Thread: Most work is respectable

I've worked my share of low-end jobs. Unfortunately, in the United States, we have a sick and twisted view of work, and it's all related to our bullshit dating and marriage system. Women here grow up taught to value men based on money and status, so they go after "high value" men like lawyers, doctors, and politicians. Anyone doing honest, hard work in the so-called "menial" professions is looked down on. I used to work in printing. It was a rough job getting businesses' fliers printed up just right, and one little mistake (even one not our fault) meant a do-over. We were paid like shit compared to other professions. Yet it was skilled work. It didn't take me long to notice how women looked down on my over my job, even though I was good looking and intelligent.

Other professions are seen as even worse. Garbage collection, janitorial, restaurant work, and others are lowly professions. But the thing is, that's all honest work. Only dishonest work such as heroine smuggling or scamming the elderly should be looked down on. Women look down on honest work because they're SICK. Our whole society is sick. And people in the high status positions of lawyer or politician often do some really sleazy crap, but they're admired because they make a lot of money and have a lot of power.

If you point out how greedy and sick-in-the-head so many are for going after men for money and status, you're called a misogynist. Sorry, but I WON'T respect greed. I'm glad I found MGTOW because I found that other men had similar experiences with women. What's worse, is they demand equality, but you'll have a woman who makes barely over minimum wage in a hair salon looking down on a truck driver who earns 60K per year. If you point out the blatant hypocrisy and greed somehow you're a misogynist.

Originally Posted by TigPlaze

I've worked my share of low-end jobs. Unfortunately, in the United States, we have a sick and twisted view of work, and it's all related to our bullshit dating and marriage system. Women here grow up taught to value men based on money and status, so they go after "high value" men like lawyers, doctors, and politicians. Anyone doing honest, hard work in the so-called "menial" professions is looked down on. I used to work in printing. It was a rough job getting businesses' fliers printed up just right, and one little mistake (even one not our fault) meant a do-over. We were paid like shit compared to other professions. Yet it was skilled work. It didn't take me long to notice how women looked down on my over my job, even though I was good looking and intelligent.

Other professions are seen as even worse. Garbage collection, janitorial, restaurant work, and others are lowly professions. But the thing is, that's all honest work. Only dishonest work such as heroine smuggling or scamming the elderly should be looked down on. Women look down on honest work because they're SICK. Our whole society is sick. And people in the high status positions of lawyer or politician often do some really sleazy crap, but they're admired because they make a lot of money and have a lot of power.

If you point out how greedy and sick-in-the-head so many are for going after men for money and status, you're called a misogynist. Sorry, but I WON'T respect greed. I'm glad I found MGTOW because I found that other men had similar experiences with women. What's worse, is they demand equality, but you'll have a woman who makes barely over minimum wage in a hair salon looking down on a truck driver who earns 60K per year. If you point out the blatant hypocrisy and greed somehow you're a misogynist.

I drove a forklift in a print shop that ran 6 reel fed continuous web with folders, cutters, and an endless steam of national fliers and coupons, some nights I had to hustle the entire 12 hr. shift when we were short a couple shipping workers, I used to slide the pallets freestyle into position by slamming the brakes, hitting reverse, then getting back to the press in time to pick up another! 1 truck short means another has to drive twice as fast just to keep up! The place was a sweat shop!

Originally Posted by mgtower

I drove a forklift in a print shop that ran 6 reel fed continuous web with folders, cutters, and an endless steam of national fliers and coupons, some nights I had to hustle the entire 12 hr. shift when we were short a couple shipping workers, I used to slide the pallets freestyle into position by slamming the brakes, hitting reverse, then getting back to the press in time to pick up another! I truck short means another has to drive twice as fast just to keep up! The place was a sweat shop!

So you know how tough it is. I worked in the side helping customers to design their flyers, business cards, etc. If they screwed up by giving you the wrong info, that was totally not our fault, but they wanted the job re-printed at our expense anyway.

Did you run across women being snotty to you about your supposedly lowly work?

OP- Once you truly stop GAF over what others think of you. Especially women.

All this magically clears up by itself.

Most of my life I downplayed what I did. Or what I had.
I love being the underdog in most social or business situations.

Avarice - that's why low-end jobs are frowned upon.
You really don't need that much to sustain a family.
Be it squalor or not, you still can raise children properly provided
that you have healthy family structure.

Remember when I shared my dad's corpo story?
His current job would be considered very high status (atlest in our local context).
He is good looking, masculine, hard working and isn't afraid of getting his hands dirty.

My mom has got it all - goth/party girl married just before the wall.
Her last three eggs were just about to die the day I was born.
She should be thankful but somehow she is still not completly satisfied.

You see, my dad needed just one little project/report to get a PhD.
He chose to spend the time with his family instead.
It is no wonder that avarice is considered a deadly sin.
It probably wouldn't be much of a reach to assume that many
women will die alone just because of gluttony.

My dad worked in a printing company between 1974 - 1994 and he says working in a factory sucks. I think one of the good things about his job, then, was he was able to form a bowling team that went on Wednesday night league with his former co-workers. The secretary even announced on the companies PA the day I was born.

Originally Posted by TigPlaze

So you know how tough it is. I worked in the side helping customers to design their flyers, business cards, etc. If they screwed up by giving you the wrong info, that was totally not our fault, but they wanted the job re-printed at our expense anyway.

Did you run across women being snotty to you about your supposedly lowly work?

There were no women in the press rooms or shipping, they worked in the photo print plate room and in the offices enjoying air conditioning! It was noisy as hell, especially when an ink pump occasionally ran dry and started it's million db. screeching! The noise was so pervasive and ambiently loud, the jelly in your eyes would start aching! I lasted about 5 months until the day they demanded I work into the next shift after punching out and refusing me the right to punch back in, that was the last straw, only slaves and fools work for nothing! I walked out and never returned.

On the eve of Independence Day in America, I content myself with the knowledge that one of my forefathers probably shot one of Spooky's forefathers.

I'm out. Peace.
- Owen, 07.03.2022

Originally Posted by mgtower

There were no women in the press rooms or shipping, they worked in the photo print plate room and in the offices enjoying air conditioning! It was noisy as hell, especially when an ink pump occasionally ran dry and started it's million db. screeching! The noise was so pervasive and ambiently loud, the jelly in your eyes would start aching! I lasted about 5 months until the day they demanded I work into the next shift after punching out and refusing me the right to punch back in, that was the last straw, only slaves and fools work for nothing! I walked out and never returned.

Wow, they were also in violation of the law to even ask you to work off the clock. That was crap. In fact, if that extra time worked put you over 40 hours, they would have to pay you time and a half, but I'm sure you knew that. That's rotten and shitty that they wanted you to work for free. Fuck that. I hope you reported them to OSHA.

Originally Posted by bazalgette

Avarice - that's why low-end jobs are frowned upon.
You really don't need that much to sustain a family.
Be it squalor or not, you still can raise children properly provided
that you have healthy family structure.

Remember when I shared my dad's corpo story?
His current job would be considered very high status (atlest in our local context).
He is good looking, masculine, hard working and isn't afraid of getting his hands dirty.

My mom has got it all - goth/party girl married just before the wall.
Her last three eggs were just about to die the day I was born.
She should be thankful but somehow she is still not completly satisfied.

You see, my dad needed just one little project/report to get a PhD.
He chose to spend the time with his family instead.
It is no wonder that avarice is considered a deadly sin.
It probably wouldn't be much of a reach to assume that many
women will die alone just because of gluttony.

Avarice indeed, but avarice for what exactly?

Money? Yeah, they like that; the more you earn the more they can spend on what they deem appropriate. Usually this means anything that will improve their social status like the latest fashion trend.

A man’s money and earning potential is important to them, but more important is his social standing.

She can’t boast about her man being a sewage worker even if he earns more than the desk jockey husband of her neighbour and this grates on her.

This is why women like the bad boys. It’s all about social standing.

Originally Posted by TigPlaze

Wow, they were also in violation of the law to even ask you to work off the clock. That was crap. In fact, if that extra time worked put you over 40 hours, they would have to pay you time and a half, but I'm sure you knew that. That's rotten and shitty that they wanted you to work for free. Fuck that. I hope you reported them to OSHA.

I didn't work a second after punching out, they wasted 5 minutes of my time with their bullshit ultimatum I told them to shove up their ass! Quitting isn't a failure, sometimes it's needed to move on to better days and more profitable living! At one time I had a shoebox full of money almost 70k, money has it's own distinct odor when you save up enough of it!

Right on.

A lot of it is just pride and other people (especially family) expecting more from you for their own stories and boasting. I was unemployed for a little while when I was young and my grandmother would tell people I was studying (I wasn't) because it sounded better for her.

Originally Posted by OwenWentFullMGTOW

Is it safe? Is it legal? Is it honest?

If the answer to all three questions is yes, then your work is respectable and you don't owe anyone else anything, least of all an explanation.

Yes. I take the view that all honest work has dignity.

A story that comes to mind:

When I was in high school, my younger brother by six years had a best friend who also was a neighbor, came to the house often, we all knew him and liked him. Flash forward a few years later, my family, including my brother, had moved out of state a few years before but as I already got on with the phone company, I stayed behind. One day I was sitting in the break room when who comes in to refill the Pepsi machine but my brother's former best friend, wearing the Pepsi uniform, hauling several cases of pop on a dolly.

We recognized each other of course and was happy to see each other, but as he filled the machine and I watched, at the end he turned to me and started to make statements about his job, clearly self-conscious if not embarrassed for his job while he sees I am working for some whoop-de-do outfit like the telephone company.

I wasn't having it. I don't recall exactly what I said but I found the right words, telling him all of our jobs are good, being sure to imply to him that my job was not the status that he thinks. That we are all working our way up, etc. I believe I left him in a better place and I certainly wasn't going to act like my job was some pinnacle of achievement. Oh, hell no. If they'd take me, they'd take anybody.

I was helping the feelings of our family friend and I knew right then and there that what I was telling him made me see it was my actual attitude, previously unspoken, and had better remain as my ongoing attitude, about the sanctity of work. And it has.

My dad worked a HARD job in a warehouse for 40 years. 10-14 hour shifts. He NEVER missed a day and NEVER took a sick day. My mom constantly nagged him and belittled his job. But he put food on the table and and a roof over our heads. Looking back now, I respect what he did more than ANY profession a person could have. He put his head down and grinded out a living. There were some days when it snowed that he would WALK 7 miles to work and back.

When you’re young you look for certain traits in your dad to think he’s tough…Hercules strength? Can he fight well? Can he fix anything? Was he a super athlete?

My dad was tougher than all that because he was up at 4am everyday and home at 7-8…worked a hard physical job until 65, stayed positive, made time for his kids…didn’t compare himself to anyone, Even when very major health problems have come his way like colon cancer and Parkinson’s — he has stayed the same MAN that he always was. Always steady, humble and willing to listen to someone else’s problems.

My dad is THE MAN.

Let me add — he never smoked or drank either…just one mentally tough SOB. He could have a temper though. Took me almost 35 years to realize how tough he really is.

Woman like status.

But you know what they like even more? You working and being their 'retirement plan.'

Women would rather be the well kept mistress of a rich man than the wife of a janitor.

Women HAVE to look down on 'regular guy' jobs, they have to send a message that there is something wrong with those jobs.

Why? Because a well paid professional, a pro-athlete, an elite actor, or even a drug dealer makes enough money that there is enough surplus to maintain her and her children in a comfortable lifestyle.

Tony Soprano's wife never got an attack of conscious about how here husband paid for her house, her car, her clothes, her daughter's college, etc., and decided to leave him and live in a modest apartment driving to her job as a real estate agent in a Kia.

There are many jobs where a man can earn enough for a good lifestyle for himself and entertain a girlfriend, but not support a wife.

Women want every single man convinced that not being able to do the latter is failure. They have to.

They want as many "financially attractive" potential mates to choose from.

Originally Posted by TigPlaze

Women look down on honest work because they're SICK. Our whole society is sick.

If you point out how greedy and sick-in-the-head so many are for going after men for money and status, you're called a misogynist. .

I disagree. It's called hypergamy, and it is part of female nature. Female nature was forged through out time by evolution. If females had not found high achieving men attractive humans would likely have died out a long time ago. The high status, high achieving man was better able to support them while they were baring children. Higher achieving, healthy men would/should have better genes for the offspring also. She can't do anything about her own genes, but she can choose who she mates with. Mating with the village idiot would be a major waste of her resources, kids are a major drain on women's resources, historically he would not be able to support them also. I'm talking pre +70 yrs ago.

Women don't have to show female nature, but the odds are high they will at some point.

Please don't take offence in my comment, I'm not calling anyone names. I'm only trying to use examples.

Some women will look at the potential a man has (younger) and will jump on for the ride. It seems more in the last few years they ride the CC and then wait at the finish line, when the man has shown he is a top achiever.

Hypergamy, Shit-Tests, and All Women Are Like That - YouTube

Originally Posted by Edwardhaskell

My dad worked a HARD job in a warehouse for 40 years. 10-14 hour shifts. He NEVER missed a day and NEVER took a sick day.................... There were some days when it snowed that he would WALK 7 miles to work and back..

Back in the old days that was respected and rewarded, today you just get all the hard work shoved in your direction while the lazy people get given easy jobs, seen this in my place just in the last week.

Skiving at Work (Empty Labor) (goingyourownway.com)

Originally Posted by RustyNuts

I disagree. It's called hypergamy, and it is part of female nature. Female nature was forged through out time by evolution. If females had not found high achieving men attractive humans would likely have died out a long time ago. The high status, high achieving man was better able to support them while they were baring children. Higher achieving, healthy men would/should have better genes for the offspring also. She can't do anything about her own genes, but she can choose who she mates with. Mating with the village idiot would be a major waste of her resources, kids are a major drain on women's resources, historically he would not be able to support them also. I'm talking pre +70 yrs ago.

Women don't have to show female nature, but the odds are high they will at some point.

Please don't take offence in my comment, I'm not calling anyone names. I'm only trying to use examples.

Some women will look at the potential a man has (younger) and will jump on for the ride. It seems more in the last few years they ride the CC and then wait at the finish line, when the man has shown he is a top achiever.

Hypergamy, Shit-Tests, and All Women Are Like That - YouTube

This part of the female mind is already outdated the day humans invented agriculture. There is no imminent mortal hazard associated with food.

One of the ironies of high paid white collar jobs is they are stressful and involve a lot of game playing. Doctors for example are terrible at managing their money and they spend a lot to maintain a certain image. At the end of it all they probably have less money than a blue collar guy working a much simpler job. Not to mention the money the blue collar guy saved on education.

I watch the guys I work with and they spend so much money just coming to work. Parking, fuel, lunches, coffee. Then they are doing Overtime which in turn means they are paying for parking, fuel, lunches, coffee. They would be better off just staying home! O

It's not what you make it's how you manage your money and how much you save.

I try not to spend on silly stuff as I want to minimize my time at work.