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    Re: MGTOW and NOFAP

    Genuine question, to nofap supporters (or more precisely less fap, however you want to put it).

    I have read a lot about it but almost all advantages are debated except time saving, which is generic for any addiction. I am not counting those stupid blue pill fantasy benefits related to women, I am focused only on the man. My problem with debated scientific studies in this specific area is same as with any other area. Say some studies say X causes cancer, some studies say it doesnt. How will you know which one is correct, especially if biology/medical research is not your profession ?

    Secondly, if indeed it has so many benefits, then why its called NoFAP and not NoSEX ? Is it just because its easier to get addicted to former, but usually harder (unless u r chad or sth) to get latter ?

    I reiterate, anything i can find about this topic, which is NOT debated and NOT blue pilled crap, is generic to all forms of addictions, whether its drugs, sugar, video games, etc.
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    MGTOW is about making no mistakes against gynocentrism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    Genuine question, to nofap supporters (or more precisely less fap, however you want to put it).

    I have read a lot about it but almost all advantages are debated except time saving, which is generic for any addiction. I am not counting those stupid blue pill fantasy benefits related to women, I am focused only on the man. My problem with debated scientific studies in this specific area is same as with any other area. Say some studies say X causes cancer, some studies say it doesnt. How will you know which one is correct, especially if biology/medical research is not your profession ?

    Secondly, if indeed it has so many benefits, then why its called NoFAP and not NoSEX ? Is it just because its easier to get addicted to former, but usually harder (unless u r chad or sth) to get latter ?

    I reiterate, anything i can find about this topic, which is NOT debated and NOT blue pilled crap, is generic to all forms of addictions, whether its drugs, sugar, video games, etc.
    Well I dont think there is any way to put this more subtly but basically the taste kf ghe pudding is in the eating. Its likely that most people who are invested in one position or the other would seek for evidence to support their already predetermined choice. So to me it essentially boils down to a question of what you desire out of life and then taking the required steps to square reality with our mentality.

    So to come to your first question, there seems to be lots of evidence as to the benefits of celibacy. I recommend this book ( bliss of the celibate by julian lee) which can be downloaded for free off any search engine. It is not a large book but it goes into details as to the why's being abstinent. Truth be told I dont think there are any easy answers in life, so one has to engage oneself. Basically, most of the evidence for or against celibacy usually is tied to anecdotal evidence and even where there seems to be some scientific rigour involved it is usually found to be just enough to push their perspective. So like I said this ix basically on you to decide who you are going to believe and even then by weighing the cost/benefits of said decision you might make a choice that would seem incomprehensible to most.

    On your second point I think you cracked it on your own . Cheers

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    Re: MGTOW and NOFAP

    Quote Originally Posted by African-Daoist View Post
    Well I dont think there is any way to put this more subtly but basically the taste kf ghe pudding is in the eating. Its likely that most people who are invested in one position or the other would seek for evidence to support their already predetermined choice. So to me it essentially boils down to a question of what you desire out of life and then taking the required steps to square reality with our mentality.

    So to come to your first question, there seems to be lots of evidence as to the benefits of celibacy. I recommend this book ( bliss of the celibate by julian lee) which can be downloaded for free off any search engine. It is not a large book but it goes into details as to the why's being abstinent. Truth be told I dont think there are any easy answers in life, so one has to engage oneself. Basically, most of the evidence for or against celibacy usually is tied to anecdotal evidence and even where there seems to be some scientific rigour involved it is usually found to be just enough to push their perspective. So like I said this ix basically on you to decide who you are going to believe and even then by weighing the cost/benefits of said decision you might make a choice that would seem incomprehensible to most.

    On your second point I think you cracked it on your own . Cheers
    I see, thanks for explaining your stance clearly. This is one of those things, where people fight over as if they are fighting a holy war and as if they themselves are scientists. I dont like to take positions in a fight where I suspect both sides making arguments out of thin air. So as per your explanation, I think my stance is same. It has all the problems of an addiction (sucking out all the time out of other things in life) plus some potential additional unknown risks (who knows).
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    MGTOW is about making no mistakes against gynocentrism.

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    Re: MGTOW and NOFAP

    A few critiques about the guy in the video in general.

    1. He already pedestalizes (I'm making that a word) the pussy within the first 2 minutes of the video.
    2. He believes NoFap is the goal to greatness
    3. He praises that NoFap is a high way to find the "unicorn" of women when No Fap should be best used to keep you productive on your own merit.

    Dude is taking No Fap too seriously, I've read the comments on the younger men on the video, acting real distraught when they relapse. Dude, masturbation is a normal habit to have, as long as it's not overdone to the point of exhaustion but there's nothing to be mad about. You think these chicks are sweating about masturbating to much or even doing challenges like that they don't give a fuck and no normal man should. Hell to me No Fap technically works when you already have a woman to stroke you up so you won't have to do it yourself. No Fap shouldn't be this high ground of being the greater man you can be, if you have the drive to be great you should already be doing it without hiding it in the guise of No Fap. We're all human and we all have our needs, what's a brief moment of self-pleasure as long as it doesn't consume your life?

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    Re: MGTOW and NOFAP

    Stop masturbating and let your balls turn blue! Then you'll attract Stacey the cheerleader - and fuck her like a porn star six times a day!!
    LOLOLOLOL.
    Let us all know how that works out for you...
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    Re: MGTOW and NOFAP

    No real science behind this, but the avenue I'm exploring is akin to fighting an addiction. In my view, we were all saddled with biologically imposed addictions. Kind of like a crack baby. It wasn't our fault, and we had no part of it. That being said, the only way to fight it is to never touch crack again. Yes, pun intended.

    My operating premise is that masturbation is akin to feeding this addiction, which in turn only makes it stronger. NOFAP is the equivilant of going cold turkey. Even as I have aged, I can not seem to break the hold of this addiction, even knowing what I know about the nature of our reality.

    Are blue balls like withdrawal symptoms? Will they go away once the addiction is broken?

    This is the avenue I'm exploring. I'm making no statements here, other that stating my current working theory.

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    Re: MGTOW and NOFAP

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    No real science behind this, but the avenue I'm exploring is akin to fighting an addiction. In my view, we were all saddled with biologically imposed addictions. Kind of like a crack baby. It wasn't our fault, and we had no part of it. That being said, the only way to fight it is to never touch crack again. Yes, pun intended.

    My operating premise is that masturbation is akin to feeding this addiction, which in turn only makes it stronger. NOFAP is the equivilant of going cold turkey. Even as I have aged, I can not seem to break the hold of this addiction, even knowing what I know about the nature of our reality.

    Are blue balls like withdrawal symptoms? Will they go away once the addiction is broken?

    This is the avenue I'm exploring. I'm making no statements here, other that stating my current working theory.
    I'd like to know why you consider it seriously an addiction unless someone goes way over the top (several times a day maybe ?).

    If its done within reasonable limits, how is this different from taking a break to drink tea or walk outside or play a little video game in between the work ? I define addiction as something which :

    1. Takes a large chunk of time, and keeps giving diminishing returns as you continue (some drugs).
    2. Damage to body/mind/finances etc.

    To me, masturbation exhibits none of those features. And after doing it, its much easier to focus on work (my work requires extreme mental concentration), so its increased productivity. Not very different from coffee or tea. Too much masturbation will be like drinking too much tea or coffee, which is no doubt, problematic.
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    MGTOW is about making no mistakes against gynocentrism.

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    Re: MGTOW and NOFAP

    The addiction is to women, not to masturbation. I'd prefer it I could achieve a state where no woman ever caught my eye again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    The addiction is to women, not to masturbation. I'd prefer it I could achieve a state where no woman ever caught my eye again.
    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    No real science behind this, but the avenue I'm exploring is akin to fighting an addiction. In my view, we were all saddled with biologically imposed addictions. Kind of like a crack baby. It wasn't our fault, and we had no part of it. That being said, the only way to fight it is to never touch crack again. Yes, pun intended.

    My operating premise is that masturbation is akin to feeding this addiction, which in turn only makes it stronger. NOFAP is the equivilant of going cold turkey. Even as I have aged, I can not seem to break the hold of this addiction, even knowing what I know about the nature of our reality.


    There is a saying from yogananda I find quite helpful whenever I feel the stirrings of sexual desire and it says," always fed never satisfied, never fed always satisfied". It sort of encapsulates the point you stated above. You do not quench a fire by adding more fuel to it, which is essentially what masturbation is.
    Are blue balls like withdrawal symptoms? Will they go away once the addiction is broken?

    This is the avenue I'm exploring. I'm making no statements here, other that stating my current working theory.
    In the end I suppose nothing good comes easy.

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    Re: MGTOW and NOFAP

    Quote Originally Posted by African-Daoist View Post
    In the end I suppose nothing good comes easy.
    Well, a mgtow monk life seems quite easy to me, when I compare this with blue pill simps all over the place trying so hard !
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    MGTOW is about making no mistakes against gynocentrism.

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    Re: MGTOW and NOFAP

    I'm all for voluntary celibacy, but I don't think stopping masturbation is a good idea UNLESS it's to (a) stop an addiction aka destructive compulsive behavior in it's tracks or (b) help a man achieve a higher level of spirituality or awareness. Abstinence has always been recommended for fighters, especially as the night of the fight approached - there is no secret that after orgasm a man usually just wants to sleep. He's given out more energy than the energy that went into have the orgasm - I believe this is "male energy"... That's my belief anyways.

    I just rub one out a few times a month and get on with life. That's all it takes for me to live a life without constantly pining for a woman's company, and it's simple and free. In fact, these days when I think about romance, or holding hands, or a lip-lock or foreplay or sex, I remember these things visually in my mind but I feel largely disconnected from them. Now, these things seem very alien to me.

    And I think I like it like that.
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    Re: MGTOW and NOFAP

    Here is another one...I laughed because of the girly head band. He says pmo gives you an incorrect perspective.....

    Apparently NOFAP increases attraction! woman will want you! In the mean time the guy that made this video looks like a girl....

    I know this sounds like something a gym douche might say...but eat well, lift or strength train, enhance and promote stillness of the mind through meditation and Mushin....and everything else in moderation. It seems they have overblown (no pun) the NPFAP stuff and made it into something bigger. Again, their focus is wrong.....impressing, acquiring, or attracting females.

    Same obsession...different angle.

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    I haven't had time to watch much of this one yet though. I will do later.

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    Re: MGTOW and NOFAP

    No fap seems like a pre-requisite course before doing PUA 101. It's founded in pussy worship and a focus on getting laid.

    The worst thing you can do as a beta male is worship pussy. You will spend more time and money in the friend zone than all of your peers, guaranteed.
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    Re: MGTOW and NOFAP

    JP doesn't interest me anymore.
    He wrote a few books and made some money with the help of undercover feminists who want to return to a traditional setting. Well done I say, but the damage he is doing to young men is unbelievable.

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    The worst thing you can do as a beta male is worship pussy. You will spend more time and money in the friend zone than all of your peers, guaranteed.
    Most NoFappers I encounter always congratulate themselves on how 'attractive' they have become since they stopped masturbating. Even if it were true, the focus is Cleary on the female object desired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    No real science behind this, but the avenue I'm exploring is akin to fighting an addiction. In my view, we were all saddled with biologically imposed addictions. Kind of like a crack baby. It wasn't our fault, and we had no part of it. That being said, the only way to fight it is to never touch crack again. Yes, pun intended.

    My operating premise is that masturbation is akin to feeding this addiction, which in turn only makes it stronger. NOFAP is the equivilant of going cold turkey. Even as I have aged, I can not seem to break the hold of this addiction, even knowing what I know about the nature of our reality.

    Are blue balls like withdrawal symptoms? Will they go away once the addiction is broken?

    This is the avenue I'm exploring. I'm making no statements here, other that stating my current working theory.

    A calm, still unburdened mind allows a gap in thought where wisdom and non reactivity can flourish. This is where I believe our power lies. Think about how much of the world suffers from compulsive thought....a stream of unending bullshit that repeats, narrates and reports all day...never stopping. Now with the compulsive thought comes compulsive action and reaction.

    If you find a way to experience the state of No Mind / Mushin...then you will have the gap in thought and stillness to allow self control. The only problem is that it is very difficult to teach others once you've discovered it yourself. Sign posts are all that can be presented.
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    Re: MGTOW and NOFAP

    There is a reason high quality porn is completely free today. The powers that be want us sexually addicted. If all you are doing is rubbing one out once a week, then there is no issue.
    Look mate, no one this forum is saying masturbation 5 times a day is a good thing.

    But your summation of some ''powers to be conspiracy'' is totally baseless. If I engaged more in masturbation from a young age, I would not have chased those fucking cunts and spent thousands of pounds (UK money) trying to convince them of how attractive I am. I could have spent the money on my own self and my own improvement.

    In fact many radfems wanna team up with tradcons to ban pornography! Surprise Surprise!! Does your study mention this?
    Yup! Apparently women are being 'objectified' in pornography even though it is the highest paying job for them.

    Masturbation is totally healthy activity and it should be enjoyed and nothing to be frowned upon.
    You need to let steam off in order to be able to deal with distraction of the modern world!

    If NoFap is something you are interested in then by all means, but it seems to me you are trying to shove a tradcon narrative down our throats and I really do not like it.

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    Re: MGTOW and NOFAP

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    In fact many radfems wanna team up with tradcons to ban pornography!
    This. We have a tradcon government in India, and porn is banned... sort of. You can circumvent them easily by plethora of techniques, but it is what it is. Porn is officially and legally banned. And more and more laws are being discussed all the time to increase the severity of ban and/or punishments.
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    Re: MGTOW and NOFAP

    They sound like they have all of the confidence of a guy who is about to be eaten by a shark but can save himself if he only acts TRULY BELIEVES he is confidence. It doesn't matter too much how confident ones feels - WHEN IT COMES TO WOMEN. Women sense how confident you feel, and they're quite good at weeding out posers. It's a fucking *smell* for gods sakes.

    I suppose it might work. In war time, many a man "mustered" courage because his life depended on it. (Or his training kicked in, we're not sure.) Many mustered courage only to be sawed down by machine gun fire too.

    I still think anything done in the name of pussy worship is fundamentally blue-pill and we all know how playing the blue pill game works if you're not a natural/social alpha.

    It's all P4P in a sense. Just get it over with. Pay for sex with a woman and realize that *ULTIMATELY* her worth - her price - is a few hundred an hour. And most of us, if we're honest, only want those specific hours of her time. Not her whole life. Not her whole week. Not her whole social drama circle and definitely not her innate, eternal pout-fest because he's an innately unhappy creature.

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    Re: MGTOW and NOFAP

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Look mate, no one this forum is saying masturbation 5 times a day is a good thing.

    But your summation of some ''powers to be conspiracy'' is totally baseless. If I engaged more in masturbation from a young age, I would not have chased those fucking cunts and spent thousands of pounds (UK money) trying to convince them of how attractive I am. I could have spent the money on my own self and my own improvement.

    In fact many radfems wanna team up with tradcons to ban pornography! Surprise Surprise!! Does your study mention this?
    Yup! Apparently women are being 'objectified' in pornography even though it is the highest paying job for them.

    Masturbation is totally healthy activity and it should be enjoyed and nothing to be frowned upon.
    You need to let steam off in order to be able to deal with distraction of the modern world!

    If NoFap is something you are interested in then by all means, but it seems to me you are trying to shove a tradcon narrative down our throats and I really do not like it.
    My friend, you are putting way to many words in my mouth. I use the conspiracy language to generalize what ever the force is that drives a society based on consumerism. I don't think their is some smokey back room with a bunch of dudes in 3 piece suites plotting the destruction of the world.

    I don't want porn banned at all. I'm not talking about any sort of collective action either. I'm talking about making wise personal choices and I argue to persuade, not to enforce.

    To clarify what I actually believe:

    There is no greater tool than porn to put women into perspective. It gives men exactly the view of women that the feminists hate and is therefore very useful with regard to taking the pussy off the pedestal.

    PMO has an addictive quality too it, as it hits the same dopamine receptors as drugs. Young dudes should be careful least they develop a compulsion.

    "The powers that be" are simply any person or group that benefits off of compulsive spending, be it on porn, food, or any other form of over indulgence.

    Free will is everything. None of these vices should be banned by any government. That being said, the individual should choose wisely.

    Check out the OP again. I posted a video of a nofap guy who clearly has the pussy on the pedestal with the intent on illustrating how off base he is. How on earth do you get that I'm pushing tradcon anything with that?


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