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    The portrayal of feminism in the new Borat movie

    You probably do not like Sasha Baron Cohen's politics. I do not either. I am not asking anybody to watch the movie.

    However, it is quite interesting that one of the major plot lines of the movie is Borat's daughter travelling with him to America, becoming indoctrinated into feminism, then infecting her native Kazakhstan with feminism by blackmailing a government official. The portrayal of feminism is complete ridicule, as seen throughout the entire ending:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ow1KIJVn48

    Also note that the daughter's evolution, started out the movie dirty, unkempt, living in a barn, then after spending time in America became a standard beauty/makeup social media influencer type, then finally the logical conclusion of feminism: the frowning lesbian look at the end.

    Could it be that liberal men are finally turning on feminists? History has shown that the bottom 80% of men will take a lot of shit, but that there are limits.

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    Re: The portrayal of feminism in the new Borat movie

    Yeah, I don't like his politics, but I've got to give him this much: He's brilliant at reducing everything to the absurd.

    If you're asking whether, as (apparently) a lib, SBC's got a gripe against feminism and is using the movie as a vehicle for that, honestly I don't know. When someone makes fun of everything, it's tough to drag the one thing out of that mess he's personally got a gripe against and say, "I found it." I'd say SBC's ultimate aim is to sell movie tickets and Netflix plays.

    Many months ago I read an opinion piece on Jordan Peterson's "12 Rules For Life." Wish I'd saved the link. He was trying to make sense of JP's conflicting views on Christianity and evolution, as well as on a few other matters I can't recall. Either the author or a commenter said, "Don't waste your time. His goal is to sell books."

    I mean, after all, the primary goal of any free enterprise "enterprise" is to stay in business and hopefully make some profit. (Government entities excepted, since their funding model is to suck on the population's collective tit.) If fame can be gotten along with money, sure, we'll take that, too, because these days "It's all about me."

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    Re: The portrayal of feminism in the new Borat movie

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    I'd say SBC's ultimate aim is to sell movie tickets and Netflix plays.
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    "Don't waste your time. His goal is to sell books."
    Fair points. However, it is worth noting how the movie was distributed. Amazon bought exclusive rights to distribute the movie (not sure how early they were in on it, if they financed from the very beginning or bought it from investors). BUT, they are not charging Prime members to view the movie, it is free to anybody with a subscription. So likely, Cohen and crew took a flat fee to sell the rights for a sequel whose predecessor was quite successful and lucrative in theaters, rather than charging per view and distributing on as many platforms as possible. Which inclines me to believe his motivation here is not money. Seems he also wants to influence the election, but Rudy is not running for office, so I do not see how the movie would accomplish that in any way. But Cohen certainly put his future ability to make money at risk by ridiculing a "protected class" and not portraying the utopian future feminists are selling us "if men would just stop oppressing women".

    The other interesting factor in the finances is Amazon, and whether they were in on it from the beginning. Did Jeff Bezos do the math, and figure out that he paid millions of dollars a pop for access to Mackenzie Bezos' mediocre hoo-haw? Chances are that she became an obnoxious feminist some time in the last 10 years, if not earlier. Is it possible that the wealthiest man in the world has taken the red pill and has an axe to grind?

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    Re: The portrayal of feminism in the new Borat movie

    That's good info (thanks!). I wasn't aware Amazon had exclusive rights. Since I'm suspicious by nature, I'm not going to disagree with your take on the motivations behind the movie or its timing. Anything's possible with these people.

    Swallowing the red pill would be a real dilemma for Bezos, a card-carrying lib. I'd think it would be like drinking Drano, or Superman shoving a lump of kryptonite up his own sewer pipe. I don't know... He could be so focused on money that he's not left with enough remaining mental bandwidth to decide which side of the BP/RP fence he's on, or moving toward. Money can become some people's heroin, to the exclusion of all else, especially self-awareness. I've worked for a few. Typically their hearts are iron and their souls are black. It's rather fascinating to watch.

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    Re: The portrayal of feminism in the new Borat movie

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Swallowing the red pill would be a real dilemma for Bezos, a card-carrying lib. I'd think it would be like drinking Drano, or Superman shoving a lump of kryptonite up his own sewer pipe. I don't know... He could be so focused on money that he's not left with enough remaining mental bandwidth to decide which side of the BP/RP fence he's on, or moving toward. Money can become some people's heroin, to the exclusion of all else, especially self-awareness. I've worked for a few. Typically their hearts are iron and their souls are black. It's rather fascinating to watch.
    Absolutely, money is perhaps the worst addiction there is, with sex in a close 2nd, and often the 2 cross paths. When I think about Bezos' situation, I think of how the richest man in the world traded in his mediocre looking and boring in every way 50 year old wife for a somewhat better looking but still 50 year old spicy latina. That's how you know women are only going for Chad these days, when THAT is the upgrade that the richest man in the world can pull off. I personally would be pissed about that if I were in his shoes

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    Re: The portrayal of feminism in the new Borat movie

    Quote Originally Posted by LizardPerson View Post
    Absolutely, money is perhaps the worst addiction there is, with sex in a close 2nd, and often the 2 cross paths. When I think about Bezos' situation, I think of how the richest man in the world traded in his mediocre looking and boring in every way 50 year old wife for a somewhat better looking but still 50 year old spicy latina. That's how you know women are only going for Chad these days, when THAT is the upgrade that the richest man in the world can pull off. I personally would be pissed about that if I were in his shoes
    You guys are right! Money is like heroin!

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    Re: The portrayal of feminism in the new Borat movie

    Quote Originally Posted by LizardPerson View Post
    Absolutely, money is perhaps the worst addiction there is, with sex in a close 2nd, and often the 2 cross paths. When I think about Bezos' situation, I think of how the richest man in the world traded in his mediocre looking and boring in every way 50 year old wife for a somewhat better looking but still 50 year old spicy latina. That's how you know women are only going for Chad these days, when THAT is the upgrade that the richest man in the world can pull off. I personally would be pissed about that if I were in his shoes
    Don't you believe it, I've made several upgrades to Asian women in their 30s when I was in my 50s, and I'm certainly not rich.
    But they don't keep their looks long, 5 years and it's time to move on ........ until I was too old to bother any more.

    Even if you're daft enough to believe in love, it doesn't last, and all the women I've met weren't really worth more than a year or two of my attention.
    Once they think they own you, the sex and attention becomes severely restricted.

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    Re: The portrayal of feminism in the new Borat movie

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWalton View Post
    Don't you believe it, I've made several upgrades to Asian women in their 30s when I was in my 50s, and I'm certainly not rich.
    But they don't keep their looks long, 5 years and it's time to move on ........ until I was too old to bother any more.

    Even if you're daft enough to believe in love, it doesn't last, and all the women I've met weren't really worth more than a year or two of my attention.
    Once they think they own you, the sex and attention becomes severely restricted.
    When it hit me, my mind realized you could line up all the pussy on earth, and still not one would give me satisfaction or peace of mind, instead all I saw was burden, drama, and grief, personified.

    Exposure to feminism and its cultural molestation now throughout all of society and saturated into law, has sealed the doorway to my inner workings, the key to my heart, and access to my soul. Surrounding this bastion of mine are the legislative minefields, trenches, rotting corpses, and stench of death from the war on men waged by women AKA Women's liberation.

    I say scuttling is better than surrendering and that's what I did, I scuttled a doomed fate! Plus plus, win win, the gender war created another ghost, and here I am, an aberration, when they reach out to touch, I'm gone in a puff of smoke!

    I can never go back, the un-comfort level cancels out any and all chance, I view them as enemy troops on a battlefield created by law.
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    Re: The portrayal of feminism in the new Borat movie

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Exposure to feminism and its cultural molestation now throughout all of society and saturated into law, has sealed the doorway to my inner workings, the key to my heart, and access to my soul. Surrounding this bastion of mine are the legislative minefields, trenches, rotting corpses, and stench of death from the war on men waged by women AKA Women's liberation.
    7000 years ago, men all over the world understood perfectly that women are simply overgrown children with a bit of street corner con-man mixed in, and they were treated accordingly. Now, any attempt to discipline one's wife gets one labelled an "abuser" and subject to ruination, no matter how badly she needs to be disciplined. I think about all of those simps being abused by their women (the ones that can even get one), and wonder how they can be so dumb as to fall for all of those female manipulations, and still believe that women are people just like men.

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    Re: The portrayal of feminism in the new Borat movie

    I was brought up back when the ideas of romance, women who need love and protection, and self-sacrifice for a well-intentioned spouse were still around. The movies and sitcoms were full of those themes. The current ones that portray that era often still are. So, learning well and living long, I had the opportunity to go through the transition from there to where the world is now. Oftentimes un-learning what one absorbs in youth can be a tough process; its roots have had time to reach deep into the ground and obtain a stranglehold.

    On one of Mr. Walton's points: Not too long ago I asked myself, "Was love actually genuine back then?" But I caught and corrected myself: It doesn't matter whether it was or wasn't, because it isn't now. (And it never will be, since societies de-evolve over time, rather than learn and self-correct.) People conflate love with lust. They're not the same. Love is just a mask that lust straps on to achieve its selfish ends, the same way Satan can present himself as an angel of light. What we have today is lust for attractive people of the opposite sex, lust for money, and lust for influence if not outright direct control. It begins with Day One of any relationship. Realizing that is crucial to dodging many of life's bullets and coming out the other end with your wallet and sanity intact, and your life in order.


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