    was never about equality. Feminism had two goals to achieve.

    First taxing the other half of the population

    . . . thus driving down labor prices drastically by doubling the workforce.

    Second to destroy the nuclear family.

    Both objectives have been achieved in my book. Case closed.

    SJWís and activists

    Results of brainwashing in our schools and university. The scary shit is some of these people will go into politics. I hope I'll be dead by then.

    Relationships

    I haven't found the right one yet. I'm chasing a unicorn. I know. I'm not asking for much. The only thing I ask in a woman "Please don't nag!" I know I'm asking the impossible so I put my mind to rest. I have come to adore the peace I have when I'm alone. The freedom I have is priceless. I do whatever I want . . . when I want, without having to justify anything to anyone. It's called nowadays MGTOW and I love it.

    The Education System

    I call them indoctrination centers. An SJW is a typical example of a human being that runs through it and becomes the most misguided, uninformed and delusional being this universe has ever witnessed.

    We are devolving as a species ignorance reigns rampant. There are lots of videos on Youtube which proves it as a fact. mankind is not civilized nor are we intelligent. Try to see it from this perspective and you will see the world with a completely new set of eyes. It will change your perception drastically.

    Under the radar

    I agree with jackoff here. In Italy, there will be a law enacted on 03/01/20 which will take away their right to privacy it will be extended very soon to all of Europe. Very few people know this. Most don't care.
    You gotta acknowledge things for what they are.

    The Media

    the MSM is comprised of people who are handsomely paid to lie for a living.
    That's just what it is. The dangerous thing is they are highly skilled in manipulating our perceptions and most sheep fall for that crap. I stopped watching TV in 1989. I just took it and threw it away. It was one of the smartest things I did in my life. If you are red-pilled beyond gender issues than you know to discern fake news from truthful news.

    Debating with those capable of reason

    That's why I come here. Most of the stuff I'm reading here resonates with my observation in life. We agree to disagree and standing our ground as long as logic and reason support it. I'm seeing around me and what I'm seeing is the idiocracy is real. This forum is just proof that I'm not the only one who perceives our system as dysfunctional to its core and I highly doubt that we can fix that. We have crossed the point of no return a long time ago.
    Just my 2 cents.

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    Re: Why do we post?

    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Born MGTOW View Post
    Under the radar

    I agree with jackoff here. In Italy, there will be a law enacted on 03/01/20 which will take away their right to privacy it will be extended very soon to all of Europe. Very few people know this. Most don't care.
    You gotta acknowledge things for what they are.
    Great post well said.

    Could I stray a little from the thread and ask you to elaborate a little on this new law as it will undoubtedly eventually affect us here in Ireland also?
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    Re: Why do we post?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Great post well said.

    Could I stray a little from the thread and ask you to elaborate a little on this new law as it will undoubtedly eventually affect us here in Ireland also?
    Hello Jackoff

    I'm currently unable to give you the info right away. I'll send the original link to the article this evening with a translation because it is written in Italian.
    I'll get back to you asap.
    Thanks

    p.s. Great thread
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