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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    Quote Originally Posted by Toolband89 View Post
    We're all so desperate to get our dicks wet that me must go worship at the altar of therapy to become the men women will tolerate just so we can satisfy our primal urges.

    At least that's the message the media has been pushing for years.
    MGTOW psychotherapist, right here on this site that is disgusted with that manipulative and disingenuous narrative.

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

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    Feel free to pick this apart gentlemen

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...ely-single-men
    Challenge accepted!

    Dating opportunities for heterosexual men are diminishing as relationship standards rise.

    Notice the cunning use of the passive voice to avoid saying that women are raising the standards, and excluding more and more perfectly dateable average men who would have been good enough for the previous generations of women. It is framed this way so that "relationship standards rising" becomes something that cannot be thought about or questioned.

    Men represent approximately 62% of dating app users, lowering their chances for matches.

    Another statement that seems logically correct on the surface. More men than women means men have less chance of getting matches, right? Well, that ignores the fact that women will always get more matches even if they were 80% of the users. They would gravitate towards a small fraction of the 20% of male users because of hypergamy. Most men on any dating app won't get much attention and will therefore try the shotgun approach. Women always have and always will shoot for the highest value men in the group. This is why, in all of human history, that most men did not get to reproduce and a few men at the top of the food chain got many of the women.

    So this statement is a way of discounting hypergamy and making it seem like the dynamics of pair bonding are governed by supply and demand.

    Men need to address skills deficits to meet healthier relationship expectations.

    Which skills? Can we be specific? Where is the proof that these 'deficits' exist? Oh no, there isn't any evidence because there isn't any data that any of this exists, of course. Furthermore, "healthier relationship expectations" is worth breaking down. It is sneakily gynocentric. Again, the use of the passive voice to avoid saying "women's expectations". Framing it in this way sneakily slips past the conscious mind the writer's bias that women's expectations are inherently "healthier" and men's expectations, whatever they may be, are inherently 'less healthy', or in some cases 'toxic'.
    The fact is that people enter relationships and people have expectations of what they hope that relationship will be. That's it. Sticking the word 'healthier' in front of it is an underhand way of saying that women are pure and anything that they want, is healthy. A gold digging female has healthy expectations simply because she is not a man.

    That's just the opening bullet points!

    I hear recurring dating themes from women between the ages of 25 and 45: They prefer men who are emotionally available, good communicators, and share similar values.

    This guy has no clue about the fact that what women say they want and what they actually go for are two separate things. He has swallowed the female narrative hook, line and sinker when they turn up on his live Tik Tok show and tell him over and over that "there are no decent men out there".

    What is a grown adult man doing with a live Tik Tok show anyway? And what does it say about the kind of woman who logs in to a live Tik Tok show to bleat about their dating woes.

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

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    I hear recurring dating themes from women between the ages of 25 and 45: They prefer men who are emotionally available, good communicators, and share similar values.

    I love this one, haha. We know it's generally false. Of course there is the rare woman who is actually looking for these traits, but we all know that women are, on average, driven by emotion and stimulation. I'll give you a perfect example that I know is happening right now. There's a highly intelligent, very successful professional girl, mid 30s. Attractive, personable and surprisingly humble for her background. Catholic education, conservative, non divorced parents and an ivy league higher education. Well traveled, etc, the works. Who is she hanging around with? A loser from her hometown with a high school education. Why? He's a master manipulator. He knows how to push women's buttons, and she just can't keep herself away.

    Her brother has told me that he's confronted the guy, asked him to stay away, etc, all to no avail. Her parents have begged her to end the relationship, especially since this guy has also admitted to having other girls on the side and she's busted him several times. But nope, he's got her wrapped around his finger. My sister had a similar story. Same deal, similar background to girl #1. Was dating some guy for a while, pushed to be exclusive and kept seeing him even when he admitted to seeing other girls, despite the disappointment. Eventually he was the one that ended things with her.

    Why do we see this time and time again? Some guys just know how to keep women on the emotional roller coaster. In my own dating prime, I quickly figured out that letting my girlfriends throw hissy fits, ignoring them until they came back down to Earth and then having make up sex seemed to keep them happy. Ever wonder why women seem to be able to pick a fight out of nowhere? They get bored, so they feel the need to rock the boat.

    So, I think it's safe to say there's a HUGE disconnect between what women say and what women do.

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    The article has gone viral these past few days. Seems they're trying to delay the inevitable by putting the blame on men as usual, but I'm afraid shaming won't work.

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    The best way to live is alone. The best way to have a relationship, (assuming you even want one) is for both people to have their own separate residences and meet only when they feel like it. That and never getting married or having kids is how you stay free. Nearly everything else is some kind of parasitism or mistaken attempt to live up to societal expectations with which we are brainwashed with from an early age. No other person can complete you and they will always have competing and incompatible desires. The way to be truly happy is self actualization. The fastest way to that is walking the path alone.

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSilverShade View Post
    The article has gone viral these past few days. Seems they're trying to delay the inevitable by putting the blame on men as usual, but I'm afraid shaming won't work.
    Anyone on this forum is welcome to copy and paste my post above which deconstructs the opening bullet points of that article. Paste it anywhere you see that article that has a comment section or a forum. I edited it to remove the swear for that purpose.

    Shaming won't work on us. Others might need some help to think critically about articles posted by experts that are far less objective than they appear.

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jadedoldman65 View Post
    Take a man who has a good job, was born with good genes for health, exercises regularly, watches what he eats, goes to the doctor for regular checkups, etc. He's going to be more attractive to women compared to a guy who works a minimum wage job, smokes a pack and drinks a six pack each day. The chances that an attractive woman is going to want to marry the first guy is much higher than the second.
    More succinctly: married men are happier on average because women marry winners.

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    More succinctly: married men are happier on average because women marry winners.
    Brad Pitt to Bill Gates apparently don't think so.

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    Quote Originally Posted by Toolband89 View Post
    . I'll give you a perfect example that I know is happening right now. There's a highly intelligent, very successful professional girl, mid 30s. Attractive, personable and surprisingly humble for her background. Catholic education, conservative, non divorced parents and an ivy league higher education. Well traveled, etc, the works. Who is she hanging around with? A loser from her hometown with a high school education. Why? He's a master manipulator. He knows how to push women's buttons, and she just can't keep herself away.
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    It's a great example because this is becoming a typical situation. Women are picking up the college degrees and other symbols of supposed success in the modern world. Yet below the surface of the successful woman is a babbling idiot that can be activated by whoever/whatever knows how to push the buttons.

    An evolutionary spin can be put on the situation. Mother nature doesn't give a crap about college degrees, travel, professional jobs. All that matters is survival and reproduction. A woman in her 30's may have all the badges of conventional modern success, but she's a failure if she hasn't reproduced. The clock is ticking. She needs to get down to business. The bad boy who pushes the right buttons gets her past the dilemma of choice. She'll finally reproduce in her 30's, and her genes will get passed on.

    Nearly every woman I've ever known has her own set of impulse control issues. It's obvious food pushes the buttons for many women, which is why we're seeing an epidemic of obesity. For others it's consumer goods. For instance, a single woman I know currently has the college degree and a professional job. But she can't control the impulse to spend money. An opportunity to buy instantly deactivates the intellectual parts of her mind, and she goes home with another carload of crap. She's heading toward bankruptcy and still can't stop spending. When the intellect is in control, she knows exactly what is going on. She'll make plans to budget, avoid sales, and so on. A day later she's waiting in line at a store.

    Now in the 21st century as it has become politically incorrect to question anything about women's behavior, impulse control problems are running rampant. It's great for the consumer system, not so great for anybody who tries to have an ongoing relationship with impulse driven women.

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    I just realized something, the reason the article author is shaming men to get in relationships is because if a man spend to much time alone they will began to enjoy that solitude and will opt to stay by themselves, which means the lost of resources for Women and businesses.

    We are ready seeing the deaths of many simping/coupled based industries like jewelry stores and baby stores do to low marriage and birth rates.

    If too many men opt to stay single or uncommitted they won't spend as much money which means bad news for businesses which they are trying to put a stop men disengaging with women.

    Unfortunately for them, every single society that went down this route(unrestricted, responsible-free sex for women and chads) had never recovered to it's former glory.

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    Quote Originally Posted by FangBlade View Post
    I just realized something, the reason the article author is shaming men to get in relationships is because if a man spend to much time alone they will began to enjoy that solitude and will opt to stay by themselves, which means the lost of resources for Women and businesses.
    I think the author is just joining in the trend of dumping on men. It's fashionable, encouraged and highly expected in the media today to demean men while glorifying women. Look at the "body positivity" movement for example- women are told "love your body," and "if someone doesn't like your curves, that's their problem," "men are sexist if they won't date big girls." We even get such marvelous terms as BBW. Does this apply to men? Not at all. If you're overweight as a dude, you're a prime target for ridicule. We see this all the time. Women are glorified and labeled as "brave," for things like "raising their standards," "being comfortable with their bodies," "not needing a man," etc. Men are demonized as "shallow," "lazy," "losers," etc, for doing the exact same thing.

    As far as concern over men not spending money on women, there may a little of that out there in the media, but women already represent 70%+ of all consumer purchases/ decisions, so they already out spend men. I doubt anyone is particularly worried that men aren't forking over their cash to shower women with affections. In fact, articles like this actually have a tone of "women are out achieving men. Aren't women wonderful? Aren't men pathetic?"

    One could argue that the very state of our society today stems from a cross section/ nexus of intersecting agendas. The feminists obviously wanted to "liberate" women from the "shackles" of patriarchy. Freeing them from the biological imperative of being mothers and reassigning the meaning of their lives to almighty WORK. Because you know... it's so much better to be a wage slave than to have a husband and children. Heaven forbid children grow up in a stable, two parent household, but I digress... Corporate America wanted more labor and more consumers (it was obvious in post-war America that women were already driving much of consumerism as they clamored for newer, better appliances and luxury items to signal status and make their home lives much, much easier). Then you have the government, which saw the potential in doubling their tax base, even with some concessions in tax credits for children and those married, filing jointly.
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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    Men need to address skills deficits to meet healthier relationship expectations.
    Chad don't need to address nuthin'
    Chad and Tyrone do whatever they want and continue to score with these same women with their "high standards."

    Article is a non-starter...not worth the paper it's printed on, nor worth any man's time (5 minutes I'll never get back).

    Great comments here, though.
    As MGTOW, resistance to the collective is NOT futile.
    Don't let yourself be assimilated and become a mindless zombie supporting and submitting to any woman.
    They will ultimately destroy you.

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    I've said this on this forum and others. The loneliest time I've ever had in my life was when I was married.

    /Tired.

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfWmnSh!t View Post
    I've said this on this forum and others. The loneliest time I've ever had in my life was when I was married.

    /Tired.
    I 2nd that! Anytime I am lonely is when I am around other people.
    Stay away from women. They will only break your heart.

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfWmnSh!t View Post
    I've said this on this forum and others. The loneliest time I've ever had in my life was when I was married.

    /Tired.
    Didn't Robin Williams say something to the effect that "loneliness isn't being alone. Loneliness is being surrounded by people who make you feel alone."?

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Brad Pitt to Bill Gates apparently don't think so.
    As we know, being a high status man is no guarantee that a woman doesn't rake you over the coals in divorce. I remember hearing shock when the Bezos divorce happened. "How could she leave a billionaire?!" Easy, the divorce makes her a one as well. An independent one who doesn't have to have Jeffy hanging around anymore. As we like to say, she's not yours, it's just your turn

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    Quote Originally Posted by Toolband89 View Post
    As we know, being a high status man is no guarantee that a woman doesn't rake you over the coals in divorce. I remember hearing shock when the Bezos divorce happened. "How could she leave a billionaire?!" Easy, the divorce makes her a one as well. An independent one who doesn't have to have Jeffy hanging around anymore. As we like to say, she's not yours, it's just your turn
    Exactly. She didn't marry him for his money, she divorced him for it.

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky View Post
    Exactly. She didn't marry him for his money, she divorced him for it.
    This is why I find my sister hilarious. She's been a raging feminist since high school, barely dated. Finally, in her early 30s, she hooked a big fish- foreign, tall, good looking guy making BANK. She managed to rein in her misandry for about a year. Then bam, they had some EPIC fights, she became increasingly hostile for him and he dumped her. She's been adamantly anti-man since then. Now she's devoted herself to her career, got another $100k+ in student debt for another degree and will have to grind it out for the rest of her life, just like a man.

    Had she been able to play the game like most women do, the foreign top earner could have been her retirement plan. Marry him, then take him to the cleaners in a decade or so. Sure, maybe she still has to work a little, but it's a helluva lot easier to just take someone else's money than work for it yourself. Frankly, I don't fault women for hypergamy or divorce raping men. I do however, blame men for being dumb enough to let them. It's the classic, "don't hate the player, hate the game." In my sister's case, she's so brainwashed by feminism, she couldn't even play the game, haha.

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    These happier-being-single women are the same crying blimps all over YouTube who whine about not having a husband or a family.
    How sweet their tears taste. I love it lol!!

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    Re: Oh no! The rise of lonely, single men is upon us!

    Quote Originally Posted by Societysucksmyass View Post
    These happier-being-single women are the same crying blimps all over YouTube who whine about not having a husband or a family.
    How sweet their tears taste. I love it lol!!
    They can hate men all they want and blame us for not "meeting their standards." Honestly, I don't begrudge women their choice. If they want to WGTOW, then I wish them well. It's the same choice I made for myself. Just don't don't complain after making that choice. Biology is a b****, and every woman's body is telling them to have kids. Do they have to? Of course not, but then they shouldn't go about scorning and demonizing men while complaining that they feel unfulfilled because they chose other pursuits (usually far more shallow and selfish) over fulfilling a biological imperative.

    As a man, I also have a biological imperative, albeit one that's easily met through other means. I can fulfill that imperative without marriage and actually having kids.

    Like most of you, I don't particularly care that they slam men or complain, but I do care that they're influencing laws, policies and organizational culture to becoming increasingly anti-male (see the rise of DEI programs).


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