Thread: One of the worst things to happen was..

• Birth control (pill)
• Feminism
• Sex toys

Let me spend a few paragraphs talking about this. Firstly, birth control. It has caused and continues to cause women to engage in casual sex. The problem with this, is that by its very nature, we create a society that doesn't hold any value in intimacy and sexual intercourse, which leads to un-wanted pregnancies, abortion, cheating, failed relationships, retrospective jealousy, lies, divorce... need I go on. The fact that women can sleep around without the consequences (of a baby at least) unlike hundreds of years ago, where women had to be more selective in a male partner/husband is a travesty of modern times.

Feminism, especially stuff from the 1960's onwards has caused women to believe that "men are trash" and men are "replaceable". I could give thousands of examples, but lets take Beyonce's song, "All the single ladies" - in the song, she preaches to "single ladies" saying "up in the club, just broke up" - suggesting women who have broken up should go to a club and immediately replace their ex boyfriend. Then it goes on to say: "I'm up on him, he's up on me" (talking about the new guy in the club. It follows this up with "ya can't be mad at me."

The song continues, "If you like it then you should have put a ring on it. Don't be mad when you see that he want it" - explicitly saying that she's rubbing it in her ex-boyfriend's face saying that a new man wants her and is going to marry her. The song goes on with more shit. It's one of the most toxic, disturbing songs I've heard in the mainstream when you delve deeper into the lyrics. There are hundreds, even thousands more songs like this. The irony? Beyonce is a happily married multi-millionaire and preaches this shit to people who have little to no money, are uneducated and look up to her... she's part of the problem.

Sex toys - women's sex toys - I've yet to meet a woman who doesn't own one. I've slept with around 20 women in my life and 100% of them owned a toy of some description. Each one of these women had exposed herself to sex toys, lube, porn, sleeping around etc etc Once a woman buys a sex toy, she's no longer a "pure" woman in my view. She's just another victim of feminism.

All of the above has led to women "realising" and "acting upon" their sexuality which was kept firmly in check by nature in the past - in the past they'd be careful who they slept with, society would ensure they didn't sleep around or they'd be branded a whore and outcast - but now feminism encourages this, hence why this all ties in to the feminism and the pill. Women in this day and age are more likely to be sex-obsessed, into feminism, into raw-sex (most women I've ever met don't use condoms and only use the pill). The days of a virgin beyond the age of 18 are well and truly gone. Women say - "where have all the good men gone?" when they hit their 30's, whereas men say "where are all the good women?" at the age of 18.

Originally Posted by mgtoe

• Birth control (pill)
• Feminism
• Sex toys

Let me spend a few paragraphs talking about this. Firstly, birth control. It has caused and continues to cause women to engage in casual sex. The problem with this, is that by its very nature, we create a society that doesn't hold any value in intimacy and sexual intercourse, which leads to un-wanted pregnancies, abortion, cheating, failed relationships, retrospective jealousy, lies, divorce... need I go on. The fact that women can sleep around without the consequences (of a baby at least) unlike hundreds of years ago, where women had to be more selective in a male partner/husband is a travesty of modern times.

Feminism, especially stuff from the 1960's onwards has caused women to believe that "men are trash" and men are "replaceable". I could give thousands of examples, but lets take Beyonce's song, "All the single ladies" - in the song, she preaches to "single ladies" saying "up in the club, just broke up" - suggesting women who have broken up should go to a club and immediately replace their ex boyfriend. Then it goes on to say: "I'm up on him, he's up on me" (talking about the new guy in the club. It follows this up with "ya can't be mad at me."

The song continues, "If you like it then you should have put a ring on it. Don't be mad when you see that he want it" - explicitly saying that she's rubbing it in her ex-boyfriend's face saying that a new man wants her and is going to marry her. The song goes on with more shit. It's one of the most toxic, disturbing songs I've heard in the mainstream when you delve deeper into the lyrics. There are hundreds, even thousands more songs like this. The irony? Beyonce is a happily married multi-millionaire and preaches this shit to people who have little to no money, are uneducated and look up to her... she's part of the problem.

Sex toys - women's sex toys - I've yet to meet a woman who doesn't own one. I've slept with around 20 women in my life and 100% of them owned a toy of some description. Each one of these women had exposed herself to sex toys, lube, porn, sleeping around etc etc Once a woman buys a sex toy, she's no longer a "pure" woman in my view. She's just another victim of feminism.

All of the above has led to women "realising" and "acting upon" their sexuality which was kept firmly in check by nature in the past - in the past they'd be careful who they slept with, society would ensure they didn't sleep around or they'd be branded a whore and outcast - but now feminism encourages this, hence why this all ties in to the feminism and the pill. Women in this day and age are more likely to be sex-obsessed, into feminism, into raw-sex (most women I've ever met don't use condoms and only use the pill). The days of a virgin beyond the age of 18 are well and truly gone. Women say - "where have all the good men gone?" when they hit their 30's, whereas men say "where are all the good women?" at the age of 18.

Especially feminism. The nuclear family could have survived birth control, and it could even have helped it. Instead of having 14 kids in a lifetime, you could choose the number. Maybe they only want 3 or 4. And thus they're not burdened on resources with so many. People used to need large families because various infectious diseases would kill off maybe half of a family's kids. Nowadays such diseases are less of a threat than they used to be. Women's sex toys also need not have destroyed families. They would have been less popular if people had stayed more traditional, and their mere existence would not have destroyed the family unit.

It's feminism that is the cancer. Feminism has made absurd demands on men. It's demanded that the male sexuality that has evolved over millions of years be changed for their convenience. It has fostered resentment among women that the woman must carry and bear the child, something that no man set up. It simply evolved that way. Men's preference for younger women is also due to evolution. The fact that men prefer the most fertile and healthy women is just part of evolutionary survival. Monogamy helped women in that it was customary for a man to stay with the same mate, even as she aged and became less desirable. Feminism lies to women, telling them they're just as attractive in their 40s, 50s, and even beyond. It's simply a reality that they're not. However, if a woman could lock in a good man when she's young and at peak attractiveness, they could pair bond, and his loyalty could implement itself, overriding his instinct to dump her when she gets older. Feminism encouraged women to treat their husbands like shit. Then when he's finally had enough, he dumps his 40-year-old nagging, hateful feminist and gets with a young woman if he has the status to be able to attract one. Of course, the feminists blame it on the so-called "patriarchy" instead of taking responsibility for how they've alienated men.

Tig - I always get a lot out of your posts - even when I disagree with your POV (usually politics, but it's all good!).

This is one of the best though - thanks for the succinct insights. It's great how you see that modernity/progressiveness etc in and of themselves aren't a bad thing, provided some proven historical/traditional approaches grounded in millennia's worth of evidence are adhered to.

It's a great approach to life overall actually.

Originally Posted by KRFJames

Tig - I always get a lot out of your posts - even when I disagree with your POV (usually politics, but it's all good!).

This is one of the best though - thanks for the succinct insights. It's great how you see that modernity/progressiveness etc in and of themselves aren't a bad thing, provided some proven historical/traditional approaches grounded in millennia's worth of evidence are adhered to.

It's a great approach to life overall actually.

Thanks, I appreciate your comments. We don't have to agree on every single point, especially political ones. We choose to honor each other and to be respectful, unlike so many fools today who just bash one another. In feminism, it's the exact opposite. Anyone who doesn't adhere 100 percent to their dogma is an outcast. Just look how they treated their own, for example, Cassie Jaye and Lacey Green.

Because we respect each other, we can at least listen to and consider another person's point of view. We're also totally debunking feminism's simplistic labeling of MGTOW. They branded us with a simplistic label: We're supposedly alt-right misogynists. It's nonsense. While many of us are on the right, others, such as myself, are not. I'm mostly left of center, but I reject the parts of the progressive movement that I consider foolish, such as how dogmatic they get over the whole woke shit. But that's another story.

I hate to break the news.... Pandora's Box is open. No matter what went wrong and when, it is never going back into that box... Time to suck it up and study Red Pill Truths.

If you think things were all good in days gone by, it was only the TV shows like played it like that... Human nature has not changed since the stone age. Females have always chased Chad and rooted "Bad Boys", the history books even tell us this. Kings and high-ranking clergy had lots of women (mistresses), that's called Hypergamy, wanting the top male... No birth control means the Bad Boys child is just another in the family... Women still had affairs. Briffault's Law? She couldn't just divorce the lazy husband, she couldn't leave, but she could cook him a really nice meal (it would be his last one anyway) and then she would be a widow...

AWALT and have been for thousands of years... You will never change them; evolution has made them that way for a reason.

Yes, the modern laws for men, when it's divorce rape time, suck.

Birth Control: No more reason for a shotgun wedding.
Feminism: Switched the light on so you can see the Nutters now... It's here to stay.
Sex Toys: Doesn't really matter, masturbation has always been practiced by both sexes.

Time to learn some RP truths... The happy marriage with a loving wife that lasts for as long as you live, is a lie, and always has been. This is the "Disney Dream" one of the biggest lies to get men and women to pair up and have kids and pay taxes and support the economy. Do not ever think this is achievable!!!! Female nature will always prove "She's not yours it only your turn"

Originally Posted by RustyNuts

I hate to break the news.... Pandora's Box is open. No matter what went wrong and when, it is never going back into that box... Time to suck it up and study Red Pill Truths.

If you think things were all good in days gone by, it was only the TV shows like played it like that... Human nature has not changed since the stone age. Females have always chased Chad and rooted "Bad Boys", the history books even tell us this. Kings and high-ranking clergy had lots of women (mistresses), that's called Hypergamy, wanting the top male... No birth control means the Bad Boys child is just another in the family... Women still had affairs. Briffault's Law? She couldn't just divorce the lazy husband, she couldn't leave, but she could cook him a really nice meal (it would be his last one anyway) and then she would be a widow...

AWALT and have been for thousands of years... You will never change them; evolution has made them that way for a reason.

Yes, the modern laws for men, when it's divorce rape time, suck.

Birth Control: No more reason for a shotgun wedding.
Feminism: Switched the light on so you can see the Nutters now... It's here to stay.
Sex Toys: Doesn't really matter, masturbation has always been practiced by both sexes.

Time to learn some RP truths... The happy marriage with a loving wife that lasts for as long as you live, is a lie, and always has been. This is the "Disney Dream" one of the biggest lies to get men and women to pair up and have kids and pay taxes and support the economy. Do not ever think this is achievable!!!! Female nature will always prove "She's not yours it only your turn"

Human nature hasn't changed, but previous customs used to keep hypergamy in check, at least much of the time. Not always. We men have violent instincts, but those are kept in check by our customs and rules. I felt like beating the crap out of the douchebag who drove like crap and then honked at me, but doing that could cause me to give up several years of freedom. It used to be that if a woman behaved like the town bike, she was not respected, and it was next to impossible for her to get a good husband. Women who saved themselves for marriage, or at least who had minimal sex before marriage, could have the benefit of a husband who would stick with her for life, overriding his own instincts to dump her when she got old. Today we've got the "no slut shaming" bullshit. They've given a negative name to the preference to have a woman who didn't use herself up fucking every man in town. Men have an instinct not to try to pair with a woman who has banged 4,378 men, 254 women, and one German Shepherd.

You're probably right that we can't return to the previous rules and customs. We can, however, adapt, and that's what MGTOW is. Feminism is destined to fail because the feminists keep demanding shit that's unsustainable. There's no way they'll convince most men to marry obese and disgusting blobs. Obese and gross women will continue to be rejected as mates by men. Plus, they'll be sickly due to the inherent unhealthy results of obesity. If some dudes do yield to feminism by marrying blobs, they probably won't stick around, or they be outrage at how our divorce laws treat them. As time goes on, more and more men will realize what a scam marriage is, and they don't even need to read up online about MGTOW to realize this. The result will be a lower and lower birth rate until humans either go extinct or some type of new system takes over. It may not be identical to the traditional system of years' past, but any system that doesn't value women devoting their fertile years to reproduction is bound to fail.

By the time the new system takes hold, we'll all probably be dead and gone. The very youngest among us might see this happen as old men. So what we're left with is adapting, and finding a way to build great lives for ourselves while we witness the gynocracy slowly crumble and burn.

Totally right. I have thought about this especially birth control

Being that beyonce is married, and women sheepishly follow her lyrics, says that she's playing the game. She has a new song out called "Church Girl" in which she says:

"I'm warning everybody, soon as I get in this party
I'm gon' let go of this body, I'm gonna love on me
Nobody can judge me but me, I was born free

I'll drop it like a thotty, drop it like a thotty"

......

Its none of our business what women do for their own amusement.

Its a problem when they use the courts to rob men of our resources.

Originally Posted by TigPlaze

Human nature hasn't changed, but previous customs used to keep hypergamy in check, at least much of the time. Not always. We men have violent instincts, but those are kept in check by our customs and rules. I felt like beating the crap out of the douchebag who drove like crap and then honked at me, but doing that could cause me to give up several years of freedom. It used to be that if a woman behaved like the town bike, she was not respected, and it was next to impossible for her to get a good husband. Women who saved themselves for marriage, or at least who had minimal sex before marriage, could have the benefit of a husband who would stick with her for life, overriding his own instincts to dump her when she got old. Today we've got the "no slut shaming" bullshit. They've given a negative name to the preference to have a woman who didn't use herself up fucking every man in town. Men have an instinct not to try to pair with a woman who has banged 4,378 men, 254 women, and one German Shepherd.

I think you are talking about a very small section of the female population likely the upper class "Ladies" or what their husbands wanted them to be like... The husbands were the ones writing about what life was like and not wanting to look like fools....

Like I said, female nature has not changed in thousands of years...

The floating brothel: The most scandalous convict ship of all - NZ Herald

I first read a story about this a while ago. This has got female nature dripping off nearly every line..
At the time there would only be two classes, upper and lower and the largest part of the population would have been lower class. These "Girls" would likely be the worst of the worst, but the best wouldn't have been much better.

The Leave it to Beaver, Mrs. Cleaver type woman out of the 1960's -70's TV shows are fictional... They were NOT the normal housewife at any point in history...

Feminism has not destroyed women, female nature has not changed in millions of years, they have always been like they are now. The men writing what life was like didn't want to look like fools so they painted women as innocent goddesses... More lies.

Yes, your mother, your grandmother and every other woman in your (and everyone else's) family has/had the same female nature that today's women have... AWALT, they are all the same!!! She lusted after the local "Bad Boy" also, maybe she couldn't act on it (maybe she did), but she got wet over him...

Rusty is 100% correct.

"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" "Who watches the watchmen?" "The phrase, as it is normally quoted in Latin, comes from the Satires of Juvenal, the 1st–2nd century Roman satirist. Although in its modern usage the phrase has universal, timeless applications to concepts such as tyrannical governments, uncontrollably oppressive dictatorships, and police or judicial corruption and overreach, in context within Juvenal's poem it refers to the impossibility of enforcing moral behaviour on women..." ""I hear always the admonishment of my friends: "Bolt her in, constrain her!" But who will guard the guardians? The wife plans ahead and begins with them. "

There were no birth control pills in the 1st century.
There was no feminism.
No vibrators.

Women evolved into being sluts, because that's what gives their genes the best chances.
Even the women you feel respect for - your mother, your grandma, the deeply religious nurse that spent her life helping invalids - they ALL lust for the bad boy, dream of him filling up their spread-out form...

It is their nature.

Whether it is 'kept in check' through societal norms or not, is irrelevant.
It basically just meant that in the past, women were very careful to keep things under wraps - so most fathers raised one or two bastards without knowing.

And to be clear, our nature is abysmal too - nice boobs, firm buttocks? GO, DOG, GO.
We evolved in just as animalistic a way as women did.

The decision to fight our nature - to see the animal within for what it is, and fight it, and stay free - is the same decision taken by philosophers and holy men in the ancient times...
It has nothing to do with women, and everything to do with us being honest with ourselves, with reality.

You can choose to go your own way, because the modern woman "burned" you.

But it's far superior to go your own way because you see reality for what it is.
And to choose the same path of freedom, whether you live in the age of vibrating dildos and over-stretched snatches, or the age of Victorian pseudo-prudes.

If they didn't have sex toys, they had hairbrush handles and cucumbers.

Much comedy is made out of the things Young Guys will use. It works the other way, too - and always has.

There's a reason those posters are on the ceiling above the bed. And a reason their posters change from Good Guy Next Door (think Teenybopper mags or Backstreet Boys) to Thugs (2Pac) around age 16.

Interestingly, our posters feature the same basic features as long as we have them!

I sorta have this obviously unproven thought that sex toys brought into a relationship are a sign that things are moving down hill instead of uphill. The couple is looking for something to add spice to their relationship…the connection and passion that made “regular” sex so good for them isn’t there anymore. Cheating could be just around the corner if not already there. And there’s something that rubs me wrong about a woman in a relationship going to sex toy parties. When you think about, if a couple plans to be together for 2, 3, 4+ decades, they probably need to make vanilla sex work at getting them off for long long time.

For me it was Psycho Bitch, 1982

Originally Posted by Edwardhaskell

I sorta have this obviously unproven thought that sex toys brought into a relationship are a sign that things are moving down hill instead of uphill.

I look at it like tools for the job... You can cut your grass by pulling and ripping out by hand or you can put fuel in the lawn mower and get the job done so much easier and quicker... I would think the sense of accomplishment would be higher doing it by hand, but using a lawn mower brings the quality up a few notches... Edgers, whipper snippers etc are just more toys bringing the quality higher still.