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    Re: Norah Vincent, author of 'Self Made Man' Dead at 53

    However, Norah's experiment about men was interesting. I think she's the only one that truly understand men, because she went through with it, as man. Yet the majority of women have fantasy about "understanding men as they are", is ridiculous.

    Women have NO CLUE WHAT MEN GO THROUGH DAILY.
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    Norah shouldn't have killed her self. I mean, what a complete waste of life! I would not commit a suicide! My life is worth more than money and in God's eyes I'm worth something.

    Very sad that she had to commit suicide. What for? Whatever reasons that's valid for her suicide?? I would not end my life like that.
    I agree. This is a big loss. I wish I could have had the chance to talk with her and find a way to get her the best help possible so that she would keep living. She may have had no idea what a great service she did for men. She made an honest effort to understand what we go through, and that's a million miles more than just about any other woman would have done. I would have been happy to have been friends with her, and I definitely would have expressed to her my appreciation for what she did.

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    Re: Norah Vincent, author of 'Self Made Man' Dead at 53

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    I agree. This is a big loss. I wish I could have had the chance to talk with her and find a way to get her the best help possible so that she would keep living. She may have had no idea what a great service she did for men. She made an honest effort to understand what we go through, and that's a million miles more than just about any other woman would have done. I would have been happy to have been friends with her, and I definitely would have expressed to her my appreciation for what she did.
    I have a similar wish, because she did men a service and did make an effort to understand what men go through. She's the only one out of million women that made efforts. I probably would have been positive to her, that her life is worth something in God's eyes.

    I hate it when someone wants to commit suicide. What's the reason? Those that fail at life, came on to be successful in life, mainly because they aren't giving up on themselves and want to be selfish for their own lives so they can achieve success no matter what happens.

    A quote came to mind,

    Thomas Jefferson:
    “If you want something you’ve never had, you must be willing to do something you’ve never done”.


    So that's what I'm doing now. Working on my goals. I'm not going to commit suicide because I got my feeling hurts or some baby shit that pussy can't handle. No. I'm not giving up on my dreams and goals.

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    Look, no disrespect to Norah, but she shouldn't have lost her life that way. She was giving up on herself. That's what I think. I think she may have trouble getting women, even as a woman. So she decided to lose life, because she can't get women?

    Holy shit. Even women can't get women! Talk about irony. Still, that's no way to lose your life that way. There's always a better way at something, than losing your precious life, that way.

    For me, it's my small goals, and my massive goals in the process right now. And I take joy from completing my goals! When someone lose their life by suicide, they lose my respect for them. Unless there's no other way around it.

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    Author of self made man kills herself

    Apparently the trauma of living as a man for nearly two years was too much for her. Props to her for being honest though.

    https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/wo...zing-difficult

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    Re: Author of self made man kills herself

    Well, 'ask not for whom the bell tolls' and all that, but her experiment was about 15 years ago. Did it cause a longer term instability that drove her to a realization wherein suicide was the only option?

    John Howard Griffin lived as a black man for less than three months; props to Norah Vincent for living as a dude for 18 months.
    A gun-toting, weed-smoking, gray-bearded redneck with a Masters - old and dangerous.

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    Re: Norah Vincent, author of 'Self Made Man' Dead at 53

    I merged two threads with same topic.
    The two most important days in your life are the day you were born and the day you find out why. - Mark Twain

    The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation.
    - Henry David Thoreau

    There are 10 types of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who don't.

    Suitable for bookmarking: www.fakehatecrimes.org and www.breitbart.com/tag/hate-crime-hoax

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    Re: Norah Vincent, author of 'Self Made Man' Dead at 53

    Women lived as a man for 2 years, couldn't lived with it and eventually roped.

    Nothing against noah but it goes to show that being a man and trying to date fucking soul crusing and pointless if you ain't chad. That why more and more men are walking away.

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    Re: Norah Vincent, author of 'Self Made Man' Dead at 53

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    Look, no disrespect to Norah, but she shouldn't have lost her life that way. She was giving up on herself. That's what I think. I think she may have trouble getting women, even as a woman. So she decided to lose life, because she can't get women?

    Holy shit. Even women can't get women! Talk about irony. Still, that's no way to lose your life that way. There's always a better way at something, than losing your precious life, that way.

    For me, it's my small goals, and my massive goals in the process right now. And I take joy from completing my goals! When someone lose their life by suicide, they lose my respect for them. Unless there's no other way around it.
    She must have felt trapped and like there's no other way out. Of course, there's no way we can know for sure everything that she was feeling, though I'm sure she had trauma from her experiment. However, we don't know what other trauma she may have experienced in life. She may have gotten to a point where she felt strongly that it was just more than she could bear, so she wanted out. I'm not saying she should have done it. I'm just trying to understand why she might have done it.

    It does make me wonder if it could have helped her just to be her friend and give a damn about how she was feeling. I for certain would have thanked her for her amazing undercover work that she did, and especially for giving a crap about what men go through. Most women don't give a flying fuck. And Nora herself said that most women have no earthly clue what men go through.

    She received some crap from hateful feminists for daring to think outside the box. That had to be a big blow because she must have thought of feminism as this noble movement that's helping women to get equality. I used to think that, and it was a huge shock to learn how rotten and hateful feminists are capable of being. I've seen Ku Klux Klan people spew hatred towards blacks and Mexicans, but that's what you expect from those bozos. But if it's a feminist spewing hate or a KKK person spewing it, I don't see any difference. But when Nora was just searching for the truth, and then being honest about what she found, it had to be a hard sucker punch to the gut to have feminists treat her like shit over it.

    I wish I could have been friends with Nora so that I might have been able to help her, and also just to give her appreciation. It makes me sad to think that she may not have felt appreciated after the courage she had to learn the truth and to help people. RIP. This is a huge loss.

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    Re: Norah Vincent, author of 'Self Made Man' Dead at 53

    I'm going to throw both some kudos and some criticism her way. First, she was willing to challenge her own beliefs. She thought that men had it better than she did, so she went out to objectively prove it. She didn't "Weight" her experiment to turn out how she wanted it to be; she went out and just let the cards fall the way that they would. When her assumptions proved wrong, she looked into it...good for her, I'm honestly impressed.

    Now, the criticism; when her experiment was done, she milked the findings for more attention. I remember seeing the clip back when it was originally aired and in the end, while she did highlight a little of the male experience, it was still all about the preparation she did for it, and the experience she had living it.

    So, while I have to point out that she did what she did for attention, I'm more than impressed that when her experience didn't match her expectation, she was honest about it.

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    Re: Norah Vincent, author of 'Self Made Man' Dead at 53

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Norah assumed straight women would want a man more in touch with himself (starting at youtube video time point 11:20). She thought the ideal man was "a woman in a man's body" but she learned "there are a lot of women out there who really want a manly man."

    Tell us about it, Norah. Woman say they want one thing but really want another.

    She's also off the mark to say we have a "desperate need for male intimacy" (at 13:50) but that is viewed through the mind of a woman with all that goes with a woman's mental make-up. She may have dressed as a man, but she still thought like a woman.

    From another article, a quote from her:

    “I expected men to be a little bit wolfish when they met each other. You know, I always think of men as being very competitive, territorial. And in fact, what I found was, meeting strange men… that the handshake of a strange man was incredibly welcoming. And it was as if I was joining in this camaraderie that felt very old.” —from a 2006 interview for NPR’s Talk of the Nation

    Interesting bit at the end there, but I wonder what she had expected a handshake to feel like.

    She died via assisted death at a clinic in Switzerland. I haven't found further details like if she had a debilitating disease, for instance.

    I appreciate her experiment to find out stuff for herself.
    Her experiment was flawed simply because it seems she set out to prove a pre-defined belief she held and found out different. I grew up during the short lived SNAG period (Sensitive New Age Guy) of the late 80's. We were told women wanted gentle sensitive men who could cry and bake souffles etc.

    It didn't last because women realized that making men feminine would also mean they would have to start killing spiders and changing tyres.

    https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/wo...zing-difficult

    This is as close as I have gotten to a reason she wanted assisted suicide. It seems she was simply depressed, whether that would happened anyway or was a result of her pro-longed experiment, we may never know.

    She had to admit herself to a hospital for feeling suicidal in 2008. While Norah was incredibly self-aware and reflective, it seems she never got over the mental difficulties and setbacks she faced from living as a man. In the summer of 2022, Norah finally succumbed to her pain and died at the age of 53 via assisted death in Switzerland.

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