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    On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    Knowing what I know about gender Dynamics and the overall destiny of our once great Western Civilization, I can't help but wonder at times if I'm losing touch with the human condition. There are occasions more and more now where I feel like Dr Manhattan from Watchmen-gradually losing touch with even the basic faults of humanity.

    The realization hit when I observed a rather smart grasshopper hitching a ride on my car windshield this morning. Since I was on my way to work, I realized I had more respect for that grasshopper then I do my own, human compatriots. Three of my immediate coworkers are females, and so predictable and banal that watching paint dry in Somalia holds more charm then their presence.

    Even the men I know seemingly have succumbed to the base instincts of life. My close friend has all but given himself to pussy despite knowing the risks. Few men around haven't repeated his mistake, which makes respecting others somewhat tough. I used to wonder why it was that cops could be such jerks, but now I get it..... When you see people continually fucking themselves over in the stupidest of ways over and over, you just want to check out.

    Amazing how knowledge can set you free, not just from the chains of ignorance and your own fault, but even from the human condition itself in some ways.

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    Re: On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    The red pill does come with a strong dose of misanthropy.

    I think RP comes close to being Kane in Kung Fu .... you travel through the world but you are no longer of it.
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    Re: On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    My own 2c on this subject

    Breaking free of the Matrix does require a fair degree of mental fortitude as the foibles and base desires of the human condition become glaringly apparent, thus causing disgust with the disconnect between what is observed and one's own principles.

    i've found that the uncoupling from mass culture is a common theme in MGTOW circles and a wearied resignation needs to be cultivated to accept the foolishness of many folk.

    i don't want to be a hermit but sometimes I feel I will go truly insane if I don't insulate myself from some of the rank stupidity I run across every day.
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    Re: On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    This is an excellent observation.

    I wonder if it comes easier for the ISTP personality type, who is naturally inclined in that direction anyway.

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    Re: On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    ...I wonder if it comes easier for the ISTP personality type, who is naturally inclined in that direction anyway.
    Seemingly, there is a strong correlation between MGTOW and INTJ - an even stronger inclination, methinks.
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    Re: On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    Agreed.

    I think there is a strong correlation to the entire introverted thinking spectrum! Perhaps with the exception of the ISTJs.

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    Re: On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian View Post
    Knowing what I know about gender Dynamics and the overall destiny of our once great Western Civilization, I can't help but wonder at times if I'm losing touch with the human condition. There are occasions more and more now where I feel like Dr Manhattan from Watchmen-gradually losing touch with even the basic faults of humanity.

    The realization hit when I observed a rather smart grasshopper hitching a ride on my car windshield this morning. Since I was on my way to work, I realized I had more respect for that grasshopper then I do my own, human compatriots. Three of my immediate coworkers are females, and so predictable and banal that watching paint dry in Somalia holds more charm then their presence.

    Even the men I know seemingly have succumbed to the base instincts of life. My close friend has all but given himself to pussy despite knowing the risks. Few men around haven't repeated his mistake, which makes respecting others somewhat tough. I used to wonder why it was that cops could be such jerks, but now I get it..... When you see people continually fucking themselves over in the stupidest of ways over and over, you just want to check out.

    Amazing how knowledge can set you free, not just from the chains of ignorance and your own fault, but even from the human condition itself in some ways.

    Sounds like you're approaching the Stoic type of life, where you remove the repitilian reactions that reside in our mind from years of evolution, replaced with the higher functioning logical mind. The big part is that you're using the "higher mind" to actually see things from a more objective eye vs. deploying it for your own devices (what women/others do to manipulate others).

    If you really look at life from a top down perspective, where you see humans as another form of bacteria, you start to understand how we're still just animals. Sure, we think we're advanced, but that's only because we compare ourselves to creatures with man-made metrics that see things from a short term perspective (single generational impact vs. multi-generational impact). Much like the quote about how the winner writes the history books. Majority of individuals have a hard time overcoming their ego to admit that humans, even with our insights and brilliance, are pretty irresponsible and destructive when left to our own devices.

    I found that it led me to the "what now" question. Instead of pointing at the circus and spending time looking at the insanity, I think the better thing to do would be to remove yourself from the outcome. Like what George Carlin said, become outcome independent.

    It is certainly interesting times that we live in. Amazing technological advances, exploration of new frontiers in space and in the medical industry. But at the same time, we're seeing a slow devolution of social structure (nuclear family), watershed moments for Americans realizing we're not this glorious nation that we were raised to think it was (although it still is a pretty awesome country compared to others)...that's what comes to mind for me. A growing schism in wealth, in intelligence, in rational thought.

    Maybe it's because societies can only be so large before they begin to collapse (Watch for China's real estate bubble to mimic our own), or just because rational individuals are full of doubts, while irrational people are full of irrational confidence, allowing them to somehow get into office.

    Anyways, it's all good. Feels pretty good to not be stuck in a marriage and escaping those traps...so far.
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    Re: On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian View Post
    Knowing what I know about gender Dynamics and the overall destiny of our once great Western Civilization, I can't help but wonder at times if I'm losing touch with the human condition. There are occasions more and more now where I feel like Dr Manhattan from Watchmen-gradually losing touch with even the basic faults of humanity.

    The realization hit when I observed a rather smart grasshopper hitching a ride on my car windshield this morning. Since I was on my way to work, I realized I had more respect for that grasshopper then I do my own, human compatriots. Three of my immediate coworkers are females, and so predictable and banal that watching paint dry in Somalia holds more charm then their presence.

    Even the men I know seemingly have succumbed to the base instincts of life. My close friend has all but given himself to pussy despite knowing the risks. Few men around haven't repeated his mistake, which makes respecting others somewhat tough. I used to wonder why it was that cops could be such jerks, but now I get it..... When you see people continually fucking themselves over in the stupidest of ways over and over, you just want to check out.

    Amazing how knowledge can set you free, not just from the chains of ignorance and your own fault, but even from the human condition itself in some ways.
    I can relate. I lost the ability to sympathize with the vast majority of people several years ago. My negative experiences with the selfishness and greed of both twats and Corporate America removed any shred of idealism or nobility that I once possessed. Simply stated, I've lost touch with humanity. Most people, male or female, could be on fire on the side of the street and I wouldn't stop to piss on them to extinguish the flames. I've realized exactly how little women and corporations care for my safety and well-being, so I don't give a flying fuck about them either. I'm out for me, and only me.

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    Re: On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    I like to help people if I can. Might need some help myself some day, and it makes me feel like I'm a better person. But ya, I gave up on humanity long ago. When I was a kid I used to wonder why I felt more at home in the woods than I did in a shopping mall. But I dont no more.

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    I am grateful for some # of people being mentally lazy. I rely on people to wash my car, clean my apartment, make my food. How would any of these people do the job they do if they paid attention in school, or busted their ass at work, I have no idea. The "bread & circus enthusiasts" are necessary for me to enjoy basically a work-free life outside of work. My escorts would not be plying their trade if they made good decisions earlier on in life.

    I try to take everything in stride. If there were more demand for books like "God & Gold", the price would be double. If everyone saw through the matrix, how would humanity continue; some blue pill schlub needs to be the modern twat's servant in raising the next generation. If everyone made wise decisions, the cost of labor would skyrocket.

    I give credit to the dim bulbs and blue pillers for doing the things the rest of us don't want to do. I don't think my brother has had a full night of sleep in the last two years with his kids. His choice. Those on the conveyor belt of life are creating the next set of work-slaves, the future tax-payers, the future line cooks, etc. all at the expense of their life and well-being. God Bless Them.

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    Re: On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    Pretty much. You know you're not really part of the group anymore when you watch somebody hurt themselves and just roll your eyes instead of being overcome with sympathy. That's pretty much what happens, though, after years of the same thing over and over again. What really galls me personally is how people simply refuse to learn from their own mistakes. Let's forget for a minute learning from the experiences of others. What of suffering and then following the same path to the exact same suffering all over again? I know people right now who are like that and I have to wonder seriously, in all honesty...what the fuck is wrong with you?

    But I don't wonder that anywhere near as often as I used to. Now I just shrug and read a book. Right now I'm getting into one called Caliban's War, the sequel to Leviathan Wakes. Sci-fi type stuff. It's worth a read if you're into that sort of thing.

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    Re: On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    Quote Originally Posted by secularscientist View Post
    I've realized exactly how little women and corporations care for my safety and well-being, so I don't give a flying fuck about them either. I'm out for me, and only me.
    Words to live by, brother. WHY would one want to sacrifice their own life for a society that could care less about them? People need to THINK more. ASK QUESTIONS about the mainstream ideas that society throws at all of us. In my blue pill days I took better care of my sick mother-in-law than her own worthless parasite kids did.

    What did I get for it? Nada. Focus on your OWN happiness, brothers.





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    I know a guy in Asia who is self-destructing at an alarming rate. Nothing I can do about it though. He HAD a good job working on ships in the U.S. with MONTHS off at a time and money in his pocket. He left all of that to go to Asia where he now works with no work permit, teaches EFL, no savings and no future. Smokes weed and screws as many women with NO PROTECTION as he can.

    He lives ONLY to get stoned, and screw...with NO PROTECTION. Not sure why he didn't go there on his months off and he wouldn't have to work. Live like a king for three months at a time and then go back and work on a ship again for 3 or 4 months. I have learned that you really can't help people like that.





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    Re: On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    I am grateful for some # of people being mentally lazy. I rely on people to wash my car, clean my apartment, make my food. How would any of these people do the job they do if they paid attention in school, or busted their ass at work, I have no idea. The "bread & circus enthusiasts" are necessary for me to enjoy basically a work-free life outside of work. My escorts would not be plying their trade if they made good decisions earlier on in life.

    I try to take everything in stride. If there were more demand for books like "God & Gold", the price would be double. If everyone saw through the matrix, how would humanity continue; some blue pill schlub needs to be the modern twat's servant in raising the next generation. If everyone made wise decisions, the cost of labor would skyrocket.

    I give credit to the dim bulbs and blue pillers for doing the things the rest of us don't want to do. I don't think my brother has had a full night of sleep in the last two years with his kids. His choice. Those on the conveyor belt of life are creating the next set of work-slaves, the future tax-payers, the future line cooks, etc. all at the expense of their life and well-being. God Bless Them.
    I could never have articulated this as well as you just did Jag. We live in a classed society. I support class mobility and meritocracy, but inherent in such a premise I also have to support the notion that some (many) people are going to wind up losers. Thankfully.
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    Re: On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    I agree with the OP's point about being like Doc Manhattan. I feel like this every day at work and in my personal life. I'm tired of being the only guy who sees the logical ending to things well before everyone else does. I'm tired of dealing with complaining imbeciles who dont read the product they purchase that is supposed to cover their most important assets, then bitch later when they dont have that coverage because they wanted to save money, tired of the hoity toitty "Doctors" that have that "Ill take my ball home from MY sandbox" mentality and act like complete children.... I'm tired of the same old females doing the same old shit, its all patterned and predictable....it gets old fast. I do not feel I am of this world at all, and in truth I dont know what will satiate this all...just leave it all behind and quit this life maybe? I'm not sure...
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    Re: On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel like I have literally nothing interesting or important to say to another human being in real life, but can read and post on internet forums for hours. Anyone who isn't constantly plugged into their iJunk can look around and see how alienated we are in the first world.

    With those who've shared your MBTI, I have in common with you introverted thinking; INTP. With this type of personality, as well as my diagnosis of mild Apserger's syndrome, it seems utterly futile to try to share perspective with people and to be understood, and well as difficult to put myself in other's shoes. I guess the internet is the only place where extremely head oriented people like me can gather to share ideas and relate to one another.

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    Re: On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    Agreed. Also the case that the Asperger groups on Facebook are often the only place for rational and intelligent debate as well..

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    Re: On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    ENTJ here .... and loving being slightly detached but still meeting and greeting.
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    Re: On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    Quote Originally Posted by boz View Post
    I feel like I have literally nothing interesting or important to say to another human being in real life.
    Right there with you. People seem to be pretty trashy these days anyway. Why bother?





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    Re: On Losing Touch with Humanity.

    Quote Originally Posted by boz View Post
    I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel like I have literally nothing interesting or important to say to another human being in real life, but can read and post on internet forums for hours.
    Definitely me in a nutshell.
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